Commons:Deletion requests/Image:Flag of old Korea.jpg

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Image:Flag_of_old_Korea.jpg

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picture author is chosunilbo. uncopyrighted. unauthorized copy from chosunilbo newspaper.Leavepower 04:39, 16 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

KEEP -- Actually, these seem to rather clearly be late nineteenth century (or pre-1910) depictions of the flag, and Chosun Ilbo's only act of authorship would have been to string them together into a horizontal line so they fit within a rectangular image. Furthermore, your deletion rationale seems to be contradictory, since "uncopyrighted" would mean that there are no problems. Meanwhile, it would be helpful if you could use ordinary capitalization and punctuation conventions, and refrain from introducing bogus and non-existent templates into an image description page as part of the deletion nomination process. AnonMoos 06:59, 16 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
first of all, this flag is NOT made by korea. also, is NOT official korea flag. this flag made by Qing Dyanasty. not pemitited by korea. so, this flag can not represt to korea flag. also, above chinese character are not made by korea. and image copyright is unclear. if iran made US flag(at their disposition), is this can be represent to US flag? Leavepower 09:54, 16 August 2007 (UTC)sa[reply]
Comment: There are two issues here. The first is it a copyright violation? If not, image may be kept on Commons. Second: what is the image of? If it is some type of historical flag used by someone somewhere, it may be useful to have the image for historical reference, and so could be within scope of Commons. If the description of it is inaccurate, the description should be modified for accuracy, but this is not a reason for deletion. -- Infrogmation 16:22, 16 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
you have been some miss understand. 1. copyright is still unclear. according to chosunilbo copyright policy. newspaper prohibited their image and article use. [1] only permit "non-commerical, private use, limited use(not public)" must satisfy three purpose. 2. chosunilbo newspaper imge taken by some chinese museum. which is can not reprensent to korea's historic data. also, copyright is still unclear,too. is this image copyright from chosunilbo or chinese museum? 3. above chinese character did not permit by korea, ever. anyway, this image lack of public trusted, and hisotric fact. this image must remove category from 'korea flag". Levelhand 10:43, 17 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
There are two completely separate issues: 1) If the middle and right sections of the image depict what 19th-century Chinese thought was the Korean flag (rather than what Koreans thought was the Korean flag), then this needs to be addressed by revising the caption appropriately -- but NOT by including one of your garbled ranting tirades which convey very little real meaning to a native English speaker!
2) If Chosun Ilbo's manipulation of the image does not rise to the level of real "authorship" under U.S. copyright law, then Chosun Ilbo's image use policy is really rather irrelevant to whether the image can be hosted on Wikimedia Commons. (The same is true for many images labeled with the "PD-art" template, whose use on Wikimedia Commons is not in compliance with the terms on the sites they were taken from.) AnonMoos 11:38, 17 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
then, must mention it image page. "chinese thought korea flag". this is only chinese side image. lack of pubic trusted and historic fact. must remove category from korea flagLevelhand 11:47, 17 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Unfortunately, your idea of "removing category" seems to be to include an incomprehensible ungrammatical ranting tirade which conveys extremely little meaning to a native English speaker. AnonMoos 12:04, 17 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
oh? is this english grammar issue? you already said "There's no shame in not knowing English well"Levelhand 12:06, 17 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Yep, there's no shame in not knowing English well -- the problem comes when you think you know English a lot better than you do. AnonMoos 12:10, 17 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
anyway, i email to chosunilbo, some wikipedia user violation their copyright rule.Levelhand 11:48, 17 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Did you read what I said above?? If Chosun Ilbo's manipulation of the image does not rise to the level of real "authorship" under U.S. copyright law, then Chosun Ilbo's image use policy is really rather irrelevant to whether the image can be hosted on Wikimedia Commons. (The same is true for many images labeled with the "PD-art" template, whose use on Wikimedia Commons is not in compliance with the terms on the sites they were taken from.) AnonMoos 12:04, 17 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
U.S. copyright law? this image produced by chosunilbo in korea. also, according to US copyright law, ther is no article violation other country's copyrighted image.Levelhand 12:11, 17 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
So what? Wikimedia's servers are physically located in the United States, so that in most cases U.S. law governs. There are probably thousands of images tagged with the "PD-Art" template on this site which were taken from European websites, and which may have copyright restrictions under European law, but which are hosted here because they don't have copyright restrictions under U.S. law, due to the Bridgeman vs. Corel decision.
It would have been nice if you had learned a little bit more about the way things are done here before launching into your full blown deletion campaign... AnonMoos 23:40, 18 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Probably most people who left comments here know what year or era of this picture was taken. If this picture(s) was/were taken in the late 19th century, the time is more than 100 years ago, and the copyrights are presumed expired for both picture and book. Whether this is origin of South Korean flag or not doesn't matter. This is one of the important historical material and the evidence in certain era. --Eurodollers 05:31, 11 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Dear "Leavepower", as far as I can now understand your real objections (which I didn't at all before), it's that at least two out of the three depictions in this image show Chinese ideas of what the Korean flag was, rather than the actual Korean idea of what the Korean flag was. However, the remedy for this inaccuracy (if inaccuracy it is) is to correct the caption, not delete the image. The only contribution that Chosun Ilbo made was to crop the depictions so that they could be juxtaposed side-by-side in a single rectangular image file, and this wouldn't seem to establish much of a copyright claim... AnonMoos 18:51, 16 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Can we finally close out this deletion process? I added comments to the image description page to accommodate the one possibly valid complaint about the image that I was able to understand (but which is not a reason to delete the image). AnonMoos 06:10, 21 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Closed as kept. -- Infrogmation 20:01, 10 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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