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Jorge Nieves

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Tagged for notability since 2019, tried looking his name up on Google, but hardly anything came up, especially since a lot of other people have the same name. Other than player profile sites and a couple Wikipedia mirrors, nothing else comes up. Searching his full name yields nothing either. Procyon117 (talk) 06:37, 6 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Rick Bevan

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Non-notable RL player. Was unable to find any WP:SIGCOV at Trove, other than a few mentions of him being the father of his much more famous son. J Mo 101 (talk) 18:33, 5 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Speedy Keep. Nomination fails to raise a cas as to why this needs to be deleted when the obvious alternative of a redirect to List of Sydney Roosters players is there. duffbeerforme (talk) 23:23, 5 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thamir Muhsin

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Unnotable lecturer at the Baghdad University. No significant coverage. SolxrgashiUnited (talk) 17:29, 5 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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And where did you look for sources? BeanieFan11 (talk) 18:50, 5 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Internet... SolxrgashiUnited (talk) 19:12, 5 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Where on the internet? Did you look with his Arabic name? In books? What about newspaper archives? Because that's where the coverage would be; a plain English Google search isn't sufficient. BeanieFan11 (talk) 19:37, 5 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Matty Macarthur

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No indication of meeting WP:SPORTCRIT or WP:GNG Daemonickangaroo2018 (talk) 16:22, 5 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete (or Draftify so that it can be improved if/when Macarthur receives anything more than routine and statistical coverage). Paul W (talk) 16:47, 5 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 19:20, 5 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Till Thomsen

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A german curler who appeared once in the 1996 World Men's Curling Championship. There is nothing notable about him SolxrgashiUnited (talk) 13:46, 5 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep. Passes WP:CURLING for having played in the World Championships.-- Earl Andrew - talk 14:33, 5 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Chris Begg

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Unnotable canadian football player. SolxrgashiUnited (talk) 13:40, 5 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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"Football" player? Clearly you did your research before nominating this article! Anyway, after a quick google search, it seems there are RS for him. He also played in two Olympics, which helps. So I vote keep-- Earl Andrew - talk 14:26, 5 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

whoops... My bad! SolxrgashiUnited (talk) 14:44, 5 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep: Lots of coverage in Gnewspapers when he was in the US baseball system [1], then some from back in Canada [2]. Oaktree b (talk) 15:14, 5 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Earl Reisser

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Unnotable american football player. All references listed in this article are broken. I couldn't find anything about him on the Internet. SolxrgashiUnited (talk) 11:11, 5 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep. The obituary from The Courier-Journal (here) is WP:SIGCOV, and together with the other sources (e.g., this and this), there's enough to satisfy WP:NBASIC. Cbl62 (talk) 15:16, 5 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep, per Cbl62's sources. Maybe speedy? This editor with little experience has been mass nominating random articles, almost all of which currently have clear keep consensuses ([3]). BeanieFan11 (talk) 16:42, 5 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Indeed. This new editor (< 1 month editing) has now nominated 19 quick AfDs today.Cbl62 (talk) 20:24, 5 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Meets GNG per above sources. ~EDDY ^{(talk/contribs)}~ 18:50, 5 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ronnie Harris (sprinter)

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Does not appear to meet notability guidelines, specifically "Sports biographies must include at least one reference to a source providing significant coverage of the subject"; does not appear to have received significant coverage in multiple secondary sources, to have been successful in a major competition, or won a significant honor, as described in WP:ATHLETE Stephen Hui (talk) 06:04, 5 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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~~Keep~~ per these three sources. Left guide (talk) 06:47, 5 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
All three sources clearly refer to a different Harris -- the Wikipedia article is about a sprinter, but the articles all refer to him as a middle distance runner. The Wikipedia article says he was born in 1956, but the second source says he was 31 in 1996 (i.e. born ca. 1965), and the third source says he was 21 in 1987 (so born ca. 1966). Not the same guy. Stephen Hui (talk) 07:05, 5 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Ok. I'll take your word for it, struck my !vote accordingly. Left guide (talk) 07:19, 5 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep, subject tied the world record in the 4 × 220 yards relay and was an NCAA Division I champion, was covered in e.g. "Harris Looking For Better Times". The Daily Progress. 10 Apr 1977. p. 34. Retrieved 5 December 2024. "Trackmen Ready For 1980". The Daily Progress. 4 Aug 1976. p. 13. Retrieved 5 December 2024. "Rushed to Russia: Harris takes whirlwind trip". The Daily Advance. 21 Aug 1979. p. 22. Retrieved 5 December 2024. "Sports Festival Was Not All Fun". The Daily Progress. 12 Aug 1979. p. 32. Retrieved 5 December 2024. I'll try to incorporate these into the article soon but wanted to get this out before everyone puts their votes in. --Habst (talk) 11:18, 5 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Elói Silva

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Played one match for Porto B before disappearing into the semi-pro/amateur tiers. All I can find is Mais Futebol, which is not enough on its own for WP:SPORTBASIC. No Portuguese Wikipedia article exists for him and nothing good found in a WP:BEFORE search. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 22:12, 4 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 19:20, 5 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Januário Jesus

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Despite playing one season in the second tier of Portugal, I can't find any significant coverage at all. The best that I can find is this one article in Record. We need more than this to pass WP:SPORTBASIC. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 21:59, 4 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 22:14, 4 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete – Playing one season at second tier of Portugal is a weak claim to notability. ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 13:39, 5 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Richárd Csepregi

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HLSZ has him down for one professional season followed by several at semi-pro/amateur level. My own Hungarian searches yield no significant coverage for WP:SPORTBASIC. The best that I could find was a brief injury report in Nemzeti Sport. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 19:15, 4 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment - Nemzeti Sport has 2 more very brief articles on Csepregi, neither of which explore him in detail. [4] [5]. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 19:17, 4 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Comment - 36 apps for Ferencváros, arguably the biggest club in Hungary, suggests there should be offline sources out there... Giant Snowman 21:25, 4 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

20 of those were in the second tier, which probably weakens things a bit. Still, we would expect something about him in newspapers. Nemzeti Archívum doesn't seem to have anything about him between 2005 and 2007. Hungaricana has some hits in reliable newspapers. Fradi is not independent (his club's own newspaper) and is only an image caption. Új Néplap is only an image caption and this only mentions him in passing. Heves Megyei Hírlap is also only a passing mention. Perhaps this could be moved to draft space until one source complying with WP:SPORTBASIC #5 is found? Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 21:51, 4 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Allyson Jolicoeur

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Having 4 caps is no longer a free pass. I can find no evidence of passing WP:SPORTBASIC in my own WP:BEFORE search and the article doesn't give us any non-database sources. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 19:10, 4 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 21:24, 4 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 21:42, 4 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment National team players for small countries, especially island countries, should ideally be listified. Geschichte (talk) 08:02, 5 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Bingo. Svartner (talk) 11:37, 5 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Emil Iliev

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27 mins of professional football and no significant coverage provided in the article. My own Bulgarian searches didn't yield any evidence of a WP:SPORTBASIC pass. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 18:57, 4 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 21:24, 4 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete, not close to meeting any criteria. Geschichte (talk) 08:03, 5 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Viktor Kráľ

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Kráľ played between 14 and 18 minutes of professional level before being sent to lower leagues. The closest thing to significant coverage is SME. ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 13:38, 4 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 21:23, 4 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Amaru Kaunda

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There isn't any significant coverage for this footballer. Many sources that exist are profiles or primary (i.e. published by the player's clubs). Frost 12:34, 4 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 14:41, 4 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Drafify - not currently notable, but might be in future. Giant Snowman 21:23, 4 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Shawn Kuykendall

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Fails WP:SPORTCRIT and WP:GNG. There is little to write about his playing career, with a spell in DC United that only yielded 9 minutes of playing time (no cup games, and no playing time in New York). Most of the article is either about his family, failing WP:NOTINHERITED, or about his unfortunate death that happened 8 years after he left soccer. While the death did get coverage, so does a lot of terminal patients that inspire others, and the person had to meet general notability guidelines beforehand as not to fail WP:NOTMEMORIAL. May be redirected to All-time D.C. United roster. Geschichte (talk) 11:29, 4 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect as above. Giant Snowman 21:22, 4 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ryan Cordeiro

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Fails WP:SPORTCRIT and WP:GNG - coverage seems trivial, brief career, spell in DC United only yielded 205 minutes of playing time. May be redirected to All-time D.C. United roster. Geschichte (talk) 11:23, 4 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep - plenty of coverage, see e.g. [6], [7], [8], [9]. At most it should be redirected. Giant Snowman 18:51, 4 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep – Per new sources presented by GiantSnowman. Svartner (talk) 21:43, 4 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect per nomination. The sources presented by GiantSnowman are routine transfer announcements. ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 13:39, 5 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Respectfully, you clearly haven't read the sources. For example, this is a profile of him when he was a college student, talking about his ambitions. Giant Snowman 19:10, 5 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Gardner Cadwalader

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This person is not notable as per WP:SPORTSPERSON and WP:GNG. The only other source I could find for this person was from worldrowing.com, found on Egyptian Arabic Wikipedia, which I don't know if it is a reliable source or not. Duke of New Gwynedd (talk | contrib.) 01:44, 4 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep: Some coverage in newspapers [10], [11], [12], a book mention [13]. First three are probably better than the book mention. Oaktree b (talk) 02:11, 4 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Jalen Markey

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I am unable to find anything approaching WP:SIGCOV for this American former soccer player. JTtheOG (talk) 20:04, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 09:03, 4 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 18:50, 4 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Pantelis Pitsillos

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This footballer played mainly in the lower levels of Cyprus and with little coverage. I found Gazzetta Greece, Sigma Live and Pafos Net, none of which showed significant coverage of Pitsillos. No evidence of WP:SPORTBASIC. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 19:20, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 21:04, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 09:02, 4 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hamad Al-Juhaini

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Another poorly sourced BLP with no claim to passing WP:SPORTBASIC created by a banned user. The best source that I can find in Arabic is a stats page, FilGoal. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 18:59, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 21:03, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 09:02, 4 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Phillip Broughton

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Four years after the notability banner was added, the article remains largely unsourced with two of the three references for this article being Broughton's own blog. PlateOfToast (talk) 18:48, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment: The blog sources weren't at all difficult to replace. He was profiled plenty of times in the media when he stood for leadership of UKIP, though the profiles are largely similar to one another and not tremendously long (Broughton came fourth and seems to have sunk without trace). Being a losing candidate in a national paerliamentary election doesn't give much weight in my view, and the current weight (and unsourced analysis) in the current Wikipedia article is not warranted. I'd probably incline towards "Weak delete" and maybe mention the candidates for UKIP leader, in the UKIP Wikipedia article.Sionk (talk) 00:33, 4 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Saleh Al-Arfej

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Poorly sourced BLP on a footballer with a very brief career and no evidence of a WP:SPORTBASIC pass, created by a now-banned user. My Arabic searches yielded stats coverage on Kooora and Koraplus and a match report mention on Kooora. None of this is even close to enough. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 18:49, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: I am unable to find anything approaching WP:SIGCOV. JTtheOG (talk) 19:32, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 21:03, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 09:01, 4 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete – The match report is not significant, nor does it describe Saleh Al-Arfej in big detail. ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 16:42, 4 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Kyohei Hagiwara

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MMA fighter fails WP:NMMA (no evidence of ever ranking in world top 10 for division) and WP:NSPORT/WP:GNG for lack of WP:SIGCOV. Coverage in article (and in WP:BEFORE search) is routine match coverage and/or non-independent coverage on the website of his fighting federation. Dclemens1971 (talk) 16:36, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete No significant independent coverage. Match results are not significant and articles on Rizin's website are not independent. Fightmatrix has his current world ranking at #524, so he's not close to meeting WP:NMMA. Papaursa (talk) 17:41, 4 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Jeff Carroll (soccer)

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Minor soccer player supported only by primary sources and routine coverage. Fails WP:SPORTCRIT and WP:GNG, spells in his two last clubs only yielded 829 minutes of playing time combined. Geschichte (talk) 12:30, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to All-time D.C. United roster as claim to fame and possible search term. Giant Snowman 21:03, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Pat Carroll (soccer)

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Minor soccer player supported only by primary sources. Fails WP:SPORTCRIT and WP:GNG, spells in his two clubs only yielded 366 minutes of playing time combined. Geschichte (talk) 12:27, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to All-time D.C. United roster as claim to fame and possible search term. Giant Snowman 21:03, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Tomáš Vantruba

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Yet another long-time stub of a Slovak men's footballer named Tomáš without sign of meeting WP:GNG. He played 87 minutes of professional league before moving to lower leagues. There are some mentions of him with his twin brother, Martin, but I can't find sources to merit a standalone, independent SIGCOV for Tomáš Vantruba himself. ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 12:27, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. Didn't really have a career, so what can we expect coverage-wise? Geschichte (talk) 13:20, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 18:43, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 21:02, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Amir Reza Mirzaei

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Fails notability, never won a major medal. his achievements are in youth level or either in minor competitions. Sports2021 (talk) 04:13, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete Reporting of results does not constitute significant independent coverage, especially when none of the results are significant enough to show WP notability. Youth martial arts events have not been considered sufficient to show notability. He is not currently among the roughly 650 people ranked by the WKF in his division and I found no evidence he'd ever competed at an Asian or World championship event as an adult, despite the article's claims of him winning Iran's national team selection matches multiple times. I remain open to changing my vote if better coverage or more significant results are found, but this is my current view based on my research. Papaursa (talk) 21:13, 4 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Matt Nance

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I am unable to find anything approaching WP:SIGCOV for this American soccer player. Fails WP:GNG. JTtheOG (talk) 02:32, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete for failure of WP:SPORTCRIT. Geschichte (talk) 13:33, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 18:23, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 19:17, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sheida Mohammadi

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Fails notability, never won anything in senior level. never even competed. based on the article she won a bronze in Gymnasiade which is far from being notable. Sports2021 (talk) 22:39, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete, she is on a track that eventually might lead somewhere, but she has not arrived at notability yet, being a participant in children's sports events. Geschichte (talk) 23:04, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Databases and lists of event results do not provide significant independent coverage that would show WP:GNG is met. There's no record she's ever competed at a World Taekwondo sanctioned event (youth or adult) and no indication of meeting WP:MANOTE. I looked up the 3 events where she won medals and she won a total of 2 fights--none of the events had more than 4 competitors so everyone got a medal. Youth and minor events do not show WP notability. Papaursa (talk) 20:04, 4 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hamidreza Sadri (Taekwondo)

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Fails notability, it was deleted once after this discussion Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Hamidreza Sadri now created under another name by the same user to trick wikipedia. This is also clearly against WP:COI. Sports2021 (talk) 22:34, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment - given that this was created by the same user as the one that created Hamidreza Sadri, could this be WP:G4 speedy deleted? Both claim to just be direct translations from Farsi Wikipedia. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 22:41, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I looked at the deleted version, and had to decline the G4 as this one has more content and more sources, so can't really be considered identical enough. I'm not commenting on whether this demonstrates any notability either, only that it appears (superficially) to be a more credible attempt at least. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 08:58, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep to me the users decided wrongly about last AFD , because he has the notablity of sportpersons in Wikipedia and I Didn't tricks anyone I just couldn't put New AFD, however This article is only translated from the farsi Wikipedia . Hamidreza Sadri is holder of Silver medal Asian junior and Gold medal at military world games which both competitions are notable for Wikipedia and many other international tournaments and now he plays Azarbaijan national team and these days he injured but he will get back to competitions soon

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There is no such thing as "users decided wrongly"; everyone is free to make their arguments as they see fit, and the closer of the earlier AfD discussion certainly closed it correctly as reflecting consensus. You may not like the outcome, but you should not dismiss it as "wrong". -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 09:01, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Again misinformation here, he never won a gold at Military World Games, he probably won a medal in World Military Championship (a different competition with a lower level) even though even winning medal at World Military Games (which he never won) doesn't justify notability. this is clearly WP:COI, trying to promote someone. Sports2021 (talk) 12:30, 4 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Sports2021 he never won? What do you mean exactly?! All the military world games organized by the International Military Sports Council (CISM) and Hamidreza Sadri won gold medal at it! Here you can find out! And he achieved the best technical player in This tournament! *Timsar* (talk) 14:25, 4 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Sports2021and I'm not promote someone! He had farsi and Azarbaijani wiki I only translated it to English wiki. *Timsar* (talk) 14:28, 4 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Sports2021 I checked your actions many times on many articles Like this one! Please check Wikipedia:Assume good faith and Wikipedia:Do not disrupt Wikipedia to illustrate a point *Timsar* (talk) 15:06, 4 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

World Military Games and World Military Championships are two different things. both of are not notable in wikipedia standards. but at least World Military Games has some level of importance because it's a multisport event. someone who never won a major senior World or continental medal (probably never even passed the first round) and never qualified for the Olympics fails Wikipedia:NSPORT. Sports2021 (talk) 15:41, 4 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

But I think International Military Sports Council is notable too! They have article in wiki! *Timsar* (talk) 16:00, 4 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Sports2021 a sport person When is notable that plays for International tournaments in order to achieve topic or medal not mentioned to Olympics or ... Whi *Timsar* (talk) 16:06, 4 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Nothing has really changed in the six weeks since the article was previously deleted. The coverage is still insufficient to meet WP:GNG and he has no accomplishments that would meet WP:MANOTE or show he is a top 10 world athlete (a criteria used in sports such as boxing and MMA). World Taekowndo shows he has never won a fight (or even a round) at any international tournament they recognize. Success at minor or youth events does not show English WP notability, nor does the fact he has an article at any other wiki. Papaursa (talk) 19:38, 4 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
If you are looking for WP:GNG or WP:MANOTE you can just search him in Persian "حمیدرضا صدری (تکواندو)" and if you are looking for all the events where he fights in ; you can just click here *Timsar* (talk) 21:56, 4 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I looked at taekwondodata.com and a number of other sources. He simply doesn't meet WP:GNG or any SNG. Different wikis have different notability criteria and he doesn't meet any of the ones on the English WP. Papaursa (talk) 20:29, 5 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Astrid Wanja Brune Olsen

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Delete - based on my reading of WP:NTENNIS, I don't think that the subject meets the bar for notability, based on the various stats sites I came across, and the article in its current incarnation. There are several pages published by Tennis Norge that have more coverage, but this seems limited to the subject's participation in the national team fielded at the Fed Cup. That does not seem sufficient to me, but I would happily defer to WP:TENNIS. SunloungerFrog (talk) 20:57, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. Don't see notability per WP:NTENNIS. Astaire (talk) 00:48, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete Fails notability.
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George Silva

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Delete - I could not find decent sources with significant coverage of the subject. Nothing that added flesh to the bones of various listings and stats sites. I therefore submit that the subject does not meet WP:NSPORTS, and I note that the article has been unsourced and out-of-date for some time. It is possible that better sources exist in Portuguese that I haven't found, in which case I would be happy to withdraw my nomination. SunloungerFrog (talk) 20:24, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 21:13, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete -- Also could not find any sources. The article itself only essentially says "He's a footballer (team, position)" Mrfoogles (talk) 18:22, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - Article about former footballer who appears to have primarily played as a semi-pro (not at the highest levels of Brazilian football). His biggest achievement was probably being a squad member in Remo's 2007 Campeonato Paraense-winning side (although I found this match preview which strongly suggests he was only a fringe player during the competition). He played one season in the 2009 Campeonato Paulista A1 with Noroeste, but only appeared in 11 matches as the club finished dead last, and he briefly appeared in the 2011 Campeonato Brasileiro Serie D as Operário failed to advance beyond the initial group phase. Overall, a non-notable career, and I can't find anything that suggests WP:GNG could be met. Jogurney (talk) 18:43, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 19:17, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Luis Torres (footballer, born 1992)

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A very brief career with no significant coverage per WP:SPORTBASIC. All I can find are trivial mentions like this and this. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 19:51, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete, 2,000 light years away from meeting the notability criteria. Geschichte (talk) 20:13, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 21:12, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nomination. Not to mention this is one of the common birth names in the Spanish-speaking world that namesakes may be found, even by searching in conjugation with the person's clubs. ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 12:27, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete – insignificant coverage for a Wikipedia article. C 679 13:19, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete I added to the article what I could find about him, it is clearly not enough. No reliable source found, apparently this person exists but it is not enough to have an article. SparklingBlueMoon (talk) 15:40, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 19:17, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Félix Rodríguez (Mexican footballer)

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Had a brief career in the second tier of Mexico but searches yield nothing that could even come close to counting towards WP:SPORTBASIC. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 19:46, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete, having a blast going through all the non-notable Mexican players. You forgot to mention that the article creator is blocked indefinitely, having disrupted Wikipedia. Geschichte (talk) 20:16, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I can't imagine how many more of these stubs we'd have to deal with if they were not blocked when they were. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 20:17, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 21:12, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete – insignificant coverage for a Wikipedia article. C 679 13:18, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 19:16, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Jonh González

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Played 44 mins of professional football but no other claim to notability. All I can find is trivial stuff like El Orbe. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 19:41, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete, when I come around to assessing the sources he is far from meeting the notability criteria. Geschichte (talk) 20:13, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 21:11, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete – insignificant coverage for a Wikipedia article. C 679 13:18, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 19:16, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Mitchell Gornto

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Fails WP:GNG and WP:NGYMNAST. Subject's page has false accomplishments listed throughout (actual 2012 US National Championship results here and 2013 here). Subject has never been named to a US Senior or Junior national team and was not a member of the 2014 Pacific Rim team (results here). Aside from being a gymnast at Michigan, which is not inherently notable, the entire profile is fake. GauchoDude (talk) 15:21, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: The name seems to come up in relation to a tennis player in Florida... Unlikely to still be in university a decade later. Unremarkable college athlete, I don't see notability and there is no sourcing to back up the article either. Oaktree b (talk) 16:13, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete: Per nom. His University of Michigan bio page highlights that he barely competed. I suspect a conflict of interest given the inflation of his accomplishments and this is the only page the creator has ever worked on. -Riley1012 (talk) 18:56, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Vincenzo Patrick Guglielmelli

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Delete - I could find no significant coverage whatsoever in any source, reliable or otherwise. Plenty of listings and stats sites, all of which are fairly scanty. Career highlight seems to have been one season at Ascoli when they were a Serie A club, during which the subject did not appear to have played any matches. I therefore submit that WP:NSPORT is not met, and note that the article has been practically unsourced since its inception. SunloungerFrog (talk) 15:16, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete – Player with participation only in the Italian Serie C2, and without sources that establish WP:SIGCOV. Svartner (talk) 15:32, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete. Search engine results pull up listings without significant coverage and (weirdly enough) a pronunciation video. TWOrantula^TM (enter the web) 01:00, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 19:16, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keikan Ri

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Redirect to Boxing at the 1936 Summer Olympics – Welterweight - no significant coverage in any sources apart from listings type sites, and the corresponding jawiki is similarly unsourced. Subject finished 17th in class in the 1936 Olympics. I therefore submit that the article does not meet WP:NSPORT in its own right, but a redirect to the competition page is appropriate. SunloungerFrog (talk) 15:28, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep. I added some sources and it looks like he had a career after the Olympics that was, at minimum, interesting. I think with more research we could have a good article here. ScribblingTiresias (talk) 00:04, 4 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment ScribblingTiresias you had accidentally switched one of the sources in the reference to the Meiji Shrine Games, so I altered that. I am not averse to keeping the article, but I would not say that the sources represent WP:SIGCOV - they are all stats / listings sources apart from the journal article (nice find!), which only gives him a somewhat passing mention. I am a bit surprised that there appears to be nothing on kowiki, though my Korean is by no means good enough to be absolutely certain about that. SunloungerFrog (talk) 00:41, 4 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Well, I did find this on kowiki - looks like he might have won another national competition. But no article in his own right as far as I can see. SunloungerFrog (talk) 00:54, 4 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was speedy keep‎. Sockpuppet nominator Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 04:52, 6 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Steffen Gebhardt

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Unnotable. A ton of bricks 05:50, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Michael Plooy

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Declined prod. Based on a primary source. A search for sources yielded non-independent darts media. Fails WP:SPORTSCRIT. LibStar (talk) 00:45, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete I have not found a reliable source on this person, sourcing too weak SparklingBlueMoon (talk) 15:46, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - this is unnotable player, absolutely agree, no problem with deleting this one --DarthBob (talk) 21:27, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Tony Payne (darts)

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unnotable darts player, fails GNG and WP:SPORTCRIT. All my warmest wishes, ItsKesha (talk) 14:41, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep - seems to have been the best in America at his prime, and I've found some pretty strong sourcing corresponding with that. Longform piece about him in the Cincinnati Enquirer, same in The Indianapolis Star, slightly shorter but still decent piece in The Cincinnati Post. Also found this in The Independent, which focuses a lot on him, and this in the Herald Express and the Sports Argus which is a little more WP:ROUTINE but talks about him becoming a world championship finalist. This article from The Daily Mirror discusses some of his activities after the sport and describes how he was known as the "wild man of American darts" in the 1980s. With all this I'd be pretty confident that Payne was a notable figure during his time. ser! ^{(chat to me - see my edits)} 21:39, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - multiple appearances on World Championships and several sources provided by the commentator above --DarthBob (talk) 21:24, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Michael Hurtz

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unnotable darts player, fails GNG and WP:SPORTCRIT. All my warmest wishes, ItsKesha (talk) 14:45, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no notable achievements, no significant coverage. ser! ^{(chat to me - see my edits)} 21:45, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Fails WP:SPORTSCRIT. Unremarkable career. LibStar (talk) 04:10, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - this is unnotable player, absolutely agree, no problem with deleting this one --DarthBob (talk) 21:25, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. To quote the article itself, "He has qualified for many European Tour events via the Host Nation Qualifiers, but, has never got past the second round." Ostensibly no achievements worth qualifying the subject for WP:GNG. Madeleine961 (talk) 22:20, 5 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete like the first nomination due to lack of notability. This player is yet to qualify for any major professional dart tournaments and there's no achievements. Galaxybeing (talk) 05:22, 6 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Mark Stephenson

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unnotable darts player, fails GNG and WP:SPORTCRIT. All my warmest wishes, ItsKesha (talk) 14:41, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Weak keep - there's some coverage that appears to indicate Stephenson is at least regionally notable, like this from the Newcastle Chronicle, and this in same, as well as coverage in Malvern Gazette of his business ventures outside of the sport, but it's nothing incredible. I do think WP:3SOURCES is met, just about. ser! ^{(chat to me - see my edits)} 21:55, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Les Capewell

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unnotable darts player, fails GNG and WP:SPORTCRIT. All my warmest wishes, ItsKesha (talk) 14:41, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete 3 google news hits, 2 of those being dartsnews. Fails WP:SPORTSCRIT. LibStar (talk) 07:50, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Len Heard

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unnotable darts player, fails GNG and WP:SPORTCRIT. All my warmest wishes, ItsKesha (talk) 14:41, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete Fails WP:SPORTSCRIT. LibStar (talk) 12:00, 5 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ben Ward (darts player)

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unnotable darts player, fails GNG and WP:SPORTCRIT. All my warmest wishes, ItsKesha (talk) 14:42, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Stanley Cup winning players

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The effort here is amazing but this is clearly against WP:NOTDIR. If it was a list of players whose name was engraved onto the Stanley Cup, that would make sense. However, this is a list of players which also includes players who did not even play in the series or made a brief appearences. Omnis Scientia (talk) 10:02, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Alternatively, convert the page to players whose names are engraved on the Stanley Cup. I understand, from the talk page of this article, there is an article in progress: User:Leech44/List of player names on the Stanley Cup. That would make more sense, IMO. Omnis Scientia (talk) 10:58, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. This does not appear to meet WP:GNG or WP:NLIST. There has been no demonstration as to why is it important to have standalone of every single person ever engraved on the Stanley Cup. The reasons for some to be included or not can go elsewhere such as Chronology of Stanley Cup engravings or List of Stanley Cup champions. I see no reason why this needs to be its own list, when it can be covered elsewhere and does not substantiate its existence. Based on the outcome of this discussion, User:Leech44/List of player names on the Stanley Cup would be a candidate for Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion. Best wishes. Flibirigit (talk) 14:12, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: I agree that this doesn't meet the GNG or NLIST. It fails WP:OR as well, with the addition of all manner of other people into the mix; who is actually deciding here what a "Cup winning player" is? As far as Leech 44's list, I also agree it's a MfD candidate: it hasn't been substantively touched in a decade, and Leech44 himself has been inactive for many years (he has eight edits in the last eight years). Ravenswing 23:48, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

List of NBA rookie single-season rebounding leaders

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Appears to fail WP:NLIST; unable to find any independent secondary reliable sources discussing this list topic as a group or set in a WP:BEFORE search. It's possible this is tracked in stats databases, but such sources alone are insufficient in affirming wiki-notability. Left guide (talk) 05:14, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per failing WP:NLIST. There are individual sources that show the top three, but this list is the top 20 and I've not seen any to justify top 20, top 10, or even top 5. Conyo14 (talk) 05:36, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete fails WP:NLIST.4meter4 (talk) 06:09, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete fails NLIST. ~EDDY ^{(talk/contribs)}~ 16:01, 4 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Teppei Uesugi

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The claim to notability, playing 16 football games (and probabaly not full games) in Singapore is weak. The sources are not enough to rectify that, and as such he fails WP:SPORTCRIT and WP:GNG. Sources in Japanese Wikipedia are either primary or not in-depth. Geschichte (talk) 21:51, 30 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 19:10, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 16:09, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Shingo Shibata

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The claim to notability, playing 16 football games (and probabaly not full games) is weak. The sources are not enough to rectify that, and as such he fails WP:SPORTCRIT and WP:GNG. Sources in Japanese Wikipedia are either trivial/primary or do not work. Geschichte (talk) 21:49, 30 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete – The only source provided is a dead link to statistics. ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 15:52, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 19:10, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 23:59, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Jimmy Hazen

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WP: V -- there are only two citations, none of which are third party. In addition, the whole page is clearly inadaquate. (No infobox, not enough prose.) Chief disambiguator (talk) 22:05, 30 November 2024 (UTC)Chief disambiguator[reply]

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Delete. Does not meet WP:NGOLF and hasn't received significant coverage. pʰeːnuːmuː →‎ pʰiːnyːmyː → ‎ɸinimi → ‎fiɲimi 08:45, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Alejandro Muñóz

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No indication of meeting WP:SPORTCRIT or WP:GNG. Played 731 minutes in Mexico's second league. Creator is blocked indefinitely. Geschichte (talk) 18:41, 30 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. Player is not notable and a search yields no reliable sources supporting his notability. Madeleine961 (talk) 19:57, 30 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 19:09, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Alexei Pavlov (swimmer)

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Does not meet WP:SPORTCRIT as there is not significant coverage in reliable sources. Adabow (talk) 09:00, 30 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Bobby Greenwood (golfer)

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A lot going on here. The primary reason is that it fails WP:V - no citations. And I think it clearly violates Third Party rules; almost certainly someone close to the subject created this. It reads like a CV. Lastly, this may violate WP: N; there is no indication that he was ever a PGA Tour member.

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Clearly meets WP:NGOLF as he played on the PGA Tour for seven seasons. Leaning keep, but article obviously needs a lot of cleanup. pʰeːnuːmuː →‎ pʰiːnyːmyː → ‎ɸinimi → ‎fiɲimi 08:42, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Rajat Dalal

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Participating in a reality show alone does not make someone notable for inclusion on Wikipedia. If this were the case, countless individuals in India could potentially have articles created every day. This situation clearly falls under WP:BIO1E. At present, I do not believe the subject meets the criteria of WP:GNG. Additionally, WP:TOOSOON also applies in this case. The claim of “winning several medals for India” is vague and unexplained without any source. Zuck28 (talk) 09:42, 29 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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He has won numerous medals, and there are plenty of sources for this information. You should strive to keep your eyes open so that the Wikipedia article isn't removed needlessly.

Please take another look at the source that is related to the prose content provided at wikipedia page. Super Dud (talk) 02:39, 30 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Super Dud, Kindly elaborate about those “numerous medals”. Name the medals, competitions, organisers, opponents, platforms, team he represented, dates and venues of the matches?

These plenty of the sources doesn’t verify the claim, merely it mentions that “the subject claims to have certain number of medals”. Without any specific details about these medals.

Secondly, I would suggest you yo use professional language and avoid personal attacks, otherwise you can attract a block.

Even after taking multiple looks at the page, it is not clear how you think the subject passes the Wp: Notability criteria of Wikipedia.

Zuck28 (talk) 07:05, 30 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Please don't see my brief attempt to convey the main idea as an insult, leave the rest of the work to the administrators.

I have personally attached a summary of how many medals were won by the subject and in which event as a citation on the said subject page.

Now clear your confusion by reading that information carefully.

Thanks, happy editing. Super Dud (talk) 11:22, 30 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete agree with the points put by nominator.-Adamantine123 (talk) 11:41, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Habib Rahman (weightlifter)

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Declined prod. Fails WP:SPORTSCRIT and WP:NOLY. Only could find coverage of a mayor of the same name. LibStar (talk) 14:35, 29 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: Easily fails WP:NOLY. Lacks reliable secondary sources to establish nobility. Wikibear47 (talk) 17:40, 29 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Pavol Zemanovič

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His professional career only lasted three minutes and he has disappeared for over one decade. The only secondary source I found is a passing mention on SME. ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 10:09, 29 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 12:55, 29 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Speedy delete, no credible claim to notability worth discussing. Geschichte (talk) 18:33, 29 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: Doesn't appear to be notable, subject fails WP:NSPORTS and WP:NBIO. - Ratnahastin (talk) 01:20, 30 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 11:34, 30 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete- Article fails WP:GNG per nominator's BEFORE search. Jogurney (talk) 18:05, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Jordan Bulpitt

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No evidence of notability for this English cricketer. Fails WP:GNG and WP:SPORTCRIT. Possible redirect targets include List of Cambridge UCCE & MCCU players and List of Warwickshire County Cricket Club players, though the latter has not been updated with his name yet. JTtheOG (talk) 21:16, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Emmanuel Savary

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Non-notable figure skater; does not even come close to meeting the criteria of WP:NSKATE. Includes two local publications; I'll let the community decide whether that qualifies as "significant coverage." Bgsu98 (Talk) 00:34, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Alexey Zakharov

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Non-notable tennis player who fails to meet WP:GNG and WP:NTENNIS. Sources I found, at least in English, are just routine match coverage. I am not familiar with the Russian language at all so if anyone can find anything of note in Russian, I am glad to reconsider. Adamtt9 (talk) 23:49, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep - He is one of the famous athletes and is mentioned in more than 30 en:Wikipedia articles. He became a quarterfinalist of junior Grand Slam tournaments four times. In total, he participated in 12 junior Grand Slam tournaments and is accordingly mentioned in articles about these tournaments. He became the winner of ten ITF junior tournaments (2 in singles), reaching 12th place in the ITF World Junior ranking (2018). During 2024, he was a finalist once and quarter finalists twice on the ATP Challenger Tour - see: 2024 ATP Challenger Tour. It is the eighth of the rooms in Top Russian male singles tennis players. --Zboris (talk) 23:27, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I've added some more content and citations to this article (one in English and two in Dutch). Not sure if that makes it now meet the required criteria for significant coverage but thought I'd point it out. I'll let others with more intricate knowledge of the required standards decide if the subject of the article meets the required notability. Shrug02 (talk) 00:16, 29 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep - FYI this is already on the Russian language Wikipedia. I think it's the same except in that this one is English. I'm willing to accept good faith on the Russian sourcing, and this English version otherwise looks good to me. — Maile (talk) 02:15, 5 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Bettina Valdorf

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There is no evidence of WP:SIGCOV and after doing a search I could find any additional of coverage in reliable sources. I did find some passing mentions, but nothing in-depth or evidence to prove notability. Grahaml35 (talk) 01:25, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Weak keep - For winning a bronze in the ISSF World Cup [14] , [15] Ayokakesy2023 (talk) 11:48, 29 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Weak keep. Independent coverage is what we need, and I believe I found some bits at [16] [17] [18] [] [] [] []

Pascal Arnou

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Nothing in google news (which is unusual for an Olympian), 2 one-line mentions in google books. Fails WP:SPORTSCRIT and WP:NOLY. LibStar (talk) 23:30, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Judas Prada

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Stub about a basketball coach. I took a crack at looking for material but came up short. Best I could add is that he did one year as an assistant coach in the NBA. I could flesh it out with more lower level teams he was associated with, but I found nothing but database entries and mentions in passing of his short stints at colleges and a Chinese team, so it does nto seem worth it. No in depth sources about him, so no evidence he passes WP:SPORTBASIC. No evidence he ever played in NBA so fails WP:NBASKETBALL. Don't see this meeting WP:NBIO Meters (talk) 23:36, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Forgot to mention that there was an unsourced (and undone) edit last year that claimed that as of 2023 he was a middle school basketball coach [19]. Meters (talk) 23:39, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment. I am getting some hits in google books. I think it highly probable that there may be coverage in newspaper archives. Anyone able to check newspapers.com?4meter4 (talk) 00:40, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- I'm happy to withdraw this if suitable coverage is found, but I didn't find any in depth coverage. Appears to be a run-of-the-mill coach with short stints at various colleges, and who peaked with one year as an assistant in the NBA. Meters (talk) 00:23, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete. Not notable. No significant coverage. Vedicant (talk) 20:59, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Hanna Harrell

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Non-notable figure skater; does not meet the criteria of WP:NSKATE. Despite the volume of provided sources, most of those are competition results and databases, and what isn't appears to mostly be skating blogs. I'll let the community decide whether what's there qualifies as "significant coverage." Bgsu98 (Talk) 22:47, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. Fails WP:SIGCOV and WP:SPORTSBASIC.4meter4 (talk) 01:54, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Strong keep. Hanna Harrell medaled at the US senior championships. Significant coverage surely exists. --Moscow Connection (talk) 11:53, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
WP:NSKATE calls for a gold medal at the senior national champiomships; her highest finish was 4th. Bgsu98 (Talk) 12:38, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
WP:NSKATE says that the criteria are chosen on the grounds that "significant coverage is likely to exist for figure skating figures if they [do these things]". And I think it's impossible that a US championships medalist would not have significant coverage. --Moscow Connection (talk) 12:59, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I did a very quick search and have found an NBC article ("Hanna Harrell talks taking on Russians at world junior championships") and a YouTube documentary/reportage by U.S. Figure Skating ("Portrait of a Skater — Hanna Harrell"). There's also a full-fledged biography on the Texas Children's Hospital website (here). --Moscow Connection (talk) 12:59, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The NBC article and YouTube story are both interviews so they don't count towards notability per WP:Interview#Notability which requires the interview include reliable secondary coverage (very few interviews have this). I've had conversations with editors in the last few months around interviews counting and in every case, interviews as sources I presented were denied as counting towards notability. The Texas Children's Hospital article is promoting the hospital so I don't think it wouldn't count as either. Nnev66 (talk) 15:18, 4 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
She's an athlete that has competed for her country internationally. There are similar athletes on Wikipedia whose notability isn't questioned with far less developed articles. I can't understand why this is even an issue. ash (talk) 14:46, 29 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Competing internationally isn't inherently notable. Unfortunately, nothing that this skater has done meets the standards of notability established per WP:NSKATE. Bgsu98 (Talk) 15:29, 29 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Fortunately, she meets WP:GNG. --Moscow Connection (talk) 03:39, 30 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

By the way, I don't understand your agenda here on AfD.
Like, you nomitated Kamil Białas 2 (two) times with exactly the same rationale:
· Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Kamil Białas
· Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Kamil Białas (2nd nomination).
Are you planning to nominate it 100 times? (It is a good tactics that I have seen being used successfully. Sooner or later no one notices and the proposal passes. I can't be here on Wikipedia 24/7.) --Moscow Connection (talk) 03:49, 30 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Sufficiently notable for inclusion per GNG. Vedicant (talk) 21:06, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment: I believe these two sources from the article, which have WP:SIGCOV, count towards WP:GNG. The others are standings, passing mentions, or interviews. I searched Proquest and Newspapers.com but didn't find anything there. Nnev66 (talk) 15:26, 4 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
1. Capellazzi, Gina (February 26, 2019). "Hanna Harrell ready to make her 'debut to the world' at the 2019 World Junior Figure Skating Championships". figureskatersonline.com.
2. Rutherford, Lynn (March 7, 2019). "Ambitious Harrell Will Reach for the Stars in Zagreb". U.S. Figure Skating. Archived from the original on March 15, 2019.

Kamil Białas

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Fails WP:NSKATE; medal placement at the junior level or bronze/silver medals at the senior-level national championships do not meet the requirements of WP:NSKATE. Bgsu98 (Talk) 12:05, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep. I think the topic meets the general notability guideline (WP:GNG).
I did a quick search and found this and this. (Two articles by Dziennik Polski, titled "Kamil Białas znów stanął na podium" and "Łyżwiarze nie mogą się rozwijać bez startów".) There's also a YouTube interview, here.
The Polish website says "Sorry, you have been blocked", so I don't think I should bother to read and search further. --Moscow Connection (talk) 15:12, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Social media platforms are user-generated and should never be provided as references to articles. ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 14:42, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Dziennik Polski is a newspaper.
Or are talking about YouTube? If it is an official account of a respected media brand or journalist, then it can be used. (As any other documentary or reportage.) --Moscow Connection (talk) 16:37, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I was talking about YouTube. Even if the source comes from an official account of a media brand, social media can't be used anywhere as they are user-generated sites, thus generally unreliable per WP:NOTSOCIALNETWORK and WP:SELFPUB. Social media as references also don't demonstrate the article's notability. Otherwise, I thought we only used reliable secondary sources... ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 13:30, 30 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Have you actually read the pages you are linking?
· WP:NOTSOCIALNETWORK is completely unrelated to this discussion.
· WP:SELFPUB actually says the opposite of what you are saying: "Self-published and questionable sources may be used as sources of information [about themselves]". --Moscow Connection (talk) 20:50, 30 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Btw I don't understand why are are attacking me. :-) When I posted my first comment on this page, I didn't see the previous discussion (Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Kamil Białas) where you voted "weak keep" and showed exactly the same sources I found. You should better say something to the nominator. Who nominated this article twice with exactly the same rationale. I don't know about the English Wikipedia, but on some other Wikipedias (in some other languages, like Russian, for example) it is explicitly forbidden to nominate an article again for the same reason. (It is done as a measure against those who are obsessed and would otherwise nominate the same article again and again even after they have been told it can stay. They do it in hope that their opponents will get bored or will simply not notice a new nomination.) --Moscow Connection (talk) 21:05, 30 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep: The subject meets WP:SPORTCRIT with multiple pieces of SIGCOV presented from reliable sources, which the nominator fails to address in any capacity. JTtheOG (talk) 01:42, 5 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Helene Pellicano

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Fails WP:GNG and WP:NTENNIS. Shrug02 (talk) 23:14, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep meets GNG thanks to coverage in major Malta sources such as [20] [21] [22] [23] (Times of Malta) and [24] (Malta Independent). Iffy★Chat -- 10:37, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Iffy the coverage in Times of Malta is pretty solid, but they all count as 1 source only per WP:GNG ("Multiple publications from the same author or organization"). Malta Independent's ref is just a match report and is not a significant coverage of Pellicano. I'll see if I can find something more. Jovanmilic97 (talk) 19:06, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep it provides verifiable information about a notable figure in the opera world, with sources documenting her career as a renowned conductor and her recognition within the field. --Loewstisch (talk) 13:16, 5 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Loewstisch This is a biography of a Maltese tennis player. I think you've commented on the wrong AFD. Shrug02 (talk) 14:34, 5 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Matt Lalli

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I am unable to find anything approaching WP:SIGCOV for this former lacrosse player. Fails WP:GNG and WP:SPORTCRIT. All I found were passing mentions (1, 2, 3, etc.) JTtheOG (talk) 00:42, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment. I know nothing about this sport but here are some more sources: [25], [26], [27], [28], [29]. I'll let others decide whether these count towards notability or not. Best.4meter4 (talk) 00:53, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hello and thank you for your response. The first two are passing mentions and thus not significant coverage, while the next three are not independent of the subject. JTtheOG (talk) 01:35, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep The coverage in the article combined with the more than 100 sources covering him via Newspapers.com demonstrate that the notability standard is met as a professional athlete playing at the top level of his sport. Alansohn (talk) 03:05, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Please share any SIGCOV you might be able to find. JTtheOG (talk) 05:02, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Ken Summers (darts player)

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unnotable darts player, fails GNG and WP:SPORTCRIT. All my warmest wishes, ItsKesha (talk) 09:47, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete Fails WP:SPORTSCRIT. LibStar (talk) 22:59, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Steve Douglas (darts player)

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unnotable darts player, fails GNG and WP:SPORTCRIT. All my warmest wishes, ItsKesha (talk) 09:48, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete some routine coverage but not enough to meet WP:SPORTSCRIT. LibStar (talk) 23:55, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Brayan Velásquez

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There is nothing notable about playing 28 football games in the league of Honduras, and youth world cups do not grant notability either. This would need several good WP:SIGCOV pieces to even be considered as passing the notability bar. Geschichte (talk) 16:44, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. Passes WP:SPORTSBASIC. Here are a few examples from the just the first couple pages in google news: [30], [31], [32], [33], [34], [35], [36], [37] There are more...4meter4 (talk) 17:22, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Keep per sources above which show notability. Giant Snowman 09:46, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete The above sources are transfer stories/match reports/interviews which are routine coverage and do not pass GNG. Dougal18 (talk) 10:32, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
If the match report on news media only focuses on a specific footballer and describes them in significant detail independently (that said, tiny piece of or without direct speech), would it still count towards GNG? I also was told that interview sources with big independent analysis would make the article pass GNG. ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 11:16, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep - Per above. Clearly was significant figure in Hpnduran football with many sources. Article needs improvement, not deletion. Thanks, Das osmnezz (talk) 21:15, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was Draftify‎. asilvering (talk) 04:12, 6 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Zulmarys Sánchez

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The article mentions Sanchez was a semi-finalist in the Olympics, but there's nothing that mentions winning a medal there. According to the categories, she did win a silver medal in the Pan American Games, but the ultimate issue is sourcing; I only found database results in the WP:BEFORE search. I dream of horses (Hoofprints) (Neigh at me) 18:34, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep per WP:SPORTSPERSON. Sánchez's silver medal at the 2007 Pan American Games can be confirmed here:[38]. It was in the women's K-4 500 metres canoeing category (Canoeing at the 2007 Pan American Games). Other examples of independent coverage include the following: [39][40][41]. --NoonIcarus (talk) 18:58, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That guideline says Sports biographies must include at least one reference to a source providing significant coverage of the subject. Where exactly is the significant coverage in any of those sources that you've linked? Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 19:24, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment I agree, the article was not ready at all shape. 🌼𝓡𝓬 𝓡𝓪𝓶𝔃🍁 (talk) 01:45, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment The article lacks citations, contains insufficient information, and has numerous flaws. It is not adequately developed or reliable enough for the mainspace in its current state, and it does not conform to what Wikipedia stands for. Furthermore, it fails to follow Wikipedia's policies and guidelines for creating an article. 🌼𝓡𝓬 𝓡𝓪𝓶𝔃🍁 (talk) 01:35, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Please mind WP:HASPOT. The subject's notability is not determined by the article's current quality. Rather, the question should be if the article can be improved. I can try helping with this if needed. --NoonIcarus (talk) 19:21, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I cited WP:SPORTSPERSON because A sportsperson is presumed to be notable if the person has won a significant honor, which is the silver medal won at the Pan American Games, and this source[42] furthers mentions that she also participated in the 2015 Games. There could be more coverage, but the subject it is independent as shown in the sources, particularly those in Spanish. --NoonIcarus (talk) 18:56, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete its still lacks of coverage, information as well as references and citation, not ready for mainspace...when using the article for creation and submission, many articles were declined. However, it is very upsetting to see this one published despite its clear flaws. 🌼𝓡𝓬 𝓡𝓪𝓶𝔃🍁 (talk) 01:35, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment 1,2 to 3 sources is not enough to cover the one sentence article and as you visit the publisher its not notable and reputable enough and Wikipedia doesn't support any of those. 🌼𝓡𝓬 𝓡𝓪𝓶𝔃🍁 (talk) 01:49, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom. No news articles about this person that I can find, only databases, and WP:SPORTSPERSON is actually the reason why it shouldn't be kept. Procyon117 (talk) 13:06, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Agree Indeed its not notable enough to pass Wikipedia standards. 🌼𝓡𝓬 𝓡𝓪𝓶𝔃🍁 (talk) 08:49, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I would be very careful with your continued commenting, Rc ramz. While I believe that responding to any, even all, comments in a discussion with productive and engaging replies is good and acceptable, you are not doing that - you are replying with agreement or mere reiteration of, well, every comment you agree with. This is pointless and unnecessary, and appears to me as a way of just creating more noise for your side to try influence a closer. That's WP:Bludgeoning. Kingsif (talk) 21:08, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Draftify I'm pretty certain I will be able to expand this bio to WP standards - editors who know my work will know that Olympian stubs and Venezuelan stubs are an area of expertise and this is both - but don't have the time right now. Kingsif (talk) 17:54, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment People with English-language browsers will as a rule be shown fewer foreign-language results, so if people are wanting to look for potential sources it would be useful to include some Spanish. The general Spanish word for canoe as a sport is piragüismo, though in Venezuela it is more common to use canotaje, and adding either or both of those to a browser search for her name will probably deliver more than just her name. Kingsif (talk) 18:01, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Draftify to allow Kingsif to work on it.4meter4 (talk) 03:56, 6 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Ryuolivier Iwamoto

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Creator is globally locked. Not remotely indicating that WP:GNG and WP:SPORTCRIT is met. Never played on a notable level. 0 J League games, 0 cup games. Played some school matches before retiring; why he retired is described by himself in the Nikkan Sports source in the Japanese Wikipedia. Bunshun described him starting to work in a bank, but he does not meet business bio inclusion criteria. Geschichte (talk) 14:32, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 17:42, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep: I don't really see how WP:GNG is not satisfied when there are multiple articles with significantly more than WP:ROUTINE mentions in Nov. 2014, Dec. 2014, Jan. 2015 and in Apr. 2022. Unless these sources fail WP:RS, the fact that there is interest in knowing more about this player who had a very unremarkable career seven/eight years on from the notable event of when he was signed out of high school is IMO a notable indication of potential notability. Most players that retire before they turn 27 with (apparently) 0 games in the top two divisions don't get anything more than a one-liner as part of a broader list of retirees or a courtesy post on the club's website, so that he had a lengthy article & interview is what stands out most to me. Probably someone who speaks Japanese could locate better sources, as I imagine there is a reason why this player's retirement received this level of attention. Shazback (talk) 21:05, 29 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Alisha Palmowski

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Fails WP:GNG and WP:NMOTORSPORT as a driver who has only competed in entry level series (Ginetta Junior Championship and FIA Formula 4). Article is at best WP:TOOSOON and WP:CRYSTAL. MSportWiki (talk) 02:38, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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*Keep: While F1A is an entry level series, it has a much greater level of attention than lets say a normal F4 championship. Also, she has done the Formula E all womens test. The article could do with some padding out though.<span data-dtsignatureforswitching="1"></span> AidenT06 (talk) 22:52, 4 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Draft. Palmowski, is a F1 Academy wildcard driver, and since all F1 Academy drivers have pages, why not her? She is also the runner-up of the 2024 GB4 Championship and can be considered as a future prospect for female racing drivers. At least draft the page BurningBlaze05 (talk) 05:58, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

F1 Academy is an entry-level series, therefore its' competitors don't meet notability guidelines – WP:WHATABOUTISM is not an excuse. I have no issue with drafting, however "can be considered as a future prospect" is the definition of WP:CRYSTAL. MSportWiki (talk) 11:13, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment. I know nothing about this content area, but here are the sources I could locate: [43], [44], [45], [46], [47], [48], [49], [50], [51], [52]. I don't know how to evaluate content in this area which seems hyper specific to motor sports so I will leave it to others to determine whether this meets WP:SPORTSBASIC/WP:SIGCOV. Best.4meter4 (talk) 03:01, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep: She seems to have enough coverage for WP:GNG - have added 3 new refs which are not simply database results listings. PamD 11:49, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. I have to agree with Pam. With the sources she added, and the ones I found I think WP:SPORTSBASIC/WP:GNG are met.4meter4 (talk) 18:45, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep: According to WP:N, she received significance coverage and pass WP:SIGCOV. Wyzoqaku (talk) 20:30, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep- Notable sportswoman. Moondragon21 (talk) 23:58, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
With all due respect, I suggest you read the notability guidelines under WP:NMOTORSPORT - the subject does not come close to meeting any of the criteria for that, let alone a generic sportswoman. MSportWiki (talk) 08:33, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Draft- that does not mean she hasn't gotten any coverage because she has however it might be better to draft it 109.76.211.121 (talk) 17:47, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep She EASILY meets those guidelines unless you consider GB4 to not be a series of significant national importance. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Duds 2k (talk • contribs) 13:35, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Draftify – I have to agree with article creator User:BurningBlaze05 here; this is a case of WP:TOOSOON. The subject is 18, stepping up to F1 Academy imminently and coverage exists. Links 1 to 3 above are good enough; the rest are either WP:ROUTINE or primary. Moving it to mainspace this early was a mistake, but WP:POTENTIAL is high and several users seem interested in working on it. MSport1005 (talk) 13:38, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Draft: per MSports1005 - subject could have clear notability/SIGCOV in the near future. Publication was too soon. GalacticVelocity08 (talk) 19:04, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Draftify per WP:POTENTIAL. The article already has at least one reliable source, and a Google search brings up several industry specific sources.--DesiMoore (talk) 16:04, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: TOOSOON I think. Source 2 is the only RS about this person that's an article, not just a PR item or a race result. That's about all I can find. Oaktree b (talk) 16:44, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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List of world champions in NJPW born outside Japan

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No evidence that this grouping of characteristics meets WP:LISTN and has received significant attention as a group. Fram (talk) 09:49, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep: Looking at the article, I find it relevant to the reader. Additional references will need to be added. ChuyCastañeda (talk) 03:58, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete my rationale is same as Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of NJPW female wrestlers born outside Japan. Also, delete the other similar lists created by the same user: List of NJPW male wrestlers born outside Japan, List of WWE male wrestlers born outside the United States, List of WWE female wrestlers born outside the United States, and List of world champions in WWE born outside the United States. --Mann Mann (talk) 05:42, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Phil Gilman

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unnotable darts player, fails GNG and WP:SPORTCRIT. All my warmest wishes, ItsKesha (talk) 21:19, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete Fails WP:SPORTSCRIT, only primary sources and IMDB supplied. LibStar (talk) 00:15, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: This subject has won the London Classic darts tournament and British Open, two prestigious winnings with the look of things. This article could be kept on this basis alone, but if anyone finds a slight coverage, then this should be kept. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 08:08, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep- For winning the prestigious British Open in 1992 Chikwendummesonma (talk) 17:24, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep- notable winner of a tournament, but it was in 1980s, so sources are obviously hard to find, but should be kept --DarthBob (talk) 21:21, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Kai Trump

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Previously deleted/redirected at AfD. Recreated by a new user and honestly the coverage doesn't look any better than it did at the first AfD, so I can't see it warranting a standalone article. Serious issues with WP:NOTINHERITED. Should be redirected back to Donald Trump Jr.#Family (EDIT: I am also fine redirecting back to Family of Donald Trump) as per the consensus of the last AfD. Hemiauchenia (talk) 17:07, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect as done previously and lock it to prevent repeated disruption. Iggy pop goes the weasel (talk) 19:29, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Restore redirect per last AfD. This shouldn't even go to AfD, it should be up to those few who think it should be a standalone article to demonstrate what has changed and why that would change the previous AfD consensus. Traumnovelle (talk) 20:07, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep: Meets WP:GNG with multiple references focusing on her:

These references have all been published after the last AfD, and/or were not in the article during the last AfD. The Mountain of Eden (talk) 20:22, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

None of this coverage suggests that she is notable separate from her relationship to the broader Trump family, and is pretty insubstantial. Per Wikipedia:Notability_(people)#Invalid_criteria That person A has a relationship with well-known person B, such as being a spouse or child, is not a reason for a standalone article on A. Hemiauchenia (talk) 20:36, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

She is covered in-depth in multiple WP:RS that are independent of her, which satisfies the requirements in WP:GNG. The Mountain of Eden (talk) 20:39, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This is a silly post that could be made about any subject whatsoever.

None of the sources at the article Julius Caesar suggest that he is notable separate from his relationship to his broader military and political achievements -- do you here suggest a redirect to Roman Empire per WP:NOPAGE? jp×g 🗯️ 00:09, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

No, but the valid reason would be that she has received significant coverage in multiple reliable sources. This is a point that is often misunderstood on Wikipedia, presumably because of WP:UPPERCASE shortcuts like WP:NOTINHERITED. If you actually read WP:NOTINHERITED, you'll see that it says Individuals in close, personal relationships with famous people (including politicians) can have an independent article even if they are known solely for such a relationship, but only if they pass WP:GNG. What it actually means is that people are not automatically notable just because they're related to someone – they can still meet GNG, even if that is all they are "known" for. C F A 💬 00:41, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

What has she done that is actually noteworthy? These articles are basically puff pieces. We know she plays golf and that she was invited to give a speech at an RNC convention where she says Donald Trump a normal grandfather and that she has no interest in pursuing politics. The social media stuff in the article is irrelevant puffery. Iggy pop goes the weasel (talk) 20:43, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The social media stuff is obviously not independent of her. But the 5 references above (and there are more in the article, I just listed the top 5) are all in-depth (not a casual mention), independent of her, and independent of each other. That's all that is needed for WP:GNG. The Mountain of Eden (talk) 21:31, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

So what? This isn't a policy-based argument. jp×g 🗯️ 14:35, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect per nom., Iggy pop goes the weasel, Traumnovelle, and WP:NOPAGE. Sal2100 (talk) 20:47, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: meets GNG. See my comment above. C F A 💬 00:42, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. I do feel that those opting for redirect are really failing to see the huge differences between this AFD and the previous one in July.

1.Firstly, Trump has made a YouTube channel as of October that has already received 220,000 subscribers (and more than 50k of those in the last 24 hours), has a video with over 2 million views in two days which has significant political interest and coverage in major news outlets (and a second video with over a million views).

2. Kai Trump has more than a million followers on TikTok and 500,000 followers on Instagram, which has all changed since the last AfD where she had 100,000 followers on Instagram for example.

3. The election of 9 days ago also casts her in a different light- she is a content creator who will have significant proximity to an in-power president between the ages of 17-21, and already has a huge audience and is receiving notable coverage. Do you really think that Kai Trump is going to fade into obscurity and never again achieve notability? Deleting this article is only going to delay publication for six months or less, and she is already receiving 9,000 plus article visits per day (not that this means anything for notability purposes, but the article clearly has demand and she clearly has significant attention).

In my opinion, the previous AFD fell the right way because of the fact she was only notable for her RNC speech- by all accounts she is now achieving notability for other reasons at this point, and she will continue to do so. There are now [sources] claiming that she is Trump's most important social media ally, etc. I would expect coverage on this subject to increase dramatically in the coming months with the inauguration and as she produces more content. Let us compare with her uncle Barron Trump (as she has been compared with before), who has been deleted via AFD before: this would suggest that Barron has attained nowhere close to the notable achievements or coverage that Kai has now received, with no sections of independent notability as far as I can tell. Kai's article Passes WP:GNG. I edited her article extensively yesterday though, so I would expect some degree of bias from me in trying to keep the article retained.Spiralwidget (talk) 01:51, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. This is a poorly-written article about a person whose accomplishments I find unimpressive. Sources obviously pass GNG. Is there a BLP issue, or some other urgent concern that makes GNG unsuitable here? Or is it just a politics thing? jp×g 🗯️ 02:16, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Family of Donald Trump. Not seeing any sources that are notable outside of Donald Trump, until she becomes notable by herself I can't vote keep. Esolo5002 (talk) 06:21, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Merge/redirect to Family of Donald Trump (1st choice) or back to Donald Trump Jr.#Family (2nd choice). (I think the family article is better than the father's article for the same anti-patriarchal reasons I detailed in the first AFD and won't repeat here.)

In the first AFD, I thought the article subject was just shy of meeting WP:GNG, with borderline sigcov from WP:TIER3 sources like [53] [54] [55] [56], with the best source at the time IMO being ABC News, though even that one had little in-depth information about the subject, and was mostly about the RNC speech.

The 5 new sources posted above don't really move the needle for me. #1 WP:DAILYBEAST is yellow at RSP, and anyway it's an opinion piece. #2 I'm not sure that EssentiallySports is an RS. #3 is not technically not independent of the other ABC News article, and anyway is more about the subject's election night vlog than about the subject herself. #4 is a routine signing report which usually don't count as sigcov of an athlete, and #5 NYT is about the RNC speech, like the earlier ABC News article, not in depth of the subject herself. What's missing is like two solid biographies of the subject; then I'd be convinced that there is so much material about the subject that it should be on its own page.

But for now, I think everything that meets WP:DUE/WP:ASPECT in all of those sources that is actually about the subject is only enough to fill up a section in an article, e.g. Family of Donald Trump. Even if the subject meets GNG, for WP:PAGEDECIDE reasons (readers will understand the subject better in the context of her family rather than as a stand-alone article, particularly since most of her notability is derived from her family, with her golf career constituting a minority of the overall RS coverage), I think it's better to cover this topic as part of another article rather than as its own article.

Also, I note that the prior AFD resulted in consensus to redirect, and it was edit-warred back into an article, which led to this second AFD (1, 2, 3). A trout to those editors for editing against consensus. The new information should have been added to the target article, and if a stand-alone was sought, a split should have been proposed on the target article's talk page per WP:PROSPLIT. Levivich (talk) 07:35, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Can you explain the distinction between "significant coverage of something a person did" and "significant coverage of the person"? I am confused by this claim. jp×g 🗯️ 14:36, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sure, probably easiest to show you examples, all from the same RS:

The #1 stories have some biographical information about the subjects, but they're really focused on specific events/statements/actions/etc. #2 are actual full-length biographies of the subject. You see a lot of differences in these types of stories: #1 is focused on a particular time and place, #2 spans the subject's entire lifetime. #1 includes a lot of quotes from the subject (what the subject said about the event/action/whatever), whereas #2 has much more in the BBC's own voice. (You can scroll through and just see that #2 has fewer quotation marks than #1.) #1 is usually shorter than #2, sometimes by half.

For our purposes -- writing a stand-alone biography article about a subject -- we can kinda/sorta do it with RSes like #1's, but you really need #2's to cover the subject's whole life, as opposed to just some action/event that happened during their life.

For this article subject (Kai Trump), we only have #1's, no #2's. Levivich (talk) 16:49, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect per above discussion. I’m against any minor child of a political person or celebrity having an article, even if they have spoken in public about their parent or grandparent. (Redacted) Bearian (talk) 04:21, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I have two comments to make here on this AfD after already giving my "keep" opinion a little further up.

1. Firstly, I would be concerned that a merge/redirect to Family of Donald Trump would destroy a lot of potentially important encyclopedic information in the article, such as Trump's RNC speech and her recent coverage of election night, as well as information about her name being related to her grandfather and such. The current Family of Donald Trump article has only a short section on grandchildren, and it would be difficult for me to see how a redirect/merge would fit in with the format of that article. I think that merging to "Donald Trump Jr." would be preferable, but the problem there is that Kai Trump does not actually have any significant activity directly related to her father; appearing at the RNC and her social media and golf activities all seem very unrelated to her father, especially considering the fact her parents are divorced and she actually lives with her mother. It also seems to perpetuate stereotypes relating to patriarchy to redirect to father. I therefore find a redirect or merge to be less than ideal in this circumstance.

2. Secondly, I have a real issue with Wikipedia attitudes as regards social media influencers and younger influential people as it stands. I distinctly remember having a similar argument about Niko Omilana when I first made that article. As a younger editor myself, I feel it is important to point out that these people are household names to a degree. People in my social group and my age range have almost all heard of people like Niko Omilana or Kai Trump, and she is seen from my perspective as more of an influencer with her own brand than a relative of Donald Trump- without a doubt her grandfather is a part of her brand, but it is honestly rather derisive of younger people to just expect that all of their life has a focus on their family She clearly receives significant independent coverage on her "social media brand", which I would characterise as "rich republican golf girl", such as [[57]] and [[58]]. Another example is Deji Olatunji, which currently redirects to KSI despite clearly passing GNG, partially because people underestimate the fame, influence and importance of these figures for a younger audience- again, these are the celebrities and personalities that are the most important and discussed among people below the age of 25, and they without a doubt pass GNG. I find it both patronising, astonishing and frustrating that such articles are routinely struck down by people that in my opinion have not got the finger on the pulse of the way fame and influence is being peddled, and Wikipedia itself is in danger of being left behind if it is not more forgiving to younger subjects. The information is clear, it is well-cited, and it receives coverage in multiple reliable independent sources, so what's the big fuss? The bottom line will be that when young people search online for their idols and role models and such, they will be looking at their instagram account rather than Wikipedia, and I think that is a crying shame.Spiralwidget (talk) 12:55, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

What you call "a crying shame," I call the entire point of Wikipedia's notability guidelines. Fame and popularity are not sufficient for inclusion in the encyclopedia. It's not about her age, or profession (many influencers with huge followings are nevertheless not notable), it's about this: Wikipedia summarizes sources. For a Wikipedia biography article, the sources are other biographies. Wikipedia should never be the first place to publish someone's biography. So to vote keep on a biography, I'm looking for at least 2, preferably 3, totally independent (of each other and of the subject) full-length biographies. That's what gives us enough source material to write a Wikipedia biography article that meets NPOV. Kai Trump doesn't appear to have been the subject of any full biographies, much less two or three. (The RSes I've seen so far have some biographical information, but very little, and I wouldn't call any of them in-depth biographies.) As it so happens, there are many famous people who aren't the subject of biographies (athletes, influencers, famous people's kids); they don't qualify for Wikipedia articles IMO. And everything we have to say about Kai Trump--all the info in RSes that's WP:DUE or a significant WP:ASPECT--can be said in a paragraph or two that can be part of the family article (which could have multiple mini-biographies about various not-quite-notable members of the family). The RNC speech, for example, is one sentence, that says she gave a speech at the RNC. That's all there is to say about it. Levivich (talk) 18:32, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect to the family of Donald Trump. It doesn't need an independent article. Shkuru Afshar (talk) 05:46, 16 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Family of Donald Trump. Notability is not inherited. This is, at best WP:TOOSOON. - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 10:13, 17 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: Per some of the keep discussion above. It clearly passes WP:GNG and this is way different from the previous deletion discussion in July with more references. Kaizenify (talk) 07:19, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Family of Donald Trump. The new coverage is still entirely connected to her grandfather. Notability is not inherited. I don't doubt at some point this may change, but so far it hasn't. It's WP:TOOSOON for an independent article. FYI, telling us how many followers someone has on social media is a clear sign that someone is scraping desperately at the bottom of the non-notability barrel.4meter4 (talk) 02:00, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, asilvering (talk) 03:05, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: Likely TOOSOON. Playing golf isn't notable, there is coverage of a speech given, but being social media star in 2024 isn't notable alone. We've had a flood of coverage since the event, but nothing before. I'm not sure this person is notable for what they've done; outside of the Trump name, what have they done to be notable. She's a "potentially notable" influencer, so nothing notable at this point. Oaktree b (talk) 04:13, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep: You see the name, you want to know who it is. It's as simple as that. Cyber rigger (talk) 08:22, 21 November 2024 (UTC) — Cyber rigger (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]

Comment: If we keep it, it's logical that Barron Trump should have his own article. Lucafrehley (talk) 14:54, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. She's a public figure and meets Wikipedia notability requirements to have her own article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.77.77.187 (talk) 03:26, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Notability is not inherited. We don't write about the grandchildren of Nicolas Sarkozy, Olaf Scholz, or even Vladimir Putin. --Tataral (talk) 13:54, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Meets WP:GNG per the articles focused on her by Daily Beast, Essentially Sport, ABC News, Golf Week, New York Times.XavierItzm (talk) 06:19, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Per above. Also should be even more prominent during the next four years. Her fame is global. She is covered in The Times of India for instance. Hektor (talk) 08:17, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The Times of India is not an unquestionably reliable source, see WP:RSP and Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Noticeboard/Archive_447#RfC:_The_Times_of_India. In my own experience, its coverage tends towards the sensational. Hemiauchenia (talk) 17:40, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Reliable sources with sigcov – such as this Cut piece and especially this solid Telegraph profile published after the start of this AfD – demonstrate notability. Hameltion (talk | contribs) 18:20, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete It would appear that Kai has done little else to gather press coverage other than be the granddaughter of the incoming President (unlike her aunt Ivanka who is notable), only thing going for her in terms of notability is the instagram posting and social media influencer career paragraph, and thats not much. Considering we have First Daughters that are far more notable than her (Malia Obama comes to mind who is in filmmaking) don't have Wikipedia pages I struggle to understand why she does. Naomi Biden's wikipedia page got deleted for this same reason. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Unfriendnow (talk • contribs) 18:51, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: Meets WP:GNG. Gelasin (talk) 02:31, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Family of Donald Trump. The content of this article could be shortened to a sentence or two that would fit well in the full family article. This individual's internet popularity is on the increase but right now it's WP:TOOSOON to tell if that will hold. Might warrant a standalone article eventually. SiliconRed (he/him • talk) 16:47, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Notability is not inherited. Having some subscribers on tiktok and youtube does not give notability. The possibility of being an influencer in the next years does not give notability WP:TOOSOON. User:GuzmanTierno 8:00, 29 November 2024 (GMT)
Keep: Meets WP:GNG as you can find sources as https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/kai-trump-sanitizing-grandpa-trump-200345791.html and https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2024/11/13/kai-trump-age-parents-donald-trump-grandchildren/76259196007/ Shadow4dark (talk) 15:07, 29 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep she is her own growing brand, she says she wants to stay out of politics and grow on Youtube separately. Osnelandrejr(talk) 07:51, 29 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep or merge I would actually like to see a "Descendants" section in the Donald Trump article. People are interested in what his children or grandchildren are going to do. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ed Poor (talk • contribs) 09:08, 29 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: Meets WP:GNG. Ashik Rahik (talk) 15:48, 30 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep I made this article because Kai has used the fame afforded by her family, the most famous in the world, to garner significant attention among teenagers. There’s already been coverage, and there’ll be more as she does more stuff. The idea of Wikipedia is to make a place where people can find reliable information about things that are happening around them. Don’t cut it off. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Alpharomeo12 (talk • contribs) 14:34, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Her family being famous doesn't mean she needs a Wikipedia page. It's either delete this or merge it. Unfriendnow (talk) 18:10, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep I think she passes notability -- famous family (like Kennedy family members) and media is covering her extensively because she is providing videos into meetings at Mar-a-Lago, etc that otherwise we don't have visibility into. Deleting now would be a big mistake -- it would have to be re-created from scratch in future years.. Danski14^(talk) 14:40, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Why would it need to be re-created from scratch in future years? have other granddaughters of Presidents also had Wikipedia pages? Naomi Biden's was deleted and she had a historical wedding and was in the news, Finnegan Biden when she was in the news and attended the coronation making her and her grandmother the only member of a First Family to do so.

Why is Kai Trump so important and so different from those two? what has she really done? Unfriendnow (talk) 18:10, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Extremely notable, and I really hope this AfD wasn't created out of a political bias toward her grandfather. OldDiddlyBop (talk) 10:08, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Meets GNG due to sustained media coverage. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.13.160.78 (talk) 00:07, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Meets WP:GNG, she has lots of media coverage, speech at RNC, And there seems to be no good reason for delete.Editingwithcoffee (talk) 00:12, 4 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. She has become a notable person and there's enough media coverage about her to satisfy WP:GNG. Galaxybeing (talk) 03:28, 4 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep obviously passes GNG — Preceding unsigned comment added by Golikom (talk • contribs) 12:01, 4 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep, plenty of mainstream media coverage of her RNC speech and social media content. KnowledgeIsPower9281 (talk) 19:17, 4 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
● Keep, Notable, media coverage, influence in social media, RNC Speech. InterDoesWiki (talk) 12:17, 5 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to one or the other suggested targets. Merge in some of the material and references. There's a huge surge from participants in recent days that have little to no history at AFD, which seem to consist of pointing to various news stories that only exist because of their relationship with the former president. I see no policy-related reasons for this article to exist standalone. Nfitz (talk) 00:48, 6 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment User:LiamKorda seems to have erroneously deleted Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Kai Trump (2nd nomination) from Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Log/2024 November 21. I've manually (hopefully correctly without breaking something) - but the listing has been missing at AFD since November 21. Nfitz (talk) 01:23, 6 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Sheesh. Thanks for this, @Nfitz. -- asilvering (talk) 04:15, 6 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: This was accidentally removed from the log on Nov 21. So one more go around on the AfD logs, despite the seemingly snowy keep here; given that this was somewhat hidden, there are canvassing concerns here.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, asilvering (talk) 04:18, 6 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]