Talk:Monarchy of the United Kingdom

Semi-protected edit request on 8 September 2022

Change the monarch's photo from that of Elizabeth II to Charles 82.131.34.24 (talk) 17:51, 8 September 2022 (UTC)

 Already done Interesting Geek (talk) 18:02, 8 September 2022 (UTC)

Charles III

Although Charles automatically became King at the moment of Elizabeth II's death, he has not yet announced the name he will use under his reign. There has been discussion about the possibility of going by George VII. It's premature to use the name Charles III right now. 47.54.93.176 (talk) 17:58, 8 September 2022 (UTC)

The Prime Minister just confirmed that he will use the name Charles III. 61.238.153.157 (talk) 18:13, 8 September 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 8 September 2022 (2)

I would like to edit this article because the Queen of England has just died. I would like to add that she died on September, 8, 2022 Walkadee4690 (talk) 18:04, 8 September 2022 (UTC)

Already added. DrKay (talk) 18:33, 8 September 2022 (UTC)

Name

He’s going by King Charles III 84.66.39.249 (talk) 18:18, 8 September 2022 (UTC)

Alfred was not King of England

Alfred only ever controlled parts of southern England. The consensus opinion is that he assumed the title "King of the Angles and Saxons" or "King of the Anglo-Saxons". It was Æthelstan that assumed the title "King of the English" when he conquered Northumbria in 927. The first paragraph of the history section needs to be changed to reflect this. The view that Alfred was the first King of England is mostly an old one. Faren29 (talk) 13:55, 5 October 2022 (UTC)

When changing information on wikipedia, you need to provide a citation or change the citation. This has been explained to you on your talk page several times. DrKay (talk) 16:40, 5 October 2022 (UTC)

According to the cited source (Cannon & Giffiths, page 31) Alfred was indeed identified as "king of the English" on charters and coins. Ltwin (talk) 23:18, 5 October 2022 (UTC)

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Semi-protected edit request on 28 October 2022

Change "Soon afterwards, further disagreements plunged England into a civil war known as the First Barons' War. The war came to an abrupt end after John died in 1216, leaving the Crown to his nine-year-old son Henry III" to " Soon afterwards, further disagreements plunged England into a civil war known as the First Barons' War. The war came to an abrupt end after John died in 1216 following the invasion of Louis VIII of France, leaving the Crown to his nine-year-old son Henry III" 93.3.129.10 (talk) 09:22, 28 October 2022 (UTC)

That results in a dangling modifier. Why is the detail important? 67.180.143.89 (talk) 01:09, 7 November 2022 (UTC)

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Map of the Norman conquests

I notice that there is a map on this page showing the Norman conquests as of the 12th century. I made an achronological map of the Norman conquests that shows them in more detail and includes the Principality of Tarragona (missing on the map on this page). I have already added it to the Wikipedia article about the Normans. I think you should consider replacing the map on this page with my map from the Normans page. Here is a link to my map. https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Norman_Conquests_copy_(1).jpg Martianman64 (talk) 01:46, 13 February 2023 (UTC)

Counsellors of state

• "During a temporary physical infirmity or an absence from the kingdom, the sovereign may temporarily delegate some of his or her functions to counsellors of state, the monarch's spouse and the first four adults in the line of succession."
• Recommend replacing the second comma (after "of state") with a colon. As it is now, it appears that the spouse and first four adults are in addition to the counsellors, rather than in apposition.

104.153.40.58 (talk) 21:54, 19 March 2023 (UTC)

Changed to 'chosen from the monarch's...' for clarity. DrKay (talk) 22:11, 19 March 2023 (UTC)

Monarch gets security reports before PM?

I have removed "(the Sovereign receives certain foreign intelligence reports before the prime minister does)". It looks very dubious. The sovereign might get some reports at the same time as the PM, but it does not seem credible that, ever since the office of PM has existed, delivery of a security report to the PM would be delayed just to give priority to the monarch. The source is American and itself gives no source. Errantios (talk) 04:14, 27 March 2023 (UTC)

Constitutionally speaking, the sovereign is the source of all public authority in Britain. It's "His Majesty's Government" after all. Whenever a report is issued by a Government department or other public body, say the annual Whole of Government Accounts prepared by HM Treasury and audited by the National Audit Office, the sovereign receives it first and then the prime minister. The reason for this protocol is twofold: (1) it ensures the sovereign remains fully informed on matters of state so that he or she can exercise his consultative role in relation to the Prime Minister and Cabinet; and (2) it empowers the sovereign as a nonpartisan guardian of the constitution to prevent abuses of power by ministers of the Crown. So to answer your question, the King does receive foreign intelligence reports before the prime minister.

This state of affairs applies to all sort of official instruments, not just Government reports. For example, when an appointment is made under the authority of the Crown, the minister of the Crown responsible for the portfolio concerned submits a letter formally advising the sovereign to make the appointment. The appointment is never actually made by a minister because they lack the authority to do so. Only the sovereign, as the personal embodiment of the Crown - i.e., the state in all its respects (be it legislative, executive, or judicial) - can.

I would recommend restoring the removed source material. I hope to update this article with further background on the constitutional remit of the monarchy before the end of the year. Mcvayn (talk) 11:31, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

Restore the item if you like, provided you can find a more solid source and IMHO one that explains the logistics—does the monarch actually receive a huge load of "urgent" documents every morning? Errantios (talk) 12:05, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

I don't think the source is that clear to be honest. The distribution list probably lists the monarch at the top because it's ranked in precedence order, but that doesn't mean the prime minister doesn't see intelligence reports before the monarch. A modern democracy just wouldn't function like that. Celia Homeford (talk) 12:35, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

Yes, he actually does. (For example, the late Queen had a red box of papers to review and sign off on the morning before she sadly passed.) Vernon Bogdanor discussed it at length in his 1995 book The Monarchy and the Constitution. It's also discussed as part of a broader exploration of the royal prerogative in chapter 1 of The Veiled Sceptre (a book written by a team of Cambridge constitutional scholars on the reserve powers of the Crown).

Of course, the tenets of constitutional monarchy and responsible government require the sovereign to exercise executive power on the advice of ministers drawn from and accountable to Parliament. Thus, while the sovereign receives reports before the prime minister does, it's in the span of minutes - not hours or days. The prime minister is still the party ultimately in control, which is to be expected in a democracy like the UK. Mcvayn (talk) 02:31, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

Unless we are 100% sure of the exact procedure, I suggest that this content is superfluous and should be kept out of the article. Deb (talk) 08:03, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

The protocol is discussed in both of the aforementioned textbooks. I don't look at it as superfluous since it illustrates the role of the Crown within the day-to-day machinery of government. It's inclusion would be a teachable moment in civics for both British and non-British readers. Mcvayn (talk) 09:52, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

They don't actually say what the original sentence removed from the article said. And it all runs counter to the the law and what is said on the official websites, e.g.[1][2][3]. We need multiple reliable sources that state explicitly that the monarch receives intelligence reports before the prime minister. Celia Homeford (talk) 10:04, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

Exactly. Errantios (talk) 13:40, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

The thing is, the Intelligence Services Act 1994 only makes reference to annual reports concerning intelligence community operations and matters in connection therewith, not to the daily substantive intelligence prepared for the sovereign, the prime minister, and the relevant secretaries of state in the form of reportable digests. The conduct of domestic and foreign intelligence is considered part of the royal prerogative under British common law, as has been the case since the reign of Henry VIII. What the Intelligence Services Act 1994 does is codify certain practices into statute law. Nevertheless, the underlying machinery supporting the British intelligence community remains on common law footing.

I won't push this any further for the time being. But I will bring citations from the aforementioned textbooks to this talk page later in the year. Mcvayn (talk) 03:51, 22 September 2023 (UTC)

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Coat of Arms on this article

I just gave it a little change, no harm don't. But if it doesn't look good, than you guys can change it back. RicLightning (talk) 01:46, 15 May 2023 (UTC)

Sorry. I decided to reverse what I did. RicLightning (talk) 14:10, 15 May 2023 (UTC)

Link on info box

I have reverted the link on the info box to redirect to the page for the position of Monarch of the United Kingdom, as opposed to a list of monarchs, I believe there was some confusion amongst some editors, Queen Elizabeth IIs page was edited to link to the list of monarchs instead of the position of monarch post her demise in 2022, as Charles III is the current office holder it follows standards set on other pages for Monarchs such as King Felipe VI (King of Spains Page) as well as Elizabeth IIs page prior to her demise. I don't believe the link in the info box should be changed again and should remain linked to the wikipedia page of the Position of British Monarch not the Lists of former monarchs Knowledgework69 (talk) 16:41, 30 July 2023 (UTC)

apologies this was meant for Charles IIIs page Knowledgework69 (talk) 16:42, 30 July 2023 (UTC)

Issue resolved. Pipe-linking is required, as linked page re-directs to the List page & we use the Monarchy page as link for current monarchs' infoboxes. GoodDay (talk) 17:09, 30 July 2023 (UTC)

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