Commons:Deletion requests/Image:StracheyFamily.jpg
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The book Lytton Strachey, His Mind and Art was in fact published with a copyright notice, and searching www.copyright.gov/records/ reveals that the copyright was properly renewed. My understanding is that this should be sufficient for copyright (in the US) on all the contents, including those not created (but first published) by the author. I hope someone more knowledgeable can confirm or refute this. dave pape (talk) 17:29, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
Delete The only way the picture would be PD is if it had a previously running copyright period. There is no evidence this took place, meaning it would last the same period as the book. -Nard the Bard 17:52, 24 September 2008 (UTC)- Note: On the book it says "pictures courtesy of Frances Partridge", which means that the pictures belong to Frances' estate rather than to the publishers. The original owner of the picture (nevermind the photographer) was probably Sir Richard Strachey (died 1908), the picture then probably went to Lytton (died 1932) and then inherited by Ralph Partridge and his wife Frances after Lytton's death. Now, my question is, could the image be considered copyright free under PD-OLD since both of the original owners have been dead for over 75 years? --Yamanbaiia (talk) 15:18, 28 September 2008 (UTC)
- The identity of the photographer is an important question. If it's an anonymous photo, then, in the UK at least, it would qualify as {{PD-UK-unknown}}; but the Sanders book doesn't give enough information to claim that for certain, leaving it in the always debated grey area of "how old is old enough" to just assume PD (this is ~ 115 years old).
- A second concern is the copyright status in the U.S. If the photo was not published anywhere else before Sanders' book, then my thought is that it's still copyrighted in the U.S., but that's what I'm hoping for informed input on. Commons policy is that it needs to be PD in the U.S. as well as the UK. --dave pape (talk) 16:56, 29 September 2008 (UTC)
- Yes, yes and yes. The picture is definitely not PD in the US as there are no other books on the Strachey family prior to Sanders'. I am going to send an email to en:Paul Levy, he manages Lytton Strachey's estate and he might be willing to release them under Template:PD-heirs.--Yamanbaiia (talk) 18:15, 5 October 2008 (UTC)
- By the way, all of these images: Category:Scanned from "Lytton Strachey, His Mind and Art (1957)" are under the exact same (or almost) situation than Image:StracheyFamily.jpg, so they should have the same fate.--Yamanbaiia (talk) 20:49, 5 October 2008 (UTC)
- Via Paul Levy I got an email from The Society of Authors which acts as literary representative to the Strachey Trust saying that its hard to determine the owners of the pictures and that "The Strachey Trust has however no objection in principle to the images being stored in this way and, insofar as it has any authority in the matter, is happy to give its permission. The Trust however makes no claim and gives no assurance that it has such authority and it remains your responsibility to ensure that any permissions which may be required from third parties is obtained. " We cannot determine for sure that this pictures belong to the Strachey Trust, although they obviously do, so I'll leave it up to you guys.--Yamanbaiia (talk) 12:57, 18 October 2008 (UTC)
- I now think whether the books gained U.S. copyright by means of being in the book is immaterial, what matters is what the Trust says. Since the heirs disclaim any copyright on these images, I would think it's safe to mark them as PD-UK-unknown.
Keep. -Nard the Bard 13:13, 18 October 2008 (UTC)
Kept. Ecemaml talk to me/habla conmigo 21:36, 7 May 2009 (UTC)
