Commons:Deletion requests/Files in Category:Stfp.net

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Files in Category:Stfp.net

You can use the images from this site for whatever purpose you may want - recreational, educational, commercial - without any limitation or restriction, without the obligation of mentioning the source and without the need for a previous consent of mine; also you can edit them, repost them on other sites and so on without any limitation. The images were not modified to contain a logo or a text with my site name. In short: Images are public domain, enjoy them!
— http://ratt.stfp.net/?la=E

Looks OK, but there are no any words about the permissions from authors. Mr. Stefan Puscasu, the creator of this Romanian website, of course, can donate his own works, but how can he donate not own? Photos on this site created by different people and sended to Mr. Puscasu.

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* File:217-Dp-D2 1.jpg

Kobac (talk) 11:09, 27 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose. I uploaded some of those files to Commons myself, and before doing so, I wondered the same thing, because I am very careful about proper licensing. But I found this page on Mr. Puscasu's site, where the following line appears: "I can only accept pictures from their authors; the shots must be free of any restrictions and the author must allow them to be used in any way by anyone". So, he says that people who donate photos must be their authors (copyright holders), and they must allow their free use by anyone without restriction. That seems clear enough to me, and that statement has been on the website for years (I can attest), presumably since its launch in 2005. Steve Morgan (talk) 11:28, 27 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- OK, but what about the descriptions of these files? There are no direct links, author's names and other information in most of them, so anyway we can't keep them. Of course, you can exlude files uploaded by you from this list if its descriptions are not doubtful. Kobac (talk) 11:47, 27 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  - Then the descriptions must be updated, not deleted. It's not that hard, if you can't handle the site with Google translate just let me know what files you want updated. I doubt this applies to "most" of them. As you can see, I've passed through all of the pictures and only a few were in that situation.--Strainu (talk) 11:58, 27 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
    - Hm, in this situation we need to place {{No source since}} to them. Kobac (talk) 12:10, 27 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. If images were uploaded to the site on the understanding that they were being placed into public domain, then there is no rationale for deletion. Useddenim (talk) 11:37, 27 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

It's very simple: he requires it in the donation form. So every picture from ratb.stfp.net (and subdomains for other cities) IS in the PD.

However, it's a whole different story with the locomotives site. The disclaimer in the lower part of the page says that the pictures from other authors should be used only for non-commercial purposes, but the upload page (click on "click aici" from the last line in the page if the link doesn't take you to a form) has a big disclaimer saying: "the photos you are uploading will become public domain". I will write to Stefan to clarify this, but in the event the text on the first page is correct, the following images will need to be deleted (I checked every one of them manually):

Do note that most of them can be replaced with PD images from the same site, but the new images might be lower-quality images, therefore I prefer to clarify this with an OTRS ticket.--Strainu (talk) 11:54, 27 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose - Per Steve Morgan and Strainu.--Codrin.B (talk) 17:53, 27 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose - per previous commenters. While this is annoying, at least the pictures will now be safe from something similar happening in the future. Mr.choppers (talk) 20:13, 27 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

We have received an answer regarding this issue for Stefan Puscasu (OTRS ticket #2012022710007569). He states that for the public transport photos, the notice regarding the PD has been prosent from the begining, so they should be considered as such.

For the photos of locomotives, only his pictures can be considered as being certainly in the public domain. I have already updated some of the images from my previous messages with free equivalents (crossed above) and also updated the template with the ticket. I am now looking to contact the remaining authors about their pictures.--Strainu (talk) 13:27, 28 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I thought Mr. Puscasu already asked on his site to all authors to allow these pictures under a PD license, per Steve Morgan's detail above. But if there is still something missing here needed to cover some of those pictures, can he (or us) contact the authors of the remaining pictures and make sure they offer them as PD? It would be a pity to lose them for technicalities, when they already seem 99% PD.--Codrin.B (talk) 16:56, 28 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Steve Morgan's comments refer to the public transport site (e.g. buses, trolleys and trams). The locomotives' site is a different story. Basically, new photos are PD, but there is no official record kept for which authors approved this kind of license and which did not. I'm working on contacting the remaining authors to get the rights for these images.--Strainu (talk) 17:44, 28 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

3 more pictures handled by OTRS tickets.--Strainu (talk) 09:41, 1 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

keep I think Stefan Puscasu deserves a handsome thank you, for thinking about re-use when he started his site. We extend the assumption of good faith to our contributors, and Stefan Puscasu seems just as deserving of that assumption. Geo Swan (talk) 00:45, 26 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I've received permission for 2 more files. This leaves just 2 files for which I don't know if we'll receive an answer from the authors and should probably be deleted. The old version of the files stroke in my list above also need to be deleted (but the files themselves should be kept).--Strainu (talk) 10:39, 31 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Let's do what Strainu said and then close this request. -- Robert Weemeyer (talk) 15:59, 23 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Note to closer: Strainu has replaced the crossed out files in the list above with similar PD images. Normally such replacements are not done (with the new images uploaded separately and replaced with CommonsDelinker) - see COM:OVERWRITE. Rd232 (talk) 13:59, 20 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Kept: It looks like we have OTRS permission for these files FASTILY ^(TALK) 23:39, 9 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]