File talk:Vietnam location map.svg

I'm far from beeing an expert in Vietnam. I miss Lai Chau province, though. The map shows that province entirely as beeing a part of Điện Biên Province. Please check this issue. --TUBS 11:49, 29 September 2011 (UTC)

[OK] The new map has been updated boundaries separating Lai Chau and Dien Bien. View here. --Minh Tâm-T41-BCA (talk) 06:38, 12 April 2013 (UTC)--

also, could it be that Bến Tre Province isn't distinct from Tien Giang province?--TUBS 12:02, 29 September 2011 (UTC)

[OK] The new map: The boundaries separating the provinces of Tien Giang and Ben Tre is Tien river, drawn by the black lead in the end to keep the Tien river. --Minh Tâm-T41-BCA (talk) 06:38, 12 April 2013 (UTC)--

third. Could it be that Dong Thap province stretches further southwest and includes that tiny are that is shown on the map without beeing a province? Cf. Châu Thành District, Đồng Tháp, Lai Vung District, Lấp Vò District.--TUBS 12:02, 29 September 2011 (UTC)

[OK] These maps show the location, just show up to the provincial level. Chau Thanh district, Dong Thap, Lai Vung district, Lap Vo District are district-level administrative units, under provincial. --Minh Tâm-T41-BCA (talk) 06:38, 12 April 2013 (UTC)--

Cần Thơ shouldn't be part of Hau Giang province.--TUBS 12:04, 29 September 2011 (UTC)

[OK] The new maps show the boundaries between Can Tho City and Hau Giang Province. --Minh Tâm-T41-BCA (talk) 06:38, 12 April 2013 (UTC)--

One more was missing, too (won't tell you which one). :o) It's fixed now. NNW (talk) 19:20, 24 October 2011 (UTC)

you are my personal hero! Thx a trillion times.--TUBS 21:21, 24 October 2011 (UTC)

There's still one issue to fix: Hà Tây is now part of Hanoi city.--TUBS 07:16, 26 October 2011 (UTC)

[OK] The new map has removed boundaries between Hanoi citi and Ha Tay province (old). --Minh Tâm-T41-BCA (talk) 06:38, 12 April 2013 (UTC)--

Done. NNW (talk) 08:11, 26 October 2011 (UTC)

Thx again. What a pitty I found that issue that late. And don't be surprised: I could have done it on my own. However, I think it's better that I report the matter and someone else (in this case you) checks this issue and fixes the map. Like Germans say: four eyes do see more than just two.--TUBS 08:19, 26 October 2011 (UTC)

Two peninsulas in Khanh Hoa province are not filled out. Zwei Halbinslen in der Region Khanh Hoa sind nicht ausgefüllt.--TUBS 19:53, 23 January 2012 (UTC)

[OK] Two peninsulas and the islands (large) Khanh Hoa province has been fully displayed. --Minh Tâm-T41-BCA (talk) 06:38, 12 April 2013 (UTC)--

Likewise one more in the river delta east of Ho Chi Minh City. Gleiches gilt für eine der Halbinsel im Delta östlich von Ho-Chi-Minh-Stadt.--TUBS 20:52, 23 January 2012 (UTC)

[OK] The delta region in southeast of Ho Chi Minh City has been full display.--Minh Tâm-T41-BCA (talk) 06:38, 12 April 2013 (UTC)--

Manchmal hasse ich Illustrator. Danke, ist korrigiert. NNW (talk) 12:07, 25 January 2012 (UTC)

Hallo, kannst du, NNW, die neuesten Änderungen interpretieren?. Was sind denn das für Inseln? Sind das die umstrittenen de:Paracel-Inseln & de:Spratly-Inseln? (Sollte man die dann überhaupt aufführen, wenn umstritten bzw. soweit überseeisch?). Sind die überhaupt korrekt eingezeichnet? Muss man nicht dann zumindest die Koordinaten der Einklinkerkarten in der Beschreibung aufführen? Kann man die Koordinaten überhaupt nachträglich ermitteln? Treffe dein Urteil. Vielleicht kann man diese Karte - die ich allgemein für nützlich halte - bei Nichtgefallen als Alternativkarte abspeichern? Hintergrund der Frage: Es geht natürlich um die Lagekarten, die ebenfalls alle verändert wurden und ich noch nicht weiß was ich davon halten soll...--TUBS 10:17, 11 April 2013 (UTC)

Sorry for not applying English from the start: Here comes the translation: «What's up, NNW? Have you made up your mind up about recent changes. What islands are shown? Is it disputed Paracel-Islands along with Spratley.Islands? (Are they supposed to be shown anhyhow due to the fact they are disputed and so way off from the coast?). Is the map correctly drawn? What about the missing coordinates of both mini maps? Is s.o. able to add missing coordinates? Please make a suggestion how to deal with these change. In general, I appreciate the changes a lot. However, is it an option to keep it as an an alternative map if you don't favor changes? I'm commenting on the changes, because of my provincial locator maps that were changed likewise and I'm not sure wether to oppose or to favor recent changes.»--TUBS 12:27, 12 April 2013 (UTC)

Re: Because the issue of national sovereignty of these islands should also disputed the author of this map was to the individual boxes, not including the main territorial map. If you have ascertained to sovereignty is not in a separate box. As you can see. --Minh Tâm-T41-BCA (talk) 06:38, 12 April 2013 (UTC)--

Moin! Ich vermute mal, dass das Paracel- und Spratly-Inseln sind und will auch noch nachfragen, wenn in den nächsten Tagen nichts dazu kommt. Entweder kommen die Koordinaten für die Einklinker oder die Einklinker verschwinden, weil sie nicht zu gebrauchen sind. NNW 16:50, 11 April 2013 (UTC)

OK. Ich beobachte erst mal die weitere Entwicklung hier. Wenn das hier revertiert wird, werde ich bei den Lagekarten wohl ähnlich verfahren. --TUBS 22:12, 11 April 2013 (UTC)

Re: This is a map showing the location, can not display coordinates. If the coordinates displayed correctly, it will become the official map. And the location of the dispute would create a debate. --Minh Tâm-T41-BCA (talk) 06:38, 12 April 2013 (UTC)--

Please using English for discussion. Thanks.--Cheers! (talk) 01:30, 12 April 2013 (UTC)

Tôi sửa tuân thủ chi tiết theo nguồn này. Tôi chỉ biết tiếng Việt nên ko trả lời đc. Mong các bạn lượng thứ. Lưu Ly (talk) 07:04, 12 April 2013 (UTC)

We uploaded new version of this map which included en:Paracel Islands & en:Spratly Islands in two small squares. They are currently in the territorial dispute over the ownership of some countries. User Lưu Ly modified this map according to this source. Fansipan F (talk) 07:22, 12 April 2013 (UTC)

I support the usage of this file.Trongphu (talk) 07:18, 12 April 2013 (UTC)

It is completely okay to show Paracel and Spratly Islands. But first of all this is a location map for templates. It must be possible to use this map for Paracel and Spratly Islands, too. For this we need to know the coordinates for the two special maps. Please have a look at the file description of file:Japan location map with side map of the Ryukyu Islands.svg or file:Norway Svalbard location map.svg. Both maps have side maps beside the main map. For these the file description name the coordinates. Otherwise these side maps cannot be used and they would become senseless. So there are two questions:

• Do these side maps have the correct map projection for a location map (equirectangular projection)?
• Which coordinates do the templates need so that the side maps can be used?

If you are not sure especially about the first question I would suggest to rework this map. NNW 08:21, 12 April 2013 (UTC)

Hi NNW, please wait for me to add coordinates. Thank you. Lưu Ly (talk) 14:01, 12 April 2013 (UTC)

I agree that the map should show where the 2 archipelagos are located relative to mainland Vietnam. The 2 insets alone, while inclusive, are not sufficient. Ideally I think a good example is the map of India as illustrated here [1] showing the federal states and the more distant territories of the Nicobar, Andaman, Lakshadweep as insets but still framed within the larger national map. Duyệt-phố (talk) 23:40, 12 April 2013 (UTC)

Done. Lưu Ly (talk) 06:52, 13 April 2013 (UTC)

I didn't mean coordinates inside the map. It is important to have coordinates for the use as a location map. If I want to place a dot in mainland Vietnam I know that have to use the coordinates

• N: 24.0° N
• S: 8.0° N
• W: 101.8° E
• E: 110.3° E

But which coordinates do I have to take if I want to place a dot on Spratly Islands? We need bordering coordinates not only for mainland Vietnam but also for the two insets. And then the location map templates in all Wikipedias have to be modified. NNW 10:40, 13 April 2013 (UTC)

Done. Lưu Ly (talk) 11:44, 13 April 2013 (UTC)

If the coordinates in this version are correct, this cannot be correct. NNW 17:12, 13 April 2013 (UTC)

Stretched by 41.6%. Fixed Lưu Ly (talk) 03:39, 14 April 2013 (UTC)

I'm sorry but I fear you don't understand which data is necessary for the location map templates. I would suggest to go back to the April 13rd, 16:49 version because it looks better than the version now. And then I will try to find out the correct coordinates. We must come to an end. This map is widely used in several Wikipedias and it is not good that this map has been changed so many times in such a short time. NNW 10:13, 14 April 2013 (UTC)

NNW can view this map and help me fix File:Vietnam location map.svg ? Lưu Ly (talk) 10:41, 14 April 2013 (UTC)

I'll try. This other map, which projection does it have? This is the key question for location maps. Vietnam location map.svg is an en:equirectangular projection and Spratly/Paracel Island need to have an equirectangular projection, too. NNW 11:06, 14 April 2013 (UTC)

Before uploading new versions again and again: Do the mini maps of the islands have the correct projection? NNW 11:43, 14 April 2013 (UTC)

Stretched by 52 and 41.6%. Lưu Ly (talk) 12:08, 14 April 2013 (UTC)

Yes, but which projection? NNW 12:12, 14 April 2013 (UTC)

I do not quite understand but I think so, because I drew it by File:Pf-map.gif and [2] ---[3]. Lưu Ly (talk) 12:42, 14 April 2013 (UTC)

(Translate: Lưới chiếu của bản đồ là gì?)--Voyageditor (talk) 05:50, 19 April 2013 (UTC)

@Lưu Ly: Có phản bạn dùng hệ quy chiếu WGS84 và lưới chiếu UTM múi 48 và 49 bắc của Việt Nam không? hay bạn dùng lưới chiếu VN2000?--Voyageditor (talk) 05:50, 19 April 2013 (UTC)

Cám ơn Voyageditor đã dịch. Thực sự có những mâu thuẫn trong các bản đồ, nguyên nhân là do thiếu một "bản đồ đầy đủ" để tham chiếu. Có lẽ NNW cũng đang thắc mắc điều này. Tôi đang nghĩ hướng giải quyết và hy vọng đáp ứng phần lớn những yêu cầu. Lưu Ly (talk) 02:17, 20 April 2013 (UTC)

-- Thực sự cần một phiên dịch . Lưu Ly (talk) 12:42, 14 April 2013 (UTC)

Concerning my locator maps of vietnamese provinces, I reverted changes done by Lưu Ly, cause they don't match this location map file. Please make both map typs alike (if the issue discussed above is solved) or save your alternative map desings as a new file (w/new filename). --TUBS 10:26, 22 September 2013 (UTC)

I know that I have to update this map. The coordinates for the islands which were inserted by Lưu Ly are wrong this way and cannot be used in location map templates. It is on my to-do-list. I hope I can do it in the next weeks. NNW 12:25, 22 September 2013 (UTC)

Hope you understood, that this wasn't meant a comment to File:Vietnam location map.svg in first place. So please don't hurry NNW. I just tried explain to Lưu Ly why I reverted the locator maps. If File:Vietnam location map.svg was finalized, you could again adapt the locator maps (or save alternatives as new files) so that they match exactly the then fixed location map. If location maps and locator maps match, both could equally be used for automatic location markers. And some Wikipedias actually use that option a lot. --TUBS 09:11, 23 September 2013 (UTC)

Add South Vietnam pre-1975 SVG location map series

More South Vietnam pre-1975 SVG location map series needed. They should be based on the adminstrative map of Vietnam as in below:

Map of South Vietnam