User talk:Uli@wiki

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Vindskydd

Bemærk venligst at Lean-tos in Sweden = Vindskydd i Sverige.--Hjart (talk) 14:32, 27 October 2024 (UTC)

Hi Hjart, meaning what? I'm rather new to this wikimedia business and grateful for advice. Uli@wiki (talk) 14:39, 27 October 2024 (UTC)

It means that Category:Lean-tos in Sweden or subcategories is the correct category for i.e. File:Stora Hästevatten vindskydd.jpg. Hjart (talk) 18:47, 27 October 2024 (UTC)

Category:Shelters in Sweden is much broader category, which does not accurately describe vindskydder. Hjart (talk) 18:50, 27 October 2024 (UTC)

But aren't "Lean-tos in Bohuslän" automatically in the category Lean-tos in Sweden? I understood that there is a hierarchy and over-categorization should be avoided. Which actually also might hold for Shelters in Sweden. Uli@wiki (talk) 20:37, 27 October 2024 (UTC)

Category:Lean-tos in Bohuslän County is a subcategory of Category:Lean-tos in Sweden, which again is a subcategory of Category:Shelters in Sweden. This does not mean that media in one of these categories is automatically in the other. Please note that we generally try avoid overpopulating individual categories, since that tends to make media harder to find. Also "over-categorization" generally refers to the act of unnecessarily putting media in parent categories. Hjart (talk) 16:04, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

Hi Hjart, doesn't being in a subcategory mean that it is in the supercategory as well? If I want to avoid over-categorization, shouldn't I just assign "Lean-tos in Bohuslän County" (or the most local matching subcategory of that) and so that someone looking for lean-tos in Sweden or Västra Götaland County will find it? If that is not correct, then I don't understand the concept of category hierarchies used on Wikimedia. Uli@wiki (talk) 15:33, 29 October 2024 (UTC)

Galleries

Please note that galleries (such as Shelter at Abborrevattnet (Uddevalla municipality)) are generally not useful for merely duplicating categories (show the same images which are also in some category). Galleries which tries to make it easier to understand fairly complex things, such as i.e. Riberhus or Ribe Domkirke are useful. Hjart (talk) 18:01, 2 November 2024 (UTC)

I actually haven't done that yet for "Shelter at Abborrevattnet (Bredfjället nature reserve)" Uli@wiki (talk) 10:34, 3 November 2024 (UTC)

I don't understand this - when I start a gallery, the instructions ask to also create a category of the same name in wikimedia. The gallery template

This is a gallery page containing specially selected image and media files. They have been chosen as highlights of a particular topic, but do not represent the full range of files that are available on Commons. For a wider selection of files connected with Uli@wiki, see Category:Uli@wiki.

even creates this as an info in the gallery display. If there are currently no other pictures on wikimedia assigned to the category, then it is necessarily a replicate, that's inevitable. So why is that not ok now? Uli@wiki (talk) 10:32, 3 November 2024 (UTC)

The general recommendation is to not create galleries for minor things like you've done with Shelter at Abborrevattnet (Bredfjället nature reserve), but just create the similarly named category. It's generally way easier to add or remove things to a category than a galleri. Please see Commons:Galleries#When to create a gallery. Hjart (talk) 13:52, 3 November 2024 (UTC)

I do not know where the border between minor and big enough lies and it seems to vary. How "big" do things have to be? May I suggest to the Wikimedia pros that the help pages be rewritten to accommodate all the dos and don'ts in clear, readable and compact fashion - understandable for non-specialists - at the top of the page. Nobody wants to read many wiki-pages for wikimedia commons and wikidata to get started. In my OSM thread about how to link galleries to OSM items, the bigshots are now arguing that galleries are a really bad thing to begin with and should be forbidden. The number of restrictions and style conventions seems to be endless. As for me - I'm out. No more galleries or categories. Nonetheless, thank you for your help! Uli@wiki (talk) 14:39, 3 November 2024 (UTC)

People are in fact quite busy discussing how to do exactly thatː Commons talk:Galleries. Also in my experience galleries are in no way bad. They can in fact be quite useful. I have created quite a few galleries myself. You just have to know when and how to use them, and that requires quite some experience. As a rule of thumb, don't create galleries for things, which can easily be handled with a category, such as collecting the images in Shelter at Abborrevattnet (Bredfjället nature reserve). Hjart (talk) 14:58, 3 November 2024 (UTC)

One of the problems with categories is the visualization. I started this to provide images about shelters that one can link to from OSM and quickly check on an android phone without scrolling and clicking through - potentially - large collections in a category. Importantly, IMHO the category display is not very compact. Galleries can be made to give suitably informative pictures, look better and are more accessible (except for the ugly banner informing about the gallery page, but that could be helped). The other alternative, a category on wikidata is even worse. You may know [1]https://vindskyddskartan.se, the kind of display this provides for a shelter would be just the right thing. There are more sites like this using umaps. Unfortunately they do not contribute the data they collect to either OSM or wikidata - I now understand why. It's a pity that this information cannot be collected into commons and OSM with a reasonable amount of effort. Uli@wiki (talk) 17:45, 3 November 2024 (UTC)

OSMand 4.9 introduced the display of Wikimedia Commons Galleries recently. It doesn't seem to work that well yet but there appears to be a need. Uli@wiki (talk) 09:30, 9 November 2024 (UTC)