Commons:Deletion requests/Files in Category:Song of Forest

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Files in Category:Song of Forest

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Unfortunately, Taiwanese Freedom of Panorama on artistic works is non-commercial only.

Storkk (talk) 09:59, 12 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Deleted: per nomination. .     Jim . . . . (Jameslwoodward) (talk to me) 16:18, 19 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Restored: as per [1]. Yann (talk) 16:23, 5 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Files in Category:Song of Forest

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See this Village Pump/Copyright discussion. Latest correspondences from Taiwan Intellectual Property Office (TIPO) reaffirmed that the non-commercial restriction for Taiwanese non-architecture extends to photographic reproductions like these. Since these photos show the artwork intentionally, then these cannot benefit from Taiwanese de minimis (in which the artwork must be incidental or at background). Correspondences in Chinese: [2] and [3]. For File:Song of the Forest, Chiayi City (Taiwan).jpg, the 3D work is the theme of the photo (hence its title in the first place).

JWilz12345 (Talk|Contrib's.) 16:00, 11 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  •  Keep. This is work of architecture. It is a building (it has walls and a roof) and thus covered by Taiwanese freedom of panorama. IronGargoyle (talk) 02:20, 18 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    @IronGargoyle: I don't think it is an architecture. Per the Wikidata item of this work, it is an installation artwork, and its artist, Wang Wen-Chih, is a visual artist and not an architect. Taiwan may treat this as a 3D art as opposed to the American concept of architecture. JWilz12345 (Talk|Contrib's.) 03:04, 18 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    First of all, Wikidata is not a good source. Second of all, it doesn't matter what the artist calls it or what his profession is. It matters that it fits the definitional characteristics of a building. I am not an architect, but I could build a building and it would be a building. It would be treated as such by freedom of panorama laws. IronGargoyle (talk) 03:10, 18 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    @IronGargoyle: I found two sources that do not indicate it as a building or architecture but a mere art installation (in effect sculpture): [4] (It is no wonder why the artist Wang Wen-Chih chose to preserve the main components of the Region – timber and railway sleepers in combination with rattan cane, copper and boulders – for all eternity in an impressive art installation: the popular attraction “the Song of the Forest”.), and [5] The installation "Song of the Forest" is located at the intersection of Wenhua Road and the TRA Main Line in Chiayi City. The tower symbolizes the sacred tree, the tunnel, and the track of Alishan Forest Railway to show the transition of light and the magnificence of Alishan. Its design is also inspired by the craftsmanship of aboriginal tribes....The sculptor of this installation, Wang Wen-Chih, was born in the Alishan area. He refers to his hometown and his skills to create this modern installation. It becomes apparemt that this is a mere installation that is not meant to be occupied or inhabited (notwithstanding the existence of roof and other things that can serve the function of a building), as it was meant to be visually appreciated than to be inhabited. JWilz12345 (Talk|Contrib's.) 03:22, 18 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    Buildings don't need to be occupied or inhabited to be buildings. A shed or detached garage is still a building even if no one lives in it. A building also doesn't have to be permanent. Many buildings are erected only temporarily. I don't disagree that it is an art installation, but that doesn't preclude it from being a building too. IronGargoyle (talk) 03:30, 18 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    @IronGargoyle: the work being an art installation means it can be classed under "artistic works" subject to non-commercial restrictions. Taiwanese courts may disagree to U.S. definition of architecture in cases like this, so we may need to err on the precautionary side. The recent sudden reversal on free use of public art in TIPO's reply to a Chinese-speaking Wikipedian suggests Taiwan is leaning to pro-artists than pro-users, thus we need to be cautious on FOP situation there. JWilz12345 (Talk|Contrib's.) 03:40, 18 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
 Neutral At the moment, due to zh:Wikipedia:互助客栈/其他#有关维基共享资源台湾全景自由问题一事. Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 04:09, 19 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
 Info see my input here, regarding TIPO's reaffirming of their restrictive stance on Taiwanese FOP. JWilz12345 (Talk|Contrib's.) 05:05, 19 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Deleted: per nomination and discussion. This structure is imho an artwork. A building has to have some use, according to https://www.britannica.com/technology/building . This is constructed only for its beauty it seems, it is not a temple or something like that. --Ellywa (talk) 13:15, 3 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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