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editHi, please stop adding yourself as author and source of obvious not own work files. Jcb (talk) 22:16, 4 October 2016 (UTC)
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Hello. I didn't want to upload duplicates. But it seems like we will end up with it. Any suggestions? P.S. I do appreciate your work a lot. It even inspired me to do some drawings myself :) Sincerely, --Kwasura (talk) 23:21, 2 January 2019 (UTC)
- Cheers, sorry if I came across as a bit abrupt, text only communication can be a minefield... The references I have show an equilateral triangle as the WW2 patch and the isosceles as the post war one, but I haven't seen any photos of the post war one. Where did you get the reference for the 4th Armoured Brigade from? it seems a bit 'stylised' compared to the actual examples, eg the one in the post war section below it. Speaking of style, when I do a patch with a white background or border (or even that is just a white shape) I put a thin black line around it (40th Division (deception) as an example). Keep up the good work! Usedtoknowthat (talk) 23:38, 2 January 2019 (UTC)
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Hello and thank you for your contribution! I have noticed that some of your uploaded files do not correspond to this chart or to Howard Cole's book. Would you like to discuss the corrections? Sincerely, --Kwasura (talk) 17:26, 29 June 2019 (UTC)
- You shouldn't take Cole as holy writ! Both Cole and that chart are hand drawn versions of real patches, and therefore interpretations. Where-ever I can, I use real patches in my collection (450 and growing!) as a basis for tracing over in the svg package. Or I use photos of patches I don't have and are convinced are real and not copies (there's some one making horrible... let's be generous and call them "copies" of patches and selling them on e-bay, so you have to be careful). Sometimes however only a hand drawings exist, for example for the deception divisions that didn't have any one play acting them in theatre.
- In short there can be an apparent difference between the real patch and the drawing in Cole, so I always use the patch as a guide.Usedtoknowthat (talk) 19:58, 29 June 2019 (UTC)
- Should have said, I use Cole as the reference authority to say that the design is the one for a lot of the WW2 formations, its convenient and its based on a book first published by him just after the war.Usedtoknowthat (talk) 20:08, 29 June 2019 (UTC)
I understand, and do the same. But I am talking about different things now. For example, you attributed this badge to the 21st Armoured Brigade. But to my knowledge it is in fact the badge of the 16th Armoured Brigade. Could you tell me you source of information? Sincerely, --Kwasura (talk) 20:24, 29 June 2019 (UTC)
- OK. That is a genuine mistake by Cole. Cole calls it the 16th Armoured Brigade, which never had units assigned to it, and the patch he shows is an early 25th Tank Brigade patch according to Boulanger. This is also stated in a patches website.Usedtoknowthat (talk) 21:22, 29 June 2019 (UTC)
- Kwasura Regarding 10th Armoured division. The version you 'corrected' is no longer the patch described. It is not the one in my collection and is not the 'wide' variant. If you have another variant then load it as another variant and describe it as such. BTW what's with the fuzzy borders?Usedtoknowthat (talk)
- Hi! Sorry, I was away. Can you show me the 10th ArmDiv from your collection? --Kwasura (talk) 17:57, 5 February 2020 (UTC)
- I uploaded a jpeg of it to the 10th armoured div page you created, the original svg was 'traced' off it, amended for wear and tear. I republished your version as a new svg. Usedtoknowthat (talk) 16:51, 6 February 2020 (UTC)
- Hi! Sorry, I was away. Can you show me the 10th ArmDiv from your collection? --Kwasura (talk) 17:57, 5 February 2020 (UTC)
- Kwasura Regarding 10th Armoured division. The version you 'corrected' is no longer the patch described. It is not the one in my collection and is not the 'wide' variant. If you have another variant then load it as another variant and describe it as such. BTW what's with the fuzzy borders?Usedtoknowthat (talk)
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editHello, if you're still here on commons let me know so I have a few questions! Coldstreamer20 (talk) 19:41, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
- Still here! Pootling about until I can raise the energy to do something big...Usedtoknowthat (talk) 22:22, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
- I'm working on re-making or making badges for the armed forces of countries. Any help is welcome! Coldstreamer20 (talk) 03:22, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
- I can only talk about British, Empire and Commonwealth badges. Most of the below is from Cole.
- Burma command: I can't find any such named command, I can only think it was part of G.H.Q. India at the time, or eventually came under A.L.F.S.E.A., later 11th Army Group.
- China Command: Again, I can't find anything, it may be American.
- Eastern, Southern and Western Commands: I was at some point (now stretching into the future...) going to draw some vectors of these. Is that what you're wanting to do?
- Districts
- The pictured British districts/areas are ones I looked at and thought "some of these are a bit subtle for my svg skills". Have you looked at the background on the West Lancs. Area patch?(!) Also the 3rd AA Div, I thought was a bit fiddley.
- Indian districts: Those in the east were redesignated with numbers and considered to be lines of communication districts, being closer to the front line, so Madras is 105th L.o.C. and Bombay is the 107th (and 108th at the same time which then used the 107th patch when it disbanded(!!) I've not even seen a photo of the original 108th "Bombay Duck" patch). Rawalpindi has a patch, but I don't have it so I didn't draw it. The HQ for the United Provinces Area was based in Lucknow. The Nagpur District was renamed the Deccan district in 1946. I don't think the others had patches, not all districts were military districts, although Assam had a patch for the 202nd L.O.C., and like that, others may be a smaller parts of another district.
- The Others: I seen plenty of HQ Palestine and Transjordan patches, but only rarely the others, I don't even recall having seen any decent photos of them to copy off.
- Hope that was of use.
- Assuming you're better at svg's than me can you look at this and see if you can get the armour unit signs to appear properly (small blank rectangles), the oval is there just not showing up, already tried resetting it once.
- Usedtoknowthat (talk) 21:32, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
- When it comes to svgs you are much better then me, but thanks for the information sir! Coldstreamer20 (talk) 03:34, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
- No probs, reminded me to have a look in some directories, I have a southern command HQ patch ready to go as well as some D.L.I. pics and some other odds and sods, I need to 'extract digit'.Usedtoknowthat (talk) 18:54, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
- Hey there, just thought I'd provide an update for you. I took your advise, and re-created some badges to the best of my ability in photoshop recently. Your advise is very much welcome sir!
- File:3rd AA Division formation patch.png
- File:North Midland Area patch.png -> definitely needs to be improved, but I'm not able to personally
- File:Chemical Warfare Group RE patch.png
- File:Airfield Construction Groups RE patch.png
- File:Eastern Command (United Kingdom) patch.png
- File:Coast Artillery (UK) patch.png
- File:Northern Command (UK) badge.png
- Coldstreamer20 (talk) 03:27, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
- Apologies for the delay, I was relearning some astrophotography in preparation for the reoccurring nova later this year in Corona Borealis (just camera and zoom lens, no telescope), top tip... note down where you're shooting as you're shooting it, its a real pain to try and find the area later in a star atlas!
- the patches
- 3rd AA, not as rumpled as my photo, good job
- North Midlands, it might be my monitor, but the greens look... off, a bit dull, one of the reasons I left it as a photo was the two very similar shades of green, they stood out more in the photo as one (clothing) was stitching, the other the wool/felt. They both need brightening.
- R.E. Chemical warfare, should be vertical, green to the left, about 4:3 vertical:horizontal ratio (that kind of green for the North Midlands patch, in two shades). Also I have a 'thing' about dividing lines if they're not on the original, the black lines can go. (Cole, of course, could not help but put lines in his drawings.) On lines, I don't put a boundary line around a patch if there are strong colours on the outside (however see next comment!) but I'll mark an area of white if its on the outside eg this one
- Airfield construction, I don't think this is my monitor, the yellow should be green and the blue should be darker, the white 'runways' should be a little thicker as well, say ~40% more. As for lines, none between the colours, but... depending on who made the patch there may or may not have been thin ones around the 'runways', about what you have, none around the edge, if you disregard some stitching in some photos.
- Eastern Command, brave of you to take on an animal, I'd have left it as a photo, even with my method of using the svg package and tracing over a (nice and big!) photo I've taken. Good job.
- Coast Artillery, I don't have a picture of this one, only the b/w drawing and description in Cole, which says the gun (a muzzle loader), cannon balls and base are in black, red above, blue below. From the drawing in Cole, so possibly a bit off, the gun muzzle extends to the cannon ball stack, and up to the mount is half the thickness of the 'back end' (whatever the proper term is), there also a thickening of the very end of the muzzle, think 'olde worlde' cannon and late Victorian era big guns. And a proper 3, 2, 1 cannon ball stack. According to Cole this was used as a vehicle sign only, which explains the lack of any pictures on a google search!.
- Northern command, Good job. Usedtoknowthat (talk) 16:46, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
- Hey there, just thought I'd provide an update for you. I took your advise, and re-created some badges to the best of my ability in photoshop recently. Your advise is very much welcome sir!
- No probs, reminded me to have a look in some directories, I have a southern command HQ patch ready to go as well as some D.L.I. pics and some other odds and sods, I need to 'extract digit'.Usedtoknowthat (talk) 18:54, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
- When it comes to svgs you are much better then me, but thanks for the information sir! Coldstreamer20 (talk) 03:34, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
- I'm working on re-making or making badges for the armed forces of countries. Any help is welcome! Coldstreamer20 (talk) 03:22, 29 May 2024 (UTC)