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Is "cockpit" really an appropriate name for all types of aircraft driving cabs generally? Can flight decks of big airplanes be put under "aircraft cockpits"? ŠJů (talk) 17:49, 5 January 2014 (UTC)
- Please see Commons:Categories for discussion/2014/01/Category:Driving cabs of watercraft
- It IS NOT a good idea to unilaterally rename Category:Aircraft cockpits to Category:Driving cabs of aircraft. Seriously. No. Just don't do it.
- "Cockpit" is a long-established term for the "driving cab"(sic) of aircraft.
- The term "flight deck" is also applied to some larger aircraft. This is not a reason to remove the term "cockpit" from all aircraft and replace it with an invented term, as you did for boats and appear to be trying to repeat here. It is surely not beyond the wit of editors (although I am beginning to doubt this) to understand that more than one term is in use, and to apply them appropriately.
- Andy Dingley (talk) 18:33, 5 January 2014 (UTC)
- You need not to be so emotive. Try rather to give your answers to the asked questions and existing problems, and your proposals.
- If you believe that driving cabs of all types of aircraft can be called "cockpits", bring such your opinion to the discussion and compare with possible opinions of others, with wordbook definitions, expert books etc. If you have some convincing sources supporting your opinion, cite them here. Nobody doubt that "Cockpit" is a long-established term for driving cabs of fighter planes or sport planes. The current name is surely correct for such subcategories. The question is whether the term "cockpit" is established and correct for all aircraft, especially also for flight decks, and whether flight decks can be considered to be a type of cockpits. If yes, such conlusion would be positive for us and the category names can be kept as they are here. If not, then we need to solve the inaccuracy i.e. either rename such affected categories to more general name (to be convenient to the real mixed content) or create the missing parent categories and move the appropriate content to them (and the current "cockpits" categories move to be their subcategories). As I understand you, you preffer the second solution from the two mentioned - but such a solution supposes that somebody will classify and sort all the current content. If (and as long as) the content is not sorted, the category names should be convenient to such mixed content, i.e. should be more general to cover all current content.
- The root category for all driving cabs and driving stands of aircraft (as well as the root category for all driving cabs and driving stands of all vehicles or even all machines) should be surely so general to cover all types of driving cabs and driving stands. The words "driving" and "cab" are not some "invented terms", they are well-known common words which call generally all cabs which are designed for driving something. They seem to be anyhow unintelligible or unusual for you? Do you know some more appropriate "term" to cover the whole item? Or even you mean that different types of driving stands which have different special names in English should not have any common root category in Wikimedia Commons? You contributed repeatedly to the discussion but your constructive answers are not quite evident yet. --ŠJů (talk) 21:40, 5 January 2014 (UTC)
- Don't fail to notice also the discussions about the categories Automobile cockpits and Truck cockpits which are also affected with this problem. You are obviously more familiar with English, your can be helpful. The article Truck doesn't contain the word "cockpit". Do you know some better words to specify the content of the categories which could not be considered as "invented terms"? Do you mean that "cockpit" is an "invented term" for truck cabs or driver's stand of non-racing automobiles? --ŠJů (talk) 21:52, 5 January 2014 (UTC)
- Leave as is, cockpits is an established term in aviation, and covers from little Cessnas right up to the Antonovs. russavia (talk) 05:55, 8 January 2014 (UTC)
- OK, that's what I queried. This discussion can be closed. However, I would like to invite you to discussion about the parent category. --ŠJů (talk) 21:30, 8 January 2014 (UTC)
There is consensus that "cocpits" is a generally suitable word for all types of aircraft. The doubt is overcome, there is no need to rename the category nor create any new paralel or parent category. (Feel free to reopen the discussion if needed.) --ŠJů (talk) 21:41, 8 January 2014 (UTC)
What is the purpose of the category supposed to be? Leyo 21:54, 19 January 2014 (UTC)
Deleted: reported on AN/V - vandalism --Steinsplitter (talk) 22:19, 20 January 2014 (UTC)
The "Community Fischeries Control Agency" does not exist; it was likely misidentified with the "European Fisheries Control Agency". --Int21h (talk) 14:26, 19 January 2014 (UTC)
- Ok, but... Does it not exist?! ;-) --. HombreDHojalata.talk 16:28, 19 January 2014 (UTC)
Deleted, obvious typo. --rimshottalk 00:00, 1 February 2014 (UTC)
empty category created 12/3/2013 Mjrmtg (talk) 15:00, 2 January 2014 (UTC)
No longer empty. Bomazi (talk) 03:09, 3 January 2014 (UTC)
Kept, no longer empty. --rimshottalk 09:53, 1 February 2014 (UTC)
empty category Mercurywoodrose (talk) 06:37, 3 January 2014 (UTC)
- Withdraw creator did upload files, but gave them arabic category names, and then created this eng category. ive united the files with the category. at least we have some images now.Mercurywoodrose (talk) 06:42, 3 January 2014 (UTC)
Kept, not empty anymore. --rimshottalk 20:13, 8 January 2014 (UTC)
This has come up recently: do we provide free webhosting services for nonotable artists? I cannot find any info on this artist, unless he is a student right now. Mercurywoodrose (talk) 06:49, 3 January 2014 (UTC)
Deleted. INeverCry 20:02, 1 February 2014 (UTC)
empty cat, dupe of Category:Binary numeral system Mercurywoodrose (talk) 06:58, 3 January 2014 (UTC)
Deleted. INeverCry 20:05, 1 February 2014 (UTC)
empty category, dupe of ceo Mercurywoodrose (talk) 07:03, 3 January 2014 (UTC)
Delete Motopark (talk) 07:39, 3 January 2014 (UTC)
Deleted. INeverCry 20:05, 1 February 2014 (UTC)
delete as dupe of Category:Export (cigarettes) Mercurywoodrose (talk) 07:09, 3 January 2014 (UTC)
Deleted. INeverCry 20:06, 1 February 2014 (UTC)
this is just a complete mess, a category for all file talk pages, with one entry, and not categorized. I dont think we are ready to actually use this category. Mercurywoodrose (talk) 07:12, 3 January 2014 (UTC)
- Delete, Special:AllPages should work good enough. --rimshottalk 20:20, 8 January 2014 (UTC)
Deleted, as per nom. Also, this was empty after deleting the only entry, which looked like it was accidentally created. --rimshottalk 09:58, 1 February 2014 (UTC)
contents will always be inherently a copyright violation, as derivative works of copyrighted toys Mercurywoodrose (talk) 07:31, 3 January 2014 (UTC)
Deleted. INeverCry 20:07, 1 February 2014 (UTC)
we are not a social networking site, this is a category used as a personal web page and resume Mercurywoodrose (talk) 07:34, 3 January 2014 (UTC)
- Delete as soon as possible! Totally against policy and scope. --P 1 9 9 ✉ 14:03, 9 January 2014 (UTC)
Deleted, out of scope resume / advertisement as per discussion and empty. --rimshottalk 10:01, 1 February 2014 (UTC)
category thats just an excuse for an unsourced essay. the image is NOT a company logo, but another excuse to ramble on. article at WP is the proper place for any of this stuff, if it can be sourced Mercurywoodrose (talk) 07:44, 3 January 2014 (UTC)
Deleted. INeverCry 20:08, 1 February 2014 (UTC)
empty category, no such images found Mercurywoodrose (talk) 07:47, 3 January 2014 (UTC)
Deleted. INeverCry 20:09, 1 February 2014 (UTC)
misuse of category space for personal communication. wow, people really dont even try to learn what the commons is. Mercurywoodrose (talk) 07:48, 3 January 2014 (UTC)
Deleted as per nom. --rimshottalk 10:04, 1 February 2014 (UTC)
vandalism thats it thats all. friggin useless bastards, probably belgian. Mercurywoodrose (talk) 08:10, 3 January 2014 (UTC)
Deleted, vandalism. --rimshottalk 10:07, 1 February 2014 (UTC)
shouldn't category be named Chevron, Belgium? after looking through several "cities of (various country)" categories I was surprised to find out many cities do not have the country in the name of the category also. Almost all cities in the United States have a state also in their name, same with Canada, browsed some in Mexico and they don't. The category of "Chevron" quite often has gas/petrol stations put in it. Mjrmtg (talk) 12:54, 5 January 2014 (UTC)
- I believe "Chevron" should be made a disambiguation page or something, requiring people to choose the correct category - like "Chevron, Belgium", "Chevron Corporation" --Mjrmtg (talk) 12:56, 5 January 2014 (UTC)
- Agree with Mjrmtg. Let's make this a disambiguation. Because there is also the original meaning: the shape, see Category:Chevrons. For the Belgium municipality, make a new Category:Chevron, Belgium. -- P 1 9 9 ✉ 14:23, 9 January 2014 (UTC)
- Also agree with Mjrmtg: two new categories: Chevron, Belgium and Chevron Corporation. Regards, --Cayambe (talk) 09:57, 2 February 2014 (UTC)
Disambiguated, as per discussion, for the shape, city, vehicles and energy company. --rimshottalk 10:55, 2 February 2014 (UTC)
spelling error, should be deleted. Correctly spelled category is at Category:Cultural heritage monuments in Chemnitz-Grüna dealerofsalvation 06:44, 6 January 2014 (UTC)
- speedy delete [1] per Commons:Deletion_policy#Categories --Anika (talk) 08:30, 6 January 2014 (UTC)
Speedily deleted, bad name. --rimshottalk 19:01, 7 January 2014 (UTC)
The name Kizilovka is no more actual. From 2012 the village has a similar name Kizilovoye (the category with the corect name already exists). Mevo (talk) 14:50, 6 January 2014 (UTC)
Redirected to Category:Kizilovoye. --rimshottalk 00:32, 1 February 2014 (UTC)
empty category JurgenNL (talk) 13:59, 7 January 2014 (UTC)
- Deleted as a duplicate of Category:Ultimate Fighting Championship. Multichill (talk) 11:43, 12 January 2014 (UTC)
Deleted. --rimshottalk 00:35, 1 February 2014 (UTC)
Don't see the point of categorizing large geographic features by such small administrative subdivisions. Many of the large bays of Sulawesi are shared between multiple provinces.Category is empty and is only likely to make searches more tiresome. ELEKHHT 21:50, 8 January 2014 (UTC) Also:
- Category:Bays of West Sulawesi (empty)
- Category:Bays of South Sulawesi (empty)
- Category:Bays of North Sulawesi (empty)
- Category:Bays of Central Sulawesi (currently 3 files, to be upmerged)
Speedily deleted, now redundant empty category I originally created with my bot. Thanks! –Krinkletalk 23:49, 15 January 2014 (UTC)
empty category JurgenNL (talk) 19:39, 15 January 2014 (UTC)
- Newly created Swiss municipality, now filledTobyc75 (talk) 08:06, 22 January 2014 (UTC)
Kept, not empty anymore. --rimshottalk 00:44, 1 February 2014 (UTC)
Again one of those useless category intersections created en-masse years ago, that lays empty, and makes searches more tiresome. ELEKHHT 23:06, 15 January 2014 (UTC) Also:
Speedily deleted, now redundant empty category I originally created with my bot. Thanks! –Krinkletalk 23:49, 15 January 2014 (UTC)
What is the purpose of the category supposed to be? Leyo 21:54, 19 January 2014 (UTC)
Deleted: reported on AN/V - vandalism --Steinsplitter (talk) 22:19, 20 January 2014 (UTC)
Obvious typo. Should be Category:Shop windows in Portugal. -- Tuválkin ✉ 12:51, 26 January 2014 (UTC)
Moved to Category:Shop windows in Portugal as per nom. --rimshottalk 09:42, 1 February 2014 (UTC)
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Duplicate of Category:Gerhard Ludwig Müller. Name in Polish violates naming conventions for categories. --FordPrefect42 (talk) 13:36, 31 January 2014 (UTC)
- Obvious case, use {{Speedy}} next time. Yarl ✉ 20:47, 31 January 2014 (UTC)
Speedily Deleted, as per nom. --rimshottalk 09:46, 1 February 2014 (UTC)
Empty category Andy Mabbett (talk) 11:22, 1 January 2014 (UTC)
Deleted by Jcb TeleComNasSprVen (talk) 18:03, 7 February 2014 (UTC)
blatant advertising, go away Mercurywoodrose (talk) 07:51, 3 January 2014 (UTC)
Deleted: INeverCry 00:15, 7 February 2014 (UTC)
empty cat, dupe of already existing categories (i assume we do have categories for stamps of this time and place, right? i dont have to be sure that we all forgot about hilter somehow, right? Mercurywoodrose (talk) 07:55, 3 January 2014 (UTC)
Deleted: INeverCry 00:13, 7 February 2014 (UTC)
image already categorized properly, i cannot figure out this cat using google Mercurywoodrose (talk) 07:57, 3 January 2014 (UTC)
Deleted: INeverCry 00:16, 7 February 2014 (UTC)
empty category Mercurywoodrose (talk) 07:58, 3 January 2014 (UTC)
Deleted: INeverCry 00:16, 7 February 2014 (UTC)
Kannada for "kanyana Cody", but image is so generic as to be of no use to the project, thus it can be deleted and the category deleted as empty Mercurywoodrose (talk) 08:02, 3 January 2014 (UTC)
Deleted: INeverCry 00:17, 7 February 2014 (UTC)
category used as a promotional page and substitute for article on chinese wikipedia. image is presumably that of an art critic from china, whose name i got from google translate. i guess the image can stay, but we dont need this cat now Mercurywoodrose (talk) 08:09, 3 January 2014 (UTC)
Deleted: INeverCry 00:18, 7 February 2014 (UTC)
Now replaced by the correct name "Centro Historico" Denis Barthel (talk) 12:13, 3 January 2014 (UTC)
Deleted: INeverCry 00:19, 7 February 2014 (UTC)
Delete as redundant. It was a temporary holding category for sorting out pictures, which is now done. -- P 1 9 9 ✉ 19:29, 3 January 2014 (UTC)
Deleted: INeverCry 00:20, 7 February 2014 (UTC)
Delete as redundant. It was a temporary holding category for sorting out pictures, which is now done. -- P 1 9 9 ✉ 19:29, 3 January 2014 (UTC)
Deleted: INeverCry 00:20, 7 February 2014 (UTC)
Delete as redundant. It was a temporary holding category for sorting out pictures, which is now done. -- P 1 9 9 ✉ 19:30, 3 January 2014 (UTC)
Comment Kinda useless to argue since the category was already emptied by @P199: . --Bluemask (talk) 07:05, 7 January 2014 (UTC)
Deleted: INeverCry 00:21, 7 February 2014 (UTC)
Delete. Moved contents to Category:Cappella Niccolina frescos. As with all other painted rooms in the palace, there is no need for medial cat. Danny lost (talk) 01:37, 5 January 2014 (UTC)
Deleted: INeverCry 00:22, 7 February 2014 (UTC)
empty category JurgenNL (talk) 13:47, 6 January 2014 (UTC)
- Delete The creator appears to be an IP sock of AMILTON DE CRISTO (talk · contribs). Jespinos (talk) 16:25, 19 January 2014 (UTC)
Deleted, empty. --rimshottalk 11:04, 2 February 2014 (UTC)
Existed already: Antwerpsestraat (Lier) - please remove - my fault. Queeste (talk) 15:08, 6 January 2014 (UTC)
Deleted: INeverCry 00:23, 7 February 2014 (UTC)
This page is meaningless since Minecraft is copyrighted and therefor not can be screenshots of the game on Wikimedia. 80.161.143.239 19:25, 7 January 2014 (UTC)
Deleted: INeverCry 00:24, 7 February 2014 (UTC)
Category:Photographs of Transfiguration of Our Lord Parish Church of Cavinti by Ramon Velasquez
editDelete as redundant. It was a temporary holding category for sorting out pictures, which is now done. -- P 1 9 9 ✉ 13:44, 9 January 2014 (UTC)
Deleted: INeverCry 00:24, 7 February 2014 (UTC)
Delete as redundant. It was a temporary holding category for sorting out pictures, which is now done. -- P 1 9 9 ✉ 13:45, 9 January 2014 (UTC)
Deleted: INeverCry 00:25, 7 February 2014 (UTC)
Category:Photographs of Poor Clare Monastery of the Blessed Sacrament of Cabuyao by Ramon Velasquez
editDelete as redundant. It was a temporary holding category for sorting out pictures, which is now done. -- P 1 9 9 ✉ 13:45, 9 January 2014 (UTC)
Deleted: INeverCry 00:25, 7 February 2014 (UTC)
Category:Photographs of Saint Polycarp Bishop and Martyr Parish Church of Cabuyao by Ramon Velasquez
editDelete as redundant. It was a temporary holding category for sorting out pictures, which is now done. -- P 1 9 9 ✉ 13:46, 9 January 2014 (UTC)
Deleted: INeverCry 00:26, 7 February 2014 (UTC)
Delete as redundant. It was a temporary holding category for sorting out pictures, which is now done. -- P 1 9 9 ✉ 13:46, 9 January 2014 (UTC)
Deleted: INeverCry 00:27, 7 February 2014 (UTC)
obsolete - empty and not to be filled in predictable future PM (talk) 21:28, 10 January 2014 (UTC)
Deleted: INeverCry 00:27, 7 February 2014 (UTC)
to be deleted - empty and nothing to be put in PM (talk) 22:07, 10 January 2014 (UTC)
Deleted: INeverCry 00:28, 7 February 2014 (UTC)
Falscher Name (Typo) - vgl. Category:Rathaus Schwyz. Schofför (talk) 10:33, 11 January 2014 (UTC)
Deleted, as per nom. --rimshottalk 11:11, 2 February 2014 (UTC)
empty category Dinosaur918 (talk) 21:01, 11 January 2014 (UTC)
Deleted: INeverCry 00:29, 7 February 2014 (UTC)
It's empty. Luispihormiguero Any problem? 21:52, 11 January 2014 (UTC)
Deleted: INeverCry 00:29, 7 February 2014 (UTC)
The parent category Category:Red seven segment display illustrations contains already all of the images in this category - and has the better name. Thus Template:7-Segment-Info (which fills this category) shall be adapted and this category shall be deleted. Torsch (talk) 14:32, 12 January 2014 (UTC)
The Category:Red seven segment display illustrations has been created by User:Crissov in may 2013 after my creating of Category:Seven segment display illustrations/RedSet, then he moved Category:Seven segment display illustrations/RedSet into Category:Red seven segment display illustrations and added all images to his new category, which results in the duplicate. So what doing? I'vo no problem with "Red seven segment display illustrations" instead of "Seven segment display illustrations/RedSet", when there is an information, that the images are a "closed group" and that no other images shoudt be added. I've adjusted the template and undone the manual changes. so, the Category:Seven segment display illustrations/RedSet is empty and can be deleted. Antonsusi (talk) 22:03, 19 January 2014 (UTC)
Deleted: INeverCry 00:30, 7 February 2014 (UTC)
empty category, no files found here that are from it. Mercurywoodrose (talk) 16:51, 13 January 2014 (UTC)
- I had created it as a reminder for a title to be used by an it.wikt user for some illustrations extracted by a DjVu book, but obviously it's stuck. No problem with deleting it if it's confusing, we can always recreate. --Nemo 18:23, 21 January 2014 (UTC)
Deleted: INeverCry 00:31, 7 February 2014 (UTC)
Empty category. JurgenNL (talk) 19:41, 15 January 2014 (UTC)
- Newly created municipality. Now filled.Tobyc75 (talk) 05:30, 22 January 2014 (UTC)
Kept, not empty anymore. --rimshottalk 17:59, 2 February 2014 (UTC)
Empty category JurgenNL (talk) 19:46, 15 January 2014 (UTC)
Deleted: INeverCry 00:32, 7 February 2014 (UTC)
Bandung is an inland city, has no bays. ELEKHHT 00:06, 16 January 2014 (UTC) Also:
Deleted: INeverCry 00:32, 7 February 2014 (UTC)
Commons:Deletion requests/Files uploaded by Priyabanerjee depopulated the category. As it is no longer needed I recommend deletion. It is linked to by en:Priyabanerjee so that will need to be removed if the category is deleted. Davidwr (talk) 04:20, 17 January 2014 (UTC)
Deleted: INeverCry 00:33, 7 February 2014 (UTC)
Ошибочное название, пустая. Удалить kosun (talk) 04:55, 17 January 2014 (UTC)
Deleted: INeverCry 00:34, 7 February 2014 (UTC)
Empty category. Kevin Rutherford (talk) 00:13, 18 January 2014 (UTC)
Deleted: INeverCry 00:34, 7 February 2014 (UTC)
Nonspecific OA journal created category. Nanite (talk) 12:04, 19 January 2014 (UTC)
Deleted: INeverCry 00:35, 7 February 2014 (UTC)
weird vandalism category Nanite (talk) 12:13, 19 January 2014 (UTC)
Deleted: INeverCry 00:36, 7 February 2014 (UTC)
general physics sounds like the name of a first year physics course, not a media category. Nanite (talk) 12:22, 19 January 2014 (UTC)
- Delete Agree, it doesn't seem to have any more use than Category:Physics. Rodhullandemu (talk) 15:29, 19 January 2014 (UTC)
Deleted: INeverCry 00:36, 7 February 2014 (UTC)
Empty user category. TeleComNasSprVen (talk) 16:19, 21 January 2014 (UTC)
Deleted: INeverCry 00:37, 7 February 2014 (UTC)
This person's name is spelled "Bharara" - see en:Preet Bharara... Blue Rasberry (talk) 00:34, 22 January 2014 (UTC)
- Oh yeah! My mistake. I did use the correct spelling in DEFAULTSORT function. But somehow goofed up here. You could have gone with speedy deletion too. §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {T/C} 04:10, 22 January 2014 (UTC)
Deleted by Jcb TeleComNasSprVen (talk) 01:21, 11 February 2014 (UTC)
Misspelled by me. New Created I99pema (talk) 06:19, 22 January 2014 (UTC)
Deleted: INeverCry 00:37, 7 February 2014 (UTC)
Better Category:Starlings (architecture) see discussion on en [2] Empty category. Traumrune (talk) 12:46, 24 January 2014 (UTC)
Deleted by Dschwen TeleComNasSprVen (talk) 01:22, 11 February 2014 (UTC)
Category for copyrighted screenshots JurgenNL (talk) 13:56, 26 January 2014 (UTC)
Deleted: INeverCry 00:40, 7 February 2014 (UTC)
Category for copyrighted screenshots JurgenNL (talk) 13:58, 26 January 2014 (UTC)
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Category for copyrighted screenshots JurgenNL (talk) 13:58, 26 January 2014 (UTC)
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Category for copyrighted screenshots JurgenNL (talk) 13:58, 26 January 2014 (UTC)
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Category for copyrighted screenshots JurgenNL (talk) 13:59, 26 January 2014 (UTC)
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Category for copyrighted screenshots JurgenNL (talk) 13:59, 26 January 2014 (UTC)
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Category for copyrighted screenshots JurgenNL (talk) 13:59, 26 January 2014 (UTC)
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Category for copyrighted screenshots JurgenNL (talk) 13:59, 26 January 2014 (UTC)
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Category for copyrighted screenshots JurgenNL (talk) 13:59, 26 January 2014 (UTC)
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Category for copyrighted software JurgenNL (talk) 14:01, 26 January 2014 (UTC)
Deleted by INeverCry TeleComNasSprVen (talk) 01:23, 11 February 2014 (UTC)
empty, uncategorized Themightyquill (talk) 21:00, 30 January 2014 (UTC)
- Looks like this has been replaced by Category:Bowling Ball Beach, and I don't any other Bowling Ball Beaches, so I'm fine with deleting. --Auntof6 (talk) 02:45, 31 January 2014 (UTC)
Deleted by Jcb TeleComNasSprVen (talk) 18:07, 7 February 2014 (UTC)
empty, uncategorized Themightyquill (talk) 21:00, 30 January 2014 (UTC)
Deleted by Jcb TeleComNasSprVen (talk) 18:04, 7 February 2014 (UTC)
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Reasons for discussion request -- Category:Hercules (Company) gets confused with Category:Hercules Powder Company and Category:Hercules (Corporation). There's a disambig page for Hercules. Should one or more of these categories be renamed? Djembayz (talk) 20:03, 26 January 2014 (UTC)
Deleted: INeverCry 19:24, 24 February 2014 (UTC)
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This category was obviously created in the error. There is no Middle Geyser Basin in Yellowstone. The one image that this category contained has been moved to Category:Midway Geyser Basin which is the correct name of the Geyser basin. --Mike Cline (talk) 13:53, 19 January 2014 (UTC)
- In that case I would think there was no need for discussion in order to delete it. - Jmabel ! talk 18:34, 19 January 2014 (UTC)
Deleted, bad name. --rimshottalk 21:11, 27 February 2014 (UTC)
This category should be moved to Category:Andrés Bonifacio, the correct spelling (see en:Andrés Bonifacio). Rahul Bott (talk) 05:46, 1 January 2014 (UTC)
Redirected to Category:Andrés Bonifacio, as per nom. --rimshottalk 21:17, 27 February 2014 (UTC)
too close to, thus upmerge to, Category:Punk rock groups from the United Kingdom Mercurywoodrose (talk) 07:07, 3 January 2014 (UTC)
- After removing the overcategorization from the Sex-Pistols-related images, there were only three images left, which I moved to Category:Punk rock groups from the United Kingdom. --rimshottalk 21:31, 27 February 2014 (UTC)
Upmerged to Category:Punk rock groups from the United Kingdom. --rimshottalk 21:31, 27 February 2014 (UTC)
upmerge to Category:Images or diffuse. this is portuguese for Image. wow, an editor really didnt think we had a category for images... Mercurywoodrose (talk) 07:50, 3 January 2014 (UTC)
Merged to Category:Images. I have put the handful of images for which I could tell what they were about into suitable categories and added {{Uncategorized}} to the others. --rimshottalk 21:58, 27 February 2014 (UTC)
empty category JurgenNL (talk) 20:15, 5 January 2014 (UTC)
Kept, not empty anymore. --rimshottalk 22:01, 27 February 2014 (UTC)
It nees to be deleted. Correct category is "Google Art Project works by Vincent van Gogh" (n.b. issue is "van" rather than "Van"), which has many files. I recategorised to that the single file in this category and now ask it is deleted. Jennie Matthews 97 (talk) 22:52, 7 January 2014 (UTC)
- a redirect is sufficient, see Commons:Rename a category--Oursana (talk) 01:55, 8 January 2014 (UTC)
- OK - I'll have a go. Thanks. Jennie Matthews 97 (talk) 23:09, 8 January 2014 (UTC)
- Ah, I see you did it. Thanks. Jennie Matthews 97 (talk) 23:10, 8 January 2014 (UTC)
- OK - I'll have a go. Thanks. Jennie Matthews 97 (talk) 23:09, 8 January 2014 (UTC)
Keep as category redirect. --P 1 9 9 ✉ 14:30, 9 January 2014 (UTC)
- deleted HotCat picks up the upper or lower case 'v so it is superfluous. — billinghurst sDrewth 10:24, 23 February 2014 (UTC)
Deleted: INeverCry 19:22, 24 February 2014 (UTC)
Playgrounds many times are found in parks but I don't believe "Playgrounds in each state" should be sub-categories of "Parks in each state", the same can be said for "Playgrounds in country", the shouldn't be sub-categories of "Parks in country". I have several photos in Category:Playgrounds in Georgia (U.S. state) of playgrounds at restaurants (File:Burger King, Watson Blvd, Warner Robins.JPG, File:McDonald's Bemiss Rd.JPG). I'm sure I could take photos of playgrounds at hotels. These are reasons why Playgrounds shouldn't be under Parks as it is currently. I see some countries they are under "Recreation in " and some under "Entertainment venues in" and some under "Structures in". Mjrmtg (talk) 23:05, 8 January 2014 (UTC)
Removed the park category, as playgrounds aren't parks, nor are they all in parks. --rimshottalk 22:15, 27 February 2014 (UTC)
Misspelled 1st name, should be "Darington Hobson" see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darington_Hobson Arbor to SJ (talk) 07:43, 12 January 2014 (UTC)
Moved to Category:Darington Hobson, as per nom. For such obvious cases you can also use {{Badname}}. --rimshottalk 22:24, 27 February 2014 (UTC)
Pushpa Ratna Sagar is the name of a person and not a category. Request speedy deletion. Karrattul (talk) 17:06, 22 January 2014 (UTC)
- There are many such categories on commons. Their usefulness is to gather various files. For instance, see Category:Alfred Sisley or Category:Ogyen Trinley Dorje.--Rédacteur Tibet (talk) 20:28, 22 January 2014 (UTC)
Kept, this is the name of a person and the name of the category about that person. This isn't a very complicated concept. --rimshottalk 22:31, 27 February 2014 (UTC)
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I think was the creator was aiming for the color ("a moderate purple") as the Japanese descriptor reads "Category of amethyst purple color is observed in particular".Google translate As the category is currently named, it is redundant to both the definition of amethyst ("a clear purple or bluish-purple stone that is used as a gem")Merriam-Webster and Category:Amethysts. I believe it should be renamed to Category:Amethyst (color) (note the singular) in line with other color categories, i.e., Category:Amaranth (color), Category:Lilac (color) and Category:Magenta (colour), with a nice little color sample for a guide. Alternately the whole category could be emptied and deleted. --71.234.215.133 17:13, 22 January 2014 (UTC)
- This can be closed. I emptied the cat (all the items were gemstone amethysts) and have proposed a move on the category's talk page. 71.234.215.133 22:48, 12 February 2014 (UTC)
Moved images of actual amethysts to Category:Amethysts and deleted as empty. --rimshottalk 15:05, 2 March 2014 (UTC)
De categorie was onzin. De naam van de categorie is een gedeelte van de naam van een wijk of eventueel de naam van een hotel/restaurant. De afbeeldingen die in de categorie stonden en de categoriebeschrijving gingen echter over woningen die tegenover het hotel stonden en zeker niet deze naam hebben. Meerdervoort (talk) 20:33, 30 January 2014 (UTC)
Deleted: INeverCry 19:20, 24 February 2014 (UTC)
Needs merging with Category:Models (people). TeleComNasSprVen (talk) 11:36, 31 January 2014 (UTC)
Redirected to Category:Models, contents moved to Category:Models (people). --rimshottalk 22:40, 27 February 2014 (UTC)
Proper location is Dryopteris × boottii as fern is a hybrid species. Choess (talk) 02:53, 1 January 2014 (UTC)
Shouldn't Category:Dryopteris boottii be changed to a {{Synonym taxon category redirect}} pointing to Category:Dryopteris × boottii? -- Nonenmac (talk) 03:15, 1 January 2014 (UTC)
Redirected as per Nonenmac. --rimshottalk 15:13, 2 March 2014 (UTC)
When did we start using commas to indicate a decimal point? Also why was the previous Category:Bentley 4½-litre Supercharged 1929 deleted without discussion? Andy Dingley (talk) 02:58, 1 January 2014 (UTC)
I had categories categorized from [commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:UncategorizedCategories&limit=2000&offset=0 here], then have yann, written on my talk page following and I responded:
Hello, It is not a good idea to have characters such as ½ in a category name. This one should be renamed. Regards, User:Yann(Diskussion) 16:48, 31 December 2013 (UTC) :Hello, it´s always good to read, I don´nt have created the category. :) But I´ll see. Regards --Jean11 (Diskussion) 16:57, 31 December 2013 (UTC) There are 44 cats with 1/2 1/4, a lot of fun. --Jean11 (Diskussion) 17:03, 31 December 2013 (UTC)
"lot of fun" thinks a lot of work. With the comma was a mistake because it is made in germany. "Yann:This one should be renamed". Since user:yann is an commons administrator, I think, what he says is true. And delete and rename is a different. --Jean11 (talk) 10:36, 1 January 2014 (UTC)
- Hello,
- Yes, I think that ½ should not be used in a category name, but a redirect is OK. Would Category:Bentley 4.5-litre Supercharged 1929 would be OK for you? Regards, Yann (talk) 11:53, 1 January 2014 (UTC)
- Why do we not have "½" in a category name? Does it cause risk of fire? Earthquake? Increased risk of cancer in the State of California?
- You mention redirects. Would that be from 4½ to 4.5, or from 4.5 to 4½? Assuming that the "problem" with ½ is the lack of a ½ key on keyboards, then the redirect should be from 4.5 to 4½ (as the canonical name) – yet I suspect that the changes discussed here have been to use 4.5 as the "approved" target and 4½ just as a compromise for the curmudgeonly.
- The WP article is at en:Bentley 4½ Litre Do we need to rename that too? For if ½ is so technically unworkable under MediaWiki that we have to rename it on sight at Commons, then that same technical problem is surely going to affect en:WP too. If it works at WP, then is there really any technical problem with such a name at Commons? Andy Dingley (talk) 13:12, 1 January 2014 (UTC)
- What does not seem to be understood is that to change ½ to 0,5 or whatever is to change the name of the object(s) concerned. These are well-known names for well-known objects once internationally famous. I may not sound very angry so I must tell you I am. You wish to increase obscurity in this area? This is what you are doing. Eddaido (talk) 01:37, 2 January 2014 (UTC)
- Renaming a car (especially a famous car, but the point would be valid also for something more obscure) in retrospect simply for the convenience of the software seems to me to be the wrong way round. The software should be a servant, not a master (though in the longer run that battle may be lost...). Renaming a car in retrospect is also likely to fail. You won't get the existing sources to reword themselves, so you simply hasten the loss of the relevant knowledge. You may be relaxed about the loss of knowledge, but surely by contributing to Wikipedia you are already signed up to the idea that some knowledge (even if we disagree about which bits) should be better preserved and disseminated. In the present case we have more complexity because Wikipedia-Commons purports to be international. It works in more than one language. Or wishes to. The English speakers think a decimal point looks like this:"." (ie point/dot/period). The German and French and Swedish and Italian and and an speakers think that a decimal point looks like this "," (ie Komma/comma/virgule...). Before we all used computers, this always presented a challenge when using type-writers abroad. The type-writers have mostly disappeared but the challenge remains. And to descend from the general to the particular, in this case of you banish the ½ for the convenience of the software, you simply rediscover the decimal point challenge. Looks like a lose:lose to me. Happy Year Charles01 (talk) 10:38, 2 January 2014 (UTC)
- What does not seem to be understood is that to change ½ to 0,5 or whatever is to change the name of the object(s) concerned. These are well-known names for well-known objects once internationally famous. I may not sound very angry so I must tell you I am. You wish to increase obscurity in this area? This is what you are doing. Eddaido (talk) 01:37, 2 January 2014 (UTC)
- I don't think it is a lose/lose, but it is tricky. We can deal with the decimal point issue easily -- policy says that Commons categories are in English unless there is a very good reason for another language and the car itself was English, so "4.5" is correct on both counts. The problem is simply that "½" can be typed directly only by those smart enough to remember that it is ALT0189. All the rest of us must go to a symbol table and cut and paste it. So, as a practical matter, almost everybody is actually going to type "4.5" or, perhaps, "4,5" to get to the category. However, there's no reason we should not follow the WP:EN lead and name the category with the "½" symbol, and use redirects from "4.5", as well as from "liter" for those of us across the pond. The search engine will find "4.5" if you type "4,5", so I don't think we need to deal with "4,5" directly.
- So, I think the cat and its parent should be
- with redirects from both "4.5" and "Liter" for both.
- . Jim . . . . (Jameslwoodward) (talk to me) 14:30, 3 January 2014 (UTC)
. Jim . . . . (Jameslwoodward) (talk to me) 14:25, 3 January 2014 (UTC)
- The en.wikipedia article is at "Bentley 4½ Litre" with numerous redirects in place. I don't see why redirects wouldn't work here, whatever the name is. Jonathunder (talk) 15:49, 3 January 2014 (UTC)
- Isn't that exactly what I just said? . Jim . . . . (Jameslwoodward) (talk to me) 16:11, 3 January 2014 (UTC)
- Yes, James, I agree with you and disagree with Yann. Jonathunder (talk) 20:33, 3 January 2014 (UTC)̃̃
- I would agree with Category:Bentley 4½ Litre, as it's a commonname with the Litre capitalised. For Category:Bentley 4½ Litre supercharged, 1930 though, I wouldn't capitalise "supercharged" (AFAIK, they never used that as a model name) and I would have a comma before the 1930 (or brackets), per our usual practice to facilitate the pipe trick.
- Redirects from 4.5 can be added by anyone who feels the urge. However the canonical name (their target) should remain with the ½, even if harder to type. Andy Dingley (talk) 16:18, 3 January 2014 (UTC)
- Restore old Bentley ½, ¼ categories (~44)? And redirects example of Category:Bentley 4.5 Litre to Category:Bentley 4½ Litre? I believe the old was Category:Bentley 4½-litre. I would then transfer the files and create the redirect categories. Or should be changed the old name example Category:Bentley 4½ Litre (as like orginal name (big L and without "-")? See en:Bentley 4½ Litre. Greetings --Jean11 (talk) 17:03, 3 January 2014 (UTC)
- Yes 4½ Litre. Not ½4-litre as used by me. Bentley's large display advertising in London's The Times in the 1920s used the format Bentley 4½ Litre (as like orginal name (big L and without "-") as in en:Bentley 4½ Litre. No capital letter for supercharged which as Andy Dingley says is not a model name but a description. Thanks everyone, Eddaido (talk) 22:28, 3 January 2014 (UTC)
- There are others, see Category:Bentley 4,5-litre (Category:Bentley 4½ Litre).
- Yes 4½ Litre. Not ½4-litre as used by me. Bentley's large display advertising in London's The Times in the 1920s used the format Bentley 4½ Litre (as like orginal name (big L and without "-") as in en:Bentley 4½ Litre. No capital letter for supercharged which as Andy Dingley says is not a model name but a description. Thanks everyone, Eddaido (talk) 22:28, 3 January 2014 (UTC)
- Isn't that exactly what I just said? . Jim . . . . (Jameslwoodward) (talk to me) 16:11, 3 January 2014 (UTC)
- The en.wikipedia article is at "Bentley 4½ Litre" with numerous redirects in place. I don't see why redirects wouldn't work here, whatever the name is. Jonathunder (talk) 15:49, 3 January 2014 (UTC)
It´s better you write the name here and Andy says ok. --Jean11 (talk) 23:58, 3 January 2014 (UTC)
- Hi, if that is addressed to me, I am afraid I don't understand what you mean. regards, Eddaido (talk) 03:10, 4 January 2014 (UTC)
Deleted: by Jcb. INeverCry 19:24, 24 February 2014 (UTC)
To all: How should the remaining subcategories be named?
editTo all: How should the categories in these: Category:Bentley 4½ Litre, Category:Bentley 4¼ Litre and Category:Bentley 3½ Litre be named? Regards --Jean11 (talk) 12:07, 4 January 2014 (UTC) Redirects exits: Category:Bentley 4.5 Litre, Category:Bentley 4.25 Litre and Category:Bentley 3.5 Litre. --Jean11 (talk) 13:31, 5 January 2014 (UTC)
- Category:Bentley 4½ Litre, Category:Bentley 4¼ Litre and Category:Bentley 3½ Litre all look good to me, unless I am missing something obvious here. Presumably where there are sub categories - eg by year as people do with some of the American brands/models - then I guess the sub categories, as far as possible, need to follow the same format - eg Category:Bentley 4½ Litre 1928 if someone has time, though standardizing the subcategories looks like a bigger job simply because we seem to have so many of them - and not all at this stage entirely consistently named. Success Charles01 (talk) 13:57, 4 January 2014 (UTC)
- As above, I'd place a comma before the year, to facilitate the pipe trick. Andy Dingley (talk) 15:04, 4 January 2014 (UTC)
[[:Category:Bentley 4½ Litre 1928|]]-->Bentley 4½ Litre 1928
OK--Jean11 (talk) 15:46, 4 January 2014 (UTC)
- As above, I'd place a comma before the year, to facilitate the pipe trick. Andy Dingley (talk) 15:04, 4 January 2014 (UTC)
Vote for the remaining subcategories
editSuggestion 1
editCategory:Bentley 4½ Litre .... Category:Bentley 4½ Litre .... Category:Bentley 3½ Litre .... (Example: Category:Bentley 4½ Litre Supercharged 1929)
Yes
Suggestion 2
editCategory:Bentley 4½ Litre .... Category:Bentley 4½ Litre .... Category:Bentley 3½ Litre .... (Example: Category:Bentley 4½ Litre supercharged, 1929)
Yes
Suggestion 3
editYes
Rename as Category:Adi Koll. Sources - thesis in Columbia Uni. and Knesset website DGtal (talk) 23:14, 20 January 2014 (UTC)
Moved to Category:Adi Koll as per nom. It would have been quicker if you had provided links. --rimshottalk 20:29, 28 March 2014 (UTC)
Oddly named category with no clear purpose, containing only one image (in which nobody appears to be attempting to provoke any buildings). If the intent is to showcase provocative buildings, then that seems awfully subjective as a basis for categorisation, and it's not clear why it supposedly only applies to this photo and not any of the others in Category:Champ-de-Mars (Paris) or its subcategories, nor is it clear why it's supposedly provocative (or two whom or why). —LX (talk, contribs) 18:45, 26 January 2014 (UTC)
- What is your purpose with this discussion? To me, you just seem to be complain about it (and about my English as well), but you don't take any actions or suggest any to be taken. If you want to change the category name, feel free do so! If you want to add more images to it, you can gladly do so too! If you want to remove the category, you can nominate it for deletion. Or if you want to ask me something about it, please write to me on my talk page. Right now, however, it is unclear what you want to achieve. —Kri (talk) 20:22, 26 January 2014 (UTC)
- What I'd like to achieve is a category structure with meaningful, well-defined categories. I'm open to renaming the category to something more meaningful and well-defined, if that's possible, but since I don't understand the purpose of it, it's hard for me to make a suggestion. Failing that, deletion is probably a reasonable outcome of this discussion. —LX (talk, contribs) 21:37, 26 January 2014 (UTC)
- Speedy delete, even the creator cannot bother to explain what they intended the category to mean, so how can we surmise what it means? Even if has some meaning related to the words provoke or provocative, those are entirely subjective terms that have no place in the category schema. creator complains we are griping about their english (which nominator did not do), while they write their comments to us in perfect english. This is just about the most disingenuous defense by an editor ive yet seen. i would even say its provocative.Mercurywoodrose (talk) 00:47, 10 March 2014 (UTC)
- I'm sorry if you found my comment provocative, I wasn't trying to make it that way. I thought it was obvious that what I meant was provocative, and not provoking; that is why I felt a little bit like LX was trying to be funny, but maybe I just misunderstood him/her. And I'm sorry if it seemed like I put up a defense, I was just trying to explain my thoughts. Maybe I need to try it in a different way next time.
- As of the category deletion, I'm fine with that. It probably didn't make much sense anyway. —Kri (talk) 10:39, 20 April 2014 (UTC)
Deleted, unclear purpose, as per nom. --rimshottalk 20:49, 28 March 2014 (UTC)
It is an incorrectly spelt binomial according to The Kew Plant list of all known plant species. JonRichfield (talk) 17:08, 31 January 2014 (UTC)
- Category:Citrus aurantiifolia already exists as the parent category; so contents moved and category redirected. Jee 18:26, 31 January 2014 (UTC)
Redirected to Category:Citrus aurantiifolia. --rimshottalk 20:53, 28 March 2014 (UTC)
delete. Category:Museo Pio-Clementino - Cortile ottagono had already been more extensive. I merged contents into there. Danny lost (talk) 22:22, 2 January 2014 (UTC)
- Ok for the merge but Category:Museo Pio-Clementino - Cortile ottagono should be moved to Category:Cortile Ottagono as similar categories (Cortile del Belvedere, Cortile della Pigna, Cortile di San Damaso...). --ThePolish 22:33, 2 January 2014 (UTC)
- Good morning. Look at all cats under Category:Museo Pio-Clementino, and also Category:British Museum by room. I think they are more usable this way, although it is a little arbitrary not to couple them with "Vatican palace" or "Musei Vaticani". Do you think of renaming them all? Danny lost (talk) 12:52, 3 January 2014 (UTC)
- Hi. I see that all the categories of the rooms you linked are called in this form "Category:Museum xxx - Room xxx", and it's OK, it's correct. But yesterday I explained you that the exact form for the categories of the squares is "Category:Cortile xxx". You can check this respectively in Category:Museo Pio-Clementino and in Category:Squares in the Vatican City. So, I propose to rename Category:Museo Pio-Clementino - Cortile ottagono in Category:Cortile Ottagono. --ThePolish 14:19, 3 January 2014 (UTC)
- I see now. Ok. Danny lost (talk) 15:45, 3 January 2014 (UTC)
- Fixed, i propose to close the discussion. --ThePolish 17:31, 3 January 2014 (UTC)
- I see now. Ok. Danny lost (talk) 15:45, 3 January 2014 (UTC)
- Hi. I see that all the categories of the rooms you linked are called in this form "Category:Museum xxx - Room xxx", and it's OK, it's correct. But yesterday I explained you that the exact form for the categories of the squares is "Category:Cortile xxx". You can check this respectively in Category:Museo Pio-Clementino and in Category:Squares in the Vatican City. So, I propose to rename Category:Museo Pio-Clementino - Cortile ottagono in Category:Cortile Ottagono. --ThePolish 14:19, 3 January 2014 (UTC)
- Good morning. Look at all cats under Category:Museo Pio-Clementino, and also Category:British Museum by room. I think they are more usable this way, although it is a little arbitrary not to couple them with "Vatican palace" or "Musei Vaticani". Do you think of renaming them all? Danny lost (talk) 12:52, 3 January 2014 (UTC)
Kept, as per User:The Polish. --rimshottalk 08:41, 4 May 2014 (UTC)
Redundant to Category:CY51 Fruitful Bough (ship, 1996)
Also have the following duplicate/empty categories to deal with
Thanks, Nick (talk) 23:05, 2 January 2014 (UTC)
- Is I understand it we've so far been using categories named after license numbers as they are written on the ship's hull, i.e. including dashes, spaces, etc. E.g. From this this image of Fruitful Bough it is apparent that the licence number includes a dash. This practice is also being used by Shipspotting.com [3] (compare "PD 109" vs "LH517"). So I don't see a need for your recategorisation of these ships. I say we keep using the old categories and redirect the categories that have been recently created by Nick. De728631 (talk) 21:24, 3 January 2014 (UTC)
- @De728631: The dash isn't formally part of the vessel's registration number, which is issued on behalf of the UK government by the Marine Management Organisation, and shouldn't be used in the naming of categories, because it's the preference of the boat owner whether or not to include a space, a character in between the letters and numbers, etc. There's a formal list which should be used to determine categorisation [4] and I'd strongly advise we use that list, otherwise you run the risk of having several possible categories with images in each depending on how the registration number was painted on, whether it appears as AB123, AB 123, AB-123, A.B 123, A.B.123, A.B. 123, AB.123 and so on. I'd suggest everything is categorised as it appears on the official MMO lists and categories redirected accordingly if necessary.
- I'd also note, the existing category didn't show up when I searched through Commons - probably because Commons search is a bit rubbish, I only stumbled across it after finding another image on Commons via Google
- Finally, I only created one of the categories, the BA 45 category was made redundant by a category you created, De728631, which I think probably emphasizes the issue of all of us being run round in circles because there's not (yet) a coherent naming strategy for these categories. Nick (talk) 22:43, 3 January 2014 (UTC)
- Alright, I agree with you that as of yet there's no proper system for this at Commons. So by all means let's go with the official sources. We can use {{Category redirect}} on these categories instead of deleting them. De728631 (talk) 05:16, 4 January 2014 (UTC)
Redirected all three as per User:De728631. If you spot any more dangling categories, feel free to add redirects there as well. As Commons search doesn't work very well for short search terms (like license numbers), it can't hurt to have both variants available. --rimshottalk 08:57, 4 May 2014 (UTC)
this is just the dutch term for ferries, so should be upmerged to Category:Ferries in the Netherlands Mercurywoodrose (talk) 06:31, 3 January 2014 (UTC)
- Why should typical Dutch "pontjes" be categorized under an Englished named category? Also a better translation for ferry would be veerboot. And the word veerboot would never be used to describe a pontje. Using English category names makes it very hard for non English speaking Dutch people to correctly categorize. Perhaps Wikipedia could investigate the possibility for multi lingual categories. --Baykedevries (talk) 10:59, 3 January 2014 (UTC)
- I can find no evidence that the Dutch term pontje is particularly unique, representing something different than the english word ferry. example of use from dutch wp:
- Eemdijk is een klein dorp aan de rivier de Eem dat in de gemeente Bunschoten ligt, in de Nederlandse provincie Utrecht. Het dorp telt ongeveer 800 inwoners. Eemdijk is onder de naam Dijkhuizen ontstaan in de vijftiende eeuw, na de aanleg van de zeedijk, die Veen- en Veldendijk heet. Het dorp heeft een pontje, dat op zondag niet vaart. Bij dit pontje nam Drs. P in 1973 het filmpje op voor zijn lied Veerpont
google translate:
- Eemdijk is a small village on the River Eem located in the municipality Bunschoten , in the Dutch province of Utrecht . The village has about 800 inhabitants . Eemdijk originated under the name Dijkhuizen in the fifteenth century , after the construction of the seawall , which Fen and Field Dijk hot. The village has a ferry , which does not fly on Sunday. This ferry Drs . Took P in 1973 the film for his song Ferry
Commons categories are in English, unless the category is based on a word that unique to another language, or is a place name, etc. thats policy, this discussion wont change that. I do wish, however, that there was a way to have category names translate for readers. lots of work, that, it would probably have to be done manually.Mercurywoodrose (talk) 05:42, 5 January 2014 (UTC)
- Conventions can be changed. Maybe it's time for change.
If all photographs of "pontjes" from all over the world would end up in the Ferries category we might not be able to spot the ferries due to excess "pontjes". And as stated before it would be very hard for non English speaking people to find the "pontjes" in their county. Also I don't think there will be much interest from non Dutch people in the Dutch "pontjes" so why us an international language? I vote for change! --Baykedevries (talk) 21:28, 8 January 2014 (UTC)
- Merge to Category:Ferries in the Netherlands. Pontje (singular of pontjes) means "little ferry", and Commons standard is to have English category names. This is not the place to change conventions. Moreover, Commons is international in scope so it is wrong to assume that non-Dutch would not be interested in these photos. --P 1 9 9 ✉ 13:58, 9 January 2014 (UTC)
- Hanging on to established conventions, probably due to system limits, makes it harder for people to find and categorize important images. But lets agree to disagree both on the subject of "pontjes" and the conventions discussion. --Baykedevries (talk) 15:13, 9 January 2014 (UTC)
- Well, consider this: if I want to find an image from India but don't know Hindi, I will never find an image with a Hindi filename, description, and category. That's why we must use an international language. Anyway, like I said, this is not the place to change conventions. -- P 1 9 9 ✉ 15:32, 10 January 2014 (UTC)
- Hanging on to established conventions, probably due to system limits, makes it harder for people to find and categorize important images. But lets agree to disagree both on the subject of "pontjes" and the conventions discussion. --Baykedevries (talk) 15:13, 9 January 2014 (UTC)
Merged to Category:Ferries in the Netherlands as per Mercurywoodrose and User:P199. For the images that had more specific categories already, I have just removed Category:Pontjes. --rimshottalk 15:42, 4 May 2014 (UTC)
Rename to Category:Cappella Niccolina. AS with other cats at Category:Apostolic Palace. Danny lost (talk) 01:39, 5 January 2014 (UTC)
- Frescos are not the only thing in the chapel (altar, windows...). Might have pictures someday --Sailko (talk) 13:27, 11 March 2014 (UTC)
Kept, as per Sailko. --rimshottalk 15:54, 4 May 2014 (UTC)
Category should be deleted - it was created only because of a wrong date information during a mass upload KAS-ACDP (talk) 09:20, 6 January 2014 (UTC)
- Why is not empty, then? --rimshottalk 22:04, 27 February 2014 (UTC)
Deleted, empty after I corrected the year parameter in the source template. --rimshottalk 15:50, 4 May 2014 (UTC)
Category should be deleted - it was created only because of a wrong date information during a mass upload KAS-ACDP (talk) 09:22, 6 January 2014 (UTC)
- Why is not empty, then? --rimshottalk 22:04, 27 February 2014 (UTC)
Deleted, empty after I corrected the year parameter in the source template. --rimshottalk 15:49, 4 May 2014 (UTC)
Category should be deleted - it was created only because of a wrong date information during a mass upload KAS-ACDP (talk) 09:23, 6 January 2014 (UTC)
- Why is not empty, then? --rimshottalk 22:04, 27 February 2014 (UTC)
Deleted, empty after I corrected the year parameter in the source template. --rimshottalk 15:49, 4 May 2014 (UTC)
Needs to be moved to Category:Buildings in Fort Wayne, Indiana for harmony with its parent, Category:Fort Wayne, Indiana. All other subcategories of Category:Buildings in Indiana by city include ", Indiana" in their names, except for Indianapolis, and it's a subcategory of another category that doesn't use ", Indiana". en:WP:USPLACE is also relevant; of course it's not binding on us, but as it notes, only the biggest cities in the USA generally don't include the state name in common usage. "Fort Wayne" by itself isn't as likely to be recognised by Americans and non-Americans, so adding the state name will make this category easier to use for its primary audience. Nyttend (talk) 02:43, 8 January 2014 (UTC)
- Support move, per nom. reasons. Look2See1 (talk) 23:10, 8 January 2014 (UTC)
- Support move, makes perfect sense.Steve46814 (talk) 21:58, 16 February 2014 (UTC)
Moved to Category:Buildings in Fort Wayne, Indiana as per consensus. The redirect should be kept to prevent it from being recreated. --rimshottalk 17:18, 4 May 2014 (UTC)
should be renamed to Category:Universities and colleges in Fargo, North Dakota as there are at least 5 other cities with the name Fargo. Mjrmtg (talk) 13:33, 8 January 2014 (UTC)
- I guess that I started up this category (?), anyway - I have no objections at all against your proposal. Just go ahead as far as I am concerned. Thanks for noticing! Mvh, Bjoertvedt (talk) 15:57, 18 January 2014 (UTC)
- This discussion can be closed, all photos moved to Category:Universities and colleges in Fargo, North Dakota --Mjrmtg (talk) 13:24, 5 April 2014 (UTC)
Redirected, can be made into a disambiguation if we get suitable files from the other Fargos, which I deem highly unlikely. --rimshottalk 16:00, 4 May 2014 (UTC)
Most photos and categories in Category:Brothers should be moved to this category, right? Mjrmtg (talk) 13:01, 9 January 2014 (UTC)
- Comment There is also the newly created category Twin brothers -- SERGIO (aka the Blackcat) 17:19, 19 March 2014 (UTC)
- Comment This discussion can be closed. I've tried to move all appropriate images from Category:Brothers to here. --Mjrmtg (talk) 15:15, 20 March 2014 (UTC)
Done, as per Mjrmtg. --rimshottalk 16:02, 4 May 2014 (UTC)
I think it should be renamed to "SoE (Indonesia)" - to clarify its meaning and avoiding confusion with other "SOE" abbreviations • Jaybear • ...disc. • 09:54, 2 January 2014 (UTC)
- No problem with adding "(Indonesia)", but not "SoE" with large "E". Even id:Soe is writing it with small "e". The large one came from differnet ways of writing like Soë or So’e. Maps with correct writting: [5], [6], [7]. --Patrick (talk) 11:26, 2 January 2014 (UTC)
Moved to Category:Soe (Indonesia). I have left a redirect and not created a disambiguation page, because the risk of confusion should be really low. Should there be more than one use for the abbreviation SOE, Category:SOE could be made into a disambiguation, however. --rimshottalk 19:10, 6 June 2014 (UTC)
The category is almost empty, categorization through Pedestrian crossings by country and its subcategories is sufficient and this category redundant. ŠJů (talk) 05:13, 10 January 2014 (UTC)
- I disagree, it is only almost empty as it is relatively new and should be given the chance to grow Oxyman (talk) 17:56, 1 March 2014 (UTC)
Kept, in use and potential for growth, per Oxyman. Also fits into the Category:Road transport by city tree. --rimshottalk 19:21, 6 June 2014 (UTC)
Categories truly suck, as a feature for organizing material. While some quality control volunteers see us as having a tacit agreement to use one true categorization schema, I believe we have isolated chaotic archipelagoes of incompatble schemas. Under a lot of those schemas, this category would be Category:Construction excavations. Geo Swan (talk) 17:05, 16 January 2014 (UTC)
Moved to Category:Construction excavations. --rimshottalk 19:28, 6 June 2014 (UTC)
Sould be renamed Category:Tram tracks in Porto (or Oporto), to match the rest. There was a recent move to get rid of the weird "Tram rail tracks" phrase, this is a forgotten left over needing fix. -- Tuválkin ✉ 19:46, 27 January 2014 (UTC)
- Sounds resonable =
Support. --JotaCartas (talk) 19:52, 27 January 2014 (UTC) 
Oppose, please start a CFD on Category:Tram rail tracks, I would vote Support there. FDMS 4 13:25, 4 April 2014 (UTC)
Not done, there is no point in renaming one or two of dozens like-named categories. I have opened Commons:Categories for discussion/2014/06/Category:Tram rail tracks for a discussion of the complete tree. --rimshottalk 21:09, 6 June 2014 (UTC)
Sould be renamed Category:Tram tracks in Portugal, to match the rest. There was a recent move to get rid of the weird "Tram rail tracks" phrase; this is a forgotten left over needing fix. -- Tuválkin ✉ 22:07, 27 January 2014 (UTC)
- Match which rest? All child categories of Category:Tram rail tracks by country are called Tram rail tracks in .... Where was that recent move you speak of? --rimshottalk 07:08, 6 March 2014 (UTC) P.S. The main category is Category:Tram rail tracks. --rimshottalk 07:11, 6 March 2014 (UTC)
- While most child categories under Category:Tram rail tracks by country do follow indeed this awkward phrasing, most their grandchild categories do not — those are mostly the city categories, i.e. the most significant semantic nexus of this tree. Most of those were created anew as "Tram tracks", a few others were renamed to match it, and that’s the consensus and what seems better English vis-à-vis the pleonasmic nature of the phrase "Tram rail". -- Tuválkin ✉ 21:41, 6 March 2014 (UTC)
Not done, there is no point in renaming one or two of dozens like-named categories. I have opened Commons:Categories for discussion/2014/06/Category:Tram rail tracks for a discussion of the complete tree. --rimshottalk 21:07, 6 June 2014 (UTC)
Dates in category name reflect only period during which he was mayor of Rotterdam. Dates can be changed to (birth-death) 1814-1889. Dates are used to disambiguate from other politicians with the same name as can be observed on dutch wikipedia. ErickAgain 10:50, 30 January 2014 (UTC)
- You are absolutely right! What was i thinking.... This picture was categorized as " Joost van Vollenhoven" and that category was full of pictures of a much later man. Robert Prummel (talk) 01:03, 31 January 2014 (UTC)
Moved to Category:Joost van Vollenhoven (1814-1889), as per nom. --rimshottalk 21:41, 6 June 2014 (UTC)
YOUTUBE GOOGLE 176.199.4.138 11:27, 7 January 2014 (UTC)
Kept non-sense request. — Preceding unsigned comment added by JuTa (talk • contribs) 19:38, 30 July 2014 (UTC)
Rename to Paintings in the Vatican City. The Irregularity is annoying , and it is clearer that it's not identical with Category:Frescos in the Vatican Museums. Danny lost (talk) 18:55, 3 January 2014 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Ham (talk) 09:51, 31 January 2014 (UTC)
Moved. FDMS 4 09:52, 1 August 2014 (UTC)
Incorrectly named overcategorizing duplicate of Category:Tatra KT8D5 in Prague ŠJů (talk) 22:11, 18 January 2014 (UTC)
- I have removed the COM:OVERCAT created by Sju. This move is unneeded, it is a parallel tree without COM:OVERCAT. Liamdavies (talk) 14:54, 25 January 2014 (UTC)
- I would further add that this CfD: Commons:Categories for discussion/2013/03/Category:Trams in Prague clearly shows support for a parallel tree. Sju has been warring against this tree, but there is nothing systemically incorrect with it, it doesn't create COM:OVERCAT (except for Sju's edits which intentionally create it), and it is supported by a previous CfD. Liamdavies (talk) 15:09, 25 January 2014 (UTC)
- Per SJu, unecesarily difficult system.--Juandev (talk) 13:40, 2 February 2014 (UTC)
- Could you please elaborate on how having all pictures of a certain model of tram in one cat is difficult? And what proposed alternative do you have that satisfies the parallel tree structure endorsed by the previous CfD? Liamdavies (talk) 16:33, 5 February 2014 (UTC)
- Sure, Category:Tatra KT8D5 in Prague is a logic name for this category and alternate proposal to yours.--Juandev (talk) 09:54, 6 February 2014 (UTC)
- But to place all the images in there would create COM:OVERCAT, and they would all be removed owing to their belonging to the child 'by number' tree. Liamdavies (talk) 14:30, 6 February 2014 (UTC)
- No they dont, because this category will be deleted.--Juandev (talk) 19:56, 6 February 2014 (UTC)
- I think you fail to understand COM:OVERCAT or the situation. All of the images in this cat are also in a cat for each vehicle. If they are moved to the parent cat they will all be removed from that cat by Sju as COM:OVERCAT. For example, File:9013 Masarykovo Bahnhof.JPG is currently in Category:Tram 9013 (Prague) and Category:Media of Tatra KT8D5 in Prague; Category:Tram 9013 (Prague) is a child of Category:Tatra KT8D5 in Prague by registration number, which is a child of Category:Tatra KT8D5 in Prague, hence for File:9013 Masarykovo Bahnhof.JPG to be in both Category:Tatra KT8D5 in Prague and Category:Tram 9013 (Prague) is COM:OVERCAT (Category:Tatra KT8D5 in Prague is a parent of Category:Tram 9013 (Prague), and an image should not be in both a child and parent category).
- My solution is to create a brother/cousin category (titled 'media of'), this can sit besides the 'by registration number' cat tree and does not create overcat. If this cat is deleted and depopulated all of the images will be removed from the parent cat and will only sit in the child cats. In a nut shell: if you want all the images of a certain model of tram operating in Prague to be in a single category, support this tree, if you want all the pictures to be spread across individual categories and NOT be in a SINGLE category, oppose this tree, if you want both, support this tree. Liamdavies (talk) 20:03, 6 February 2014 (UTC)
- Could you please elaborate on how having all pictures of a certain model of tram in one cat is difficult? And what proposed alternative do you have that satisfies the parallel tree structure endorsed by the previous CfD? Liamdavies (talk) 16:33, 5 February 2014 (UTC)
- Support ŠJů seems to be correct in that the "Media of" categories are duplicates. Really it seems to me that Category:Media of Tatra KT8D5 in Prague should be empty, since Category:Tatra KT8D5 in Prague doesn't contain any media files, only subcategories. But my question is, if these particular tram categories need "media of" categories, then do thousands of other categories in Commons also require them? I don't think there's anything special about these particular categories. Further, if anybody can create "media of" categories, can I create Category:Media of Electric trams in Prague, and how would it interact with its "media of" subcategories? --ghouston (talk) 12:15, 18 June 2014 (UTC)
- The same problem was solved elsewhere by adding a catscan link that could generate a gallery of all images in the subcategories, e.g., Category:Ships_built_at_Bath_Iron_Works. It seems to be broken at the moment, but that's a technical issue that could in principle be fixed. --ghouston (talk) 12:32, 18 June 2014 (UTC)
- Better yet, use the "all images" option in the FastCCI gadget (the button that displays "good pictures" by default.) --ghouston (talk) 10:53, 19 June 2014 (UTC)
Redirected to Category:Tatra KT8D5 in Prague: Seven months, no non-creator support. Should the community wish to establish "parallel trees", a formal RFC on changing COM:CAT would be required. Also, there is now FastCCI. FDMS 4 10:25, 1 August 2014 (UTC)
Incorrectly named overcategorizing duplicate of Category:Tatra RT6N2 in Prague ŠJů (talk) 22:12, 18 January 2014 (UTC)
Requested speedydeletion: Empty category. FDMS 4 10:36, 1 August 2014 (UTC)
English Wiktionary doesn't exactly have a lot of transferred files needing review anyway. TeleComNasSprVen (talk) 21:23, 31 January 2014 (UTC)
Requested deletion: No support in seven months. Indeed :) . FDMS 4 10:44, 1 August 2014 (UTC) Creator requested.
Incorrectly named overcategorizing duplicate of Category:Tatra T3 in Prague ŠJů (talk) 22:13, 18 January 2014 (UTC)
- I have removed the COM:OVERCAT created by Sju. This move is unneeded, it is a parallel tree without COM:OVERCAT. Liamdavies (talk) 14:55, 25 January 2014 (UTC)
- I would further add that this CfD: Commons:Categories for discussion/2013/03/Category:Trams in Prague clearly shows support for a parallel tree. Sju has been warring against this tree, but there is nothing systemically incorrect with it, it doesn't create COM:OVERCAT (except for Sju's edits which intentionally create it), and it is supported by a previous CfD. Liamdavies (talk) 15:09, 25 January 2014 (UTC)
Redirected: Should the community wish to establish "parallel trees", a formal RFC on changing COM:CAT would be required. Also, there is now FastCCI. FDMS 4 12:27, 18 August 2014 (UTC)
Incorrectly named overcategorizing duplicate of Category:Tatra T3M in Prague ŠJů (talk) 22:13, 18 January 2014 (UTC)
- I have removed the COM:OVERCAT created by Sju. This move is unneeded, it is a parallel tree without COM:OVERCAT. Liamdavies (talk) 14:56, 25 January 2014 (UTC)
- I would further add that this CfD: Commons:Categories for discussion/2013/03/Category:Trams in Prague clearly shows support for a parallel tree. Sju has been warring against this tree, but there is nothing systemically incorrect with it, it doesn't create COM:OVERCAT (except for Sju's edits which intentionally create it), and it is supported by a previous CfD. Liamdavies (talk) 15:09, 25 January 2014 (UTC)
Redirected: Should the community wish to establish "parallel trees", a formal RFC on changing COM:CAT would be required. Also, there is now FastCCI. FDMS 4 12:27, 18 August 2014 (UTC)
Incorrectly named overcategorizing duplicate of Category:Tatra T3R.P in Prague ŠJů (talk) 22:14, 18 January 2014 (UTC)
- I have removed the COM:OVERCAT https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Category:Media_of_Tatra_T3R.P_in_Prague&diff=114219819&oldid=114069770 created by Sju]. This move is unneeded, it is a parallel tree without COM:OVERCAT. Liamdavies (talk) 14:57, 25 January 2014 (UTC)
- I would further add that this CfD: Commons:Categories for discussion/2013/03/Category:Trams in Prague clearly shows support for a parallel tree. Sju has been warring against this tree, but there is nothing systemically incorrect with it, it doesn't create COM:OVERCAT (except for Sju's edits which intentionally create it), and it is supported by a previous CfD. Liamdavies (talk) 15:10, 25 January 2014 (UTC)
Redirected: Should the community wish to establish "parallel trees", a formal RFC on changing COM:CAT would be required. Also, there is now FastCCI. FDMS 4 12:28, 18 August 2014 (UTC)
Incorrectly named overcategorizing duplicate of Category:Tatra T3R.PLF in Prague ŠJů (talk) 22:14, 18 January 2014 (UTC)
- I have removed the COM:OVERCAT created by Sju. This move is unneeded, it is a parallel tree without COM:OVERCAT. Liamdavies (talk) 14:58, 25 January 2014 (UTC)
- I would further add that this CfD: Commons:Categories for discussion/2013/03/Category:Trams in Prague clearly shows support for a parallel tree. Sju has been warring against this tree, but there is nothing systemically incorrect with it, it doesn't create COM:OVERCAT (except for Sju's edits which intentionally create it), and it is supported by a previous CfD. Liamdavies (talk) 15:10, 25 January 2014 (UTC)
Redirected: Should the community wish to establish "parallel trees", a formal RFC on changing COM:CAT would be required. Also, there is now FastCCI. FDMS 4 12:28, 18 August 2014 (UTC)
Incorrectly named overcategorizing duplicate of Category:Tatra T3R.PV in Prague ŠJů (talk) 22:15, 18 January 2014 (UTC)
- I have removed the COM:OVERCAT created by Sju. This move is unneeded, it is a parallel tree without COM:OVERCAT. Liamdavies (talk) 14:59, 25 January 2014 (UTC)
- I would further add that this CfD: Commons:Categories for discussion/2013/03/Category:Trams in Prague clearly shows support for a parallel tree. Sju has been warring against this tree, but there is nothing systemically incorrect with it, it doesn't create COM:OVERCAT (except for Sju's edits which intentionally create it), and it is supported by a previous CfD. Liamdavies (talk) 15:10, 25 January 2014 (UTC)
Redirected: Should the community wish to establish "parallel trees", a formal RFC on changing COM:CAT would be required. Also, there is now FastCCI. FDMS 4 12:28, 18 August 2014 (UTC)
Incorrectly named overcategorizing duplicate of Category:Tatra T3SU in Prague ŠJů (talk) 22:15, 18 January 2014 (UTC)
- I have removed the COM:OVERCAT created by Sju. This move is unneeded, it is a parallel tree without COM:OVERCAT. Liamdavies (talk) 14:59, 25 January 2014 (UTC)
- I would further add that this CfD: Commons:Categories for discussion/2013/03/Category:Trams in Prague clearly shows support for a parallel tree. Sju has been warring against this tree, but there is nothing systemically incorrect with it, it doesn't create COM:OVERCAT (except for Sju's edits which intentionally create it), and it is supported by a previous CfD. Liamdavies (talk) 15:10, 25 January 2014 (UTC)
Redirected: Should the community wish to establish "parallel trees", a formal RFC on changing COM:CAT would be required. Also, there is now FastCCI. FDMS 4 12:28, 18 August 2014 (UTC)
Incorrectly named overcategorizing duplicate of Category:Tatra T3SUCS in Prague. ŠJů (talk) 22:16, 18 January 2014 (UTC)
- I have removed the COM:OVERCAT created by Sju. This move is unneeded, it is a parallel tree without COM:OVERCAT. Liamdavies (talk) 15:01, 25 January 2014 (UTC)
- I would further add that this CfD: Commons:Categories for discussion/2013/03/Category:Trams in Prague clearly shows support for a parallel tree. Sju has been warring against this tree, but there is nothing systemically incorrect with it, it doesn't create COM:OVERCAT (except for Sju's edits which intentionally create it), and it is supported by a previous CfD. Liamdavies (talk) 15:11, 25 January 2014 (UTC)
Redirected: Should the community wish to establish "parallel trees", a formal RFC on changing COM:CAT would be required. Also, there is now FastCCI. FDMS 4 12:29, 18 August 2014 (UTC)
Incorrectly named overcategorizing duplicate of Category:Tatra T4 in Prague. ŠJů (talk) 22:17, 18 January 2014 (UTC)
- I have removed the COM:OVERCAT created by Sju. This move is unneeded, it is a parallel tree without COM:OVERCAT. Liamdavies (talk) 15:02, 25 January 2014 (UTC)
- I would further add that this CfD: Commons:Categories for discussion/2013/03/Category:Trams in Prague clearly shows support for a parallel tree. Sju has been warring against this tree, but there is nothing systemically incorrect with it, it doesn't create COM:OVERCAT (except for Sju's edits which intentionally create it), and it is supported by a previous CfD. Liamdavies (talk) 15:11, 25 January 2014 (UTC)
Redirected: Should the community wish to establish "parallel trees", a formal RFC on changing COM:CAT would be required. Also, there is now FastCCI. FDMS 4 12:29, 18 August 2014 (UTC)
Incorrectly named overcategorizing duplicate of Category:Tatra T6A5 in Prague. ŠJů (talk) 22:17, 18 January 2014 (UTC)
- I have removed the COM:OVERCAT created by Sju. This move is unneeded, it is a parallel tree without COM:OVERCAT. Liamdavies (talk) 15:03, 25 January 2014 (UTC)
- I would further add that this CfD: Commons:Categories for discussion/2013/03/Category:Trams in Prague clearly shows support for a parallel tree. Sju has been warring against this tree, but there is nothing systemically incorrect with it, it doesn't create COM:OVERCAT (except for Sju's edits which intentionally create it), and it is supported by a previous CfD. Liamdavies (talk) 15:11, 25 January 2014 (UTC)
Redirected: Should the community wish to establish "parallel trees", a formal RFC on changing COM:CAT would be required. Also, there is now FastCCI. User:SteinsplitterBot will remove the media files. FDMS 4 12:30, 18 August 2014 (UTC)
Unfortunately had to do this myself. FDMS 4 14:23, 18 August 2014 (UTC)
Incorrectly named overcategorizing duplicate of Category:Škoda 14T in Prague. ŠJů (talk) 22:18, 18 January 2014 (UTC)
- I have removed the COM:OVERCAT created by Sju. This move is unneeded, it is a parallel tree without COM:OVERCAT. Liamdavies (talk) 15:03, 25 January 2014 (UTC)
- I would further add that this CfD: Commons:Categories for discussion/2013/03/Category:Trams in Prague clearly shows support for a parallel tree. Sju has been warring against this tree, but there is nothing systemically incorrect with it, it doesn't create COM:OVERCAT (except for Sju's edits which intentionally create it), and it is supported by a previous CfD. Liamdavies (talk) 15:11, 25 January 2014 (UTC)
Redirected: Should the community wish to establish "parallel trees", a formal RFC on changing COM:CAT would be required. Also, there is now FastCCI. User:SteinsplitterBot will remove the media files. FDMS 4 12:33, 18 August 2014 (UTC)
Incorrectly named overcategorizing duplicate of Category:Škoda 15T in Prague. ŠJů (talk) 22:18, 18 January 2014 (UTC)
- I have removed the COM:OVERCAT created by Sju. This move is unneeded, it is a parallel tree without COM:OVERCAT. Liamdavies (talk) 15:04, 25 January 2014 (UTC)
- I would further add that this CfD: Commons:Categories for discussion/2013/03/Category:Trams in Prague clearly shows support for a parallel tree. Sju has been warring against this tree, but there is nothing systemically incorrect with it, it doesn't create COM:OVERCAT (except for Sju's edits which intentionally create it), and it is supported by a previous CfD. Liamdavies (talk) 15:12, 25 January 2014 (UTC)
Redirected: Should the community wish to establish "parallel trees", a formal RFC on changing COM:CAT would be required. Also, there is now FastCCI. User:SteinsplitterBot will remove the media files. FDMS 4 12:33, 18 August 2014 (UTC)
Incorrectly named overcategorizing duplicate of Category:Trams in Prague by model. ŠJů (talk) 22:25, 18 January 2014 (UTC)
- Name makes sense, I have removed COM:OVERCAT created by Sju. This move is unneeded, it is a parallel tree without COM:OVERCAT. Liamdavies (talk) 15:06, 25 January 2014 (UTC)
- I would further add that this CfD: Commons:Categories for discussion/2013/03/Category:Trams in Prague clearly shows support for a parallel tree. Sju has been warring against this tree, but there is nothing systemically incorrect with it, it doesn't create COM:OVERCAT (except for Sju's edits which intentionally create it), and it is supported by a previous CfD. Liamdavies (talk) 15:12, 25 January 2014 (UTC)
Redirected: Should the community wish to establish "parallel trees", a formal RFC on changing COM:CAT would be required. Also, there is now FastCCI. FDMS 4 12:27, 18 August 2014 (UTC)
All images in the category are an image of a Saudi Arabian building. According to this page, this is considered a copyright violation and all images in the category are copyright and FoP violations and should be discussed here. 189.24.237.92 20:19, 16 January 2014 (UTC)
Kept: This category can be kept. It can be used for de minimis images of this building. However, most of the images it contains must probably be deleted. I have included most of them in a request for deletion. Do not hesitate to propose others for deletion if you think it is useful. BrightRaven (talk) 11:38, 3 October 2014 (UTC)
merge with Category:Concretion, as its the same concept Mercurywoodrose (talk) 20:10, 27 January 2014 (UTC)
- Support. en:Concretion is the accepted geologic term, in English anyway. --Pete Tillman (talk) 01:51, 28 January 2014 (UTC), geologist
Redirected to Category:Concretion. BrightRaven (talk) 12:06, 3 October 2014 (UTC)
Appears to duplicate Category:Bulletin boards. I am not sure if there is some subtle difference I can't see but it appears to be a dialectal difference rather than an actual difference. Suggest merge - not fussed which way Mattinbgn (talk) 09:44, 15 January 2014 (UTC)
Done Merged the <20 files in Category:Notice boards sideways into Category:Bulletin boards. There was no distinction in the content - if anyone decides there's a distinction in meaning then they would have to unpick it by hand anyway –moogsi (talk) 03:11, 9 September 2014 (UTC)
Category:People looking left / right should be considered from the looking person's point of view. If I look left, I will expose my right side to the photographer. All the people in this category do not look left, they look right. (same with Category:People facing right / left)
It's a kidding category, but if it's there it should be correct. Herzi Pinki (talk) 08:06, 23 January 2014 (UTC)
- Keep Usage seems to indicate it is not a "kidding category". Viewpoint is from person viewing, not necessarily the person shown's left/right. A hat note on the cat explaining this would IMO be appropriate, but I don't think organizing according from viewer's perspective is inherently wrong, nor only considering the person depicted's personal left/right would be inherently "correct". Either would be a choice of perspective. The current usage is in line with other media in "left" and "right" parent categories. -- Infrogmation (talk) 01:50, 25 January 2014 (UTC)
Usage is consistent with other categories of the type: "from the viewer's perspective" –moogsi (talk) 03:27, 9 September 2014 (UTC)
Covered by Category:Art of New Zealand. Alan Liefting (talk) 05:57, 31 January 2014 (UTC)
- I think this should perhaps be discussed principally.
My definition would be that "Art of New Zealand" means "art created in New Zealand/by New Zealand's artists", whereas "New Zealand in art" would mean "art which has New Zealand for a subject, but could also be created in other places resp. by artists from other countries". And analogue for other countries and regions of the world.Reykholt (talk) 16:48, 31 January 2014 (UTC)
- I agree to Reykholt. The request is illogical and should be withdrawn. Take for comparison the simple case Category:Moon in art and crosswise - like Alan's train of thought Category:Art of moon. How many artists of the moon are known? --Metilsteiner (talk) 10:55, 13 August 2014 (UTC)
Seems to be a misunderstanding of the meaning of "of" in the cat system in this context –moogsi (talk) 03:25, 9 September 2014 (UTC)
Rename to Category:Hera Barberini statues, to distinguish the type from the archetype (See w:en:Barberini Hera). Danny lost (talk) 00:39, 3 January 2014 (UTC)
- Do we have files for both? --rimshottalk 19:13, 6 June 2014 (UTC)
Not done, no reply to objection. --rimshottalk 21:45, 20 November 2014 (UTC)
I think the correct name is Anser anser domesticus or "Anser anser f. domesticus" Jee 13:29, 14 January 2014 (UTC)
- Although the name is in use in some textbooks, it's actually not a valid scientific taxon at all, and we shouldn't use it; European domesticated geese are derived from both subspecies Anser anser anser and Anser anser rubrirostris, and are a hotch-potch that can't be ascribed to any single subspecies name. More accurate would be "Domesticated forms of Anser anser" or just "Domesticated Anser anser" - or, since Commons uses English language for categories that are not taxa, I'd suggest renaming to Category:Domesticated Greylag Geese. - MPF (talk) 09:01, 16 January 2014 (UTC)
- Thanks MPF for your opinion. Jee 09:52, 16 January 2014 (UTC)
Done - MPF (talk) 16:00, 2 November 2014 (UTC)
This category should be renamed "Coats of arms of families of Portugal" to be consistent with all other entries in the parent category Coats of arms of families by country. Besides that, the entire contents of the category Heráldica familiar should be moved here and subsequently eliminated. Possibly it is not historically correct to consider "nobles" all the families with coat of arms, but I think in terms of the organization of Commons makes more sense. JotaCartas (talk) 02:15, 24 January 2014 (UTC)
- Sounds resonable = Support. Gunnex (talk) 10:14, 24 January 2014 (UTC)
Long since moved to Category:Coats of arms of families of Portugal. --rimshottalk 21:53, 20 November 2014 (UTC)
Note: Undone move and moved back to former category. There is no such thing as "Coats of arms of families" in Portugal, no matter what exists on other countries. All coats of arms belong to a single and specific individual. The coats of arms of an individual (say, a Silva) where in many cases used as models when assigning new coats of arms inside that family, but that is not the same as saying that "the family" has a coat of arms. The divisions by surname inside that category are not meant to represent true "families", but merely those models.-- Darwin Ahoy! 17:33, 18 December 2016 (UTC)
This is, i believe, Italian for a "plaster casting collection", see italian WP, translated by google: The collection of plaster casts is the place where they are kept in plaster reproductions (typo in ancient greek means "chalk") of statues in bronze, marble and terracotta. It is sometimes also referred to as calcoteca, from the Greek root of the word Chalkos, or "bronze", to indicate the material of the works reproduced. The largest collection of plaster casts existing in Italy is the Museum of Classical Art, University "La Sapienza" of Rome. The gallery of plaster casts of Canova Possagno instead retains original plaster casts of works by Antonio Canova. Another permanent collection of plaster casts of the preparatory sketches of the works of the sculptor Michele Tripisciano is present in Caltanissetta in the Palazzo Moncada. RENAME Category:Plaster castings collections or similar. Mercurywoodrose (talk) 06:21, 3 January 2014 (UTC)
Deleted in the meantime, as empty. --rimshottalk 00:07, 2 January 2015 (UTC)
Square names in most other countries (France, Italty, Spain, etc) have not been translated. This should be renamed to Szabadság tér or at least Szabadság square. Themightyquill (talk) 13:54, 11 January 2014 (UTC)
- Support the name Szabadság Square. Einstein2 (talk) 13:47, 13 January 2014 (UTC)
Moved in April 2014. - Themightyquill (talk) 11:22, 7 November 2015 (UTC)
Square names in most other countries (France, Italty, Spain, etc) have not been translated. This should be renamed to Ferenciek tére or at least Ferenciek square. Themightyquill (talk) 13:55, 11 January 2014 (UTC)
- Support the name Ferenciek Square. Einstein2 (talk) 13:47, 13 January 2014 (UTC)
No opposition in months. Category moved. - Themightyquill (talk) 11:27, 7 November 2015 (UTC)
Square names in most other countries (France, Italty, Spain, etc) have not been translated. This should be renamed to József nádor tér or at least József nádor square. Themightyquill (talk) 13:57, 11 January 2014 (UTC)
- Support the name József nádor Square. Einstein2 (talk) 13:47, 13 January 2014 (UTC)
Moved in December 2014. - Themightyquill (talk) 11:30, 7 November 2015 (UTC)
Square names in most other countries (France, Italty, Spain, etc) have not been translated. This should be renamed to Szentlélek tér or at least Szentlélek square. Themightyquill (talk) 13:59, 11 January 2014 (UTC)
- Support the name Szentlélek Square. Einstein2 (talk) 13:47, 13 January 2014 (UTC)
Moved in December 2014. - Themightyquill (talk) 11:31, 7 November 2015 (UTC)
Category:Drilling machines currently says: "Piling machines should be in Category:Piling machines, but some piling machines using rotating drilling tools might feature in both categories." That didn't make sense to me, so I created this category, which I thought would be appropriate for the intersection of Category:Piling machines and Category:Drilling machines. I won't move previously existing images into the new category until this discussion is closed. Geo Swan (talk) 17:38, 20 January 2014 (UTC)
- OK. I've waited over 6 months, without a closure. Should I wait for a closure? Geo Swan (talk) 09:09, 1 August 2014 (UTC)
- Looks reasonable enough to me, and after no opposition in more than half a year, I think you can assume consent. --rimshottalk 08:35, 2 August 2014 (UTC)
The category now has images so it seems to be useful. No opposition to its existence has been voiced. Closing as keep. - Themightyquill (talk) 22:45, 28 January 2016 (UTC)
Based on wrong label in OpenMedia. Lumi i Dushit is a cotribuary to the river Gomsiqa. And it should be Dushi, not Dushit as this is a genetive case. --Albinfo (talk) 12:46, 26 January 2014 (UTC)
- I can only find this on maps as "Përroi i Dushit" or similar. So you propose a rename to "Dushi Brook" or similar, or deletion? I assume the latter seeing as you emptied the category and removed its categories –moogsi (talk) 17:19, 14 September 2014 (UTC)
Empty category. Deleting. - Themightyquill (talk) 22:58, 28 January 2016 (UTC)
Should this category be renamed to University and college libraries in the United States or should there be another category for College libraries in the United States? Mjrmtg (talk) 18:52, 26 January 2014 (UTC)
Keep. The name isn't hugely significant, since this can easily include all college libraries. The type of institution (or its name) isn't really relevant to the images in the category. Nyttend (talk) 20:29, 2 February 2014 (UTC)- Neutral: It's "en:Category:University and college academic libraries in the United States" on English Wikipedia, and some people would argue that most colleges are not universities (that is, 4-year degree institutions), but all universities are (or are made up of) "colleges". "Category:College libraries in the United States" would be the common term in the United States, but that makes it incongruous with other countries, where some might even interpret "college library" as equivalent to what Americans would call a "high school library". "Category:Academic libraries in the United States" would sound OK, but then that would take it out of Category:University and college buildings in the United States because it would definitely be interpreted as including grade school/high school libraries if it were named that way. (Maybe that should exist as a parent category though.) --Closeapple (talk) 18:14, 11 May 2014 (UTC)
- I think by that argument, the category Category:Universities and colleges should be renamed. I don't know what would be used instead though. --ghouston (talk) 00:01, 29 January 2016 (UTC)
- Move to Category:Academic libraries in the United States and add a comment at the top of the category saying that it's for higher education libraries, just as en:Academic library discusses. The concept doesn't include pre-undergraduate institutions. Nyttend (talk) 14:42, 16 November 2014 (UTC)
- The same could be said for the current name also, though. And there's also en:University libraries in the United States. I wouldn't intuitively think of typing "academic libraries" as a category search; "university libraries" or "college libraries" I would; but those could be redirects I guess. --Closeapple (talk) 19:46, 16 November 2014 (UTC)
- Neutral: The current name matches the top-level category, Category:University libraries. However that's a subcategory of Category:University and college buildings. A renaming request should really apply to the whole category tree, not just "in the United States". --ghouston (talk) 03:50, 4 March 2015 (UTC)
- I've tagged Category:University libraries to encourage further discussion. Perhaps moving that category and its sub-categories to Category:University and college libraries would work? - Themightyquill (talk) 23:02, 28 January 2016 (UTC)
- Yes, that would be consistent. --ghouston (talk) 23:57, 28 January 2016 (UTC)
- I've tagged Category:University libraries to encourage further discussion. Perhaps moving that category and its sub-categories to Category:University and college libraries would work? - Themightyquill (talk) 23:02, 28 January 2016 (UTC)
Keep the status quo: The discussion was inconclusive. Different suggestions were made, but none seemed to gain any form of traction. (As a side note, since this was also added to Category:University libraries: The distinction between universities and colleges is a very Anglo-Saxon thing and not easily applicable to foreign universities.) Sebari – aka Srittau (talk) 09:40, 16 January 2017 (UTC)
With our current scheme, Category:1923 maps could include both maps created in 1923 (but depicting 1910), and maps created in 2011 (but depicting 1923). Would it be over-categorization to create new sub-categories for every year along the lines of Category:Maps showing 1923 and Category:Maps created in 1923 ? Please note that many of these categories only contain one or two files. Thanks for your input. Themightyquill (talk) 19:18, 31 January 2014 (UTC)
- I would support such a split Oxyman (talk) 18:31, 3 March 2014 (UTC)
- Definitely support. Current situation does not make sense. By now I will edit the template. BartekChom (talk) 10:59, 11 December 2015 (UTC)
Category:Maps by year created and Category:Maps by year shown created, but there is still a lot of sorting to be done. Use {{MapsYearShown}}, {{MapsDecadeShown}} and {{MapsYearCreated}}. - Themightyquill (talk) 08:31, 22 August 2016 (UTC)
Discussion with same topic: Template talk:MapsYear#Automatic Categorisation under "Category:Maps showing the DECADEs". --W like wiki (talk) 20:21, 21 November 2017 (UTC)
Square names in most other countries (France, Italty, Spain, etc) have not been translated. This should be renamed to Szentháromság tér or at least Szentháromság square. Themightyquill (talk) 14:02, 11 January 2014 (UTC)
- Some square names are translated, some are not. Cf. Category:Red Square and Category:Wenceslas Square. Renaming seems unneccesary to me. Fransvannes (talk) 21:36, 11 January 2014 (UTC)
- I'm not sure if those are good counter examples, since they are rather notable squares. Prague's other squares have not been translated... not even the word square. I could see a comparison with Hősök tere/Heroes' Square, but not with the rest of the squares I nominated. My understanding was that proper names of less notable places are generally not translated. Moreover, while I realize Commons doesn't need to follow Wikipedia, even English Wikipedia has not translated en:Ferenciek tere to Category:Franciscan Square (Budapest) (incidentally, that isn't even a proper translation - it should be "Franciscans' Square" or "Square of the Franciscans"), or for that matter, en:Hősök tere to Category:Heroes' Square (Budapest). The only exception is Szabadság tér, but it doesn't appear to have a clear English equivalent, since it's listed as en:Liberty Square (Budapest) on wikipedia and Category:Freedom Square (Budapest) here. To me, it makes sense, for the sake of clarity and consistency, to just use the name on the street signs. =) - Themightyquill (talk) 18:17, 12 January 2014 (UTC)
- Support the name Szentháromság Square. If these square categories will be renamed, Heroes' Square should also be renamed to Hősök Square IMO. Einstein2 (talk) 13:48, 13 January 2014 (UTC)
- I missed Category:Main Square (Budapest), which should definitely be renamed Category:Fő ter or Category:Fő square as well. - Themightyquill (talk) 08:04, 14 January 2014 (UTC)
This may as well be closed, since there was only a bit of objection to the renaming, and Themightyquill has already renamed it anway. --ghouston (talk) 11:07, 28 May 2017 (UTC)
This category duplicates Category:Jim Thorpe, Pennsylvania. I don't see a need to maintain separate categories for a renamed city. Mackensen (talk) 19:45, 12 January 2014 (UTC)
- The community was renamed in the 1920s for those unaware of the history, at which time two communities were combined into Jim Thorpe, things belonging solely to North Mauch Chunk are associatively rather hidden if the category is eliminated. BUT! Mauch Chunk was an Amerindian name that was adopted by Wm. Penns tolerant Quaker settlers. More to the point, there are and will be entries which have Mauch Chunk naming and not apply to modern day Jim Thorpe. History, especially one as storied as Mauch Chunks, however widely forgotten today, deserve a common historical title to group media that apply. // FrankB 18:04, 28 February 2014 (UTC)
- I believe the merger happened in 1953, not the 1920s. The category's front matter description is confusing and subjective. I could see an argument for using this category to depict the pre-1953 borough of Mauch Chunk, but that's confusing for a structure like Central Railroad of New Jersey Station (Jim Thorpe, Pennsylvania), which has stood in the same place since 1888. These categories need to be usable by people who don't have a deep understanding of Pennsylvanian history. East Mauch Chunk exists as a separate concept and could be categorized separately, but Jim Thorpe is the lineal descendant of Mauch Chunk. I don't think that images double-categorized in both Jim Thorpe and Mauch Chunk, when one is the sub-category of another, makes sense and it doesn't reflect best practice on commons. Mackensen (talk) 23:01, 28 February 2014 (UTC)
- Keep As it is, Category:Mauch Chunk is a subcategory of Category:Jim Thorpe, Pennsylvania. This makes perfect sense. Images that deal with the older town of Mauch Chunk (now currently part of Jim Thorpe) can go in the Mauch Chunk category and still be in the umbrella of the Jim Thorpe category. I can see the argument for merging the two categories but I'd perfer to separate the two and put Mauch Chunk underneath Jim Thorpe. Themfromspace (talk) 18:38, 25 March 2014 (UTC)
- However, images are double-categorized in both categories. See for example File:FAB's IMG 4662 Lehigh Coal & Navigation Corp-HQ,Mauch Chunk-Jim Thorpe,PA.JPG. That's contrary to practice on Commons. If Mauch Chunk is a sub-category of Jim Thorpe then those images should only be in Mauch Chunk. However, the images depict modern Jim Thorpe. Mauch Chunk ceased to be a legal entity decades ago. This is a confusing situation and I'm unaware of a similar structure on Commons. Note for example Category:Budapest (the city, past and present) and Category:Pest (Hungary) (historical maps and miscategorized cards from a mass upload). I have no idea what belongs in Mauch Chunk, as opposed to Jim Thorpe. If these are kept it needs to be clear to casual participants. Mackensen (talk) 20:18, 26 March 2014 (UTC)
- Historical images that show the town of Mauch Chunk before it was reincorporated as Jim Thorpe should be filed in the Mauch Chunk category. Images that show historic buildings in the old town can go in category: Old Mauch Chunk Historic District which is a subcategory of both of these. Anything else should be filed on a case by case basis with editorial discretion. I know there is some categorization with some of the subcats, but its not that big of a deal. As a navigational aid, it's much easier to keep the categories separate for people pursuing historical research. Trying to apply the generic rules of Commons in this situation is like trying to fit a square block into a round hole. Themfromspace (talk) 22:44, 28 March 2014 (UTC)
- However, images are double-categorized in both categories. See for example File:FAB's IMG 4662 Lehigh Coal & Navigation Corp-HQ,Mauch Chunk-Jim Thorpe,PA.JPG. That's contrary to practice on Commons. If Mauch Chunk is a sub-category of Jim Thorpe then those images should only be in Mauch Chunk. However, the images depict modern Jim Thorpe. Mauch Chunk ceased to be a legal entity decades ago. This is a confusing situation and I'm unaware of a similar structure on Commons. Note for example Category:Budapest (the city, past and present) and Category:Pest (Hungary) (historical maps and miscategorized cards from a mass upload). I have no idea what belongs in Mauch Chunk, as opposed to Jim Thorpe. If these are kept it needs to be clear to casual participants. Mackensen (talk) 20:18, 26 March 2014 (UTC)
Themfromspace's suggestion seems workable, and in any case the discussion has been dead for years, and was no consensus to delete the category. The discussion may as well be closed. --ghouston (talk) 11:22, 28 May 2017 (UTC)
There is no plausible reason to bundle generation, transportation and distribution but leave out for example storage and use. The bundle category should be split up again. Tetris L (talk) 09:29, 24 January 2014 (UTC)
- There's also a comment on the Talk page: "Don't know where this category got its name...perhaps transportation should be transmission?--Gproud (talk) 07:19, 18 March 2014 (UTC)" --ghouston (talk) 02:33, 31 May 2017 (UTC)
I'm guessing the category was intended to refer to electrical power only, but that's not clear in the name or current usage. There has been no support for keeping it after over three years, so let's get rid of it. --ghouston (talk) 02:33, 31 May 2017 (UTC)
Delete or rename. Category:Cortile del Belvedere is no the other side of the left building. Category:Belvedere Palcae, is a possible name for that building, but it isn't clear how to distinguish it from Category:Apostolic Palace. On the right we have the Vatican Gardens. Danny lost (talk) 01:58, 5 January 2014 (UTC)
- I'm not sure what this category is supposed to represent, apart from Cortile del Belvedere. It's a grouping of several courtyards within the Apostolic Palace? I'm inclined to redirect it to Category:Cortile del Belvedere. --ghouston (talk) 06:11, 18 June 2014 (UTC)
Redirecting to Category:Cortile del Belvedere, it's not clear what else it could represent. --ghouston (talk) 06:09, 1 July 2017 (UTC)
See also: Template:Modern architecture. Seems to me that for this and its subcategories, "Modern movement architecture'" would be clearer than just "Modern movement". This appears to be the usage in the parent category Category:Modern movement architecture by country. Jmabel ! talk 22:59, 17 January 2014 (UTC)
- I wholeheartedly agree. "Modern movement" could mean many different things without the "architecture" to define it. "'Modernist architecture" would be even better, but I can live with "Modern movement architecture". Beyond My Ken (talk) 10:24, 18 January 2014 (UTC)
- According to the description of the category, it should be really about modern movement architecture, not about whole modernism in painting, music, literature, industry, society etc. But it has also many subcategories which should be also renamed. --ŠJů (talk) 22:59, 18 January 2014 (UTC)
- Yes, it would be nice if the usage was consistent across all the country articles. Beyond My Ken (talk) 02:17, 19 January 2014 (UTC)
- ŠJů, exactly. As I said, "this and its subcategories". - Jmabel ! talk 02:37, 19 January 2014 (UTC)
- And also the subcategories of the parent category. Beyond My Ken (talk) 04:15, 19 January 2014 (UTC)
- ŠJů, exactly. As I said, "this and its subcategories". - Jmabel ! talk 02:37, 19 January 2014 (UTC)
- Yes, it would be nice if the usage was consistent across all the country articles. Beyond My Ken (talk) 02:17, 19 January 2014 (UTC)
- I agree. This category, and all its subcategories, should be renamed as proposed for the sake of clarity and consistency with its parent category. Farragutful (talk) 16:47, 19 March 2014 (UTC)
- Support moves per everyone else. I would prefer "modernist architecture" like BMK, but we definitely need to get "architecture" into the category name, and all of these are better than the ambiguous "modern architecture". Nyttend (talk) 23:58, 24 April 2014 (UTC)
- Support a move, and Category:Modernist architecture in Denmark shows the best pattern to follow. Second best is the originally proposed, somewhat wordy, "Modern movement architecture". Jim.henderson (talk) 14:38, 12 December 2014 (UTC)
- Support - It has been well over a year and everyone seems to be in full agreement. Can we move this category and its children? Themightyquill (talk) 09:52, 1 October 2015 (UTC)
- Seems about time. - Jmabel ! talk 15:26, 1 October 2015 (UTC)
- Jack ma & @TomAlt: I just found your previous conversation, linked at the top. I thought I'd give you the change to weigh in before we move. Do you have a preference between "Modern movement architecture" and "Modernist architecture" ? - Themightyquill (talk) 09:05, 12 April 2016 (UTC)
- I agree with above : as this category deals with architecture, I would prefer "modernist architecture", too. Jack ma (talk) 05:16, 15 April 2016 (UTC)
- This also applies to numerous sub-categories of Category:Modern movement architecture by country and Category:Modern movement architecture by city. - Themightyquill (talk) 09:20, 18 July 2016 (UTC)
- I agree with above : as this category deals with architecture, I would prefer "modernist architecture", too. Jack ma (talk) 05:16, 15 April 2016 (UTC)
- In several Spanish-language countries term 'modernist' (modernista, modernismo) is related to art-nouveau, not to Modern Movement. I know categories are named in English, but something like "Modern Movement architecture" or "Modern architecture" will create less misscategorisation problems. Strakhov (talk) 21:52, 3 November 2016 (UTC)
- @Strakhov: Very good point. Same issue in Catalan (Modernisme). - Jmabel ! talk 23:44, 3 November 2016 (UTC)
- In several Spanish-language countries term 'modernist' (modernista, modernismo) is related to art-nouveau, not to Modern Movement. I know categories are named in English, but something like "Modern Movement architecture" or "Modern architecture" will create less misscategorisation problems. Strakhov (talk) 21:52, 3 November 2016 (UTC)
- Support renaming. I assume the parent category Category:Modern movement wasn't intended to apply only to architecture. If you look in Category:Modern movement in Germany, you'll find a subcategory Category:Modern movement architecture in Germany. See also Commons:Categories for discussion/2017/07/Category:Modern movement. --ghouston (talk) 10:53, 10 July 2017 (UTC)
- The parent category is Category:Modernism, I'm not sure if that's already confusing in Spanish etc. --ghouston (talk) 10:59, 10 July 2017 (UTC)
- I managed with some effort to unlink Category:Modernism from es:Modernismo (arte). The nearest match on eswiki seems to be a disambiguation page: es:Modernismo. --ghouston (talk) 11:14, 10 July 2017 (UTC)
- For architecture, there's es:Arquitectura moderna which is linked to en:Modern architecture, and es:Movimiento Moderno which is .. something else. So "Modern movement architecture" may be equally confusing in Spanish. --ghouston (talk) 11:21, 10 July 2017 (UTC)
- I'm equally happy with "Modernist architecture" as "Modern movement architecture". I think in quite a few languages, "Modern architecture" is too broad (yes, I know its cognate would be the preferred version in Spanish). As far as I know, the only language where "Modernist architecture" will be actively confusing is Catalan, where it refers to their version of Art Nouveau. My main concern is to get "architecture" into the category names. - Jmabel ! talk 15:41, 10 July 2017 (UTC)
I'll request bot renaming to Category:Modernist architecture in the United States, since most comments above preferred that variant. It's also consistent with the category Category:Modernism, although not with Category:Modern movement architecture or Category:Modern movement architecture by country. However, I think there's a good case for using "Modernist architecture" for any new categories, and for renaming the existing architecture categories if anyone is inclined. --ghouston (talk) 02:49, 23 July 2017 (UTC)
Categories should be in English, especially when they have no specific Arabic content 91.64.241.40 13:11, 16 January 2014 (UTC)
we can simply translate it to "Architectural Drawing and Representation" --hasanisawi (talk) 20:02, 14 February 2014 (UTC)
- @Hasanisawi: Can we simply move the contained images to Category:Architectural drawings and delete the category? - Themightyquill (talk) 22:40, 28 January 2016 (UTC)
@Ashashyou: Can you help out here? Can these be moved to Category:Architectural drawings or is there something more complex going on? Thanks! - Themightyquill (talk) 13:51, 29 January 2017 (UTC)
- I think they can be moved--Ashashyou (talk) 12:11, 2 November 2017 (UTC)
Category deleted. - Themightyquill (talk) 09:53, 3 November 2017 (UTC)
Merge with Category:Army-Navy Production Award ? Djembayz (talk) 23:30, 21 January 2014 (UTC)
- I believe the proper name is "Board for Production Awards". Semper Fi! FieldMarine (talk) 02:07, 22 January 2014 (UTC)
Support I see no need for this specific category. --Jonund (talk) 19:01, 13 March 2015 (UTC)
Redirected to Category:Army-Navy Production Award to remove duplication and maintain clarity. - 09:15, 12 January 2018 (UTC)
Delete since it is not part of a series and the only sub-cat is up for deletion. Alan Liefting (talk) 05:58, 31 January 2014 (UTC)
Seems to be well used now. Closing as keep. - Themightyquill (talk) 09:17, 12 January 2018 (UTC)
Should this be for application software for use with Internet, or for Web applications (applications whose interface consist of Web pages)? AVRS (talk) 17:22, 17 January 2014 (UTC)
- Internet applications should be anything that uses the Internet. This includes the entire Web, and also all of the other Internet protocols. It shouldn't be a subcategory of "Websites by type" or "Web services" as it is now. --ghouston (talk) 12:52, 30 July 2014 (UTC)
- Also, I'm not sure whether this category is supposed to refer to software, as in w:en:Application software, or "application" in the more general sense of the word. If it's the former, then a lot of stuff doesn't belong here, I guess including server software and things that refer to entire protocols, like Category:Usenet. Category:E-mail isn't even a particular protocol, or specific to the Internet. --ghouston (talk) 09:20, 1 August 2014 (UTC)
- Alright. There's a separate category Category:Internet protocols, so things like Category:Usenet don't belong here. I have to assume that "applications" refers to w:en:Application software, which I guess is non-system and non-server software that presents some kind of user interface. So this category should be a subcategory of Category:Application software and maybe should be renamed to Category:Internet application software. The alternative categories in Category:Software by type are Category:Server software and Category:System software. I guess this category should include only programs that wouldn't be particularly useful in the absence of an Internet connection, as opposed to say a word processor that had the ability to load files from a URL. I suppose web services should be included (probably in a subcategory) since they are just programs that are typically run inside a web browser. Web browsers themselves would be a good example of Internet application software. --ghouston (talk) 00:16, 28 December 2014 (UTC)
- There are things like Category:World Wide Web. I'm not sure where that belongs, because it's not a protocol or software, but include many different protocols and types of software, as well as maybe servers and companies and who knows what. Maybe it should be under Category:Internet directly. But then I suppose you can say the same thing about Category:Usenet, which covers both a protocol and software (application and server) and some physical servers. --ghouston (talk) 00:27, 28 December 2014 (UTC)
The contents of the category seem arbitrary, varying from "World Wide Web" to particular websites. Given that it's not clear what its supposed to contain, I think it would be best if we just abandoned it and recategorised the contents to more specific categories. --ghouston (talk) 01:50, 4 January 2018 (UTC)
- @Ghouston: I'm fine with that in principle, but which more specific categories? It doesn't make sense to me to dump these all in Category:Internet. Category:World Wide Web and Category:Whois should definitely be grandchild categories of Category:Internet but what exactly is the relationship? They could be grouped together somehow, whereas I'd say Category:Internet banking is something altogether different, but I'm not sure how that would relate to Category:Internet either. - Themightyquill (talk) 08:22, 12 January 2018 (UTC)
- I think dumping the contents into Category:Internet would be a step forward, since a meaningless category is counter-productive and you may as well just flatten it. However, some of the contents are related to websites, so that can go somewhere under Category:World Wide Web. Other things are more difficult because they can be implemented as websites or apps, or even outside the Internet entirely (as in old types of E-mail or UUCPNET for Usenet). --ghouston (talk) 08:55, 12 January 2018 (UTC)
I've removed a few things, and what's left is kind of like "things that people use the Internet for", or "applications" in the broader sense that I mentioned in my first comment. Perhaps "things" can be specified better and "applications" replaced with a title that's less likely to be confused with "application software". Computing systems (or software systems) that depend on the Internet, comprising protocols and software, and perhaps hardware like servers. --ghouston (talk) 00:58, 11 February 2018 (UTC)
- Maybe Category:Uses of the internet after Category:Uses of water ? - Themightyquill (talk) 10:18, 11 February 2018 (UTC)
- Good idea. --ghouston (talk) 06:32, 12 February 2018 (UTC)
Renaming to Category:Uses of the Internet as suggested. --ghouston (talk) 02:56, 28 March 2018 (UTC)
I read that "palm-out" means "Peace" and "palm-in" means Victory. But the images we have contradict that. Geo Swan (talk) 03:26, 4 January 2014 (UTC)
- Comment: I'm not sure it would be that easy to assume the purpose in most cases. And there is actually a third meaning: Palm-in, knuckles-out (Category:Reverse V sign) has traditionally been about as rude as the middle finger in several countries. (See, for example, [8].) When Winston Churchill started using a hand sign to support the "V for Victory" movement, he supposedly switched palm direction after someone explained to him how other social classes viewed the direction the knuckles were pointing. (See V sign#The V for Victory campaign and the victory-freedom sign.) If there was a "V-sign by purpose" split, this would have to be considered, particularly since some non-Commonwealth people tend to make the peace sign in both directions, but (I assume) a Brit or Aussie wouldn't do this without intending a double meaning. Someone British or maybe Australian users can probably explain this further. --Closeapple (talk) 04:17, 5 January 2014 (UTC)
- Disagree with the proposed category split. It is often unclear what is meant, and we can't and shouldn't assume a meaning. Also, the distinction between palm-in and palm-out is not universal. --P 1 9 9 ✉ 14:13, 9 January 2014 (UTC)
- Comment: I haven't seen a proposed category split only a pretty good suggestion for two (or more?) subcategories. The peace sign has never been called the V-sign, except by people who don't know what they are talking about. I have never used the V-sign. The peace sign - always palm toward viewer - has however been a considerable part of my life since 1968. What's urgently missing here, if this is to remain without said subcategories, is an introductory text. Now, there is no reference at all to the peace sign. To complicate matters there is another type of peace sign, often worn as jewelry on a necklace.
- Write a brief category introduction immediately which includes the various uses of a V-sign.
- Make a main Category:Symbols of peace
- Make two subcategories: a. Hand signals for peace (Peace sign) and b. Images for peace
- Under a. make subcategory V-sign (peace) with palm out
- Under b. make subcategories such as Peace jewelry, Peace symbols in other art
- Sort all the pertinant images under these categories
- Name change the current category - with the images that are left - to V-sign (victory) with palm in and place a referral at the top also see Category:V-sign (peace) with palm out
- Suggesting that we split it into V-sign (palm in) and V-sign (palm out) with possible subcats for each separate meaning. V-signs are considered vulgar in parts of the world. --Pitke (talk) 18:01, 13 June 2014 (UTC)
- Comment As it happens, I found this discussion when trying to search for a "peace sign" category, which is I think by far the most widely known of the various meanings of that gesture (by the way, another which no one seems to have considered yet is the "deuce sign" that rappers have been seen to use). However, of all the meanings, "V-sign" I think is the best description of them and should remain the category name as it can cover them all. My only suggestion would be: keep everything as it is, but include the aforementioned introductory text and also create a {{category redirect}} from "peace sign" and "deuce sign" to aid people searching. -- OlEnglish (talk) 03:56, 15 May 2015 (UTC)
Comment I don't know what this category looked like in the past, but it has since been subdivided into:
- Category:V-sign in art
- Category:Bunny ears (gesture) (v-sign behind someone's head)
- Category:Double V-sign (one person making the v-sign with both hands)
- Category:Group V-sign (more than one person making the v-sign)
- Category:High V-sign (with arm extended)
- Category:Reverse V sign (with palm in)
- Category:Right-angled V-sign (with hand turned sideways)
@Geo Swan, Closeapple, P199, Sergewoodzing, and Pitke: @OlEnglish and Themightyquill: The listed sub-categories all seem to have been created in the meantime, so all that appears to be done now is for the sorting of the remaining images in the main category. Closing and archiving this discussion. Josh (talk) 20:26, 5 January 2019 (UTC)
Boats have cockpits, not driving cabs. This is a whole pile of Just Plain Wrong renames today by user:ŠJů with repeated edit warring to back it up.
See Category talk:Train cockpits for the presumed origin of this mess. Note that boats aren't trains and that there is no reason (other than regular Commons stupidity) to rename one to use the same name as the other. They are different, different terms are applied. Andy Dingley (talk) 16:22, 4 January 2014 (UTC)
Discussion moved from User talk:ŠJů#Edit warring over Category:Boat cockpits
Please stop. First of all it's BRD: Bold, Revert, Discuss - not Bold, Revert, Edit war over it.
Secondly, boats don't have driving cabs, they have cockpits. Locomotives have driving cabs and not cockpits (as it took an incredible amount of time to get straight). Now here's the surprising part: boats and locomotives are different. Andy Dingley (talk) 16:11, 4 January 2014 (UTC)
- Yes, we should discuss instead of headlong reverting and breaking of categorization structure. Cockpits are a type of driving cabs, aren't they? Driving cab is more universal term than cockpits (all cockpits are driving cabs but not all driving cabs are cockpits, thus the universal name should be preferred in the parent categories. I'm not sure all types of boats have really "cockpits" but all boats have any driving stand, either a cockpit or another one. --ŠJů (talk) 16:18, 4 January 2014 (UTC)
- So anything that is a sub-type of <foo> must also have a name based on <foo>? Nonsense. Also will you please stop edit-warring over this. Andy Dingley (talk) 16:23, 4 January 2014 (UTC)
- Not, they must not. The question whether all types of boats have really "cockpits" is open to a discuss. --ŠJů (talk) 16:25, 4 January 2014 (UTC)
- So anything that is a sub-type of <foo> must also have a name based on <foo>? Nonsense. Also will you please stop edit-warring over this. Andy Dingley (talk) 16:23, 4 January 2014 (UTC)
End of moved discussion. --ŠJů (talk) 16:27, 4 January 2014 (UTC)
- If a boat has a cockpit that we have photographed, then it is appropriate to categorize it as a cockpit. If it has a bridge instead, then call it a bridge. What is inappropriate is for it to have either a cockpit, bridge or a poop deck and to call this a "driving cab" instead, because diesel locomotives have driving cabs. Andy Dingley (talk) 16:30, 4 January 2014 (UTC)
- Try to answer questions asked in the discussion. You may be right that the driving cabs of boats are mostly named "cockpits". The question is whether ALL driving stands of boats are cockpits. If yes, we can have one category of boats cockpits. If not, we should resolve whether we will have a category of boat driving stands and its subcategory of boat cockpits or only the most universal category for both of them. The next question is whether driving cabs and driving stands of other watercraft (including big ships) can be called "cockpits". The fact the diesel locomotives have driving cabs doesn't implies that buses, excavators or ships haven't driving cabs. --ŠJů (talk) 16:41, 4 January 2014 (UTC)
- So your logic is that not all boats have cockpits, therefore no boats may be categorized as having cockpits?
- Not all boats have masts or propellers either. Are you asking that we delete those too? Andy Dingley (talk) 16:59, 4 January 2014 (UTC)
- Try to read and answer the discussion questions and arguments above if you want to contribute to the discussion. Your last questions were answered just in my previous contrubittion already: "The question is whether ALL driving stands of boats are cockpits. If yes, we can have one category of boats cockpits. If not, we should resolve whether we will have a category of boat driving stands and its subcategory of boat cockpits or only the most universal category for both of them." Did you not understand, or you forgot to answer? "My logic" is that the "Cockpits" category tree contained mixed content and the word "cocpits" was misused generally as a term for all driver's stands. Most of the subcategories contained no real "cockpits". The subcategories which contain cocpits only should be named "... cockpits", no doubt about it. However, the subcategories which contain various types of driving stands mixed should use more general name to express the whole scope of the category. If you would like to have more specialized subcategories, you can bring your distinguish criteria and classify and separate the content. Set to this work if you want! Anyway, the more general categories are more needfull than the more specialized ones. --ŠJů (talk) 17:25, 5 January 2014 (UTC)
- Try to answer questions asked in the discussion. You may be right that the driving cabs of boats are mostly named "cockpits". The question is whether ALL driving stands of boats are cockpits. If yes, we can have one category of boats cockpits. If not, we should resolve whether we will have a category of boat driving stands and its subcategory of boat cockpits or only the most universal category for both of them. The next question is whether driving cabs and driving stands of other watercraft (including big ships) can be called "cockpits". The fact the diesel locomotives have driving cabs doesn't implies that buses, excavators or ships haven't driving cabs. --ŠJů (talk) 16:41, 4 January 2014 (UTC)
- It is not our role to introduce neologisms -- solely because they make sense to some of us personally. I agree with those respondents above who have challenged whether there has ever been a single nautical expert who ever used the term "Driving cabs of watercraft", or "Driving cabs of sailboats", "Driving cabs of motorboats".
- In some discussions I have argued for using a less frequently used term, because the more frequently used term was ambiguous. But the proper order should be DCA -- Discussion, Consensus, then Action -- not the Bold, Revert, Discuss some have claimed we should use here.
- We already have the perfectly acceptable Category:Bridges (nautical), which has the great advantage that it is consistent with the usage of actual nautical experts.
- Note: Many, perhaps most of the images that User:ŠJů took out of existing categories to shoehorn into one of his or her new "driving cabs" categories were OPEN cockpits -- they weren't enclosed cabs at all. Geo Swan (talk) 20:00, 5 January 2014 (UTC)
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If I am not mistaken, when a boat has a single cabin, that holds, the pilot or coxswain, other equipment, other crew, and passengers, it is known simply as the "cabin" -- not the "driving cab". -
If I am not mistaken, when a boat is large enough to have separate compartments that serve as an engine room, and a passenger compartment, like this 47 foot lifeboat, they are considered large enough for the compartment where the pilot or coxswain controls the vessel to be known as its "bridge" -- not its "driving cab". -
Consider this artist's impression of a USCG high speed pursuit boat -- the artist's impression shows a pair of bucket seats, for the pilot and another crew member. But, as constructed, the pilot sits on a kind of saddle, with shock absorbers, because the craft slams into waves at high speed. This is not a "driving cab". -
The Coxswain of this boat is sitting on a kind of saddle, with shock absorbers, because the craft slams into waves at high speed. This is not a "driving cab".
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Geo Swan (talk) 20:00, 5 January 2014 (UTC)
Moved from User talk:ŠJů#Could you please explain.... --ŠJů (talk) 00:12, 6 January 2014 (UTC)
Rather than trying to defend taking the elements from existing categories, and placing them in your new categories, could you instead address the concerns other respondents have voiced over the categorization you advocate?
Specifically, no nautical expert uses the term "driving cab" for any kind of watercraft. I accept, at face value, the term is used for buses and trains, but it is not used, by experts, for watercraft.
I acknowledge there are times when we should consider using terms not used by experts -- but those are all instances were experts in various nations use different terms. The engine that lifts or lowers vessels floating in caissons of water are called "boat lifts" in the UK, "ship lifts" in some other nations, and are called "lift locks" in Canada. I personally think the WMF projects should use the term "lift lock", even though no one uses the term outside of Canada, because both "boat lift" and "ship lift" are ambiguous, and can refer to a crane that lifts a vessel out of the water, for maintenance or winter storage.
You have introduced a non-standard term -- one used no-where in the real world, and, near as I can tell, you have offered zero meaningful justification for using this non-standard term.
No, that other contributors incorrectly referred to trains and buses having "cockpits" is not a meaningful justification to rename watercraft's cockpits "driving cabs" -- particularly since most watercraft's cockpits are open, not enclosed. Geo Swan (talk) 23:19, 5 January 2014 (UTC)
- Everybody can participate in the discussion and everybody can invite other user to the discussion. Please, don't shatter and duplicate the discussion and discuss at appropriate disussion pages, not at my personal user page. My arguments and questions answer in the discussions where they were asked. I'm waiting for your constructive proposals and arguments there. Thank you. --ŠJů (talk) 23:53, 5 January 2014 (UTC)
End of moved contribution.
- It is really not our role to "introduce neologisms". Thats why we should prefer descriptive names in common words if the special terms are not compatible and universal enough. Wikimedia Commons should be structured primarily not by specificity and anomalies and of English terminology but primarily by essence of the content. That's why I'm awaiting your constructive participation in the discussion.
- Thank you for the link Category:Bridges (nautical). This is a good example of a category which is maybe correctly named but was quite deficiently categorized. The category had no appropriate relations to essentialy and functionally analogous devices/places of other watercraft and vehicles, even with bridges of non-maritime ships! Thats also a cause why some categories of captain's bridges were also lost in the categorization tree and not categorized under this category. It was really a good example of bad categorization and we should reflects its causes. Thank you for finding of this lost and almost orphan category. Let you reflect the distinction between systematical structural categorization and pure tagging.
- Btw., the adjective dissambiguation in brackets is not just the preferred form – wouldn't be "Nautical bridges" better name, as well as their examples as "navigation bridges" or "admiral's bridges" or "compass platforms" use the adjective normally? Consider also whether the category name is specific enough (towards boarding bridges, observation bridges for passengers etc.) As regards appropriateness of the name "Bridges (nautical)", the English article about it is poorly referenced and verified and contains no link to any source which uses the term "Bridge (nautical)" or compares the term with related terms.
- As regards your objections, I can share most of them with you and we should search for their solution together. However, the situation that category of "cockpits" contained all images of driving stands (even though most of them are not really "cockpits" and many of them are not even "cabs"). We should accept the need for such a category but search for any more appropriate name for it and check and thínk out naming and structure of its subcategories and sort the content.
- As you mentioned, the stand/post of the person driving any vehicle (generally) can be in a cab or cabin (the distinction and use of the words and their equivalents can vary by language and by type of vehicle). The cab or cabin can be designated exclusively for the driving person or shared with other persons or purposes (even a driving cab of railway motorcar can be shared with a conductor but it is still a driving cab). You are right that boat or truck cab are mostly called simply "a cab", as far as such vehicle have not more different cabs. However such cabs fall under driving cabs even though this purpose is not emphasized usually. However, you are right that many stands of driving persons are neither cockpits nor cabs and we should search for more appropriate name for all driving stands.
- Unfortunately, you focused primarily to negation of the words "driving cab" instead to constructive classification of driving stands and precision of the distinguishing criteria. You even didn't comment which of the 4 examples depicts cockpits, in your view. I could similarly give examples of boat driving stands which are probably not "cockpits". If you want to be helpful, propose a name of the root category for all types of driving stands of all types of watercraft, select images from "cockpits" categories which don't depict cockpits, add a clear category description what should be consider as cockpits and waht shouldn't, classify the images and subcategories and create appropriate sister and parent categories to the "cockpits" categories. If the content is not classified by type of driving stands, the names of the categories should be correspondingly general. --ŠJů (talk) 00:12, 6 January 2014 (UTC)
Before you bring some more systematic classification with clear criteria and definitions, try to discuss and classify these examples:
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Is this a motorboat cockpit? -
Is this a motorboat cockpit? -
Is this a motorboat cockpit? -
Is this a motorboat cockpit? -
Is this a motorboat cockpit? -
Is this a motorboat cockpit?
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I say nothing about it, I'm awaiting your opinions. If you both will assert "that all are cockpits", I have no problem to accept it. However I peronally have problem to distunguish "cockpits", "bridges" and possibly something else and I await your knowledge and help. --ŠJů (talk) 01:09, 6 January 2014 (UTC)
No reaction yet? --ŠJů (talk) 20:19, 6 January 2014 (UTC)
No answer here? No objection, no opinion, no propsal? --ŠJů (talk) 22:58, 7 January 2014 (UTC)
- Reverting premature category emptying
User:ŠJů moved elements from Category:Cockpits (sailing) to the new Category:Driving cabs of watercraft. This has the very unfortunate, and IMO disruptive effect of leaving the earlier category empty. Since empty categories are routinely deleted this is absolutely the wrong order.
Sorry User:ŠJů, but if you thought those images really belonged in a category called "Driving cabs of watercraft" then you should have left the images where they were, and initiated a discussion here where you made the case for the new category replacing the earlier category. If and only if your proposal gained a consensus here should the elements have been moved.
Categories suck as an organizing tool. There is no easy way to see which elements a category has held in the past. There is no easy way to see why elements were added, or why they were removed. Until the exisiting category feature is superceded by a superior organizing feature it falls to all of us to be polite, cooperative, and disciplined about how we use categories, and, no offense, this absolutely precludes what some feel is a disrespectful hijacking of the existing elements of earlier categories, making those earlier categories vulnerable to deletion because they have become empty... Geo Swan (talk) 14:42, 5 January 2014 (UTC)
- When I moved any content to another category, I always treated properly with the previous category (as well as in this case). Nothing from the category content disappeared. However, as I can see, Geo Swan is who emptied some category and caused such "disruptive effect of leaving the earlier category empty", without any link to the new category. Such a method is really imperfect and premature.
- The previous situation was that all categories of driving cabs and driver's stands of all types of vehicles (including trains, trams, buses, funiculars etc.) was called "cocpits". Even though some of vehicles (small airplanes, racing automobiles or small boats) have really cocpits, the term was really discussed and criticized as inappropriate as a general term for all types of vehicles. And, even though languages and branches use various special names for special types of driving stands, there is no reason to shatter the categorization structure and to suppose that cockpits have nothing to do with other types of driver's cabs and stands.
- The discussion is in motion and you are invited to participate in it, if you didn't noticed the previous discussions and didn't contributed to them and if you want to react to the questions and arguments from the discussions. If you will have any constructive proposals how to distinguish different types of driving stands of watercraft reliably and how to name the root category for all such special categories, your proposals are welcomed.
- For a start of your participation in the discussion, try to express your opinion toward the questions and problems mentioned above. Unfortunately, I cannot found your opinion to them. Half-baked reverts ar not sufficient for any solution. --ŠJů (talk) 16:56, 5 January 2014 (UTC)
- Why did you start edit-warring to revert me, even after I asked you to stop, when I started correcting these undiscussed and incorrect changes? Andy Dingley (talk) 17:48, 5 January 2014 (UTC)
- Andy Dingley If your edits (even thought reverts) would be perfect, without disruption of categorization structure, I need not to correct them. However, your reverted categories fell out of the categorization structure, categories emptied by you were not treated by any appropriate link or template etc. Btw., you have permanently the opportunity to join the constructive discussions and I´m awaiting your opinions and answers. --ŠJů (talk) 22:26, 5 January 2014 (UTC)
- Why did you start edit-warring to revert me, even after I asked you to stop, when I started correcting these undiscussed and incorrect changes? Andy Dingley (talk) 17:48, 5 January 2014 (UTC)
- User:ŠJů, I accept at face value that you simply don't understand why your emptying of Category:Cockpits (sailing) was premature, and a problem. I accept at face value that you don't understand why my reversion of your unilateral emptying of that category, and restoring the status quo ante, was not disruptive.
- You offered me a link, above, as some kind of example. But it means nothing to me. Let me, in turn, offer you an example, from my contributions. In December 2012 I initiated a discussion Commons:Categories for discussion/2012/12/Category:Gun turrets. I thought my proposed re-organization made sense. But I waited and gave other contributors a chance to weigh in. Only after other contributors had had a chance to voice their opinions did I carry out that re-organization. And I feel very strongly that this is the approach you should have followed. Geo Swan (talk) 20:43, 5 January 2014 (UTC)
- Geo Swan, your objection was that somebody left emptied categories without appropriate treatment. I answered that not I but Geo Swan (and Andy Dingley also) were who left some emptied categories without any link and without any explanation why the categories were emptied and where their content was moved. Thats simply a clear neglect and fault, independently on the fact which variant of categorization structure or naming you (or I) preffer. Just this fault (as well as disruption of categorization strucutre) can be a cause of troubles you described. A finished renaming/moving of any category cannot cause such troubles, even if the new name is not preferred by you (or by me). However, I'm not sure you understand it already. --ŠJů (talk) 22:26, 5 January 2014 (UTC)
- OK, if you're so insistent on presenting a pejorative version of other editors' actions:
- I did not empty any categories. I did not create any empty categories. I re-enabled some valid and recently-emptied categories by removing their redirection tags and restoring their correct categories. I also redirected the freshly created and incorrectly-named categories to point back to the correct locations. I had to do this repeatedly as you kept reverting me, even after I'd asked you to stop and after I'd opened this CfD.
- These correct categories were then empty. However there were also category redirects pointing to them, so that 'bots would repopulate them. This was the appropriate way to repair the recent mis-categorisations. Andy Dingley (talk) 00:41, 6 January 2014 (UTC)
- Geo Swan, your objection was that somebody left emptied categories without appropriate treatment. I answered that not I but Geo Swan (and Andy Dingley also) were who left some emptied categories without any link and without any explanation why the categories were emptied and where their content was moved. Thats simply a clear neglect and fault, independently on the fact which variant of categorization structure or naming you (or I) preffer. Just this fault (as well as disruption of categorization strucutre) can be a cause of troubles you described. A finished renaming/moving of any category cannot cause such troubles, even if the new name is not preferred by you (or by me). However, I'm not sure you understand it already. --ŠJů (talk) 22:26, 5 January 2014 (UTC)
- If you (or I) make any halfway edit, it its worse than to use inappropriate name only (even if both names are inappropriate, the previous as well as the new). Well, let's focus rather to the open guestions and constructive proposals and solutions. --ŠJů (talk) 01:03, 6 January 2014 (UTC)
It's not a good idea to rename Category:Aircraft cockpits to Category:Driving cabs of aircraft either. Andy Dingley (talk) 18:34, 5 January 2014 (UTC)
- Andy Dingley, thank you for the link. If you have really systematic concern in the problem of "cockpitmania", join the whole discussion and answer the systematic questions. Some levels and branches are solved already, some are avating for proposals and discussions. For example, to work on Automobile cockpits and Truck cockpits is desirable now. I would pleased to believe that you ideas are better but it seems to be very difficult to prompt you to some constructive anwers or proposals. --ŠJů (talk) 22:33, 5 January 2014 (UTC)
- Continuing edit warring by ŠJů
Why have you now created yet another undiscussed category with an invented name? Category:Driving stands of watercraft Andy Dingley (talk) 00:34, 6 January 2014 (UTC)
- As mentioned and thoroughly discussed above in the discussion, driving stands of watercraft can be distinguished to at least two types: cockpits and bridges. Unfortunately, none of the unconstructive revertators proposed objective distinguishing criteria or more precise classification and terminology, but the discussion implied unequivocally that "driving cabs" is not a correct term covering all types of driving stands. To comply with the justified objections from the discussion can be hardly considered as "continuing edit warring". Do you want to propose any better solution? I'm awaiting it always. If you did so already, I didn't notice it, I'm sorry. --ŠJů (talk) 00:57, 6 January 2014 (UTC)
- Andy Dingley, you attacked also the renamed category even though the renaming was a obliging response to the objections from the discussion. What are your real objection now? Do you mean, "driving" is not appropriate for navigation and do would preffer "control" as the adjective specifying places from where watercraft is controlled? Or you would like even fight against the idea that control stands of vehicles can have an united and structured category tree? Or even you want to defend the previous status independently on the context, all arguments, problems, questions, incorrectness etc. and to impede whatever solution and improvement? --ŠJů (talk) 02:38, 6 January 2014 (UTC)
- By "response" to the discussion, I think you mean, "My first invented name was rejected by others, so I'm going to invent another one, equally novel and groundless in origin". Will you please stop doing this, and will you please stop continuing to do this during the discussion, especially not by spreading it further and further into aircraft and goodness knows where else. Andy Dingley (talk) 02:53, 6 January 2014 (UTC)
- I totally agree with Andy that the invention and use of yet another neologism is very premature.
- Even if, for the sake of argument, you convinced other contributors here that we should use a neologism, in place of the long established English terms, others might conclude that a DIFFERENT neologism should be used, like Category:Driving consoles of watercraft, or Category:Navigation consoles of watercraft. Using your new neologism, before a conclusion has been reached here, is premature.
- If you really think a neologism is appropriate, then I urge you to concentrate on making a convincing case for such. Geo Swan (talk) 19:42, 6 January 2014 (UTC)
- User:Geo Swan, I´m very pleased that you come with some constructive proposal at last, though with many useless talks and in inappropriate section of the discussion. Andy Dingley said nothing to the core of the problem, thus I suppose that he has no objections to the your proposal and it can be immediately applied. The remained second problem above awaits your work still. --ŠJů (talk) 21:54, 6 January 2014 (UTC)
- Edit war, captain's cabins and sea captains
I have some doubts regarding Geo Swans edit war about Category:Captain's cabins on United States Navy ships.
I supposed that Captain's cabins is an approximate synonyme or analogy of the more known term "Captain's bridge", i.e. that it is a post from that the captain works and manages the ship, not only his accommodation room. That's why I supposed that it is a type of driving posts on the ships. I do appologize if I was mistaken. Anyway, the creator of Category:Captain's cabins on United States Navy ships omitted to create or find appropriate parent category of "captain's cabins" and this problem needs to be solved.
However, what I'm not able to understand, why Geo Swan removed this obviously insufficiently categorized category also from the category Sea captain. Do you assert that captain's cabin have nothing to do with the captain? Or it is only your mistake from your ardour and carelessness? Or even this is a symptom of your specific way of understanding of categories generally? Are you able admit any relation between captains and their cabins? --ŠJů (talk) 01:23, 6 January 2014 (UTC)
- I dispute I was edit warring:
- User:ŠJů, as discussed at Commons:Categories for discussion/2014/01/Category:Sea captain, your subject field knowledge of maritime matters falls short of that required to make changes without consulting other contributors first.
- There is the principle of Status quo ante -- when there is a disagreement the simplest path is to leave the article, category, whatever, in the state it was in before the agreement, and only change it once the disagreement is resolved and only if the conclusion is that a change is in order.
- Yes, Captains and Captain's cabins are related. Generally, workmen, and their tools, are related. For many fields of endeavour we capture that relationship by placing both the workmen, in the case of Astronauts and Cosmonauts, and their tools, in their case space-suits and space-capsules, we had placed them in the same parent categories, in their case space exploration.
- We have no consensus that the category for workmen should be the parent category for their traditional tools. For most fields of endeavour we have placed both workmen and tools in the parent cat for the field. Nothing prevents you from trying to make the case for your preferred structure. But please don't act as if you already had a consensus lined up for your personal preference. Geo Swan (talk) 18:39, 8 January 2014 (UTC)
- Subjects which are specifically related to one specific function or profession should be categorized under the category of the function or profession. Especially when they are even named after it. We categorize by item here and the categorization is modular, not only a simple hyponymic hierarchy as you assume. However, the content of the category should be structured into suitable subcategories to be not mixed. Also a special sort key for rare or specific types of subcategories is used when there is a need to keep order. Deficient, incomplete and unlinked categorization is clearly not a better way. General principles of categorization are given already, we need not to waste our time with inventing of invented and established principles.
- Btw: the factual section above is without your reaction for 3 days still (while you wrote many useless talks elsewhere). While your justified factual objections were accepted immediately, you seems to ignore unresolved questions and to be not willing to participate in the discussion seriously. Pure negativism and factual passivity is not the preferred principle of collaboration on Commons. If you are unwilling to help with the work, you cann't block all others wilfully. You introduced really a mess to the discussion, spreading it to many various places and disrupting its structure. Should I help you to find and resume to you the unresolved problems and unanswered factual questions from the discussion, unless you are able to make it oneself? What is "Status quo ante" in your view? To rename Rolling stock driving cabs back to Train cockpits and its parent category to Cockpits? You have achieved clearly not a consensus on such solution. We need look for the best solution, not to shove our heads into sand as proverbial ostrichs. We need to define and classify various types of driving stands, we need to distinguish essential distinctions from accidental language distinctions, wee need consider the best names for all levels of affected categories, we need to decide how detailed will be the categorization structure at affected levels etc. You got stuck in one particular problem (which was resolved already) and seem to be not able to advance. --ŠJů (talk) 21:19, 8 January 2014 (UTC)
- Misleading edit summaries
Please do not use misleading edit summaries: [9] Particularly not when they are used in this disparaging manner to imply that you are correcting their mistake, when in fact they had just corrected yours – an error so obvious that you had even left it in place yourself. Andy Dingley (talk) 01:54, 6 January 2014 (UTC)
- I see nothing "disparaging" on the fact that I corrected
youran obvious mistake and i see nothing missleading on the fact that my revert is labelled as a revert. If you are convinced that captain's cabins at maritime ships have nothing to do with sea captains, you should explain such unexpected assertion. --ŠJů (talk) 02:03, 6 January 2014 (UTC)
- Firstly this wasn't my edit
- Secondly it's not about captains, it's about your categorisation of captain's cabins as Driving cabs.
- Your edits in all this have been inaccurate and inept. Your comments in relation to others since are far from truthful. It's getting increasingly difficult to assume good faith in such conditions. Andy Dingley (talk) 02:15, 6 January 2014 (UTC)
- Could you please participate in real constructive discussion instead of looking for nonsensical and irrelevant pretexts to attack me? --ŠJů (talk) 02:18, 6 January 2014 (UTC)
- General discussion
Please notice the general discussion Commons:Categories for discussion/2014/01/Category:Driving cabs of vehicles. --ŠJů (talk) 22:13, 8 January 2014 (UTC)
@ŠJů, Andy Dingley, and Geo Swan: Apparently resolved in practice as Category:Driving cabs of watercraft is now a redirect to Category:Navigation consoles of watercraft. Closing and archiving. Josh (talk) 20:33, 5 January 2019 (UTC)
I moved this category from Category:Cockpits to Category:Driving cabs of vehicles because the word "cockpits" was criticized as inappropriate for some of subcategories. However, the new name is also not ideal because some subcategories contain driving consoles which are not in cabs or the cabs where the driving console is not specific for driving. ŠJů (talk) 21:54, 8 January 2014 (UTC)
The historic evolution of this category caused that it became a top category for all types of driving cabs, driving consoles and driving stands of various types of vehicles (and the subcategories used the word "cocpits" too). However, the word was criticized as inappropriate especially for rolling stock where the term "driving cab" is established (and a question arised which of vehicles have really "cockpits" and how other label can be used for various types of vehicles.
Please discuss the crucial questions:
- Should we keep a top category for all types of of driving cabs, driving consoles and driving stands of various types of vehicles? How name is the best for such a category?
- Which of its subcategories should keep the word "cockpits" and which of them should be renamed (or split by type of the driving post)? What names should be used for such renamed subcategories?
- Should we keep (restore) the category "Cockpits" as a subcategory of the top category? Is there some essential specific similarity of stands which are called "cockpits" toward control stands which are not called so, or this is a language randomness?
Thank you. --ŠJů (talk) 22:11, 8 January 2014 (UTC)
@ŠJů: Has been Category:Driving cabs of vehicles for five years without anyone seeing a need to comment on it, so closing the discussion. If someone wants to make a case to change it in the future, they can create a new CfD for their proposal. Josh (talk) 20:44, 5 January 2019 (UTC)
A no doubt well-meaning contributor keeps trying add Category:Captain's cabins on United States Navy ships. Is that really helpful?
Should this be used for captains of canal boats, lake freighters, river barges and city fireboats -- fresh-water vessels? Because, for this, Category:Ship captains would be a better choice. Geo Swan (talk) 20:05, 6 January 2014 (UTC)
- Comment I am going to suggest this category should redirect to Category:Ship captains, and that it should only contain images of captains, while onboard vessels they command. We could include images of former captains; we could include images of former captains, but only while wearing their captain's uniforms -- but I think this would be a mistake. In the US Navy, for instance, an officer might wait a dozen years or more for command of a vessel, and then might only command it for a year, or so. Is it really useful to place images of them in a categories devoted to ship commanders, after or before their brief period of command?
In the USN, again, some distinguished officers rise to the rank of Captain, while never commanding a vessel. In most navies, the small and medium sized vessels are commanded by Commanders or Lieutenant Commanders. So, I suggest we restrict Category:Ship captains to images of vessel commanders while actually aboard their vessels. Geo Swan (talk) 20:26, 6 January 2014 (UTC)
- Comment I am going to suggest we should include the commanders of vessels that are not always called ships, like submarines, canal barges, and fireboats. I am going to suggest we should include the commanders of vessels, without regard to their substantive rank. Henry Larsen, the Canadian explorer, was an RCMP Sergeant when he commanded the St Roch in its transits of the Northwest Passage. Geo Swan (talk) 20:26, 6 January 2014 (UTC)
- Captain (nautical) is a gallery, not a category. If the
categorygallery was improperly categorized, the fault should be immediately and simply fixed, no need to open discussion about it. - Category:Ship captains is a logical parent category of the older category Category:Sea captain. The category Category:Sea captain should be renamed to plural, it's self-evident. The question whether the category Category:Ship captains should have a special subcategory of sea captains is not so important. I personally think that maritime navigation have its significant specificity and is also legislatively distinguishable, though some vessels and captains can operate in both domains. If such special category would not exist now, we really need not to be in hurry to create them. However, i found not so weighty reasons to remove (dissolve, merge) such a long-established category.
- I have also no objections if the proposer will to create a more general parent category for all commanders of vessels, though I think, for small boats with one-man crew such a category would be not very useful. However, if Geo Swan is aware of such images which need be moved to the category, it should be created certainly.
- The category Category:Captain's cabins on United States Navy ships should be categorized under Category:Captain's cabins and Category:Captain's cabins under Category:Ship captains, there is no question to be asked. However, we can consider whether United States Navy ships are only maritime ships (and their captains only sea captains) or whether United States Navy have also some river ships or sea ships.
- The category Category:Ship captains should contain all content related to the item of ship captains. Not only portrets of the captains but also captain's uniforms, captain's documents, captain's cabins etc. Naturally, they can be sorted into appropriate subcategories, according to standard categorization conventions. Generally, we should follow standard categorization conventions and not to devise some unreasoned anomalies only for this category. Let's apply principles used for other comparable proffesions. If the person is known as a captain, his category should be categorized under Ship captains. If the person is only a disposable captain, only the content related to this function should be categorized under Ship captains. --ŠJů (talk) 21:47, 6 January 2014 (UTC)
- I nummbered your paragraphs, to make them easier to respond to:
- I think your 2nd sentence exposes a fundamental misunderstanding of what we are doing here. Our categorization is not a reflection of one perfect god-given hierarchy. We have human-built hierarchies, that rely on conventions -- agreement. Discussion is required regularly. Skipping those discussions is disruptive. For any field of study, like, for instance, the classification of insect species, based on comparing their differing body parts, there are multiple possible classification schemes. Over the last couple of centuries the biologists who classify insects have agreed on the broad details their classification schemes. However, first, if you look in the right scientific journals you will see biologists are still debating the specific details of their classification. Second, if you go back early enough, in the classification of species, or in other fields of study, there were other organizational schemes, other conventions, that could have been used. Consider calculus. In the Anglosphere Newtown is often recognized as the inventor of calculus, and Liebniz is forgotten. Yet we use Liebniz's notation scheme, not Newton's. For centuries almost the entire world has represented numbers in base ten. But the ancient Mayans and the ancient Sumerians also used base sixty -- it is a legacy of their astrologers that we have sixty seconds to a minute and sixty minutes to an hour.
So I dispute your notion that "If the category was improperly categorized, the fault should be immediately and simply fixed, no need to open discussion about it."
Here on the commons we do not, in fact, have One True Classification Scheme -- we have multiple incompatible classification schemes. The extent of the incompatibility isn't always obvious because so much classification remains to be done.
Classifying using the existing category feature sucks. The category feature is deeply inadqeuate as a mechanism for collaborators to agree on how to classify intellectual content, and the sooner if is replaced with a mechanism with greater memory, better facility for documentation, the better.
- When you write that one of those categories is the logical parent category of the other it seems to me you are making the mistake of implying your interpretation is "obvious" -- well I wrote a wiki-essay where I explain why nothing is obvious.
I will repeat that you seem to be overlooking that there are deeply experienced captains who never served at sea. There are 150 lake freighters that travel the North American Great Lakes. There have been thousands or tens of thousands of deeply experienced captains of these vessels who never served "at sea", because all their experience as an officer, had been on fresh water. Similarly, in Europe, you will find deeply experienced captains whose only experience has been on Europe's rivers and canals.
I am left guessing as to what you mean by "I personally think that maritime navigation have its significant specificity and is also legislatively distinguishable, though some vessels and captains can operate in both domains." I suspect this is an instance where being an ESL person is what is causing the confusion. I believe that, in English, "maritime navigation" is a term that applies to navigation at sea, navigation on canals, and navigation on natural rivers and lakes -- but I wonder if you might think the term distinguishes between navigation at sea and navigation elsewhere.
- I too doubt that when a vessel is operated by a single crew member he or she is referred to as a captain. However, I will yield to a genuine nautical expert on this point. As for your request for a "more general parent category for all commanders of vessels" -- wait a second, shouldn't you explain what is wrong with Category:Ship captains first?
- Please look at Category:Space suits and Category:Space suits of the United States. Your insistence that "Category:Captain's cabins on United States Navy ships should be categorized under Category:Captain's cabins and Category:Captain's cabins under Category:Ship captains" makes as much sense as it would to insist that Space suits should be elements of Category:Astronauts. Astronaut is an occupation. A space suit is something used in the space program. Ship captain is an occupation and a cabin is something a mariner uses. You still haven't established why captain's cabin should be an element of Ship captains. Please don't simply claim it is "obvious".
- You assert Category:Ship captains should be the parent category for "all content related to ... ship captains [including] ... captain's uniforms, captain's documents, captain's cabins etc." It is something you seem ready to insist upon as if it were "obvious". But we have already categorized Category:Military rank insignia by country. What possible value do you see in your preferred structure?
ESL time -- I don't know what you mean by "disposble captain". Geo Swan (talk) 17:56, 7 January 2014 (UTC)
- I think your 2nd sentence exposes a fundamental misunderstanding of what we are doing here. Our categorization is not a reflection of one perfect god-given hierarchy. We have human-built hierarchies, that rely on conventions -- agreement. Discussion is required regularly. Skipping those discussions is disruptive. For any field of study, like, for instance, the classification of insect species, based on comparing their differing body parts, there are multiple possible classification schemes. Over the last couple of centuries the biologists who classify insects have agreed on the broad details their classification schemes. However, first, if you look in the right scientific journals you will see biologists are still debating the specific details of their classification. Second, if you go back early enough, in the classification of species, or in other fields of study, there were other organizational schemes, other conventions, that could have been used. Consider calculus. In the Anglosphere Newtown is often recognized as the inventor of calculus, and Liebniz is forgotten. Yet we use Liebniz's notation scheme, not Newton's. For centuries almost the entire world has represented numbers in base ten. But the ancient Mayans and the ancient Sumerians also used base sixty -- it is a legacy of their astrologers that we have sixty seconds to a minute and sixty minutes to an hour.
- I nummbered your paragraphs, to make them easier to respond to:
- Captain (nautical) is a gallery, not a category. If the
- 1. The principle that a gallery should be categorized in the category of identic item is clear and established enough. No need to blather around it. The simple fault is fixed now. Maybe, you was confused that I used one wrong word in my answer, nevertheless the distinction between galleries and categories can be understandable for you. I believe, I need not to explain to you what gallery pages at Commons are.
- 2. You are right, I didn't anticipate that English applies the term "maritime navigation" also to inland navigation. It sounds very comically to an inhabitant of inland country to call river transport "maritime" but my language have also some illogicalities and oddities (diesel ships are called "parník" = steamship colloquially etc.). Do you deduce from it that all captains of river ships are "sea captains" also? I would like to believe you but some reliable sources supporting your opinion would be required. As soon as you give evidence of such claim, we can merge both categories according to your proposal immadiately. Opinion of some other native speakers at least from GB and US would be also useful before the action.
- 3. I said nothing against Category:Ship captains. You was who proposed an other and still more general category, and I expressed my agreement/support with the condition that a real need for such category exists here.
- 4., 5.: Thank you for the notice. The faults are fixed now. It's maybe surprising for you but hyponymy is not the sole type of categorization relation used here. Commons is categorized by topic.
- When you don't understand a word used by ESL, look the context and consult a dictionary. You talked about "an officer which wait a dozen years or more for command of a vessel and command it for a year, or so." I mentioned a "disposable captain" in the answer in this context. Maybe, connotations of the word "disposable" are a bit hyperbolic and "occasional" would be a better word but I suppose, a native speaker can be also a bit intelligent. --ŠJů (talk) 00:41, 8 January 2014 (UTC)
- I agree there are times when a category should have multiple parent categories. Category:Water Transport on the Hudson River currently has Category:Hudson River and Category:Water transport by river. Some categories should really have more than two parent categories. Some only require one. If a category is going to be the only element in what might otherwise be its logical parent category, don't we skip sometimes skip creating that category?
Yes, I understand the difference between a category and a gallery page. Note, that gallery page had the expository text the categories were missing, and a category that included that text and those elements could easily have been created.
- Yes, languages are full of quirks. Before he was emporer Julius Caesar wrote a book on his conquest of Trans-alpine Gaul. Schoolboys learning Latin had to read it, as an example. Its famous first sentence is usually translated as "Gaul is divided into three parts." But Caesar wrote it when mathematicians still used Roman Numerals, and the language of math was more primitive, and I have read that a literal translation of what he wrote would have been, "Gaul is quartered into three halves." Please don't worry for one moment about "maritime captains". I am glad I could figure out what you really meant.
No, sorry, I don't think anyone has to prove that Sea captain is synonymous with Ship captain. They are both casual, colloquial terms. We don't have to include every casual, colloquial term in our category system. IMO Ship captain is less casual, less colloquial. Captain, of course, is way overloaded with meanings, in English, with Captain as an army rank, and Captain of Industry, and a bunch of other meanings, which must be disambiguated. But I don't see "Sea Captain" as one of the terms that needs to be disambiguated.
- Actually, someone else started Category:Ship captains. I didn't create it, I merely drew it to your attention.
- You thanked me for drawing your attention to what you characterize as "faults" in the categorization of Category:Space suits. I thought we had agreed everyone had an obligation to do their best to understand what their correspondents really meant. Are you telling me it didn't occur to you that I was satisfied at the then current state of categorization of Space suits, where it was not an element of Category:Astronaut or Category:Cosmonaut? Did it not occur to you that I was offering that as a counter-example showing we don't always shoehorn the tools in a field in to the category for the workmen in the field? For lots of fields both the tools and the workmen have the name of the field as their parent categories.
Sorry, your "correction" of this "fault" seems extremely aggressive -- and disrespectful. I am perfectly happy to have you make a case for the general principle that tools commonly belong in the category for a workman in the field that normally uses them. If I list a couple of dozen examples where the parent category for the tools in a field is the name of that field, not the name of the workman, please don't tell me you are going to unilaterally "correct" all of them too?
- Category:Marbleworking tools
- has the parent categories Category:Marbleworking, Category:Sculpturing, Category:Tools by trade
- Category:Milling tools
- has the parent categories Category:Cutting tools
- Category:Textile tools
- has the parent categories Category:Textiles, Category:Tools
- Category:Hive tools
- has the parent categories Category:Tools, Category:Beekeeping equipment
- Category:Beekeeping equipment
- has the parent categories Category:Beekeeping, Category:Animal-related equipment
- Category:Harvest tools
- has the parent categories Category:Harvest, Category:Agricultural tools
- Category:Textile tools
- has the parent categories Category:Textiles, Category:Tools
- Category:Horology tools
- has the parent categories Category:Horology, Category:Horology, Workshops, Category:Tools by trade
- Category:Jewellery tools
- has the parent categories Category:Jewellery making, Category:Tools by trade
- Category:Woodworking tools
- has the parent categories Category:Woodworking , Category:Mechanical tools, Category:Carpentry, Category:Tools by trade
- Category:Alchemical tools
- has the parent categories Category:Alchemy, Category:Laboratory equipment
- Category:Writing_tools
- has the parent categories Category:Communication tools, Category:Educational tools, Category:Handwriting, Category:Writing, Category:Office equipment
- Category:Mortars (tools)
- has the parent categories Category:Mechanical hand tools, Category:Laboratory equipment, Category:Hand grinders, Category:Kitchen utensils
- Category:Stonemason's tools
- has the parent categories Category:Stonemasonry, Category:Mechanical hand tools, Category:Masonry equipment
- Category:Glassworking tools
- has the parent categories Category:Glassworking, Category:Glass techniques, Category:Mechanical tools, Category:Tools by trade
- Category:Silversmithing tools
- has the parent categories Category:Silversmithing, Category:Tools by trade
- Category:Machining tools
- has the parent categories Category:Machining, Category:Mechanical tools
- Category:Engraving tools
- has the parent categories Category:Engraving, Category:Tools by trade, Category:Printmaking tools
- Category:Marbleworking tools
- Okay, your use of the term "occasional captain" -- it is due to your forgiveable lack of knowledge of the differing career paths of merchant fleet officers and naval officers.
Lecture time. Someone who commands a vessel is entitled to the title captain. For centuries, navies have had vessels too small to merit being commanded by someone with the actual rank of captain. Depending on their size they are commanded by Lieutenants, Lieutenant Commanders, and Commanders. The early USN once had a rank "Master Commandant". Navies that operated in German had those double-barrelled German names, like Kapitan-zur-zee to distinguish between the different ranks who might command a vessel. In English, Lieutenants, Lieutenant Commanders and Commanders, who were in command of a vessel, were addressed by the courtesy title "Captain", although their actual rank was more junior than the substantive rank, Captain. I think you have confused these two terms. Naval officers can reach, or pass through, the substantive rank of Captain without ever being the captain of a ship. Naval officers hold staff positions. Naval officers hold specialty positions. Admiral Hyman Rickover, one of the USN's most important officers, was in the engineering branch, and never commanded a ship.
For a long time every ambitious naval officer, who wanted to hold their navy's very highest rank, knew he would have to command a ship, at some point in their career. That might still be true in some navies.
Merchant captains, on the other hand, don't hold shore based administrative positions. Nowadays merchant officers go to a merchant officer school, serve for a time as a cadet or apprentice officer, pass an exam that confirms they have the knowledge to be a captain, and get a "master's certificate". Once they have that certificate they are qualified to serve as a "mate" aboard a vessel. Depending on the size of the vessels they serve on, their job performance, the needs of their company, they can look forward to promotion from third mate to second mate, to first mate, and possibly to be the captain commanding a vessel. If their health permits, and they don't make any huge mistakes, they can expect to serve as a captain for the rest of their career.
During a huge war, like World Wars One and Two, navies start huge ship-building programs, and have a need for experienced officers to command them. This is where the strategy of giving the best officers a crack at commanding one of the few vessel in the navy, during peace time. When a huge war comes that requires ten times as many captains, there are experienced captains to fill those roles. Huge long wars that trigger huge ship-building booms are rare, and for most officers those brief peace-time commands are all they get. Geo Swan (talk) 17:48, 8 January 2014 (UTC)
- Regarding the relation between "Captain' cabins" and "Captains", your work on the analysis of the tools subcategories is not very relevant, unfortunately. Only one of them is related directly to specific profession, all others are namad after activity, none of them is related to a specific function. Your analysis is not very represenative if you wanted really to analyse types of categorizative relations used at Commons. If we would have more non-personal subcategories of the item "Captains", we can create a parent category like "Captainship" or "Captaincy" for them (similarly as we have "Papacy" over "Popes"). If we have not such a parent category, the whole item of naval captains belongs into the existing category (and the non-personal subcategories - specific for captains - should be separated e.g. with a space before the sort key to be not mixed with persons by name). However, the direct relation between captain's cabin and captain's function is relevant, specific, and undeniable.
- If both categories (Sea captain and Ship captains) contain maritime captains only and there is no need to distinguish some different types or levels of this title, I have nothing against merger of them under the name "Ship captains". In the law of my country, the word "kapitán" is oficially used only in the Maritime Navigation Act, not in the "Inland Navigation Act", that's why I'm ready to consider "ship captains" and "sea captains" as synonymes. --ŠJů (talk) 07:22, 10 January 2014 (UTC)
- The category should be plural "Sea captains" to be harmonized. --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) (talk) 17:50, 19 July 2016 (UTC)
@Geo Swan, ŠJů, and Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ): There appears to be consensus as of 2014 that there is no problem with merging Category:Sea captain into Category:Ship captains. If a clear definition of "Sea captain" is developed (maybe linked to an article or Wikidata item) and it is clear what should go in it, it can be re-created, but should be named Category:Sea captains in accordance with basic naming rules. For now, merging, closing, and archiving. Josh (talk) 22:50, 5 January 2019 (UTC)
See User talk:Ralf Roletschek#COM:CAT (german).
I renamed the category to Niederfinow boat lift giving the following reason ([10]):
correct name according to enwiki, "Schiffshebewerk Niederfinow" is only used by dewiki; no exeception should be made here according to COM:CAT
Ralf Roletschek reverted this giving the following reason ([11]):
"Schiffshebewerk Niederfinow" ist ein Eigenname
FDMS (WP: en, de) 17:34, 14 January 2014 (UTC)
- Keep weil:
- es ist ein Eigenname
- Wikidata legt nicht fest, was ein Eigenname ist
- Boote werden nur in Ausnahmefällen geschleust, das Hebewerk ist für Schiffe gebaut
- "Schiffsfahrstuhl" ist in der Literatur zwar gebräuchlich, allerdings immer in Anführungsstrichen
- wenn ein englischer Redirect existiert, gibt es keinen Grund, ein deutsches Objekt nicht auch deutsch zu bezeichnen.
- Der benachbarte Neubau heißt "Schiffshebewerk Niederfinow Nord" und nicht anders, das haben der damalige Bundesverkehrsminister und der brandenburgische Ministerpräsident bei der Grundsteinlegung so festgelegt: "Wir taufen dich..."
- Derartige Umbenennungen führen nur dazu, daß niemand mehr was wiederfindet. Und man verliert massiv die Lust, etwas beizutragen, wenn einem so in die Beine gegrätscht wird. Weit über 90% der über 500 Bilder sind von mir und meinem Kumpel. --Ralf Roleček 19:18, 14 January 2014 (UTC)
- Boat heißt/means Schiff [12], boat lift heißt/means Schiffshebewerk [13]. |FDMS (WP: en, de) 19:51, 14 January 2014 (UTC)
- Soll etwa sowas: Category:Sbratření (Vrchlického sady) auch künstlich englisch gemacht werden? Das ist nicht mein Werk, habe es nur bemerkt, weil da ein Bild von mir drin gelandet ist. Und es ist richtig, daß das tschechische Denkmal tschechisch benannt wird. --Ralf Roleček 20:25, 15 January 2014 (UTC)
- Kategorienamen von obigem Typ sollten nur in äußersten Ausnahmefällen verwendet werden, da sie mir zum Beispiel nicht mehr als eine zufällige Zahlenkombination sagen. Da mir völlig unklar ist was der Titel sagen soll kann ich auch nicht entscheiden, ob der Name in diesem Fall geeignet ist oder nicht, das könnte ich nur wenn ich entweder die Sprache sprechen würde oder Interwikilinks vorhanden wären, was beides im Gegensatz zum Niederfinow boat lift nicht der Fall ist. |FDMS (WP: en, de) 20:55, 15 January 2014 (UTC)
- Nicht jeder spricht Englisch. Aber Tschechen sprechen Tschechisch, Deutsche sprechen Deutsch und Chinesen Chinesisch. --Ralf Roleček 22:46, 15 January 2014 (UTC)
- Mehr Tschechen sprechen Englisch als Commons-User gesamt Tschechisch. Viele Deutsche und Tschechen sprechen besser Englisch als ihre Haupt-Landessprache. |FDMS (WP: en, de) 06:57, 16 January 2014 (UTC)
- Nicht jeder spricht Englisch. Aber Tschechen sprechen Tschechisch, Deutsche sprechen Deutsch und Chinesen Chinesisch. --Ralf Roleček 22:46, 15 January 2014 (UTC)
- Kategorienamen von obigem Typ sollten nur in äußersten Ausnahmefällen verwendet werden, da sie mir zum Beispiel nicht mehr als eine zufällige Zahlenkombination sagen. Da mir völlig unklar ist was der Titel sagen soll kann ich auch nicht entscheiden, ob der Name in diesem Fall geeignet ist oder nicht, das könnte ich nur wenn ich entweder die Sprache sprechen würde oder Interwikilinks vorhanden wären, was beides im Gegensatz zum Niederfinow boat lift nicht der Fall ist. |FDMS (WP: en, de) 20:55, 15 January 2014 (UTC)
- Soll etwa sowas: Category:Sbratření (Vrchlického sady) auch künstlich englisch gemacht werden? Das ist nicht mein Werk, habe es nur bemerkt, weil da ein Bild von mir drin gelandet ist. Und es ist richtig, daß das tschechische Denkmal tschechisch benannt wird. --Ralf Roleček 20:25, 15 January 2014 (UTC)
- Boat heißt/means Schiff [12], boat lift heißt/means Schiffshebewerk [13]. |FDMS (WP: en, de) 19:51, 14 January 2014 (UTC)
Keep as Category:Schiffshebewerk Niederfinow because it's a proper name (Eigenname). --Stepro (talk) 14:41, 16 January 2014 (UTC)
- You are not the first one claiming that, so please provide evidence. All I can see is that the german Wikipedia is the only project calling it "Schiffshebewerk Niederfinow" – if there were English websites using "Schiffshebewerk Niederfinow" things would be different. |FDMS (WP: en, de) 18:05, 16 January 2014 (UTC)
Keep Beim Schiffshebewerk Niederfinow handelt es sich um einen Eigennamen, der so auch in amtlichen Flur- und Schifffahrtskarten eingetragen ist. --Mogelzahn (talk) 20:04, 16 July 2014 (UTC)
- Here's an official document from the Eberswalde Office of Waterways and Shipping (Wasserstraßen- und Schifffahrtsamt Eberswalde) – guess what term it uses. FDMS 4 08:17, 11 January 2017 (UTC)
- Klar tut man hier was für die Touristen. Das ände3rt nichts an der Tatsache, daß es ein Eigenname ist. Nur du sträubst dich dagegen. --Ralf Roleček 11:24, 11 January 2017 (UTC)
- Nun, wie gesagt, ich bin der festen Überzeugung dass es sich dabei um keinen Eigennamen handelt. Jedoch ist Eigenname bzw. "proper noun" ein mitunter nicht messerscharf definierter Begriff sodass sich allerspätestens nachdem selbst die deutsche Behörde für nicht-deutschsprachige einen internationalen Begriff verwendet meiner Meinung nach auch bei euch die Frage stellen sollte, ob wir als im Gegensatz zur deutschen Behörde deklariert internationales Projekt nicht auch einen Begriff verwenden könnten, dessen Bedeutung nicht nur die deutschsprachigen 2% verstehen. FDMS 4 18:51, 11 January 2017 (UTC)
- Ich werde mich darum kümmern, daß die Behörde demnächst den spanischen und russischen Begriff verwendet. Ich plädiere dann für eine russische Kategorie, da die meisten ausländischen Besucher Russisch sprechen. Was für ein Nonsens, alles krampfhaft auf Englisch zu betiteln. Wieso überhaupt Englisch? Commons ist international. --Ralf Roleček 10:10, 14 February 2017 (UTC)
- @FDMS4: COM:CAT clearly states "Proper nouns which do not have an established English variant are not translated ad hoc but use the original form." I do not think that the document you presented represents an official establishment of an English variant, but instead is merely their attempt to translate it ad hoc, given that they use it inconsistently within the document. Thus it would seem according to COM:CAT that the category should remain under its proper German name. Josh (talk) 23:30, 5 January 2019 (UTC)
- @Ralf Roletschek: I sympathize with your frustration in that an international project has adopted a language you are not fluent in. However, the English standard is well established and discussion of it belongs at a much higher level than a CfD. Not liking the English standard on Commons is not valid grounds for demanding German category names. Note that while English is standard for Commons category names, COM:CAT is clear that for an item with a German name and no official English variant, the German name should be used, and I believe that is the valid reason for retaining the German name in this case. Josh (talk) 23:30, 5 January 2019 (UTC)
- Nun, wie gesagt, ich bin der festen Überzeugung dass es sich dabei um keinen Eigennamen handelt. Jedoch ist Eigenname bzw. "proper noun" ein mitunter nicht messerscharf definierter Begriff sodass sich allerspätestens nachdem selbst die deutsche Behörde für nicht-deutschsprachige einen internationalen Begriff verwendet meiner Meinung nach auch bei euch die Frage stellen sollte, ob wir als im Gegensatz zur deutschen Behörde deklariert internationales Projekt nicht auch einen Begriff verwenden könnten, dessen Bedeutung nicht nur die deutschsprachigen 2% verstehen. FDMS 4 18:51, 11 January 2017 (UTC)
- Klar tut man hier was für die Touristen. Das ände3rt nichts an der Tatsache, daß es ein Eigenname ist. Nur du sträubst dich dagegen. --Ralf Roleček 11:24, 11 January 2017 (UTC)
No consensus to delete or rename. Josh (talk) 22:02, 29 January 2019 (UTC)
Should probably be merged upward with Category:Translate extension. TeleComNasSprVen (talk) 09:14, 29 January 2014 (UTC)
- Agree --Ioannis Protonotarios (talk) 10:03, 29 January 2014 (UTC)
- What about Category:Screenshots of Translate extension-el? --rimshottalk 21:28, 6 June 2014 (UTC)
Weak oppose But not everything in Category:Translate extension is a screenshot. Category:Screenshots of Translate extension is a subcategory of both Category:Screenshots of MediaWiki extensions and Category:Translate extension, which is useful accurate information; if we remove it then we ought to add Category:Screenshots of MediaWiki extensions to all its members. -- SPage (WMF) (talk) 21:14, 10 September 2015 (UTC)
@TeleComNasSprVen, Protnet, Rimshot, and SPage (WMF): It appears this category is cleaned a bit since last discussion. There are lot of screenshots in the parent category, so any opposition to keeping this category as a place for those (and those already there)? If not, this discussion can be closed. Josh (talk) 23:37, 5 January 2019 (UTC)
- Keep Can't remember how it was 5 years ago, but now the category also fits nicely into Category:Screenshots of MediaWiki extensions. --rimshottalk 20:33, 8 January 2019 (UTC)
Kept, cleaned-up and in use now. --rimshottalk 20:34, 29 January 2019 (UTC)
Reasons for discussion request: cf. Commons_talk:Babel#Extension:Babel, broken since 2014-01-07, when this category was erroneously created. The category is populated by {{#babel:...|bg-X|...}} instead of Category:User bg. –Be..anyone (talk) 16:53, 31 January 2014 (UTC)
- Do you mean to say that deleting this category would fix this problem? --rimshottalk 22:45, 27 February 2014 (UTC)
- Dunno, I can only say that
{{#babel:User BG-n}}does not more work since it was created. The bug could be elsewhere, and just happened to create the bogus upper case categories. –Be..anyone (talk) 00:39, 28 February 2014 (UTC)- The first user contained in this category that I checked had a babel box with
{{#babel:en-N|fr-1|es-0|BG-0|ANI-0|VG-0|PH-1}}. I think BG means Bitmap Graphics in this case, not Bulgarian (compare with VG for Vector Graphics). Might the babel template need to be extended to support this ability too? --rimshottalk 23:21, 5 March 2014 (UTC)
- The first user contained in this category that I checked had a babel box with
- On the template side {{Babel|BG-1|tlh-0}} (example) works as always and as it should, i.e., nothing is wrong with {{User BG-1}}, {{User tlh-0}}, etc. On the extension side #babel:tlh-0 always ignored the existing template using its own English text instead of Klingon. The extension got BG-1 always right until January, 6. One day later the bogus category was created, and BG-1&Co. failed. You can see the working templates on {{User/Language2}} and {{User/Abilities}}. –Be..anyone (talk) 07:43, 6 March 2014 (UTC)
- As a test, I have deleted the page. It was instantly re-created by User:Babel AutoCreate and the user boxes still didn't work correctly. --rimshottalk 21:04, 6 March 2014 (UTC)
- Thanks, the category appears to be less populated now, as it was in January after this oddity started. Mostly folks like McZusatz, where I guess that they want BG-n for bitmap graphics, not bulgarian. –Be..anyone (talk) 07:48, 7 March 2014 (UTC)
- Dunno, I can only say that
The same is the case with Category:User AF which is Afrikaans (Category:User af) versus Category:Audio file editors with its subcategories AF-0, AF-1, AF-2, AF-3. There the software puts the Afrikaans template onto the user page, when someone puts these into the babel extension. These categories have to be deleted, but before that, the user pages have to be fixed. --October wind (talk) 00:13, 12 March 2014 (UTC)
- Thanks for your ad hoc warning boxes on the category pages, somehow I missed that this is now supposed to be a "documented bug" also known as "feature".
–Be..anyone (talk) 18:29, 12 December 2014 (UTC)
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@Be..anyone, Rimshot, and October wind: Three years later, there are still items in these categories. Do we still want to delete? - Themightyquill (talk) 09:20, 12 January 2018 (UTC)
- Keep, this is a category for users with bitmap graphics capabilities. If the babel extension is buggy, open a bug entry at Bugzilla. --rimshottalk 22:04, 27 January 2018 (UTC)
- @Rimshot: Are you sure? There is only one user in this category and BG is for Bulgarian language on their user page. This category is a sub of Category:User bg (the Bulgarian language cat) and has nothing to do with bitmap graphics at this point. It appears we should merge it into Category:User bg. Josh (talk) 23:04, 5 January 2019 (UTC)
- It's not surprising that the category isn't used to indicate Bitmap Graphics ability when a bug has prevented it from doing exactly that for several years. In its current state, I agree that it can be upmerged. --rimshottalk 20:37, 8 January 2019 (UTC)
- @Rimshot: Are you sure? There is only one user in this category and BG is for Bulgarian language on their user page. This category is a sub of Category:User bg (the Bulgarian language cat) and has nothing to do with bitmap graphics at this point. It appears we should merge it into Category:User bg. Josh (talk) 23:04, 5 January 2019 (UTC)
Category is now empty. If in the future, the extension is fixed to use this category correctly, it can be re-created. Josh (talk) 22:28, 29 January 2019 (UTC)
This is an overly specific category. This should be upmerged into Category:Township route shield templates since that category only contains this subcategory. –Fredddie™ 17:58, 22 January 2014 (UTC)
- Upmerge, per nom. --AdmrBoltz 02:08, 23 January 2014 (UTC)
- @Fredddie and Admrboltz: It might have been overly specific in 2014, but it now contains 23 images. Can we close as keep? - Themightyquill (talk) 14:37, 20 November 2018 (UTC)
- The point still stands. The only thing in the Township route shield templates category is this Ohio category. –Fredddie™ 03:00, 21 November 2018 (UTC)
- @Fredddie and Themightyquill: As long as Ohio is the only state we have media for, these two categories should be merged, but what about redirecting Category:Township route shield templates to Category:Ohio township route shield templates? I know normally we would go the other way, but this way if media from another state is added, it would be easy to reopen Category:Township route shield templates and have both state-specific categories under it at that point. If we go the other way, then the new state's files will get dumped in with Ohio's and will have to be sorted. Josh (talk) 22:37, 5 January 2019 (UTC)
- @Fredddie and Admrboltz: It might have been overly specific in 2014, but it now contains 23 images. Can we close as keep? - Themightyquill (talk) 14:37, 20 November 2018 (UTC)
Closed, in use as Ohio specific category. As no other such "township route" categories are used, parent cat deleted. -- Infrogmation of New Orleans (talk) 23:26, 3 September 2019 (UTC)