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Archives Archive 1

Someone uploaded another incorrect image

Three years ago you commented about an incorrect image of an historic building. The uploader's talk page suggests that other problems have occurred and I just reported another problem, see User talk:KLOTZPLATE#Another incorrect image. You have a lot more experience of Commons than me. Is there anything that can be done to follow up the claimed problems? Johnuniq (talk) 07:44, 16 July 2019 (UTC)

@Johnuniq: There really isn't much that can be done other than correcting errors. The person in question has uploaded a lot of images of historic buildings to the Commons, and I gather they are elderly, so I try to help out if there are mistakes. I know others, including myself, have made similar errors. It can be difficult when taking photographs of a place that one is not familiar with. Other problems include errors in the official listings of the National Register of Historic Places and map errors on the Wikipedia pages. So we do the best we can and fix what needs to be fixed. Farragutful (talk) 14:55, 16 July 2019 (UTC)

OK but it's hard to see how errors can be corrected. Consider the following which are each titled to say that the image shows a particular house designed by Charles E. Firestone (Firestone graduated in 1914 and retired in 1967):

• File:CHAFLES E. FIRESTONE HOUSE, JACKSON TWP, STARK COUNTY, OHIO.jpg (nominated for deletion)
• File:CHARLES E. FIRESTONE HOUSE, STARK COUNTY, OHIO.jpg (has a note "... I am not sure which is the Firestone house and perhaps both are ...")

They cannot both be the house identified in the title. Gbawden closed the deletion as keep on the basis that the file was in use, or that the the file should be renamed to a correct title if it is wrong. Fair enough, but the fact that the file is in use means nothing, particularly in a list article—an enwiki editor does not check the authenticity of an image before adding it. Perhaps I should ask at COM:VP what should happen to an image with a title that is known to be wrong (Pendleton Place) or very dubious (the two Charles E. Firestone images). Johnuniq (talk) 05:22, 17 July 2019 (UTC)

Regarding the Firestone images — they're both wrong. See the property's record in the Ohio SHPO's website. The only solutions are to delete the images or to remove them from use and rename them to something like "Wooden house on Westdale Road" so nobody thinks they're the house in question. Such renaming is covered by our standards; see COM:RENAME item #3. I don't really see a reason to delete the images; they're decent pictures of ordinary McMansions. Nyttend (talk) 11:03, 17 July 2019 (UTC)

@Johnuniq: I see Nyttend beat me to it. I have had several photographs of others renamed because they are incorrectly named. I usually suggest that the one who uploads the image make the request, but I have done it if they fail to do it. Farragutful (talk) 11:50, 17 July 2019 (UTC)

I've run into a handful of images from this user that were of incorrect locations. I will just go into commons and rename the file to something else, and make an adjustment in the description. See File:Shellrock Ranch Building, Bosque County, TX.jpg for an example. 25or6to4 (talk) 13:35, 17 July 2019 (UTC)

@25or6to4: That's what I would do. I have my doubts that the Klotz's would do it on their own. Farragutful (talk) 13:56, 17 July 2019 (UTC)

And in all fairness, when you visit tons of places and upload tons of photos, you're bound to make a few misidentifications. See en:Talk:Thomas Leroy Bransford House for a sample mistake I made. Nyttend (talk) 21:42, 17 July 2019 (UTC)

@Nyttend: I agree completely. Farragutful (talk) 21:45, 17 July 2019 (UTC)

The Pendleton Place image has been moved to a correct title and removed from where it was used. How about moving the others mentioned here as follows:

• File:CHAFLES E. FIRESTONE HOUSE, JACKSON TWP, STARK COUNTY, OHIO.jpg → House in West Dale Rd NW, Ohio 1.jpg
• File:CHARLES E. FIRESTONE HOUSE, STARK COUNTY, OHIO.jpg → House in West Dale Rd NW, Ohio 2.jpg

I'll do that if no one else gets around to it, and replace the file descriptions with similar text. That should be all that is needed? Johnuniq (talk) 02:18, 18 July 2019 (UTC)

@Johnuniq: Go ahead and take care of it. You know the area better than I do and how to name them, although because a house is considered on a street and not in a street I would suggest replacing the word "in" with the word "on" in the new title. Farragutful (talk) 12:16, 18 July 2019 (UTC)

I put in a move request and that is all done, with your "on" fix, thanks. Johnuniq (talk) 23:44, 19 July 2019 (UTC)

@Johnuniq: Thanks for taking care of that. Farragutful (talk) 02:35, 20 July 2019 (UTC)

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Images in NRHP

No problem, I'll remove the extra categories. Sorry! Oaktree b (talk) 13:43, 2 September 2019 (UTC)

@Oaktree b: Great, thanks! Keep uploading. I love that you show the same place from different perspectives. Farragutful (talk) 13:47, 2 September 2019 (UTC)

State categories

Thanks for your help cleaning up state-level categories! I've noticed you categorizing bot-added files in MA and DE several times of late. Cheers, Pi.1415926535 (talk) 03:28, 18 September 2019 (UTC)

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Category:Evangelical Free churches in the United States

I see you created Category:Evangelical Free churches in the United States a while back. Do you know: are any of these not affiliated with the Evangelical Free Church of America? We don't seem to have a category corresponding to that Wikipedia article or with Evangelical Free Church of America (Q5415680). - Jmabel ! talk 16:20, 1 March 2020 (UTC)

@Jmabel: I do not know if any of the churches are affiliated with the Evangelical Free Church of America or not. I am also not opposed if you think that the Commons category should be changed to better reflect the church's name. Farragutful (talk) 17:08, 1 March 2020 (UTC)

Thanks. Sounds like it would take some research; I suspect all of them are affiliated, though. I think the U.S. portions of the "free churches" of the various Scandinavian nationalities all merged into that some decades ago, but it's possible that some didn't, or that some individual churches held out. Since their polity is congregationalist, any union is voluntary. I'm thinking we might at least do that for the ones that have Wikipedia articles that are explicit about their affiliation. Not sure if I care to take the time... - Jmabel ! talk 17:21, 1 March 2020 (UTC)

File:State House - NARA - 526163.jpg

If this is a photo by Matthew Brady (died 1896) then it is certainly not the Washington State Capitol (built in the 1920s), the category that you put on it a couple of years ago. Care to follow up & work out what it is, or should I? - Jmabel ! talk 23:32, 9 May 2020 (UTC)

@Jmabel: You are correct, it is absolutely not the Washington State Capitol. Then I thought it might be Rhode Island's, but it's not. I have no idea where this building is located, or if it's even a statehouse/capitol. Be my guest at trying to figure it out. Farragutful (talk) 23:58, 9 May 2020 (UTC)

Commons:Duplicate

Hi. GIF and JPG files are not duplicate per the policy for speedy deletion as duplicate. If you think that the gif images are superfluous, then you should follow the normal DR process.  — billinghurst sDrewth 01:38, 12 July 2020 (UTC)

Category:National Register of Historic Places in Oklahoma in Hughes County, Oklahoma

Hi,

Thanks for fixing. I tried to find that category and could not. It is formatted differently from other states, is it not? Or am I missing something? Best, Krok6kola (talk) 15:07, 23 August 2020 (UTC)

@Krok6kola: Yes, it is formatted incorrectly. It looks like a mash-up of two categories: National Register of Historic Places in Oklahoma and National Register of Historic Places in Hughes County, Oklahoma. I believe the correct category did not exist previously even though there were images for a category. Farragutful (talk) 15:12, 23 August 2020 (UTC)

Thank you for saying that! And by the way, I have learned invaluable information from your edits on how to categorize NRHP's. So thank you. Krok6kola (talk) 15:37, 23 August 2020 (UTC)

@Krok6kola: You're welcome. I'm glad I could help. Farragutful (talk) 15:41, 23 August 2020 (UTC)

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You are receiving this message as a participant in last year's Wiki Loves Monuments 2019 in the United States. First, a recap: We concluded with over 5,200 great photos of U.S. historical sites made possible by contributors like you. If you haven't yet seen, last year's U.S. winners are viewable here, and the international winners here (including multiple from the United States!).

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October 31st is the last day to upload photos for the U.S. competition this year. If you've already contributed, thank you so much - and it's great to have you again this year! If you haven't yet contributed but are interested in participating again, you're invited to join us during these last couple days. Check out the United States event page for more information. Remember that you are welcome to upload and submit photos of historic sites that you've taken any time in the past, not just this month.

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Scanlan Building categories

Thanks for redoing categories on my Scanlan Building photo. I have trouble with categories. -- Jim Evans (talk) 14:23, 17 November 2020 (UTC)

@Jim Evans: I'm happy to help out. I look over several categories a day to see if they have images that need to be organized. Keep uploading images and don't be too concerned about the categories. Farragutful (talk) 14:27, 17 November 2020 (UTC)

Copyrighted Wilton Daniel Gregory image

Hi Farragutful. I wonder if you might have an opinion about comments expressed at Commons:Deletion requests/File:Web041119-ArchbishopGregoryPortrait 001-8x10-edit.jpg. One of the editors commenting there is trying to force the image into Wikipedia:Wilton Daniel Gregory. Thanks. Sundayclose (talk) 04:01, 30 November 2020 (UTC)

Since you flagged this image as a copyright violation, perhaps you could take a closer look and see that the WP file is not identical to the one you identified as the source. Similar, even very similar, but not the same. Bmclaughlin9 (talk) 04:47, 30 November 2020 (UTC)

NRHP number

Hello Farragutful,

Do you know the NRHP number for Category:Museum of Contemporary Native Arts (Santa Fe)‎‎? I've searched for it on the NRHP website, but you seem to be more successful at that than I am. Thank you, Krok6kola (talk) 14:17, 16 January 2021 (UTC)

@Krok6kola: Found it! The building is the old Federal Building in Santa Fe. I put it on the category page, but not the individual images. Farragutful (talk) 14:25, 16 January 2021 (UTC)

Thanks! I looked under "Federal Building" but I don't have your talent and secret sauce. Krok6kola (talk) 15:02, 16 January 2021 (UTC)

Richard Martin House

You are probably correct on this. The GPS Coordinates are in between the two houses. The mailbox had the correct address on it. I did go up that drive for a better perspective on the picture I took, but I didn't think there was another house up there. I have made another error on a picture. Can you delete this one also? It would be called, Dozier Farm and it is in Davidson County. I did not post it, it would be on my commons uploads. What does it take for me to be able to remove my own photos, or edit the name?

While I am thinking about it, there is another photo error. If you go Michigan's historic page and go to Chippewa County, look at Kinross Township Hall and school. Someone posted a picture of a house that was just built a year or so ago. This is the site of the Historic place, but it was torn down. You can actually see the historic building on Google Maps Street view. I was up there looking for the building and it was already gone. This is the only error I have found in Michigan.

Wingerham52 (talk) 17:20, 19 January 2021 (UTC)

@Wingerham52: Unfortunately, the GPS coordinates are not correct on a lot of NRHP articles/lists. I've had to re-photograph places because of them myself.

I think it would be better if you requested that they be deleted. You can also request to have the images renamed if you want. To rename click on the "More" tab (above right from the file name), click on "Move," on the dialogue box that pops up enter into the appropriate spaces a new name (the old name will be in that space automatically) and the reason for the move, and click "Request naming" on the bottom right.

To delete an image you should be able to do a speedy delete, especially if they are your photos. If they are not, it's generally better to leave them alone or contact the uploader about your concerns. To have one of your photos removed click "Edit" and put the following template at the top of the space: { {speedy delete|reason} }. To activate it, remove the spaces between both sets of brackets ({ { → {{). Where it says "reason" type in your reason for having it deleted. A single-sentence explanation should be all that you need. That should be it. An administrator should remove the image from the Commons. In the event that an administrator wants a regular delete request instead (I've had that happen once), and you still want the photo deleted, contact me again (it's more involved, but not difficult).

I hope this reply helps. Farragutful (talk) 18:00, 19 January 2021 (UTC)

In a period of a week I took 983 photos. I have 13 pages of addresses. So, I am somewhat confused as to handling all the data correctly. I will review the first 3 you mentioned, however the Thomas Chute house you mentioned has a picture that is incorrect. The GPS coordinates for this house brought me to it. It is a long driveway and I got permission to go up to the house. It is all white. I have the correct picture. I usually filter out houses with long driveways. Many are gated or they have No Trespassing signs. If I can see it on Google street view, I have very long telephoto lenses to get it. But the Chute residence I was able to drive up to.

Right now I am going thru the rest of the photos, one by one, to make sure I am accurate when I post them. I have already found some that I have corrected. Hopefully, you won't have spank me anymore.

199.195.15.43 22:51, 26 January 2021 (UTC)

Requesting your help!

Hi Farragutful,

I fell upon these two NRHP categories and don't know what they should be named. One is Category:Clayville Tavern and may be part of a larger historic site in Illinois; the other started out as Category:Building on George Eastman House Grounds but I ended up moving most of that to Category:Exterior of the George Eastman House

So what should these be? Help! Krok6kola (talk) 01:18, 22 January 2021 (UTC)

@Krok6kola: Category:Clayville Tavern looks fine as it is now. It might be part of a larger historic site, and if someone takes photos of other structures, then a category for the larger historic site can be created. Having said that, File:Image Clayville Tavern.jpeg is not another building in that site, it is the Joseph Ross House. The image should be renamed and a new category for that property should be created as there is another photo of the house.

The George Eastman Museum appears to be one long building of which the George Eastman House is a section. Personally, I think "Category:Building on George Eastman House Grounds" is kind of an odd name and I would have it deleted. I wonder if "Category:George Eastman Museum" works better? As I said, the house looks to be part of the larger museum, and photos of the larger museum beyond the house appear to be in "Category:Exterior of the George Eastman House." You could also keep the latter category and keep only the photos of the house. Another question I have is, does "Category:Interior of the George Eastman House" include any photos of the house, or are they photos of the larger museum? I'm not familiar with this place so I'm not sure what is what.

I hope this helps. Farragutful (talk) 03:22, 22 January 2021 (UTC)

Yes, it helps very much. I did as you suggested regarding Clayville Tavern. I renamed and moved Joseph Ross House (the house that I knew didn't look the same). As far as George Eastman Museum, I am somewhat confused. A couple of years ago I came across 7 images called Category:Building on George Eastman House Grounds; only recently I notices that the cat didn't make sense and moved most to an existing category "Exterior of the George Eastman House". The two remaining images are from the "Museum"? And all should be moved to "George Eastman Museum"? I agree about deleting the "Building on George Eastman House Grounds" category. Probably all those images from films, etc. should be in a category like "Exhibits in George Eastman Museum". I'll work on it later as I don't have time now. Thanks so much for clarifying all this! Best wishes, Krok6kola (talk) 15:05, 22 January 2021 (UTC)

@Krok6kola: Glad I could help. Thanks for tackling these issues. Farragutful (talk) 16:40, 22 January 2021 (UTC)

Category:George Eastman House Museum What do you think? Any changes? Krok6kola (talk) 20:03, 22 January 2021 (UTC)

@Krok6kola: It looks good to me. Farragutful (talk) 01:01, 23 January 2021 (UTC)

Cloyne Court Hotel

Hi Farragutful, thanks for addition of the postcard category. How come you took out all but one of the other ones? Rybkovich (talk) 15:54, 29 January 2021 (UTC)

@Rybkovich: Those others overcategorized the individual images. "Category:Cloyne Court Hotel" was already a subcategory of "Category:Berkeley Student Cooperative" so the latter is redundant to each image. "Category:Berkeley, California," "Category:Cooperatives," and "Category:National Register of Historic Places" are general categories for which there are more specific categories. "Category:Berkeley Student Cooperative" and "Category:National Register of Historic Places in Berkeley, California" are the more specific categories, and they were already categories of "Category:Cloyne Court Hotel." So those three general categories are also redundant to each image. For future reference, see: Commons:OVERCAT. Farragutful (talk) 17:51, 29 January 2021 (UTC)

— Preceding unsigned comment added by Rybkovich (talk • contribs) 18:41, 29 January 2021 (UTC)

I see. Why aren't File:Cloyne Court view from Le Roy.png and File:Cloyne Court 1913.png in the same category? Both are real photo postcards. Rybkovich (talk) 18:53, 29 January 2021 (UTC)

@Rybkovich: I didn't realize these were postcards until the second one I looked at. I was going to go back to File:Cloyne Court 1913.png, but forgot. You can always change it. Farragutful (talk) 21:52, 29 January 2021 (UTC)

done. Thank you Rybkovich (talk) 03:02, 1 February 2021 (UTC)

Kingman Hall

Another question. File:Kingman Hall - Theta Xi.png we have the date listed as 1914. 1914 is when building was constructed not when the card was released or pic taken. But, we do know that the card was released before 1923, because the comment in the book is that the building survived the 1923 Berkeley fire, this means that at least the picture was taken before 1923. What should we do about that? Rybkovich (talk) 19:13, 29 January 2021 (UTC)

Sorry, I meant to get back to you a couple of days ago. I suggest you can do one of three things:

1. c. 1920 (This uses a round number when the specific year is unknown but you know the basic timeframe.)

2. Before 1923

3. Between 1914 and 1923 (In my opinion, the best choice. This one gives the timeframe, which in this instance is relatively short, about 9 years. If you have a longer timeframe, 20 years, I would not use it here as it wouldn't be helpful.)

That's my opinion. Again, sorry for the delay. Farragutful (talk) 02:29, 1 February 2021 (UTC)

No probs. I changed it, I think the 1914 - 1923 makes most sense also. Thank you Rybkovich (talk) 03:01, 1 February 2021 (UTC)

Your comment on the executive orders I uploaded

Thank you so much for notifying me of that. Would have sucked to reupload them again. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Roopscoops (talk • contribs) 18:24, 22 April 2021 (UTC)

@Roopscoops: Yes, it looked like you put a lot of work into those uploads. I'm glad I could help. Farragutful (talk) 01:30, 23 April 2021 (UTC)

Grassy Butte Post Office

Hello Farragutful,

I found another image of Category:Grassy Butte Post Office and tried to add the categories as you had done for the one image. Please check, if you would, and fix any mistakes I make. Best wishes, Krok6kola (talk) 14:55, 20 May 2021 (UTC)

@Krok6kola: It looks good to me. Thanks for your work on this and other images/categories. Farragutful (talk) 20:17, 20 May 2021 (UTC)

What do you think of this?

Hello, I made this category based on the comments of the image uploader and a Google search: Category:Ogden Pegram Truss Railroad Bridge. What is your opinion of this? Kindest regards, Krok6kola (talk) 13:48, 24 May 2021 (UTC)

@Krok6kola: I added a couple of categories, but I think it looks good. Thanks for your work. Farragutful (talk) 13:56, 24 May 2021 (UTC)

Thanks! I took a chance regarding the name, but it seemed right after looking at all the evidence. Krok6kola (talk) 14:01, 24 May 2021 (UTC)

@Krok6kola: I noticed that, but the National Register lists the name you chose as an alternative name so at least from that perspective it's a good choice. Farragutful (talk) 15:24, 24 May 2021 (UTC)

You can improve on this surely!

Hello, I created Category:Kennecott Mines, but I am just a little worn out. You would know better what other categories it should go. Every image I put in there either was named "Kennecott Mines" and/or had the NRHP number. I did add a few from Category:Kennecott, Alaska that looked like images of "Kennecott Mines", but there are others there that could belong but have different names. At this point, I'm not sure of my own judgment! Best wishes, --Krok6kola (talk) 14:37, 28 May 2021 (UTC)

@Krok6kola: To be honest, I'm not certain a separate category was necessary. The entirety of Kennecott is part of the NRHP and NHL designations. It would take some time for me to wade through all of the particulars to decide what is considered part of the mine and what was not. Not only has the mine been abandoned, but the town has been too. There is no access to it anymore. I assume the old school building and the recreation building are part of the old town, but what about the Kennecott Copper Corporation buildings? Are they considered part of the mill or are they something different? I added the NRHP number to Category:Kennecott, Alaska and changed a category on the mine's category, although it's already on the main category. I'll let you parse out the rest. Farragutful (talk) 20:59, 28 May 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for looking and I defer to your judgment. It seems you are saying the whole thing is part of a historic district? I don't quite understand what the NRHP number is including in "Kennecott Mines". I know that enwiki is not always accurate from the Commons point of view. So I will just let it be. Sorry for screwing things up. Best, --Krok6kola (talk) 21:13, 28 May 2021 (UTC)

Elephant Car Wash

This seems wrong to me. Elephant Car Wash is a chain, and while all of their locations are/were in Washington State, not all have been in Seattle (there was one in Tacoma) and not all are really in the conventional sense "buildings" (the one in Seattle's Industrial District is basically a series of metal structures that don't even have sides). - Jmabel ! talk 02:52, 30 August 2021 (UTC)

• @Jmabel: But all of those specific images are described as being in Seattle. Krok6kola (talk) 19:02, 30 August 2021 (UTC)

• Yes, all the images we happen to have of that are of a single location. But I wouldn't presume that would remain the case in the future. - Jmabel ! talk 20:14, 30 August 2021 (UTC)
• A list of their locations. - Jmabel ! talk 20:15, 30 August 2021 (UTC)

@Jmabel: If there are mistakes change them or change them back. There were over 100 images in the parent category before I sorted them out. I left images that were not buildings in that category. I haven't had time to deal with them. I might change the one category in the state categories so they don't have to be buildings. I didn't have the time today to work on it. Farragutful (talk) 00:25, 31 August 2021 (UTC)

Wiki Loves Monuments in the United States 2021

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How to look up NRHP number?

I know this is a NRHP in Tulsa, Oklahoma!

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e.g. [1] [2] [3]

But I never have any luck finding anything on the NRHP site. Are you able to do better? Thanks (and I hope I am not making your life harder by anything I do regarding these sites) Krok6kola (talk) 21:45, 20 October 2021 (UTC)

@Krok6kola: You can always look up the property in question on the appropriate county (or city) list on Wikipedia - National Register of Historic Places listings in Tulsa County, Oklahoma. It should be there correctly, and in this case it is.

The NRHP Weekly Lists, which announce new listings on their website from 2018 and before are all pdf's now. Their table of contents are clickable. As a rule of thumb, new listings are usually a week later than you think, so keep that in mind. You might have to click on a couple of different weeks before you find it. Also note that the NRHP is way behind in creating web pages for new properties on their website so those added in the last five years, by and large, do not have their own page yet.

In regards to the Vernon AME images above, the uploader added the "RS" to the reference number which Wikipedia/Commons do not use but the NRHP does. They started that numbering system a few of years ago. I hope this helps.

Always feel free to ask me for help. I fixed the three images in question. Farragutful (talk) 22:41, 20 October 2021 (UTC)

But that number

This is an image of a place or building that is listed on the National Register of Historic Places in the United States of America. Its reference number is 100002547.

does not work. And that is where my inability to search that site comes in! Krok6kola (talk) 22:48, 20 October 2021 (UTC)

@Krok6kola: Yes, I explained that to you: "Also note that the NRHP is way behind in creating web pages for new properties on their website so those added in the last five years, by and large, do not have their own page yet." Vernon AME was added in 2018, so within the last five years, and therefore, no page. Farragutful (talk) 23:23, 20 October 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for answering. I don't really understand the "RS" part, but I know that you are extremely experienced in this, and I've learned a lot in copying what you do. It is frustrating, too, because the NRHP is sometimes added to an image when it obviously doesn't belong. And as you told me awhile ago, the naming gets complicated and doesn't always fit what the site says it is. And I know I fail in completely adding all the categories I should. Thanks so much, Krok6kola (talk) 23:36, 20 October 2021 (UTC)

How to handle the NRHP weekly list and "RS"

Hello,

Please see Category:Frank W. Hoyt Park. I am amazed at what you do and how much you know! Krok6kola (talk) 16:23, 15 November 2021 (UTC)

I'm sure I don't deserve that, but thank you just the same. I've never put the Weekly List link on a Commons category page, but there is no reason why not. Not sure what your reference to "RS" in the title above refers to as the WL refers to Hoyt Park as an SG (single nomination) and not an RS (resubmission). I did add the NRHP# and two New Deal categories to the park's category as they seemed to have played a part in its development. Farragutful (talk) 20:30, 15 November 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for the additions. And you do deserve what I said! Having the link to the Weekly link there was extremely helpful to me, so I have no problem with that. A question about Category:Striker's Pond (Wisconsin). The description says it has "INFORMATION POTENTIAL" and is "PREHISTORIC". From what I can determine it is a "kettle lake" but the closest category on the Commons is Category:Kettle (landform). This seems to be related to glacial activity and Dane County, Wisconsin is in a "Driftless Area" :Category:Driftless Area in Dane County. The period of significance is "1000-1499 BC". There are many mounds etc. in Wisconsin of Indigenous peoples of the Americas, but how does the lake relate to that? Also, should I rename the whole thing to "Stricker Pond I Site" or "Stricker Pond Site", since its significance seems not to be that it is a lake? Krok6kola (talk) 01:22, 16 November 2021 (UTC)

I think you can keep that name as that seems to be the common name for the area. The "site" refers to its being an archeological site of an ancient native encampment site. Because there doesn't seem to be any photos of that, there is no reason to call attention to it per se. However, I did add Category:Archaeological sites on the National Register of Historic Places in Wisconsin. I also added the kettle category you sited as that is primarily what this is. I also added one for ponds. I thought about one for parks, but the nature conservancy category should cover it. Farragutful (talk) 01:50, 16 November 2021 (UTC)

Contributing properties question

Hello!

I did not know what to do with Category:Longfellow's Wayside Inn since it is in a historic district. I probably screwed it up. Is it a "contributing property"? Sorry that I've not gotten the hang of this. Krok6kola (talk) 21:36, 8 January 2022 (UTC)

The inn itself appears to be a contributing property, although without better documentation I cannot tell for sure. I left it as a historic district. Farragutful (talk) 05:36, 9 January 2022 (UTC)

Categories

Hi Farragutful, I notice that you have recategorized a number of images on Wikimedia Commons recently. However, at least two of those images are now mis-categorized. Specifically, File:VA-Medical-Center-Biloxi-09-11-2012.JPG and File:VeteransMedicalCenterBiloxi.jpg are part of the Biloxi Veterans Administration Medical Center, not the Gulfport Veterans Administration Medical Center Historic District. Regards. Woodlot (talk) 13:09, 22 March 2022 (UTC)

Category:Ballast Island (Washington state)

Is there any reason this is a distinct category from Category:Ballast Island, Seattle, Washington? Or should we just merge it? - Jmabel ! talk 17:44, 9 October 2022 (UTC)

@Jmabel: They can be merged as far as I'm concerned. Farragutful (talk) 22:08, 9 October 2022 (UTC)

Then I'll just do this without bothering with a CFD. - Jmabel ! talk 22:23, 9 October 2022 (UTC)

Notification about possible deletion

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Affected:

• File:Iowa 1992 Sesquicentennial - Scenic.jpg

And also:

• File:Iowa 2010 467 GYA.jpg

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Category:Frank_Sinatra_House

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I don't know how you do the NRHP job!

• File:Six sisters, Capitola, California.jpg, a NRHP
• Plus, are the categories correct for Category:Old Riverview Historic District? Thanks, so much, Krok6kola (talk) 18:29, 14 April 2024 (UTC)
  • Also Category:Ninth Avenue Historic District Krok6kola (talk) 20:24, 15 April 2024 (UTC)
    • Also Category:Nettleton's Addition Historic District. Thank you so much. Krok6kola (talk) 21:00, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

Miss USA map

Hello! I hope this isn't too much of a bother, but I was just wondering if you could update the File:Miss USA title holders.png image to reflect the new titleholders in 2023 ( 1 win for Utah, 1 win for Hawaii)? I would do it myself, but I don't have the skills to update these maps. Jjj1238 (talk) 22:00, 9 May 2024 (UTC)

@Jjj1238: I'm happy to take care of it. Please check to make sure it's now correct. Farragutful (talk) 23:36, 9 May 2024 (UTC)

It looks great, thanks so much! Jjj1238 (talk) 13:13, 11 May 2024 (UTC)

Hi again! I just noticed that North Carolina should also be 1 (4 wins), I wish I realized back in May. But Miss USA 2024 is tonight so it may just be easier to wait until we have the 2024 winner tonight to update. I also think DC might not be shaded correctly. It should have 4 wins as well, although I can't really tell if it's uncolored or not since it's so small. Jjj1238 (talk) 15:30, 4 August 2024 (UTC)

@Jjj1238: Thanks for letting me know. I’ll take care of it either tonight or (probably) tomorrow. Farragutful (talk) 15:42, 4 August 2024 (UTC)

Thank you! Michigan ended up winning, so to sum it up, it's 1 for Michigan, 1 for North Carolina, and clearing up what's going on with DC. Jjj1238 (talk) 13:36, 5 August 2024 (UTC)

Photo errors

You have helped me a long time ago. I have two photos that I have uploaded that I realize I made spelling errors. Can you change the spelling, or do you have to delete them and I can re-upload them with the correct spelling? Photo: Spangler Bridge Old Chatham, NY.jpg The spelling should be Spengler Bridge Photo: The Wilbur House Old Chatham, NY.jpg The have spelling should be Wilbor House Wingerham52 (talk) 21:14, 26 September 2024 (UTC)

@Wingerham52: You can have them renamed. Next to the search window on the upper right is a drop-down menu "More." Press the "Move" feature in the drop-down menu (it's also the only feature!). In the spaces provided enter the new name, and then choose the reason. I always choose "1. original uploaders request." In the third space you can add correct spelling or something similar (but you don't have to) and then hit the green button at the bottom labeled "Request renaming." Someone with the capability will change the name. Farragutful (talk) 22:38, 26 September 2024 (UTC)

Category edits

Hi Farragutful, I noticed you made some edits to the categories on 2 images I uploaded as part of WLM 2024, specifically File:Webb Brothers' Store.jpg and File:Hiwassee Meeting Hall.jpg These seem like good-faith edits, so thank you for your efforts. However, it seems like some of the changes were incorrect, and others I don't understand, so I wanted to ask you about them.

On File:Hiwassee Meeting Hall.jpg, you removed the categories of Category:National Register of Historic Places and Category:Historic districts on the National Register of Historic Places, but to me these seemed accurate as the building is indeed part of a NRHP-listed historic district. You also removed Category:Masonic buildings, but left Category:Masonic buildings in Tennessee, which I was curious about.

And on File:Webb Brothers' Store.jpg, you similarly removed Category:General stores, but left Category:General stores in Tennessee. Further, you also added Category:Historic district contributing properties in Tennessee, but to the best of my knowledge based on the NRHP documentation, this building, although now historically significant, was considered a non-contributing property as it was only ~30 years old when the district was placed on the register in the '80s. Finally, you also added Category:Former gas stations in Tennessee, but, to the best of my knowledge, this is still an operating gas station (notice the new-looking weights and measures stickers on the pumps), just no longer a Texaco station.

Thank you for adding Category: Reliance, Tennessee to both files. I hope I'm not coming across as passive-aggressive, as I know I can just revert edits if I believe they're incorrect, but I am new to Commons and figured there might be a good explanation for some of these edits (like removing the broader "General stores" and "Masonic buildings" categories but leaving the TN-specific categories) that just isn't obvious to me. If you could help me understand, it'd be much appreciated. Spdou (talk) 16:25, 1 November 2024 (UTC)

@Spdou: You don't want to overcategorize your photos, see: Commons:OVERCAT. If there are mistakes with my edits, then change them. If Webb Brothers' Store is not a contributing property then it shouldn't have any elements associated with the National Register of Historic Places, even if its located in an historic district. Contributing properties are listed on the National Register by virtue of their inclusion as a contributing property. Non-contributing properties are not listed on the Register because of their lack of historic context. Farragutful (talk) 18:54, 1 November 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for your reply and for the info about overcategorization -- that makes sense. I went ahead and fixed a couple of things. Full disclosure: I've kept the NRHP elements for now because the NRHP nomination form does discuss the historical significance of the store, despite calling it non-contributing. (When it was nominated, it didn't meet the "50 years old" criterion, but it is now nearly 70 years old and has not only played an crucial role in the historical development of Reliance's whitewater economy, but is also a unique and noteworthy example of midcentury Americana.) Thanks again for your help. Spdou (talk) 20:28, 1 November 2024 (UTC)

Category:John Lyon Gardiner Mill Cottage vs. Category:Gardiners Island Windmill

Regarding [4] and [5]--check the coordinates, all of that submitter's "Gardiner" entries in Category:Images from Wiki Loves Monuments 2024 in New York are of Category:John Lyon Gardiner Mill Cottage, none were taken on the island lying four or five miles north. -- DanielPenfield (talk) 12:35, 2 November 2024 (UTC)

Road destination signs

I noticed you added Signs in St. Joseph, Missouri to Road signs for St. Joseph, Missouri. Most Road destination signs are not in the same city as the sign. Mjrmtg (talk) 18:02, 29 November 2024 (UTC)