Talk:Cold wave (music)

Sounds

"Cold wave" was also used in the British music press (e.g. this cover of Sounds magazine circa 1977) in the late 1970s, generally in the same context as in the article - post-and-concordant-with New Wave, pre-New Romantic - although as far as I know it never caught on to the same degree as the aforementioned. -Ashley Pomeroy (talk) 11:55, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

The cover has sadly been deleted - it was a black and white shot of Ralf and Florian from Kraftwerk, wearing sweaters and slacks, with a caption along the lines of "a cold wave is coming" or "Kraftwerk's cold wave" or something similar. -Ashley Pomeroy (talk) 16:18, 26 March 2010 (UTC)

In fact there's a copy at the top here, Sounds Magazine, November '77, "NEW MUSICK - The Cold Wave". The article is by Jon Savage and there's a transcription on his website here. Doesn't actually use the term in the text though. -Ashley Pomeroy (talk) 17:24, 26 March 2010 (UTC)

Oh, for the love of God, that site has been deleted too. Luckily there's a copy here in Imageshack. -Ashley Pomeroy (talk) 21:52, 26 May 2010 (UTC)

Why no list of bands? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.145.189.120 (talk) 14:37, 9 May 2010 (UTC)

Maybe a distinct article for the Americain Coldwave could be great ? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.85.224.151 (talk) 16:10, 14 November 2011 (UTC)

Ilovetopaint's editorial choices: they erased sources by experts who do have an authority and bandsnames

First, Ilovetopaint had reverted strong sources such as The Village Voice, music historian Mick Mercer who is cited by Simon Reynolds in Rip it up and start again, plus French Cold Wave groups such as KaS Product: here are the edit differences [1]. Then, they included poor sources from treblezine which is a fanzine, and put this in the lead which is wp:undue.[2]. Woovee (talk) 18:40, 5 February 2019 (UTC)

• 1) The only information I removed was a random, unexplained namedrop to the band Kas Product, shoehorned from a French paper that says nothing about cold wave other than to say that the band were part of the movement -- along with a host of other acts -- please find a source that elucidates Kas Product's importance to the genre
  2) Please explain how or why the info you want removed is offensive or inaccurate. All the sources say, basically, is that "cold wave" is a meaningless term for what's otherwise called "goth-rock", "minimal synth", "dark wave", etc. And that's 100% true. Trying to distinguish "cold wave" from "minimal wave" is like trying to distinguish "techno-pop" from "synth-pop".
  3) Treblezine is not a "fanzine" any more than Pitchfork or Gorilla vs Bear, if you think there is an issue with sourcing to Treblezine then bring it up on Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Noticeboard
  4) I don't recall whatever I've disputed from Mick Mercer --Ilovetopaint (talk) 02:23, 7 February 2019 (UTC)

There's always arbitrary decisions from Ilovetopaint and ignorance:

1) They revert music historian Mick Mercer as a source for KaS Product: -->[3] Revision as of 13:53, 14 January 2018 by Ilovetopaint.

wp:bad faith ?

2) Libération is a very strong source. Ilovetopaint reverted it. [4]

3) Treblezine and Crack are poor sources from writers who don't have any authority for this kind of music. --> Mick Mercer is an authority for dark music.

4) "if you think there is an issue with sourcing to Libération then bring it up on Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Noticeboard". -- Woovee (talk) 12:17, 7 February 2019 (UTC)

Uh, I don't think you understood any part of my response. Verifiability does not guarantee inclusion. What are the reasons why this content should be removed/kept? Ilovetopaint (talk) 19:48, 7 February 2019 (UTC)

Ilovetopaint. There's a problem of wrong wp:synthesis, wp:neutrality and wp:original research with your contributions as other users have already told you @ your talk recently.

Here, you put too much weight on the Vice source: have you actually read it carefully? of course you did and this is why your way of editing is problematic.

Vice source: 1) it is written "Blogvice" at the top of the article which means, it is published under the blog section of this website: a blog is not a wp:RS unless it is written by a professional journalist.

What about the content of this blog vice source ? this is an interview of a DJ who makes "parties in New York (now happening at Home Sweet Home, 131 Chrystie @ Delancey, on Wednesday nights". What an authority and an expert in music. You see, you first erased the music historian Mick Mercer sources (I am still waiting for the reason why you erased it) and you included a 2007 chat with a DJ in a nightclub as the ultimate source who was probably not even around at the time in the early 1980s.

The DJ said; these bands "did not sing in English", (really all the bands ?), you take this for granted, that's the quote you selected to include on wiki, whereas this DJ obviously advances completely inaccurate facts.

Marquis de Sade recorded all their albums in English; do you know? KaS Product too.

You reply above, is Verifiability does not guarantee inclusion: indeed, this is what you should think about each time you make an edit. Woovee (talk) 11:24, 12 February 2019 (UTC)

Congratulations, you've finally brought up one actual point of dispute. But you still haven't explained why Kas Product is a meaningful example or why anyone should think that "minimal wave" is different from "cold wave". And for all your repeated claims of SYNTH, you're still adding back in the French paper that says nothing about cold wave. The reason I removed the Mick Mercer sources is because he also says nothing meaningful about the bands you want listed. Ilovetopaint (talk) 08:19, 12 March 2019 (UTC)

August 2019

104.10.155.76, your edits are wp:OR. Could you explain your contributions[5] ? Two users Woovee and Life of Tau told you it was wp:disruptive edits. Woovee (talk) 00:04, 10 August 2019 (UTC)