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editDo you remember File:Tipón Archaeological site - overview.jpg? Can you fill in the source and maybe see if there might be any more. I checked others from the same date and this looks like the only one. Thanks Ww2censor (talk) 14:53, 25 February 2018 (UTC)
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editDon't move images from Pioneering Spirit (ship, 2014), make only copies for your own purposes,see also Category:Ships by name, thanks--PjotrMahh1 (talk) 06:00, 22 March 2018 (UTC)
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Difference between jackups and drill ships
editErick, jackups and drill ships are not the same, and as such should not be in the same category. Regards, BoH (talk) 17:12, 19 September 2018 (UTC)
- Clear, but please move them from the category Drilling ships in Rotterdam to Jackup rigs in Rotterdam ínstead of only removing. --06:05, 20 September 2018 (UTC)
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Category:Lodewijk Pincoffsbrug (Rotterdam)
editDear AgainErick,
Since you post quite a few Rotterdam related pictures you may prefer to have this conversation in Dutch, but for now I'll continue in English.
When you created Category:Lodewijk Pincoffsbrug (Rotterdam) in 2013 you added [[Category:Marja Haring]] to it. I suppose you did that to indicate that she's the architect of this bridge. I have reason to believe that that is not completely true: as you can read in Dutch language article Lodewijk Pincoffsbrug this bridge was built as Stokkenbrug in 1977 across the Zalmhaven, when Marja Haring didn't work for Rotterdam yet (she was employed by Rotterdam municipality only in 1980).
What was your reason for including Category:Marja Haring?
Kind regards, Magere Hein (talk) 07:49, 16 October 2018 (UTC)
- The reason can be found here [1]. It states a project of three bridges (including the Pincoffsbrug). I am aware of its history but what i could not find was if the bridge had undergone a redsign and if so to what extend the bridge has been modified. So even though in doubt (because of its history) i assumed some form of redesign took place and added the category simply based on the information on the architects page. --ErickAgain 05:26, 17 October 2018 (UTC).
- It took me a while to find a picture of the Stokkenbrug in context, but I found one: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DPpEvQUX0AEPGKm.jpg. As can be clearly seen, the approaches of the bridge were quite different than those of the Lodewijk Pincoffsbrug. I suppose Marja Haring designed those approaches. If I can be bothered, I'll email her to ask.
- Thanks for the reply and with kind regards, Magere Hein (talk) 13:03, 17 October 2018 (UTC)
Wish
editHello. Help improve for [2]. Thanks you. — Preceding unsigned comment was added by 125.214.51.98 (talk) 09:31, 23 November 2018 (UTC)
part of Bolivian peninsula not shown on a Peruvian-Bolivian border map (map of Yunguyo Province)
editDag,
er is een probleem met de kaart.
> Error on the Peruvian-Bolivian border map - with the Manco Kapac Province (Bolivia) > See for the detail : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File_talk:Location_of_the_province_Yunguyo_in_Puno.svg
Feyenoord-matches
editHello AgainErick! My compliments for what you did on making categories for old Feyenoord-matches! I wish every club in the Netherlands had such a devoted Wikipedian in their midst. Anyway, many thanks, and keep up the good work! All the best, Jeff5102 (talk) 07:23, 15 July 2019 (UTC)
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Hi, AgainErick, since you created this category, I noticed the description: Nederlands: Rotterdam, Botersloot 67 - Synagoge - anno 1891 - verwoest tijdens het bombardement op Rotterdam in mei 1940, and the difference with
- The date: 7 September 1942 (whereas the synagogue seemed to have been destroyed during the war in May 1940.
- House number: 73 instead of 67 as initially indicated.
Thank you for your time. Lotje (talk) 05:40, 17 September 2019 (UTC)
- Hi Lotje. Apparently the institute "Nederlands Israëlitische Gemeente" had their office located at the Gedempte Botersloot, a different location from the synagogue at the Boompjes. So different location and different house number. The Synagogue at the Boompjes was destroyed in May 1940.
- --ErickAgain 05:58, 18 September 2019 (UTC)
- Thank you every so much for the info. I will add this information to the file to clarify. :-) Lotje (talk) 10:59, 18 September 2019 (UTC)
- Hi, AgainErick only me again. In the meantime I created a Category:Jacob Cohen. Maybe (hopefully) it will be helpful to someone... :-) Lotje (talk) 13:12, 18 September 2019 (UTC)
- Thank you every so much for the info. I will add this information to the file to clarify. :-) Lotje (talk) 10:59, 18 September 2019 (UTC)
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Sort order for the Anefo photographer groups
editRe [3] (and many others), I note that you're doing a lot of work to change a sort order. This is the wrong way to do it – doing lots of manual changes to argue with a computer is never the right way.
The sort order is generated automatically from {{ANEFO photographer location}}, so any change ought to be done there. But first (because it's used in a lot of places, what should this sort order be? It was sorting originally by P for Photographer, but that's because no-one has ever expressed any other preference. So what should it be? Sorting by ~ puts them all at the end of the category, which is againt our usual practice.
You've also created Category:1980 photographs of Rotterdam by photographer as a child of Category:1980 in Rotterdam. This isn't an ideal name, as it duplicates 1980 at the head. Category:Photographs of Rotterdam by photographer (1980) would be better, but why not simply Category:Photographs by photographer (1980 in Rotterdam), which then allows easy use of the pipe trick Photographs by photographer for in-context linking. Andy Dingley (talk) 17:09, 5 June 2022 (UTC)
- The sort order changes were an attempt to prevent the Anefo template categories from popping up all over the place. I tried to address this before, by suggesting changes to the template, but no change so far. I think the Anefo template should not add any categories by photographer at all in any 'normal' category. Anefo being an association of photographers is intrinsically obsessed with the photographer, whilst most of the wikimedia community is interested in the image/content itself. It would be great to have subcategory trees for photographers sorted in the parent category under space or asterisk (' ' or '*') this sorting is quite common for 'by xxxx' categories, without any further addition. The naming of Category:1980 photographs of Rotterdam by photographer is indeed awkward, I just took one of the many existing schemes used elsewhere on commons. I'm not really attached to that name. I think it would be better to simply use the parent category's name and add ' by photographer ' so e.g. Category:1980 in Rotterdam by photographer. Under this category the Anefo template can subsequently add whatever is desired. Just my two cents. --ErickAgain 13:36, 10 June 2022 (UTC).
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Hoi AgainErick, hartelijk dank voor al je bijdragen op Commons en de andere Wikipedia projecten. Over Rotterdamse onderwerpen hebben onze bijdragen elkaar meerdere malen gekruist en hier en daar allicht ook doorkruist. Een zo'n punt is de Category:H.H. de Klerk furniture (Rotterdam), die je een "eeuwigheid" geleden aangemaakt hebt.
Met deze categorie heb ik momenteel een zelfde soort probleem als in eerder met de Category:Bank Mees & Hope (Rotterdam) had. Het gaat (of kan gaan) over zowel het gebouw als over de organisatie. In de opzet van de H.H. de Klerk furniture (Rotterdam) - categorie zit dat er ook in. Juist die onbepaaldheid vind ik problematisch. Ik wens juist verder uit te splitsen en te documenteren. En daarvoor is een duidelijke basis nodig.
Dat speelde een half jaar terug ook. Wellicht is het je ook opgevallen dat ik in dit tweede geval een nieuwe categorie heb aangemaakt Category:Blaak 10 (Rotterdam) specifiek over het gebouw, en Category:R. Mees & Zoonen over de organisatie. Dat was al weer een half jaar terug. In dat geval van Mees & Hope is enerzijds met de Category:R. Mees & Zoonen een bredere basis gevormd om de Rotterdamse bank en familie en de documenten daarover weer te geven. En anderzijds is er met de Category:Blaak 10 (Rotterdam) een ingang om documenten rond het architectonische en stedebouwkundige zaken rond het gebouw een plaats te geven.
Nu vraag ik me af of je daar ook mee bezig bent, of daar gedachten over hebt. Of je dat ziet zitten of juist helemaal niet. Ik ben benieuwd. Mvg. Mdd (talk) 02:36, 29 October 2023 (UTC)
- Volgens mij begrijp ik je verzoek en i.d.d. ben ik Blaak 10 tegengekomen. Hetzelfde speelt b.v. bij Category:Raad van Arbeid (Rotterdam) voor het gebouw en Category:Raad van Arbeid, Rotterdam voor de organisatie. Dit eigenlijk ingegeven door de categorieën voor andere steden en (Rotterdam) als suffix voor bijna alle individuele gebouwen in Rotterdam. Adressen lijken mij eigenlijk alleen handig als bijkomende onderverdeling en meestal hebben gebouwen ook wel namen. Ik moet hier nog wel een verder beeld over vormen, voordat ik een zinvolle reactie kan geven. Volgt later --ErickAgain 11:14, 29 October 2023 (UTC).
- Nog bedankt voor deze reactie, en je verdere reactie in vergelijkbare zaken de afgelopen tijd. In het afgelopen jaar ben ik me meer bewust geworden van de enorme inzet, die je hier op dit gebied voor de gebouwen en bruggen van Rotterdam en omstreken hebt geleverd met de jaren. Daarvoor ook mijn dank.
- Tegelijkertijd ervaar ik telkens weer, dat de presentatie van de bruggen en gebouwen voor mij (nog) niet werkt. Ik kan de gebouwen en bruggen veelal niet terugvinden, en soms is de representatie van een type brug over tien of meer categorieën verdeeld. In de beschikbare foto's zitten ook veel doublures.
- Nu is dit alles in vijftien jaar opgebouwd waarbij ieder veelal z'n eigen gang is gegaan. Wat jij hierbij telkens weer toont is een enorme entrepreneurial drive, een vernieuwingsdrang. Hier heb ik bijzonder veel respect voor en dit wil ik blijven steunen, en respectvol blijven omgaan met al de eerste aanzetten.
- Tegelijkertijd probeer ik voor mezelf na te gaan waarom het nog niet werkt, en waar dat dan aan ligt. Hoofdoorzaak lijkt een naamfixatie of begripsfixatie, met de achterliggende gedachten, zoals je zegt, dat: Adressen lijken mij eigenlijk alleen handig als bijkomende onderverdeling...
- Om nu een lang verhaal kort te maken: De begripsfixatie en achterliggende gedacht werkt best goed voor alle mensen, die bekend zijn met de situatie. Voor buitenstaanders is dit echter problematisch. Die staan bijvoorbeeld voor een gebouw, en willen daar mee over weten. Of die hebben een foto en scrollen door de Wikimedia Commons categorieën, waar ze die nu moeten onderbrengen.
- Juist voor al die zoekenden en zoekvragen, dienen er in Wikimedia Commons allerlei voorzieningen getroffen te worden om de afbeeldingen beschikbaar te stellen: intro's, links met Wikidata en Wikipedia, sjablonen, overzichten, doorverwijzingen etc. Dit is zo in een notendop m'n achterliggende gedachten bij deze materie. Met vriendelijke groet, -- Mdd (talk) 14:38, 8 October 2024 (UTC)
- Helaas kan ik het allemaal niet zo goed volgen. Ik kom er niet achter wat het probleem nu precies is. Er zijn op Commons meerdere hiërarchieën mogelijk. Het is dus niet zo vreemd dat afbeeldingen in meerdere categorieën voorkomen. De bruggen in Rotterdam volgen bijvoorbeeld dezelfde onderverdeling als de hoofdcategorie 'Bridges', tot zo ver niets vreemds. Adressen is een van de mogelijke hiërarchieën, vandaar de mogelijkheid tot 'by address', 'by type', 'by colour', 'by year' etc. Hiërarchieën zijn misschien naar, raar of vreemd, maar Commons hanteert nu eenmaal categorieën en geen tags. Tagging is iets heel anders dat onderverdelen in categorieën. Helpt dit iets? --ErickAgain 15:25, 8 October 2024 (UTC). ErickAgain 15:25, 8 October 2024 (UTC)
Bedankt @ErickAgain: dat je dit ter sprake brengt. Het blijkt dat ik daar zelf op een cruciaal punt de mist in gegaan was, en dat er in de tussentijd (en wellicht eerder) nog wat zaken scheef zijn gegaan. Daarom heb ik ik dit even afgezonderd hier.
Om te beginnen bleek de documentatie zelf niet te kloppen en was de Hoge Raad van Arbeid, voorloper van de SER, en de Raad van Arbeid opgegaan in 1988 in de Sociale Verzekeringsbank niet duidelijk van elkaar gescheiden. Ik heb dat wel verder gescheiden, en ook wat aangevuld.
Momenteel zijn er nu acht (van de ca. 12) regionale Category:Raad van Arbeid instituten onderscheiden. Hier hebben we nu ook wat vergelijkingsmateriaal hoe organisatie en gebouw normaal wordt onderscheiden:
- Category:Raad van Arbeid, Alkmaar en Category:Het Bolwerk Alkmaar
- Category:Raad van Arbeid, Amsterdam en Category:Singelgrachtgebouw
- Category:Raad van Arbeid, Maastricht en Category:Brusselsestraat 84, Maastricht
Het is evident dat er met naamkeuze in Rotterdam een afwijking van de norm is:
Hier zijn gebouw en organisatie vrijwel exact gelijk genoemd, en dat schept altijd verwarring. Bovendien is afgeweken van normale benamingen als Vestia: gebouw Raad van Arbeid of Raad van Arbeid-gebouw en dat schept verbazing. Waarom die keuze? Je eigen argument is ook heel markant:
- Dit eigenlijk ingegeven door de categorieën voor andere steden en (Rotterdam) als suffix voor bijna alle individuele gebouwen in Rotterdam...
Nu is dat de moeite waard om te onderzoeken. Blijft dit hier niet bij een geval. Is de naamgeving van gebouwen in het Rotterdamse zoveel verschillend dan de normale naamgeving, of is dit alleen bij jou het geval. Ik zal daar nog eens verder naar kijken. -- Mdd (talk) 13:07, 31 October 2023 (UTC)
- Het schept inderdaad verwarring, maar je kunt/wilt niet altijd zomaar alle namen gaan aanpassen. Voor gebouwen in Rotterdam geldt dat in overgrote meerderheid de naam van het gebouw wordt gebruikt. De suffix (Rotterdam) is voor disambiguation en wordt eigenlijk altijd toegepast en moet ook worden toegepast, omdat je nooit weet of er ergens anders niet een gebouw met dezelfde naam bestaat. Als een gebouw geen naam heeft, wordt eigenlijk altijd de naam van de organasatie of de functie van het gebouw gebruikt. Hier zou dan ook het wordt gebouw in verwerkt moeten zijn/worden. Zo kennen we b.v. Category:GEB-gebouw (Rotterdam) en Category:Gebouw Delftse Poort de laatste heeft een naam, maar hier wordt dan weer gebouw toegevoegd, omdat er ook een poort is met dezelfde naam.
- Voorstel:
- Indien het gebouw een naam heeft, dan de naam Category:Weenahuis (Rotterdam), Category:Maastorenflat (Rotterdam) etc.
- Indien het gebouw geen naam heeft, dan de naam van de organisatie gebouw Category:GEB-gebouw (Rotterdam), Category:Raad van Arbeidgebouw (Rotterdam) etc.
- Indien een organisatie meerdere gebouwen op dezelfde locatie heeft, dan complex toevoegen Complex Erasmus MC (Rotterdam) Category:Complex Schepenstraat-Walenburgerplein
- Indien een organisatie meerdere gebouwen op meerdere locaties heeft (gehad), dan ook de locatie toevoegen Category:Waalsekerk Hoogstraat (Rotterdam), Category:Waalsekerk Schiedamse Vest (Rotterdam)
- Indien een organisatie door de tijd meerdere gebouwen (met of zonder naam) op dezelfde locatie heeft gehad, dan ook het jaartal van oplevering toevoegen Category:Organisatiegebouw (Rotterdam, 1887), Category:Organisatiegebouw (Rotterdam, 2002)
- Voor de organisatie, de naam van de organisatie disambiguation Category:Raad van Arbeid (Rotterdam), Category:Waalsekerk (Rotterdam)
- Bijvoorbeeld: Category:Erasmus MC is best een uitdaging dan, want tekst en wikidata zeggen dat het de organisatie is, terwijl bijna alle afbeeldingen over het gebouw gaan en de subcategorieën over organisatie of gebouw gaan.
- --ErickAgain 12:08, 1 November 2023 (UTC)
Beste ErickAgain/AgainErick ik heb het idee, dat we langs elkaar heen praten, en dat je in herhaling valt. Nu stel je weer:
- Voor gebouwen in Rotterdam geldt dat in overgrote meerderheid de naam van het gebouw wordt gebruikt...
Het gaat mij hier echter op de eerste plaats om enkele uitzonderlijke gevallen. Jij hebt een voorstel voor geheel, dat je wil oplossen op basis van je herhaalde stelregel, die volgens mij ook nog niet klopt. In de Category:Gemeentelijke monumenten in Rotterdam is meer dan de helft gewoon op adres.
Ik stel voor dat we nu de Category:Raad van Arbeid (Rotterdam) hernoemen tot Category:Raad van Arbeid-gebouw (Rotterdam). Vervolgens kunnen we naar het geheel kijken of het misschien daarna nog beter Category:Schepenstraat 10 (Rotterdam) moet worden. -- Mdd (talk) 17:15, 3 November 2023 (UTC)
- Hoi ErickAgain, in je laatste commentaar leg je wellicht uit hoe je al jaren aan het categoriseren bent. Het levert een mengvorm op, die contrasteert met bijv. de methodiek die bij de straten van Amsterdam worden gehanteerd wordt: dat zijn hoofdzakelijk aanduidingen met straatnaam en adres. Met de opzet van een categorie over de Oude Binnenweg ben ik eens nader gaan kijken, hoe dat eigenlijk (voor mezelf) werk. Mijn conclusie was dat de panden dan weliswaar keurig uit elkaar worden gehouden, maar voor mij bleek dat op termijn niet te werken. Ik wist na een tijdje telkens niet waar ik moest zijn. Hieruit heb ik geconcludeerd, dat voor mij een mengvorm wellicht beter zou werken. Maar wellicht meer op een later tijdstip. mvg. -- Mdd (talk) 02:50, 28 November 2023 (UTC)
Locatie
editBij een aantal door mij geüploade figureren heb je de locatie verwijderd. Het argument hiervoor is dat het geen cameralocatie is. Maar het zijn wel gegevens van de locatie. Als die info niet onder het hoofdje “cameralocatie” mag staan, waar zet moet ik die info dan plaatsen? HJVerhagen (talk) 15:46, 1 February 2024 (UTC)
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