Talk:Russian annexation of Donetsk, Kherson, Luhansk and Zaporizhzhia oblasts
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 | On 8 October 2022, it was proposed that this article be moved from Annexation of southeastern Ukraine by the Russian Federation to Russian annexation of Donetsk, Kherson, Luhansk and Zaporizhzhia oblasts. The result of the discussion was moved. |
Failed to verify declarations of independent from Kherson and Zaporizhzhia
editThe article has a section on the Russian occupying administrations of Kherson and Zaporizhzhia declaring independence prior to being annexed, but none of the sources cited appear to assert than any such thing happened. All I was able to confirm was Russia's recognition of their independence, which debateably implies that they might have first declared such independence.
In fact I suspect that some form of declarations did occur as a formality, but unless someone can find some WP:RS to confirm it (I wasn't able to), we should probably remove those assertions from the article. GeoEvan (talk) 14:09, 12 March 2023 (UTC)
- You are right. https://www.bbc.com/russian/news-63084494 О какой-либо процедуре провозглашения независимости Запорожской и Херсонской областей не сообщалось. Manyareasexpert (talk) 19:10, 12 March 2023 (UTC)
Condemned by the UN? Excuse me, condemned by whom?
editPlease remove false claims, false references, and any other propaganda sources. I aim this petition in particular in regard to the current citation / reference, labeled / numbered as "4", which is talking about the UN, when in fact the document provided is dated 2014. Sorry for not logging-in, and thank you. 213.94.50.135 (talk) 16:46, 20 June 2023 (UTC)
- Here’s a correct link.[1] I’ll update the article shortly. —Michael Z. 18:24, 20 June 2023 (UTC)
Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 21 July 2023
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{{Merge into|Russian-occupied territories in Ukraine}} 216.49.130.19 (talk) 21:31, 21 July 2023 (UTC)
Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{Edit extended-protected}}template. Tollens (talk) 22:58, 21 July 2023 (UTC)
Issues with the infobox
editCurrently, the infobox says: "Formal annexation of an undefined area in and around Donetsk, Kherson, Luhansk, and Zaporizhzhia oblasts by the Russian Federation[1], including a part of Mykolaiv Oblast[2], illegal under international law[3] and condemned by the United Nations[4]"
The first two references are the Guardian and Reuters, which are reporting statements of fact. However, the problem arises with [3], which is just a link to the primary source of the UN Charter on un.org. Another problem arises with [4] where it says it is condemned by the United Nations. But the organization itself did not issue a condemnation. The reference provided is a vote that took place in the General Assembly, which was not unanimous. So instead, it should be rephrased with an exact number of countries that supported the resolution. I propose the following change:
"Formal annexation of an undefined area in and around Donetsk, Kherson, Luhansk, and Zaporizhzhia oblasts by the Russian Federation[1], including a part of Mykolaiv Oblast[2], declared illegal under international law and condemned by 143 members of the United Nations[4]" In other words, I propose [3], the link to the charter on un.org, be removed, and let the press.un.org be the reference for both the declaration of illegality and the condemnation, both of which were part of the UNGA resolution.
I'm going to make this change now. If anyone objects, please explain your objection here. Thanks JasonMacker (talk) 20:50, 2 May 2024 (UTC)
I've decided to word it as "...and 143 members of the United Nations condemned the annexation and declared it illegal under international law", as I felt that sounded better. Please let me know if any of you have concerns.--JasonMacker (talk) 20:57, 2 May 2024 (UTC)
“called [them] the enemy”
editNot “called [them] as the enemy” 82.36.70.81 (talk) 01:20, 19 May 2024 (UTC)
Done Rsk6400 (talk) 07:01, 19 May 2024 (UTC)
Undiscussed move
edit@GreatLeader1945: I reverted your move. While it's not strictly necessary to discuss a move before doing it, this page has already been moved in 2022, and the name "Ukraine" has been removed from the article title. Additionally, I think we should avoid making an overlong article title even longer, and we should avoid having "of" twice. Of course you are free to start a move discussion. Rsk6400 (talk) 15:12, 10 July 2024 (UTC)