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The author is given as Alexander Hauk [1] but I don't see his permission. Is "Build-by" an acceptable license tag for this image? Officer (talk) 15:09, 1 December 2011 (UTC)
- The uploader on German Wikipedia, http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benutzer:Promifotos.de, identifies as Alexander Hauk who is the owner of the photo. What more information is needed? The nominator has not properly explained what they think is deficient about the permission on German Wikipedia. Are we to believe that this account has been impersonating Alexander Hauk for the past 5 years? Someone can email Alexander Hauk at [email protected] (see http://rb-media.net/user/hma-online.de/kontakt.php) if you want to clarify anything. Fences and windows (talk) 20:19, 1 December 2011 (UTC)
- Note that another photo he uploaded on German Wikipedia has certification from OTRS: http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Datei:Arbeitszimmer_Stoiberaha.jpg. That'd not be possible without the author, Alexander Hauk, confirming approval. The translation of the template used on German Wikipedia, "BILD-BY" (bild=picture, by=attribution, same as in CC-BY), is "This file is protected by copyright. The copyright holder allows anyone (outside of and independently from Wikipedia), any use, as far as is legally possible (including use for any purpose, performance, redistribution, commercial use, processing) worldwide and unlimited time on the condition of reasonable mention of his authorship (such as in the caption)." That's an attribution license. Fences and windows (talk) 20:24, 1 December 2011 (UTC)
- Can an OTRS volunteer check to see whether ticket:2007042310007055 just applies to de:Datei:Arbeitszimmer Stoiberaha.jpg or whether it is broad enough to cover this photo as well? --Philosopher Let us reason together. 10:50, 2 December 2011 (UTC)
- I've requested assistance at the OTRS Noticeboard. --Philosopher Let us reason together. 11:09, 2 December 2011 (UTC)
- The point of that, to directly address Fences and windows' identity question, is that if the OTRS ticket verifies that de:Benutzer:Promifotos.de is
HawkHauk, we can make a note of it, slap the OTRS ticket on the image explaining the situation, and be good. If we don't have an OTRS verification of that, we'll need to get one. Note that even though everyone knows that en:User:XKCD is Randall Munroe, we still throw an OTRS tag on File:Webcomic xkcd - Wikipedian protester.png as a means of verifying that claim. --Philosopher Let us reason together. 11:01, 2 December 2011 (UTC)- The ticket in question only covers that one image and doesn't mention any relationship between "Alexander Hauk" and the user "Promifotos.de". So, it might well be that those two are identical, we just do not have any proof. What we DO have is a couple of additional tickets by the same user for more of his pictures, but that won't help you here, either, as all of them are template-text mails. --Guandalug
- I don't quite understand how OTRS can have approved several uploads but that there is still doubt that Hauk is that German Wikipedian. How on earth did the OTRS ticket give approval without confirming that the account had permission to upload under that license? I tried emailing the address I noted above but it bounced, so I have left a message on their user talk. I'm not desperate to keep the image, I just find it bemusing that Commons editors seem so unwilling to believe that user is who they say they are, despite other images they uploaded getting verified permission. Commons is even more of a court of law than Wikipedia... Fences and windows (talk) 22:59, 8 December 2011 (UTC)
- The OTRS ticket probably never said what you think it said - that the account has permission to upload images; rather, judging from Guandalug's reply, it probably just said that that particular image was okay, without reference to any account. It would be a trivial matter for the user to send an OTRS ticket verifying who he is - if he wants to. --Philosopher Let us reason together. 07:16, 9 December 2011 (UTC)
- Precisely, Philosopher. The Tickets (and there are multiple) all give the Okay for one specific image to be uploaded with a given license. There is no such thing as an uploader to rights owner - relation within the tickets I've checked - they all just say "I hold the rights and agree with the image XYZ to be published with this or that license". That's a normal OTRS ticket, and we frequently accept those. --Guandalug 20:31, 9 December 2011 (UTC)
- The OTRS ticket probably never said what you think it said - that the account has permission to upload images; rather, judging from Guandalug's reply, it probably just said that that particular image was okay, without reference to any account. It would be a trivial matter for the user to send an OTRS ticket verifying who he is - if he wants to. --Philosopher Let us reason together. 07:16, 9 December 2011 (UTC)
- I don't quite understand how OTRS can have approved several uploads but that there is still doubt that Hauk is that German Wikipedian. How on earth did the OTRS ticket give approval without confirming that the account had permission to upload under that license? I tried emailing the address I noted above but it bounced, so I have left a message on their user talk. I'm not desperate to keep the image, I just find it bemusing that Commons editors seem so unwilling to believe that user is who they say they are, despite other images they uploaded getting verified permission. Commons is even more of a court of law than Wikipedia... Fences and windows (talk) 22:59, 8 December 2011 (UTC)
- The ticket in question only covers that one image and doesn't mention any relationship between "Alexander Hauk" and the user "Promifotos.de". So, it might well be that those two are identical, we just do not have any proof. What we DO have is a couple of additional tickets by the same user for more of his pictures, but that won't help you here, either, as all of them are template-text mails. --Guandalug
- Can an OTRS volunteer check to see whether ticket:2007042310007055 just applies to de:Datei:Arbeitszimmer Stoiberaha.jpg or whether it is broad enough to cover this photo as well? --Philosopher Let us reason together. 10:50, 2 December 2011 (UTC)
- Note that another photo he uploaded on German Wikipedia has certification from OTRS: http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Datei:Arbeitszimmer_Stoiberaha.jpg. That'd not be possible without the author, Alexander Hauk, confirming approval. The translation of the template used on German Wikipedia, "BILD-BY" (bild=picture, by=attribution, same as in CC-BY), is "This file is protected by copyright. The copyright holder allows anyone (outside of and independently from Wikipedia), any use, as far as is legally possible (including use for any purpose, performance, redistribution, commercial use, processing) worldwide and unlimited time on the condition of reasonable mention of his authorship (such as in the caption)." That's an attribution license. Fences and windows (talk) 20:24, 1 December 2011 (UTC)
Kept: I see no reason to doubt German user Promifotos.de isn't Alexander Hauk (promifotos.de redirects to Alexander Hauk's website). Jastrow (Λέγετε) 12:27, 28 March 2012 (UTC)
