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My article was declined

My first article was declined yesterday. I request the Teahouse editors to lend me a helping hand by doing necessary edits for my article, as it is really important for me--Assassin7177 (talk) 04:06, 27 October 2020 (UTC) Assassin7177 (talk) 04:06, 27 October 2020 (UTC)

Your draft was declined by an pretty experienced editor named DGG for the following reason: "This is a PR notice for a non notable youtubechannel. The references a re usual PR that is found in newspapers". DGG is not only an AFC reviewer, but is also an administrator, an oversighter and a checkuser. In other words, DGGs is someone who has been around quite a long time who has an established track record of having a really good understanding of Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. The Wikipedia community only confers such user rights on editors that it fully trusts to do what's best for Wikipedia. So, it might be best for you to ask DGG on his user talk page to clarify why he declined the draft and what he thinks is needed for the draft to be ultimately accepted.
You've asked about this draft previously at Wikipedia:Teahouse/Questions/Archive 1081#Help me improve my article, Wikipedia:Teahouse/Questions/Archive 1081#Help me improve my article_2, Wikipedia:Teahouse/Questions/Archive 1081#Changing the title of an article, but what you seem to not be understanding is that Wikipedia editors can't make a subject Wikipedia notable through editing. It makes no difference how well written or formatted an article is if the subject hasn't received the significant coverage in reliable sources that it needs to establish its Wikipedia notability. While the subject of this draft might be quite important to you, it's still going to have be something that's deemed Wikipedia notable to Wikipedia's readers for an article to be created about it. It could be that this is simply a case of WP:TOOSOON and that an article just can't be created about this subject at this particular time. It might also be a case where those wanting to create an article about this subject need to start looking to look for some place other than Wikipedia to create content about it. -- Marchjuly (talk) 04:51, 27 October 2020 (UTC)
Marchjuly (talk) Thank you for your advise. I have asked DGG about it and am expecting response to come fast. But still, could you comment on my information provided without concentrating on the subject, as in that way, I could atleast be sure that my style of writing is proprer
Assassin7177, writing is OK while notability is lacking.--Quisqualis (talk) 22:14, 27 October 2020 (UTC)

Follow-up to Music

 Clizi (talk) 22:26, 27 October 2020 (UTC)

As said before, this is a reference desk on editing Wikipedia. Instead, click this link -> Wikipedia:Reference desk, and someone there will gladly give you trivial facts about the media. Le Panini (Talk tome?) 22:30, 27 October 2020 (UTC)

I have edited a page which name is World Sunni Movement and it is not indexed by google

Why some article is not index by seacrh engine. Can anyone help to index this page Superman3355 (talk) 20:18, 27 October 2020 (UTC)

Superman3355 Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Articles are not indexed by search engines until they are formally marked as reviewed(or 60 days I think). Do you have a particular need for it to be seen in search engines quickly? 331dot (talk) 20:30, 27 October 2020 (UTC)
331dot Thanks. I am new and at first reviewer tagged some issue and I had solved that now what can I do for index. I am very interested to write in wikipedia but for this problem I am worried. Thanks again.
You cannot control the indexing of your article. If it passes review, or after 90 days following creation, whichever is sooner, will determine indexing of articles on Wikipedia.--Quisqualis (talk) 22:50, 27 October 2020 (UTC)

TFWiki.net

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:TFWiki.net This is my first article which I am currently working on. Could someone help me build up this page. It's a very important website that deserves a page. Nosecone6133 (talk) 14:25, 27 October 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Nosecone6133. Absolutely the first thing you need to do, before you write another word, is find at least three places where people who have no connection with TFWiki have chosen to publish a signficant amount - at least a few paragraphs - about it in places like major newspapers or books from reputable publishers - no fan-sites, wikis, or blogs, and nothing self-published. If you can do that, then you can write an article, by forgetting everything you know about the site and summarising what these independent commentaries say about it. If you cannot find three such sources, then the site does not meet Wikipedia's criteria for notability, and any further effort you spend on it will be a waste of your time. If you haven't already read your first article, that would be a smart move. --ColinFine (talk) 14:42, 27 October 2020 (UTC)
@Nosecone6133: Also, just to clarify, nobody and nothing "deserves a page" on Wikipedia. Articles here are not for the benefit of the subject. It may be that Wikipedia and its global readers would benefit from an article, summarizing what the sources that Colin wrote about above have written about the subject. It's important to keep this distinction in mind when choosing sources and writing an article here. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 23:14, 27 October 2020 (UTC)

How to tag my article

As most of the Teahouse editors know, I am a new editor who has just been autoconfirmed. I am looking to get my first article (Draft:Karikku published in my first attempt and am really thanfkful to the experienced editors for the help A section showed me that I should tag my article to improve my chances for a faster review. Can you please advise me how to do it, or you may do the needful yourselves. I am in no hurry Assassin7177 (talk) 05:02, 26 October 2020 (UTC) I just spotted a new issue Draft:Karikku_YouTube_Channel discusses the same topic as my (Draft:Karikku. But the first one was declined. So will it reduce my chances for success — Preceding unsigned comment added by Assassin7177 (talk • contribs) 05:16, 26 October 2020 (UTC)

@Assassin7177: That section tells you to give WikiProject tags on the talk page. I've gone ahead and added WikiProject India and WikiProject YouTube at Draft talk:Karikku. This lets editors involved in those WikiProjects to see that there's an article relevant to them that needs reviewing, hopefully getting you a faster review. There's a lot of pending drafts to review, so be patient! The other draft will not reduce your chance for success; the only thing that matters is how well you've written your draft. ◢  Ganbaruby!  (Say hi!) 05:51, 26 October 2020 (UTC)
There are at least two complications here. First, it appears that the Original Poster has changed their user name. At least that is what it appears, that they are may be either User:Assassin7177 or User:Atlantis77177. Second, the title of their draft has a history, and the title Karikku is create-protected (salted) in article space. If the subject of this new user's draft really is different, disambiguation will be necessary. However, I haven't seen the deleted article. Only administrators can view deleted articles. Robert McClenon (talk) 18:24, 27 October 2020 (UTC)
Surely there is no need for disambiguation? If the topic has (unexpectedly) become notable, the create protection can be lifted by an admin, once an AfC reviewer has accepted it. --bonadea contributions talk 18:52, 27 October 2020 (UTC)
User:Bonadea - That is true. I had disambiguation on my mind. If their topic is a different topic with the same name and is notable, the create protection can be lifted. I think that their topic is a different topic, although I am not sure. I don't think that their topic is notable, which is a different matter. Also, if their topic is notable, and is accepted, it may be necessary to watch the article to ensure that it is not hijacked. But anyway. They first need to establish notability. Robert McClenon (talk) 23:17, 27 October 2020 (UTC)

Question For Wikipedia Editors (reposted because I forgot the subject line)

This website is so incredibly wild to me. You have hundreds, if not more, professionals and experts creating articles about the most menial subjects. Almost every conversation I've seen in talk pages is formatted like a professional letter, and as I've been led to believe, 99% of the people who work on Wikipedia don't get any money for their work. Which brings me to my question, directed towards the more long-term or senior editors and admins here: Why? How did you get started here? Why do you keep going? If you have one, what's your real-life job, and does that job affect the work you do here? Do you do this because you enjoy it, or because someone needs to, and you can't stop? Do you see yourself still doing this in five years? Ten? When do you retire from a job that has no boss, no pay, and no hours? *How* do you retire from something you can't get away from?

Thank you for your time, Locke TheLockeDoctor 16:33, 27 October 2020 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Thelockedoctor (talk • contribs)

Hello, Thelockedoctor. I can only answer for myself: I have been editing here since 20062005; until 2011 I was also in full-time employment, but I retired then. I do it because I love being part of a huge, non-commercial, collaborative project; and I like helping people (and "non-commercial" is actually one of the most important points for me). I also volunteer at a local tourist site, I'm a trustee of a charity, and I was one of the founders of a company which for twenty five years has been running theatre venues at the Edinburgh Festival Fringe with entirely volunteer labour: I don't see this as all that different, except that I'm entirely free to do or not do what and when I want. It can get addictive, but isn't always. --ColinFine (talk) 17:07, 27 October 2020 (UTC)
Also see WP:Why to contribute. --ColinFine (talk) 17:10, 27 October 2020 (UTC)
I do so becuase I have time to spare and Wikipedia was quite usefull in my life so far, so I want to give something back. Side Note: There have been 121,250 editors with at leats one edit or logged action in past 30 days. Victor Schmidt (talk) 17:13, 27 October 2020 (UTC)
To Learn the Truth, Read My Wikipedia Entry on Sichuan Peppers has a little on that. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 17:18, 27 October 2020 (UTC)
Thelockedoctor, it's actually tens of thousands of active editors and millions who have ever edited, per Wikipedia:Statistics. I edit because it's a ton of fun. :) I like collaboration, and I love discovering a topic that is missing. —valereee (talk) 18:12, 27 October 2020 (UTC)
All of the above, plus it's a learning experience – a way to keep the mind sharp. I'm a (non-web) software developer and it's an opportunity to learn a new environment and set of languages. It's also a way to learn about subject areas that I would likely never be exposed to, in the process of copy-editing a page on a mountain in India, town in Russia, esoteric corner of mathematics, etc. I also occasionally get to use some of my life experience (hopefully) for the benefit of the project and its users. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 23:28, 27 October 2020 (UTC)

New York Times articles (pre 1970's)

Hello! I am doing research on a topic that is discussed in older New York Times articles (pre 1970's). I can see some of the preview text and the date, but I cannot see the author's name. It seems that only current subscribers can see the author's name. Are there editors who are NYT subscribers that can look up the author information? This must be a frequent problem. The Times is such a valuable resource for citation. Thank you! Thriley (talk) 07:55, 27 October 2020 (UTC)

Hi Thriley. You can try asking at Wikipedia:WikiProject New York City or Wikipedia:WikiProject Newspapers and perhaps you'll find someone who has access to the NYT's archives. You might also want to consider asking at Wikipedia:WikiProject Resource Exchange. -- Marchjuly (talk) 08:03, 27 October 2020 (UTC)
Thank you very much! I will consult those pages. Best, Thriley (talk) 08:12, 27 October 2020 (UTC)
Thriley, I suggest that you visit Wikipedia:The Wikipedia Library/Databases/Requests#New York Times to see if the access described there via ProQuest would help you. I have been searching NYT via ProQuest for several months, and I have found it to be very useful. Eddie Blick (talk) 23:53, 27 October 2020 (UTC)

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&D4135t;D4135t (talk) 17:58, 27 October 2020 (UTC)

Please don't add nonsense to the Teahouse. --a gd fan (talk) 19:14, 27 October 2020 (UTC)
I do not see that as nonsense. D4135t was advised to visit Teahouse, and in a very succinct way asked what Teahouse is. The answer - a place to ask questions about how edit or create Wikipedia articles. David notMD (talk) 01:24, 28 October 2020 (UTC)

Hello everyone,

Is there anyway for the paid tag to be removed from this page The_Urban_Legend_(comics)? I tried tagging the admin, but he is unresponsive. Many thanks! Zerotimesfour (talk) 22:30, 27 October 2020 (UTC)

@Zerotimesfour:, removing a {{paid contributions}} tag requires removing the text that is at issue. It appears that about 66% of the current text was authored by two suspicious accounts, one of which was blocked for undisclosed paid editing. At that level of suspicious editing, is probably best if the entire article were to be re-written by a neutral party who has no conflicts of interest. I hope that helps. Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 22:53, 27 October 2020 (UTC)
@Zerotimesfour:, I have cleaned the article up. It's now free from promotional nature. GeraldWL 05:03, 28 October 2020 (UTC)

Can I downloaded music on Wikipedia?

Please I do not know if I can download music on Wikipedia Mhiz Destiny (talk) 15:22, 27 October 2020 (UTC)

Please be more specific in your meaning. Britmax (talk) 15:29, 27 October 2020 (UTC)
What? Le Panini (Talk tome?) 15:31, 27 October 2020 (UTC)
Download music "from" Wikipedia? or Upload music "to" Wikipedia? Maineartists (talk) 15:33, 27 October 2020 (UTC)
Well, according to your user page, Wikipedia is not social media. It's an encylopedia, for information. You can't download music here. Le Panini (Talk tome?) 15:34, 27 October 2020 (UTC)
Technically you can download some old music (some of Beethoven's works or some national anthems for example) from Wikimedia Commons if it is there. But you definitely can't download newer music (if I recall correctly, the page on Oppa Gangnam Style has a short excerpt of the song as it is deemed to be important for the article, but technically it is non-free media and is hosted on Wikipedia). 45.251.33.192 (talk) 05:06, 28 October 2020 (UTC)

Help

Hello. I created an article -Draft:Dmitry Borisovich Volkov. It was reviewed and remarked about the ad style. The article was translated from the Russian Wikipedia. I ask experienced editors to help me look at the page with a professional eye and correct the style of the article. It is difficult for me to do this since I am not an English speaker. I am asking for help from a native English speaker. Please help correct the style of the article. Many thanks! 2A00:1FA1:41D2:7D38:4008:5E01:7DDA:6715 (talk) 18:55, 27 October 2020 (UTC)

I think that's going to be difficult. If the sources were in English, I would advise that rewriting the article from the beginning is going to be easier than "correcting the style": delete the whole draft, keep only the reliable published independent sources, and then write the article based on what those say. But when the sources are in Russian, you're going to need to find a native English speaker with a good understanding of Russian. Maproom (talk) 21:42, 27 October 2020 (UTC)
I very much ask anyone who has knowledge of the Russian language, please see the article. I will be very grateful for your help! 95.153.128.35 (talk) 05:35, 28 October 2020 (UTC)

How to make Football kit png

Hello , How a football kit used in articles of  football clubs are made ?? Like I saw many editors upload png of football kit and how can I make football kit png .Is there any application to create it ?? Thanks WhiteFalcon1 (talk) 06:52, 28 October 2020 (UTC)

It's generated using the {{football kit}} template which combines a bunch of existing images. Your best bet is to find an article about a team whose kit is a similar pattern, copy the code and vary that. --Paul ❬talk❭ 09:12, 28 October 2020 (UTC)

My article gets rejected again

What do i have to do to register a new page, concerning real businesses, and institutions that operate in my city Tirana, Albania ? Brenton Kotorri (talk) 14:38, 27 October 2020 (UTC)

@Brenton Kotorri: I assume this referes to Draft:Balfin Real Estate & Hospitality. You would realy need at least three independent (no interviews or press releases) reliable sources (no user-generated content) with significant coverage (not yust passing mentions) about the subject. Please also note that "declined"!="rejected". "declined" means "Eh, this is not ready for mainspace. Please improve it." while "rejected" means "Sorry, this cannot be a Wikipedia article, please stop wasting everyone's time". Your draft was declined. Victor Schmidt (talk) 14:54, 27 October 2020 (UTC)
I see, however, that a draft on this subject was declined earlier, and then deleted as promotional. Be aware that a mention of a company in a list, or the results of a Google search do not qualify as qualifying references. David notMD (talk) 14:57, 27 October 2020 (UTC)

Thank you — Preceding unsigned comment added by Brenton Kotorri (talk • contribs) 09:47, 28 October 2020 (UTC)

My First Article Could Use a Second Set of Eyes, Please?

Hi, I've been working on getting the following article up, but keep running into minor issues. Is anyone willing to take a look at the article and offer advice for any other changes? I just made edits to the footnotes but would like to get an additional set of eyes before I submit again.

Draft:Imani_J._Walker

I appreciate any and all help ahead of time! Thank you. Duragdaddy (talk) 03:48, 28 October 2020 (UTC)

Duragdaddy, The Declined reviewer called for better referencing. Also, minimally, remove the Link column in the tables, as articles are not supposed to contain hyperlinks. Better if the Online appearances and interviews table is completely deleted. David notMD (talk) 09:54, 28 October 2020 (UTC)

Need general advice about adding a character image

Hello! I have been busy rewriting the page Lloyd Garmadon in the hope of raising the article class from Start to GA. I would like to include an image of the character, but as I have never done this before I am concerned about copyright. There is an image of the character in Wikimedia Commons (File:Lloyd.webp) but it has been nominated for deletion. Should I attempt to find a suitable free image or avoid adding an image altogether? Any general image advice would be very much appreciated. Thank you so much! Fieryninja (talk) 10:35, 27 October 2020 (UTC)

Hi Fieryninja. Wikimedia Commons doesn't accept any type of fair use per c:COM:FAIR; so, unless the image you want to use can be verified to meet c:Commons:Licensing, it will be near impossible for Commons to keep it. Wikipedia does, however, accept certain types of fair use content uploaded locally as non-free content; however, the policy on using such content is quite restrictive. For fictional character images, it kind of depends on the nature of the character. If the character is basically the same appearance as the actor who is playing the part and the actor is still living, then it can sometimes be hard to justify using a non-free image because a free-equivalent image of the actor from around the same period of time is simply often considered acceptable to serve the same encylopeadic purposes as a non-free one per WP:FREER; however, if the character appears in special make up or in a special costume, then sometimes a non-free image of the actor as they appear in character is allowed. For the most part, non-free images of animated characters tend to be allowed since basically there's no way for a free equivalent to be created or found absent the original copyright holder of the character doing so. Such images are generally OK as long as they are used for primary identification purposes either a the top of or in the main infobox of a stand-alone article about the character, but much harder to justify when they are used in other articles or in other ways. -- Marchjuly (talk) 11:55, 27 October 2020 (UTC)
Thank you so much for your response. It has really helped me understand the general concept of fair use. I have studied the fair use guidelines and conclude that as the character is animated and bears no resemblance to any living person and cannot be replaced by a free image, then using a non-free image is acceptable under the criteria of fair use. I have also done further research in terms of the copyright guidelines published by Lego, which is the copyright holder. In their Fair Play Brochure they make the following statement about use of their copyrighted material under the heading Misuse on the Internet, "The LEGO Group owns copyrights to all of the building instructions, publications and photographs used in its catalogs, on its packages and websites. Copying, scanning and distributing these materials in the internet would be an infringement of the LEGO Group’s copyrights. Nevertheless, we permit very limited reproduction of our copyrighted material on websites for non-commercial purposes only, e.g. posting on a website to exchange information or making fair use commentary)." I believe therefore that is acceptable to use an image of the character that has been published on the Lego website for the purpose of illustrating the character in the infobox. I welcome any feedback from contributors on this subject before uploading it. Thanks Fieryninja (talk) 11:43, 28 October 2020 (UTC)

Interface/Style Question

Hello. Is it possible to edit the links I see at the top of my page, for my Talk page, Sandbox page, Watchlist, and others? I would like to add reference links (like to the Manual of Style or a user sub-page) to this list. Thanks, — Longchess (talk) 01:57, 28 October 2020 (UTC)

While I don't think you can change those links, you can add those links to your User Page. JackFromReedsburg (talk) 02:18, 28 October 2020 (UTC)
Thanks for the response: I was taking a look at Help:User style and wondered if there was a way to change those elements, but adding the links to my user page will serve as well. — Longchess (talk) 02:31, 28 October 2020 (UTC)
Longchess, it'd be possible to do that with a user script, possibly modeled after User:Lourdes/PageCuration. {{u|Sdkb}} talk 05:06, 28 October 2020 (UTC)
Sdkb, thanks, that worked perfectly! — Longchess (talk) 12:13, 28 October 2020 (UTC)

Which source do I use when they have the same contents

I've never run into this before, but I came across the same article written by the same person on multiple news outlets. Should I include all of them or only one of them, and which one should I include? My instinct is to include either the GlobalNews.ca source or the CTVNews source because the page I'm working on already has multiple sources from CBC and the Globe&Mail.

https://globalnews.ca/news/2438895/site-c-protesters-dig-in-prepare-for-arrests/

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/site-c-protesters-arrests-1.3394523

https://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/site-c-dam-protesters-in-b-c-prepare-for-arrests-1.2727299

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/british-columbia/site-c-dam-protesters-brace-cold-and-prepare-for-arrests/article28047465/ TipsyElephant (talk) 12:05, 28 October 2020 (UTC)

 Vidyanand Nandkeolyair (talk) 13:07, 28 October 2020 (UTC)

@Vidyanand Nandkeolyair: Do you see how on every page after "Keven Drews", it says "The Canadian Press"? That means that it's an article written by a reporter at The Canadian Press, a news agency, and the article is distributed through the various outlets listed above. In this case, any one of the websites is fine to use; just make sure to put "The Canadian Press" as in the |agency= field when you're using a citation template. ◢  Ganbaruby!  (Say hi!) 13:33, 28 October 2020 (UTC)

Moved in to Draft Twice

Hi Everyone, i created an article 'Appu Series' few days back. One editor moved it into draft Draft:Appu Series (videos). However the page was deleted earlier and i was aware of it and the content was completely different, i didn't copy and paste from anywhere. Am i not eligible to create articles into mainspace? Nagarjunsuresh (talk) 11:47, 28 October 2020 (UTC) Nagarjunsuresh (talk) 11:47, 28 October 2020 (UTC)

@Nagarjunsuresh: You say that the two versions are the same, but I took a look at them and they're basically identical ([1] [2]). The move was carried out by 1292simon, who identified that the draft has "POV and tone issues" that you need to address before it can be published onto the mainspace. Just because your article is in the draftspace does not mean it's "deleted"! Instead, we just want you to work on it a bit more so that it can be brought up to Wikipedia's standards. Once you fix these issues, hit the "Submit your draft for review!" button, and a volunteer will check to see if it's up to par. ◢  Ganbaruby!  (Say hi!) 13:41, 28 October 2020 (UTC)

profile for a former prominent athlete

I submitted a profile for a former prominent athlete. How does it get 'live'? Bhorler1975 (talk) 13:36, 28 October 2020 (UTC)

Bhorler1975, While it may sound like a semantic difference, we refer to "articles" rather than "profiles".
I assume you are talking about Draft:Blair A. Horler
It isn't remotely close to ready.
Please read Wikipedia:Autobiography
Writing about yourself is highly discouraged.
No articles about living people are permitted unless they have references. You can read more about references and general requirements for new articles at WP:YFA S Philbrick(Talk) 13:44, 28 October 2020 (UTC)
@Bhorler1975: You will need to declare on your userpage whether you are actually Blair Horler, or are someone else who's simply chosen to user their name as your username. If the latter, you need to abandon the account and create a new one under which to edit from. I'm sorry to read in the draft that he's dead. Use of the term 'was' in the first sentence does seem quite clear on that point! This appalling edit you made a while ago does make me wonder if you're genuinely trying to write an article about him/about yourself. If you are, I suggest you try to gain more general understanding of how Wikipedia works before diving into the hardest task here - creating a non-promotional article about yourself that meets our Sports notability criteria. See WP:REFBEGIN for how to support every single statement about a living person with an inline citation. If you can't - just remove the rest. I suggest you start by giving The Wikipedia Adventure a go, and try to collect all 15 competency badges as you do our interactive tour. Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 14:05, 28 October 2020 (UTC)

New Article Creation

How do I find new topics to create an article and contribute? My area of expertise are cricket,real estate and listed companies. KnowledgeWriterSara (talk) 09:12, 28 October 2020 (UTC)

Wikipedia:WikiProjects are a good way too find areas that need improvement or extra contribution. They're all structured slightly differently but most have a To-Do list or something similiar. You might want to take a look at the wikiprojects Cricket, Architecture and Companies. --Paul ❬talk❭ 09:17, 28 October 2020 (UTC)
Hello, KnowledgeWriterSara, and welcome to the Teahouse. As well as the advice Paul Carpenter has given you, please remember that creating a new article is not the only, or necessarily the best, way to contribute to Wikipedia. We have tens of thousads of seriously substandard articles (many of them created in the early days) which currently add little or no value to Wikipedia. Improving some of these (and nominating for deletion the ones which can never be turned into a satisfactory article) may add considerably more value to Wikipedia than creating a draft for a new article on a subject of doubtful notability. --ColinFine (talk) 10:41, 28 October 2020 (UTC)
I confirm the advice given above. If you want your contributing to Wikipedia to be pleasant and productive, keep away from creating new articles. Maproom (talk) 11:16, 28 October 2020 (UTC)
At a minimum, not until you have developed a clear understanding of what belongs and does not belong in an article, and what "reliable sources" means. David notMD (talk) 14:21, 28 October 2020 (UTC)

Cleaning up my talk page

Hello Teahouse Hosts

Is it permissible to delete content from my talk page?

Thank you in advance for your help -- Bughub (talk) 15:56, 28 October 2020 (UTC)

Bughub Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Yes, you are permitted to remove content from your user talk page. There are a few limited exceptions to that, but none of those are really pertinent to you. Removing content from your talk page is considered an acknowledgement that you read it. 331dot (talk) 16:01, 28 October 2020 (UTC)

YouTube notability - BLP

Hello all, I am continuing to amend Draft: Malinda Kathleen Reese to get it up to shape re notability (The draft has previously been rejected and discussed in this Teahouse). I was directed to (and read) Wikipedia:WikiProject YouTube/Notability and this dicussion which states "However, official channels of notable organisations, such as Monty Python's channel, may be acceptable as primary sources if their authenticity can be confirmed"- so would this suggest that the YouTube citations in the draft- videos uploaded to YouTube by the subject on her own channel, in which she provides factual information about herself- be considered reliable sources?

Many thanks, Mojo0306 (talk) 14:56, 28 October 2020 (UTC)

Mojo0306, checked the sources. Found RSes like The Independent, WSJ, etc, so it is notable. Will do a cleanup for the draft. GeraldWL 15:03, 28 October 2020 (UTC)
@Gerald Waldo Luis:, that would be great, many thanks! Mojo0306 (talk) 16:02, 28 October 2020 (UTC)
(edit conflict) @Mojo0306: Yes, but treat them as primary sources, which you have to be very careful with. Basing an article on too many primary sources is not ideal; instead, we want independent, secondary sources. Also, primary sources do nothing to establish notability. ◢  Ganbaruby!  (Say hi!) 15:04, 28 October 2020 (UTC)
@Ganbaruby: Brilliant, thanks for the guidance. The newspaper articles included in the list of citations (including Washington Post) should help with notability. Mojo0306 (talk) 16:02, 28 October 2020 (UTC)
Mojo0306, per WP:ABOUTSELF they can be used a little for stuff like born in/born when etc. However, they do not help with WP:N, and content based on them should be minimal. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 15:06, 28 October 2020 (UTC)
@Gråbergs Gråa Sång: Many thanks. I have tried to use them as minimally as possible. Mojo0306 (talk) 16:02, 28 October 2020 (UTC)

Draft:Chums (company)

Hi,

I believe you rejected my article last night. I have edited it today but wondered if it needs editing more to be accpeted.

Your help would be massively appreciated

Thanks user (talk) 14:20, 28 October 2020 (UTC)

A reviewer Declined Draft:Chums (company) and gave reasons why. The hosts at Teahouse are not the reviewer. You have made some changes and resubmitted. David notMD (talk) 14:33, 28 October 2020 (UTC)
Hello, Click0987. All but two of your references are not independent of the company, as they are clearly based on interviews or press releases; the remaning two only mention Chums in passing. None of these contributes at all to Wikipedia's criteria for NCORP, without which an article on the company will not be accepted. Basically, Wikipedia is not interested in anything the company says or wants to say: it is only interested in what people who have no connection with the company, and have not been prompted or fed information by the company, have chosen to publish in reliable sources. Unless you can find at least three examples of such writing, then you are wasting your time and effort. --ColinFine (talk) 16:21, 28 October 2020 (UTC)

Citing Sources Visually

Hello, I usually like to edit and add visually, because I don't really know how to do source edit on here. I got a message saying that one of my edits was deleted because I didn't cite a reliable source. Is there a way to add Cite sources visually, or am I stuck with having to do it all on Source Edit? Thanks in advance. Mr Mosaic (talk) 16:35, 28 October 2020 (UTC)

Mr Mosaic, you can add sources in Visual Editor. When you edit, near the top of the page it says Cite. Click on that and it opens up a box into which under the Automatic tab you can enter a URL or ISBN, and VisEd will create a properly-formatted citation, which you then click to insert. —valereee (talk) 16:43, 28 October 2020 (UTC)

CSD tag removed by IP address

Hello Teahouse folks, could I please get advice about a CSD situation? Recently I tagged an article for being promotional, but then the article creator removed the tag. My understanding is that the creator cannot remove it, so I re-added the tag but then it was removed by an IP address.

The IP has no other edits and I am suspicious that it is the same person who just deleted the tag while logged out. Could you please suggest what I can do about this? Cheers, 1292simon (talk) 23:26, 25 October 2020 (UTC)

Hello 1292simon. The Criteria for speedy deletion states: "For most speedy deletion criteria, the creator of a page may not remove the deletion tag from it; only an editor who is not the creator of a page may do so.". This indeeds sounds like the creator of the article is removing the speedy deletion tag. Only CheckUser's can verify if it's the same user. However, this doesn't sound serious enough for them to be involved. I recommend to just retag and let Administrators get to it. If the removal of the tag continues, alert Administrator of the page and user at The Administrators noticeboard Incidents page. Eyebeller (talk) 23:43, 25 October 2020 (UTC)
Hi Eyeballer. Many thanks for your help. As suggested, I will retag the article and see how that goes. Cheers, 1292simon (talk) 23:49, 25 October 2020 (UTC)
Hi 1292simon. The template seems to have been removed yet again. You could try re-adding it again, but someone has connested the speedy deletion of the article on its talk page which makes the tagging contentious and it will likely just continue to be removed. At some point, any benefit Wikipedia might get from a retagging of the article for speedy deletion is going to be outweighed the disruption caused by edit warring over the tag. The IPs might may be WP:SOCKS and end up being blocked, but you may end up blocked too even if you're really only mean well. So, if you truly believe that this article should be deleted as WP:SPAM, then perhaps try asking for direct administrator assistance at WP:AN or Wikipedia:WikiProject Spam. If you're not so sure, then you might also try nominating the article for deletion at WP:AFD instead. WP:BEFORE doing so it might be a good idea to seek input first from relevant WikiProjects like WP:AFRICA or WP:PRIZE to see what some other editors who might be familiar with that type of article may think. If there's a way to WP:PRESERVE the article, than outright deletion might not be necessary. At the same time, if the community consensus is that the article should be deleted, then IPs will not be able to stop that from happening. -- Marchjuly (talk) 01:09, 26 October 2020 (UTC)
I nominated the page for semi-protection to stop removal while logged out. The responding admin deleted the page instead. —teb728 t c 02:17, 26 October 2020 (UTC)
The article has been restored a draftified instead per WP:RPP#Anzisha Prize. Since you tagged the article for speedy deletion 1292simon and the creator has posted on your user talk page, perhaps you can explain what happened and recommend that the creator to submit the draft to WP:AFC for review instead of trying to re-create the article again directly in the mainspace. Trying to do the latter will only likely lead to the article being deleted again, most likely for good. -- Marchjuly (talk) 04:29, 26 October 2020 (UTC)

Thanks everyone for your help with this. I'm quite confused about how this all unfolded, but glad to see that the article has now been moved to Drafts.

In general, it seems like a loophole that the article creator can just log out to delete a CSD tag as an anonymous IP? Cheers, 1292simon (talk) 06:13, 26 October 2020 (UTC)

Yeah, its very possible it's the same person a gd fan (talk) 16:50, 28 October 2020 (UTC)

creating a wiki page for everyone to see

I have already created a draft but i don't know what to do after that TheDerpingMemes (talk) 17:56, 28 October 2020 (UTC)

TheDerpingMemes - I see your user page says "I create pages based on fictional story telling and roleplay" - I am afraid Wikipedia is not interested in such pages, such as Draft:Clevic aviation and space which you created - only pages based on reliable published sources - Arjayay (talk) 18:03, 28 October 2020 (UTC)

Wikimedia Common Room

Where is the Wikimedia Common Room? Jake E Schmidt (talk) 17:53, 28 October 2020 (UTC)

Hi Jake E Schmidt, welcome. Are you looking for Wikimedia Commons or somewhere else? Zindor (talk) 18:07, 28 October 2020 (UTC)

Creating portals

Hello, I have a question. Can you make portals even if you are not an admin? And do you use the draft namespace? Because I'm trying to make a portal for wildfires a gd fan (talk) 16:44, 28 October 2020 (UTC)

Hi a gd fan. Yes you can make a portal, but bear in mind the markup in portals is more unusual than articles and there's more of a focus on CSS, transclusion and features that rely on Lua module backends. The Portal space was overhauled in the not so distant past, automated features were added and the source code of most portals were made uniform; this gives the ability to make space-wide updates. If you do make a portal i would suggest basing it on an existing portal. The talk page of WikiProject Portals is a handy place to ask for help if you get stuck, although you're always welcome to ask here. Regards, Zindor (talk) 17:53, 28 October 2020 (UTC)
To answer the second part of your question, i've used sandboxes in the past when creating a portal. If you create yourself additional sandboxes, for example User:a gd fan/sandbox2, you can test transclusions between them. Zindor (talk) 17:58, 28 October 2020 (UTC)
There's also the secret Portal sandbox. Zindor (talk) 18:15, 28 October 2020 (UTC)

Untitled question

Hello,

I created my first article and it got deleted twice anyway i took the remarks that were made to me and i tried as good as i can to make it compliant to wiki. Nevertheless i would really like to have some experienced users to have a look at it before i submit it again to see if there are any corrections i should make. The article is in my drafts. Fadidib (talk) 16:58, 28 October 2020 (UTC)

I assume this referes to Draft:Rudy Rahme. I dont have the time right now to make a full assesment (and that would not be done on the Teahouse anyway), but here are my two cents:
  • The last sentence in the introduction is a classic example of WP:CITEKILL. One, maybe twwo references per fact. More is overkill.
  • Not all sources appear to be reliable. Right the fist one I opened smells like WP:UGC.
  • Not all sources are WP:SIGCOV.
  • Some of the refrences lead to nowhere. For example, number 23, [3] causes a DNS error. the closest one I could come up with, [4] is not even close to WP:SIGCOV.
Note: If you want to make a cause of WP:NARTIST, there are probbably editors who are more familar with that. Victor Schmidt (talk) 18:20, 28 October 2020 (UTC)

Uploading 100 images

Hi, I'm working on an article in my sandbox for 100 Views of New Tokyo. While I probably don't want to use all 100 images in the article (is this even allowed?), I found a few are already on wikimedia commons and thought it would be nice to upload them all and perhaps link to them. I don't really know how to do this, nor am I sure about copyright issues (the images were produced from 1928 to 1932).

The images can be found in good quality here

If it isn't possible to upload all 100, can someone just upload this one from 1929 for me?

Cheers, Dark Clouds of Joy (talk) 07:12, 28 October 2020 (UTC)

You'll want the template {{commons category}} Paul ❬talk❭ 07:28, 28 October 2020 (UTC)
Not sure I understand. Is that what you use to link to commons?
Yeah so you'll want to insert {{Commons category|One_Hundred_Views_of_New_Tokyo_(woodcut_series)|One Hundred Views of Tokyo}} into your article (normally around the External Links/See Also section. --Paul ❬talk❭ 08:12, 28 October 2020 (UTC)
It seems I'm not allowed to use the "upload wizard" yet. It tells me to do it at commons. I think they are okay for copyright, but it is confusing as Japanese law is different than US.
Also, I don't fancy uploading a hundred images one by one, is there a handy bot or something? Dark Clouds of Joy (talk) 07:36, 28 October 2020 (UTC)
Dark Clouds of Joy, to make search easier, we usually make categories. For example someone wants to find corona photos, they can find it at the coronavirus category. The upload wizard is only for copyrighted images. GeraldWL 07:40, 28 October 2020 (UTC)
(edit conflict) @Dark Clouds of Joy: Unless I'm missing something that says the images are under a different license, the page you linked says at the bottom that it is "Massachusetts Institute of Technology © 2009 Visualizing Cultures Creative Commons License Creative Commons - some rights reserved", i.e, "CC BY-NC-SA 3.0 US", which is not a "free license" as required by Wikimedia Commons (because of the "NC" part). Unless you can make a case for fair use per WP:NFCC, they cannot be uploaded here or used in an article. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 07:42, 28 October 2020 (UTC)
Sorry to be a pain, this copyright stuff is very confusing! The images were all produced from 1928 to 1932, I don't think the MIT has the copyright. As I said, there are already a quite a few images from this series on wikimedia commons: Category:One Hundred Views of New Tokyo (woodcut series) so I don't see a problem with uploading the rest. Dark Clouds of Joy (talk) 07:54, 28 October 2020 (UTC)
You're quite right, the copyright has probably expired on these images. If you look at Commons:File:Fujimori Kabuki-za.jpg you'll see that a relevant declaration re Japanese copyright law has been placed under Licensing. You can follow that example by clicking edit on that page and copy-pasting the code you find there. --Paul ❬talk❭ 08:22, 28 October 2020 (UTC)
Also that is quite a cheeky claim on MITs part. --Paul ❬talk❭ 08:23, 28 October 2020 (UTC)
Many thanks to you all for helping. I uploaded one image without too much trouble here I don't think I can stomach uploading the other ninety or so!
While I'm here, what's the deal with fair use? I'm working on an artist born 1899, died 1993. I can't find a photo of him, so would one of his prints (or more) be acceptable? Dark Clouds of Joy (talk) 08:38, 28 October 2020 (UTC)
Fair Use really only extends to an image that identifies the subject. So if the article is about the artist, the fair use image would have to be of the artist. Self portraiture might count if that's the only image available, but a copyrighted image of something else definitely wouldn't. (An image of just the artists signature may be considered public domain, so long as it's not a caligraphic signature, as it's not considered a creative work in of itself). --Paul ❬talk❭ 09:41, 28 October 2020 (UTC)
Ah, that's a shame. Thanks anyway. Dark Clouds of Joy (talk) 09:45, 28 October 2020 (UTC) (ps. Love the gnome!)
If I understand you correctly, all of these were published by 1932 at the latest. That's well over 50 years ago. If I understand commons:Template:PD-Japan correctly, then if the copyright of this series was held by its publisher, they're all in the public domain; but if it wasn't, then anything by anyone who died no later than 1967 is in the public domain; and anything by anyone still alive in 1968 is not in the public domain. (I doubt that the publisher owned the copyright, and if you say it did, you might have to provide evidence for this.) Incidentally, photographs are handled differently. I am no expert on copyright matters, and really the place to ask about it isn't here but instead Commons, specifically, commons:Commons:Village pump/Copyright. -- Hoary (talk) 11:48, 28 October 2020 (UTC)
We are not lawyers (or not those who represent the WMF anyway). I don't believe the WMF wants us to make decisions like this. If a page clearly states a restrictive license (as this one, I believe, does), I don't think it is up to us to try to determine if that license is invalid. It's just not important enough in the overall scheme of things compared to the risk of copyright violation, IMO. If you wanted to contact the page publisher (MIT) to seek clarification of the status, and present the argument, such that they will publish a clearly-stated free license for those images, then that would be the way to go, I think.
BTW, WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS is just as invalid an argument with regard to copyrighted images as it is for text. The presence of one (possibly-infringing) image in a series does not justify others. I'm certain that Commons and Wikipedia have many, many examples of copyright violations at any given time – some that remain for a long time. That has no bearing on what should be done in any particular case, which should stand or fall on its own merits. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 18:49, 28 October 2020 (UTC)

using primary sources for basic information

I've been reading up on when it's ok to use self-published sources, and am a little confused on how exactly it all plays out in real life.

The article I'm working on is for a musical artist who has a long list of releases, and for the release dates of all of these it's easiest to just use the artist's bandcamp page to get that basic information, rather than trying to find an interview for each one (many of them were minor releases of one or two songs and for these there probably isn't any independent source anyways).

But the guidelines say it's important that "The Wikipedia article is not based primarily on such sources." What exactly does "primarily" mean? Is there anything wrong with using a self-published source (the artist's bandcamp page) extensively for just getting release dates into the discography section? I'm not planning on using it much for the rest of the article, just that section.

If it matters, this is the page I'm working on: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Kadesh_Flow And this is the wikipedia guide page I'm referencing: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Reliable_sources#Self-published_and_questionable_sources_as_sources_on_themselves Existrud (talk) 18:08, 28 October 2020 (UTC)

@Existrud: regarding "primarely", it means that articles should not be use many primary sources and only a few non-primary ones. There is no definite percentage I can give you, but over 50% primary sources you realy will get in trouble at AFD. Note that there shouldn't be any plain external links in article bodies, so either convert them to references or remove them. WP:REFNAME might also be of interest. Victor Schmidt (talk) 18:25, 28 October 2020 (UTC)

Thank you @Victor Schmidt:. Existrud (talk) 19:02, 28 October 2020 (UTC)

citations

Having trouble viewing and modifying existing citations in "edit source" mode. All I see is reflist. Having trouble initiating a citation; no clue. NoPatriarchy (talk) 18:34, 28 October 2020 (UTC)

You edit where the source is located, not the references section. (Superscript [#] indicates a reference.) All {{reflist}} does is list the references above where it's invoked on the page. —A little blue Bori v^_^v Takes a strong man to deny... 18:46, 28 October 2020 (UTC)
Welcome to the Teahouse, NoPatriarchy. We have a couple of really useful guides you should read which make the seemingly complex task of adding inline citation quite straightforward. Our official guide is at WP:REFBEGIN, and one I threw together can be found at WP:ERB. Both have little videos you can watch, too. Let us know how you find them and how you get on. 18:59, 28 October 2020 (UTC)
Taking a look at your recent edits to Battle of Virden, I can see you've struggled to add references immediately after statements, but instead have incorrectly added them to 'External links' section. I also see you are aware of this and are intending to fix it, which is excellent. I suspect you might be planning on using one source to support multiple statements throughout the article. In which case, I'm pasting below a short pioecve of advice reusing a reference, and identifiying different pages from the same book in different inline citations:...
...To reuse a reference you give the reference a name, then on subsequent uses you 'call it up' by that name, without having to re-enter all the details again. See WP:REFNAME for a full explanation. You can then use the {{rp}} template to add specific page numbers immediately afterwards, like this: First fact found on page 29 of a book.[1]: 29  Second fact found on page 114 from the same book.[1]: 114  You put the reference in the article text, but, by some computer magic, the reference appears in the 'References' section, without you having to add anything there.

References

  1. ^ a b Willmot, A.; Moyes, N. (2015). The Flora of Derbyshire. Pisces Publications. ISBN 978-1-874357-65-0.
I hope you find this helpful. Nick Moyes (talk) 19:37, 28 October 2020 (UTC)

WhatsApp group.

Hi, thanks for inviting me. I want to ask you a question, is there any WhatsApp group relating Wikipedia administration? If it is then please add me there. باوا جی (talk) 18:07, 28 October 2020 (UTC) باوا جی (talk) 18:07, 28 October 2020 (UTC)

Hi @باوا جی, there is an IRC chat, and a Discord (the latter of which is what I use). As far as I'm aware, we don't have a community WhatsApp group. Ed talk! 19:35, 28 October 2020 (UTC)
@باوا جی There is also a specific IRC chat for administrators, but that is open only to those with administrator rights here on English Wikipedia. Personally, I think it best to keep most discussions out in the open, and visible for all to see. Nick Moyes (talk) 19:43, 28 October 2020 (UTC)

Replying back to a comment on a talk page

How do I properly reply back to someone's comment on a talk page? Or even here in The Teahouse? Thanks! Brooklynguy7 (talk) 20:08, 28 October 2020 (UTC)

@Brooklynguy7: You find the original thread/topic you created, click 'edit source', then you use a single colon to indent your reply.
Two colons indents it a bit more
Three colons even more still! So try to keep all the related discussions in one place. Read more at WP:TALKPAGE and WP:PING. (Remember to put something in the 'Subject' field if you do start a new discussion topic.) Nick Moyes (talk) 20:22, 28 October 2020 (UTC)
@Nick Moyes: Ah, thank you! I appreciate that. I'm learning!
OK, Brooklynguy7 One step at a time is always best- you're bound to make a few mistakes at first. No worries. If you want to 'ping' or notify someone in your reply, make sure you both include their username in the way you did (or the way I've just done in this reply) AND sign your own name within the same edit, by typing four keyboard tildes (like this: ~~~~) at the very end, then hit Publish changes. You can't add a signature on a subsequent edit or the notification won't work. Do give The Wikipedia Adventure Tour a try, too. Cheers Nick Moyes (talk) 20:34, 28 October 2020 (UTC)  
Appreciate it Nick Moyes! Brooklynguy7 (talk) 20:38, 28 October 2020 (UTC)

Social media as a source

Am I able to use a social media post as a proper citation if no published article exists? Brooklynguy7 (talk) 18:53, 28 October 2020 (UTC)

Welcome to the teahouse Brooklynguy7. In general 'NO!', because social media posts aren't regarded as reliable. However it depends what statement it is you're trying to support, and what link looks like. Very minor stuff about an individual can be supported with content from their social media stream, but should mostly be avoided. See WP:SOCIALMEDIA for more guidance on that. One could also consider presenting the statement and the link on the article's talk page to gather other editors' views before trying to use it within an article. Getting feedback on things like that is also a good way to learn. Nick Moyes (talk) 19:02, 28 October 2020 (UTC)
@Nick Moyes Thank you very much for answering both of my questions. I really appreciate the warm welcome as I'm figuring this all out. I appreciate your insight on using social media posts as proper citations. I made some edits earlier and was flagged by another editor because I used YouTube as my citation, so I was curious about the rule for social media posts too. I was discouraged by the flag, but like I said, I'm just trying to learn and be a better editor! So I very much appreciate your help! Brooklynguy7 (talk) 20:35, 28 October 2020 (UTC)
Brooklynguy7, we have a page, WP:RSN, for discussing particular sources. Some sources have been up for discussion several times, and those sources were put on a separate list, WP:RSP, you may find it helpful. By now it's rather long, and you can for example find The Bible and Wikipedia on it. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 20:43, 28 October 2020 (UTC)
@Brooklynguy7: I do hope you won't ever be put off by what we call 'templated messages'. They may seem a bit harsh or stern, but they are a practical way for experienced editors to quickly steer erring users in the right direction. It's true, that we do have four tiers of escalating massages, so if you start to find that's happening to you, or your edits get reverted, just stop, think wha you might have done that didn't fit in with an encyclopaedia, and by all means ask the other editor to explain what you've done wrong. If all else fails - just drop by here. We really are a friendly bunch, keen to work collaboratively, but with 6,000,000 articles, and c.30,000 active editors, with new ones coming every day, we do get a bit rushed in our communications. Not putting you off, and helping you with any problems is our aim here. We serve tea, occasionally, too! Nick Moyes (talk) 20:52, 28 October 2020 (UTC)
@Nick Moyes: I really appreciate that a lot. Thank you! I'm definitely trying not to be put off by those messages (from bots and other editors), but I'm also still new and learning the ways. I want to get it all right and simply help improve pages for topics that interest me and I can see need some tender loving care! (I do love delicious tea too though!) Brooklynguy7 (talk) 21:01, 28 October 2020 (UTC)

2 Questions in One

Sorry for asking 2 questions at once but How do I create a good article and how do I add images to an article? Blaze The Wolf (talk) 19:58, 28 October 2020 (UTC)

@Blaze The Wolf: Any article that one might call 'good' on Wikipedia is about a NOTABLE TOPIC, contains a short, concise WP:LEAD which summarises the page. Everything is written in a neutral, encyclopaedic tone, and is WP:VERIFIABLE because it contains REFERENCES to RELIABLE SOURCES, and links to and from other articles. Adding images is a stage further down the line, and you can't simply take a picture off the internet and add it to Wikipedia. If you link to the image you'd like to add, we can advise you if it's likely to be OK or not. All images found on Wikimedia Commons can be inserted into Wikipedia articles. Read YOUR FIRST ARTICLE for further guidance. Start with small, simple steps as you learn how things work here. Good luck! Nick Moyes (talk) 20:29, 28 October 2020 (UTC)
Ah ok thank you. I will probably add some images for my city to Wikimedia because I don't think there are enough and the city has changed a little. Again thank you for helping me out! Blaze The Wolf (talk) 20:42, 28 October 2020 (UTC)
OK, Blaze The Wolf Providing these are your own photos and are of reasonable quality, you can upload them to Wikimedia Commons. But you can't upload anyone else's (with a few exceptions related to certain types of licencing). See Wikipedia:Images for a load of links to different aspects of help relating to images, or c:Commons:First steps for uploading your own photos to Commons. Nick Moyes (talk) 20:56, 28 October 2020 (UTC)
Yep they will be both. I actually live there so I can actually give my own images. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Blaze The Wolf (talk • contribs) 21:50, 28 October 2020 (UTC)

new on wikipedia

I am new on wikipedia and am having a difficult time in creating articles and editing the aricles i have an idea on. Niranadedokun (talk) 21:05, 28 October 2020 (UTC)

Hello Niranadedokun! WP:TUTORIAL and WP:ADVENTURE may be good places to start. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 21:16, 28 October 2020 (UTC)
Hello, Niranadedokun, and welcome to the Teahouse. In my view, becoming a Wikipedia editor and trying to create an article straight away is like having your first music lesson and giving a public concert, or having your first German lesson and trying to make a podcast in German. I recommend you spend a few weeks or months making improvements to some of the tens of thousands of articles that really need attention, before trying to create a new one. --ColinFine (talk) 21:54, 28 October 2020 (UTC)

Create a wiki page

Hey, I'm looking to a create a Wiki page for the founder of an organization I work for. How do I go about that? 172.81.70.50 (talk) 21:49, 28 October 2020 (UTC)

Hello, IP user, and welcome to the Teahouse. I'm afraid I'm going to give you an answer you probably don't want: DON'T DO IT.
In the first place, see my reply to the previous question, just above: creating an article is hard.
Secondly, creating an article about somebody you work with is even harder, because you are likely to find it hard to write neutrally about them: we call this editing with a conflict of interest.
If you go ahead with it, you need to bear in mind that a Wikipedia article does not belong to its subject, is not for the benefit of its subject, will not necessarily contain what the subject would like it to contain, and should contain almost no information which comes from the subject or their associates: it should be almost entirely based on what people who have no connection with the subject, and have not been prompted or provided with information on behalf of the subject, have chosen to publish about the subject in reliable sources. That means that for you to write it, you would have to find these independent published sources, and then forget everything you know about your founder, and write an article based only on these sources.
Do you see why I say it is difficult?
But, if you still wish to try, as well as the links in my reply, please read WP:NBIO and WP:YFA. --ColinFine (talk) 22:03, 28 October 2020 (UTC)
And read WP:PAID

Is it possible to add new field to an existing Infobox?

Hello,

I would like to add the field "Chief Librarian" or "Librarian" to the Museum Infobox (the existing fields, including "Director," "Chairperson," and "Historian," are not quite correct). I checked the Infobox Help pages, but didn't see any information there. My apologies in advance if I missed something!

Many thanks for your kind help with this. Ellen.prokop (talk) 22:05, 28 October 2020 (UTC)

Hello Ellen.prokop! As I understand it, you can suggest this change at Template talk:Infobox museum. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 22:12, 28 October 2020 (UTC)
Thank you!— Preceding unsigned comment added by Ellen.prokop (talk • contribs) 22:48, 28 October 2020 (UTC 9) (UTC)
@Ellen.prokop: Welcome to the Teahouse. I might have suggested that it's a bit oxymoronic to want to add 'Chief librarian' to Template:Infobox museum when you really ought to be using and adding it to Template:Infobox library and deploying that one in Frick Art Reference Library, instead. I say "might", because the first museum I was employed at almost 40 years ago in Kirklees did have a horrible man in charge, under the job title of Chief Librarian and Curator, ostensibly running both its libraries and its museums service (everyone one else was kept firmly in their place by being called something like 'Principal Assistant Curator', 'Senior Assistant Curator' or 'Junior Assistant Curator' (guess which I was!)) But I wouldn't get too hung up on exact job titles, as Director seems pretty equivalent to me, and if there's some weird nomenclatural anomaly in this one institution, that can surely be explained within the article text without adding Chief Librarian as a parameter in a Museum infobox. Nick Moyes (talk) 22:51, 28 October 2020 (UTC)
Thank you for your insight.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Ellen.prokop (talk • contribs) 22:58, 28 October 2020 (UTC 9) (UTC)

Reference List

I had some questions about references and using a reference list. I'm currently working on this draft: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Art_Napoleon_(Artist)

I was curious how specific a source has to be in order to be used. For instance, I have a source that is not explicitly about Art Napoleon, but there is one paragraph on him in the source that mentions his age which I couldn't find in other sources. Is that sufficient for it being used as a reference?

I was also curious whether there is a standard formatting convention for a reference list. For instance, should the sources be ordered in a specific way? Should the metadata for each source be ordered in a specific way? And more specifically I was wondering when to use "work" as opposed to "website", and when to use "publisher" as opposed to "agency".

When is a reference reliable or unreliable? I have a number of different news outlets that are well-known and quite a few that aren't well-known, so when is a news outlet too obscure to count as reliable? Here's a list of the news outlets I used (do any stand out as unreliable?):

  • The New York Times
  • The Globe And Mail
  • CBC
  • GlobalNews.ca
  • National Observer
  • The Tyee
  • The Hamilton Spectator
  • The Province
  • Winnipeg Free Press

The remaining news outlets are more questionable:

  • Alaska Highway News
  • Times Chronicle / Osoyoos Times
  • The Georgia Straight
  • Prince George Citizen
  • Dawson Creek Mirror
  • Muskrat Magazine
  • First Nation Drum Magazine
  • Eat North
  • Darpan Magazine
  • Briarpatch Magazine
  • The Epoch Times

I also have a few references that aren't news outlets and I was curious what's allowed for non-news sources because those are the one's I've run into the most trouble with in the past. Here are the few that I'm currently using in my draft:

Sorry there are so many questions. TipsyElephant (talk) 00:13, 29 October 2020 (UTC)

Hi TipsyElephant. You can find out a little more about the types of sources typically considered reliable for Wikipedia's purposes at Wikipedia:Reliable sources. You might also want to look at Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Perennial sources for some more information on some specific sources that are often asked about. Generally, a source isn't necessarily considered reliable just because it's well-known, but rather because it has a well-established track record and reputation for a fairly strong system of editorial control and fact checking. In other words, content is, for the most part, properly vetted before be provided for general consumption. Of course, this doesn't mean that a reliable source is also correct about what information it releases and also isn't sort of biased by the information it releases, but it usually means that the "facts" being presented are considered to be accurate (or accurate) as could be expected. Sometimes a source not very well-known by the general public might be considered a niche source and be reliable for certain types of subject matter and that often depends upon context in which the source is being cited.
You can find out some more information of "how" to cite sources in Help:Referencing for beginners. Generally, a properly formatted citation will be numbered in accordance with the order it appears in the article; so, for example, the first source the Wikipedia software finds used the article will be listed as number 1, and so on. If a source is used more than once and is formatted as such, each subsequent usage will appear under the same number as the initial usage. There are various different types of citation styles and some may use a slightly different type of numbering, but the one I've described above is probably the most common. -- Marchjuly (talk) 00:34, 29 October 2020 (UTC)

Enough notoriety to create a page?

Hi all, I'm trying to create a page for a non-profit that I work for, but before I invest tons of hours into creating it, I want to gauge whether this project has enough notoriety to substantiate a wiki article. I am trying to describe an online database of contemporary classical music compositions. This database is free to submit to, and free to use, so it is not really an add for anything as there is absolutely no money to be made. the sources that I have right now are two audio interviews in podcasts with the founder of the project, a passing mention of the project in an academic university newspaper, a spread in a print journal called Choral Journal, and a spread in an international choral news print journal. Of the two print sources, the first article was written by the founder of the project and submitted to the journal, and the second article was a revision of the first article edited by me. The potential conflicts of interest aside, would this constitute enough notoriety to try and proceed? Thank you so much for any help and guidance. Anna.W.Music (talk) 01:56, 29 October 2020 (UTC)

Notability is the word you are looking for, and "No. David notMD (talk) 02:01, 29 October 2020 (UTC)
@Anna.W.Music: To expand on the answer above, notability is determined by whether "a topic has received significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject" (WP:N). Every source above is either not significant or not independent. ◢  Ganbaruby!  (Say hi!) 02:04, 29 October 2020 (UTC)

BOBBY LEE CAMPBELL

can you help me write an article about myself Doebelly1 (talk) 00:35, 29 October 2020 (UTC)

Doebelly1 Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. The best advice would be to not attempt to write about yourself. Autobiographical articles are strongly discouraged on Wikipedia per the autobiography policy. Wikipedia is not a place for people to tell about themselves; this is an encyclopedia, where articles about people summarize what independent reliable sources with significant coverage have chosen on their own to say about a person, showing how they meet the special Wikipedia definition of a notable person(there are also more specific criteria for certain fields like athletes, politicians, musicians, etc.). Wikipedia is not interested in what someone says about themselves. If you meet the definition of a notable person and are given significant coverage in sources(not brief mentions, press releases, interviews, etc.), someone will eventually take note of your career and choose to write about you.
In addition, an article about yourself is not necessarily a good thing. You could not lock it to the text you might prefer, or prevent others from editing it. Any information about you, good or bad, could be in an article about you as long as it appears in an independent reliable source and is not defamatory. Please keep that in mind. 331dot (talk) 00:42, 29 October 2020 (UTC)
(edit conflict) Hi Doebelly. Assuming you mean that you are Bobby Lee Campbell, I suggest you take a look at Wikipedia:Autobiography, Wikipedia:Notability (people), Wikipedia:An article about yourself isn't necessarily a good thing and Wikipedia:The answer to life, the universe, and everything, Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not#Wikipedia is not a blog, web hosting service, social networking service, or memorial site and Wikipedia:Ownership of content because it sounds like you might be misunderstanding what Wikipedia:Articles are intended to be. If after looking at those pages you have any questions, feel free to ask them here at the Teahouse. -- Marchjuly (talk) 00:44, 29 October 2020 (UTC)
didn't know that thanks for the information— Preceding unsigned comment added by Doebelly1 (talk • contribs) 00:47, 29 October 2020 (UTC 9) (UTC)
^ It is a terrible TERRIBLE idea to create an article about yourself. The only reason you would want an article about you would be if you were someone extremely famous and well known. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Blaze The Wolf (talk • contribs) 01:21, 29 October 2020 (UTC)
Hello Doebelly1. When I did a Google News search for Bobby Lee Campbell, I found a lot of information about a fellow of the same name who died in January, 2020. I am assuming that you are another person with the same name. What exactly makes you notable and eligible for an encyclopedia article? Cullen328 Let's discuss it 02:12, 29 October 2020 (UTC)

how would i publish the souce i created

will it be published or does it go through checking? Bijujoshua (talk) 03:48, 29 October 2020 (UTC)

@Bijujoshua: I assume you're asking how to publish your draft at User:Bijujoshua/sandbox. Unfortunately, at this state, the article does not show the subject's notability (WP:N and WP:SINGER). You currently have two sources, where one only has a passing mention, and a lot of the information in the article does not have reliable sources backing them up. Refer to WP:YFA for general instructions on how to create an article. ◢  Ganbaruby!  (Say hi!) 04:10, 29 October 2020 (UTC)

Reliable sources

What are reliable sources (definition) if I am writing an article about an artist? and how to submit that source of information for verification of wiki team. ? Please guide me Arvindervirk92 (talk) 07:18, 29 October 2020 (UTC)

@Arvindervirk92: Does WP:Reliable sources help you? There is also a list of sources who have been wiely discussed about their reliability. Its located here. Victor Schmidt (talk) 07:35, 29 October 2020 (UTC)
Arvindervirk92, if this is about Draft:Riyaaz, I suspect you have misunderstood the "decline" notices at the top, which are misleading. It's not enough for the sources to be reliable. To establish that Riyaaz is notable, you'll need to cite several reliable independent published sources with significant discussion of the subject. The draft currently cites only two sources (one of them twice), and while Times of India maybe be reliable, neither of the sources has any discussion of him. Maproom (talk) 07:57, 29 October 2020 (UTC)
Arvindervirk92 Hi, could i also add that YouTube is not a reliable source and will not be accepted as a source in any form of way as anyone can post on YouTube.Trains2050 (talk) 08:26, 29 October 2020 (UTC)

Youtube

Hello. I read WP:YOUTUBE and I am still a little confused. When exactly can you use a Youtube video as a citation? If your only source for a claim, or statement of fact, is a Youtube video, wouldn't that automatically make the claim UNDUE or OR (especially for a BLP)? Thanks! Dr.Swag Lord, Ph.d (talk) 06:32, 29 October 2020 (UTC) Dr.Swag Lord, Ph.d (talk) 06:32, 29 October 2020 (UTC)

Hello Dr.Swag Lord, Ph.d. It is certainly true that the vast majority of YouTube videos are of no use as Wikipedia references. However, if the YouTube channel is the official channel of a reliable source such a a respected media outlet or an academic who has been previously published in the topic area, then the video may be reliable. A YouTube video that offers basic non-controversial biographical information may also be acceptable, if uploaded by that person. For example, the person saying they were born in such and such a town in a certain year, and graduated from such and such a university two plus decades later. If the person has a reputation as a liar, then the YouTube video should be excluded. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 07:02, 29 October 2020 (UTC)
@Cullen328: That makes more sense. I'm assuming if the person made a more contentious or controversial claim in a Youtube video, such as "I don't believe in climate change" or whatnot, then we would not be allowed to include that statement--unless, of course, we had a RS that reported on that statement? Dr.Swag Lord, Ph.d (talk) 08:00, 29 October 2020 (UTC)
They saying it on their own YouTube channel would be a reliable source for the fact that they had said it. But unless this had been reported on by independent sources, I'm not sure that that claim would be encyclopaedic. --ColinFine (talk) 09:23, 29 October 2020 (UTC)

References

Hi, I've had a new page declined because it doesn't show any references. The problem is that all my references are on paper and pre-date the internet. The league's and competitions that the club competed in either no longer exist or the older recorded are not online. I do have plenty of photographs and documents though.

The page is: Draft:Northfield Harriers FC.

Thanks Andre AndrzejVillan (talk) 09:58, 29 October 2020 (UTC)

AndrzejVillan Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Reliable sources or references do not need to be online, but they do need to be publicly accessible for verification purposes. If the references are documents that are only in your private hands(i.e. not in a library or accessible newspaper archive) they would not be acceptable for referencing a Wikipedia article. I've linked to the draft so others can see it. A Wikipedia article needs to summarize what independent reliable sources with significant coverage have chosen on their own to say about the subject, showing how it meets the special Wikipedia definition of (in this case) a notable organization.
I'm wondering if you have an association with this team, if so, please review conflict of interest. 331dot (talk) 10:06, 29 October 2020 (UTC)

Government published books

Is government published books trusted on Wikipedia? and Is the books who published by government considered reliable source on Wikipedia?. The books like :-

1.Census of India, 1961: Madhya Pradesh Volume 8, Issue 2 of Census of India, 1961, India. Office of the Registrar General

2.Madhya Pradesh: Narsimhapur. Supplement Gazetteer of India Volume 7 of Madhya Pradesh: District Gazetteers, Madhya Pradesh (India)

3.Madhya Pradesh District Gazetteers: Chhindwara Gazetteer of India Volume 37 of Madhya Pradesh District Gazetteers, Madhya Pradesh (India) Sumit banaphar (talk) 08:31, 28 October 2020 (UTC)

Yeah--Paul ❬talk❭ 08:34, 28 October 2020 (UTC)

So can I make changes while using these sources as a reference (consensus)Sumit banaphar (talk) 10:45, 28 October 2020 (UTC)

@Sumit banaphar: Only with consensus, which you don't have. Two other editors and I have objected to your edits. Courtesy links: Talk:Banaphar, Talk:Udal of Mahoba, Talk:Alha. ◢  Ganbaruby!  (Say hi!) 13:43, 28 October 2020 (UTC)

@◢  Ganbaruby! :-Sir just tell me one thing that if I'm providing you the links of government published books which is consider reliable source everywhere. Than what's the problem? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sumit banaphar (talk • contribs) 15:50, 28 October 2020 (UTC)

Answer me Sumit banaphar (talk) 06:40, 29 October 2020 (UTC)

@Sumit banaphar: unfortunately the response from "Paul" (Paul Carpenter) above was misleading. A book published by a government is fairly likely to be a reliable source (in comparison to a personal blog, for instance), but if you take a moment to read the Reliable Sources guideline you will see that it is always a question of context. Per the reliable sources guideline, "[i]nformation provided in passing by an otherwise reliable source that is not related to the principal topics of the publication may not be reliable; editors should cite sources focused on the topic at hand where possible." For example, a census of India from 1961 could be used to verify population figures in 1961, although since it is a primary source it would be preferrable to find a secondary source. But it could obviously not be used to verify population figures for 1991, and as for information "provided in passing", it could not be used to falsify a reliable scholarly source from the 2000s. Questions about whether a particular source can be used to verify a particular claim in a particular article are better asked at the reliable sources noticeboard. --bonadea contributions talk 07:05, 29 October 2020 (UTC)
Yes perhaps I should have mentioned that being considered reliable doesn't make it anything the most or absolutely reliable. --Paul ❬talk❭ 10:25, 29 October 2020 (UTC)

@bonadea:-it is written in the page but honestly I didn't get that who to write the notice to ask that a source is realible for a particular article.So can you tell meSumit banaphar (talk) 07:57, 29 October 2020 (UTC)

@Sumit banaphar: I will do my best. Please let me know if any of the following is not clear.
Start by searching the noticeboard archives, which you will find on the right-hand side of WP:RSN (the search box right under the text "Search the noticeboard archives".) Read any discussions that come up in your search, and see if it is in fact the same source that is discussed (for instance, if you search for "Gazetteer" there are some discussions about the old British Raj gazetteers of India, which are a different thing). If you should find a previous discussion in the RSN archives about one of the sources you are asking about, provide a link to that, and you should also link to the article talk pages where the sources have been brought up recently.
Present each source. The information you gave above (publisher, title, and so on) is just what is needed, except that you should also include the publication year and the page number(s) for the text you want to use as a source. If there are links to where the source can be read online, add those as well, but remember that the links are much less important than the source information.
Link to the Wikipedia article where you think the source should be used, and quote the exact statement in that article that should be supported by the source – or the statement you think is contradicted by the source you present. Give enough context from the source you present to make it clear what the source says; as far as I have been able to tell, the sources you listed above are not possible to read online except in "snippet view" which does not give a lot of context, so it would be very helpful to the people at RSN if you could also quote the parts that can't be seen in that view.
Since you are also trying to show that the new sources you present are more reliable than the existing source, you will need to explain why that is the case.
I hope this makes sense – other Teahouse hosts are more than welcome to chime in and explain bits I missed. Regards, --bonadea contributions talk 08:47, 29 October 2020 (UTC)

Are specific awards enough for a wiki?

I've been trying to find astronomy topics and I recently came across these awards pages. There are astronomers here who have won awards but don't have wikis. Can I assume their wiki articles would stick based on these awards? Or do I need to look at them on a case by case basis and have other features that would make them ready for Wikipedia? Thanks for the help! Petrie Prize Lecture, National Prize for Exact Sciences (Chile), Barringer Medal, Beatrice M. Tinsley Prize & Annie Jump Cannon Award in Astronomy.  Shootin Starz (talk) 10:30, 29 October 2020 (UTC)

Each of those are Wikipedia list articles at which some of the recipients are not themselves subjects of Wikipedia articles. You are right to consider them potentially article-worthy, but the award itself is not sufficient to establish notability. One approach would be to model a draft on the existing articles about other winners of those awards, most of which have many references. David notMD (talk) 10:47, 29 October 2020 (UTC)
P.S. Remember to 'sign' and date your comments by typing four of ~ at the end. David notMD (talk) 10:51, 29 October 2020 (UTC)
If having won these awards gathered significant coverage (i.e. more than just a passing mention) then maybe. But it really comes down to how much has actually been said about them. --Paul ❬talk❭ 10:52, 29 October 2020 (UTC)

Page adding

How do I add a page on Wikipedia? Kapkzt Animates (talk) 02:00, 29 October 2020 (UTC)

@Kapkzt Animates: Writing an article is one of the hardest things to do on Wikipedia. See WP:YFA for more details. ◢  Ganbaruby!  (Say hi!) 02:06, 29 October 2020 (UTC)
Kapkzt Animates, as Ganbaruby says, creating an article from scratch is difficult. It requires extensive knowledge of Wikipedia policy, and for someone who has never edited before, it can be extremely frustrating. It's better for new editors to focus on making improvements to existing articles for a few months, which gives you the chance to learn our policies. What is it you're interested in writing an article about? There may be related articles that would also interest you and which would let you get that experience. —valereee (talk) 11:57, 29 October 2020 (UTC)

Notable or not? New article about indie band.

Hello. I'm interested in writing an article about the band Spring Offensive. Though I'm not sure if the article would be considered notable enough or not. I think the main issue would be that they haven't been active the last years with the exception of a concert they wanted to perform in May this year (which has been postponed to May 2021 due to the pandemic) . They toured a handful of countries in Europe when they were active and they still use their Twitter & Facebook page, their music is on Spotify, Apple Music, etc. and I've been able to find some articles about them to source the information about things like the band members positions, location, tour dates, the music released. Guidance on this would be appreciated. Thank you for reading. Neon700 (talk) 15:32, 28 October 2020 (UTC)

@Neon700: Notability is based on whether "a topic has received significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject" (WP:N). They don't have to be particularly active, nor does their music have to be on streaming platforms. Instead, a good article should have multiple of these reliable sources to back up the information. Refer to WP:YFA for some general guidelines on creating an article. ◢  Ganbaruby!  (Say hi!) 16:03, 28 October 2020 (UTC)
@Neon700: I've created a few articles on indie bands that have been accepted. The best thing to do is to search for articles that are not based on interviews or press releases. Reviews of their releases or concerts are best for this, in my experience. You may be able to find some interviews with the band that have an introductory section giving some background about them that you could also use, but this on its own would not confer notability. Start by trying to find the sources and summarise what they say, without adding any of your personal knowledge that is not contained in them. Good luck! 90.247.254.61 (talk) 12:16, 29 October 2020 (UTC)
That last comment was by me, but I forgot to log in! Turner Street (talk) 12:18, 29 October 2020 (UTC)

I want to change my username

Please help me how can I edit my user name Mehedi Hassan Lpn (talk) 12:59, 29 October 2020 (UTC)

Hi Mehedi Hassan Lpn the instructions for this are at Wikipedia:Changing username. If you have an email address attached to your account, you can make a request at Special:GlobalRenameRequest. Joseph2302 (talk) 13:02, 29 October 2020 (UTC)

Allegations in the controversy section and giant killer

Hello everyone, In the controversy section of D. K. Shivakumar, there are a lot of allegations about him and some not convicted by the court. I read about blp and it goes against it mainly WP:BLPCRIME.

There is also a word "giant killer" in the political career section. He is not known as giant killer.

I think his political opponents are adding these in the page. There are also content in the controversy which is out of context. I don't know all the policies, can it be removed? ಅರುಣ್ ಜಯರಾಮನ್ (talk) 11:00, 29 October 2020 (UTC)

I'm working on getting rid of the unsourced stuff. —A little blue Bori v^_^v Takes a strong man to deny... 14:32, 29 October 2020 (UTC)

Deleted?

I made an addition to several articles, all of which dealt with the same issue. This was later removed and I’d like to know why. Can you please help me contact the person who removed my content so I can find out why. Thanks 172.58.59.70 (talk) 11:20, 29 October 2020 (UTC)

Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. You have no other edits from your IP address other than this post; if you have an account, please log in before posting so we can look at your edits in order to help you. If you don't wish to do that; you may check the edit history of the article to see who reverted your edits, and begin a discussion on the article talk page, or the user talk page of the user involved. 331dot (talk) 11:28, 29 October 2020 (UTC)
Would help if you provide the names of the articles. David notMD (talk) 14:55, 29 October 2020 (UTC)

Director Matt Amato

Hello! My article about Director Matt Amato was denied after much painstaking work :( I would like some advice as I was very careful to follow guidelines with citations, relevant quotes, etc. Can you show me specifics of what you considered inappropriate so I can fix it? Of course, I would like to continue editing until it can be published successfully. Thanks for your guidance in advance! Producer 4.5.92 (talk) 14:06, 29 October 2020 (UTC)

Producer 4.5.92, Draft:Matt Amato is absurdly promotional in tone. I assume that your are a PR professional: such people often find it impossible to write in the neutral, encyclopedic, tone which is required in Wikipedia. (It also contains several direct external links, which are against Wikipedia policy. But that will be much easier to deal with.) Maproom (talk) 14:28, 29 October 2020 (UTC)
I see you have uploaded to Wikimedia Commons a still from one of Amato's works, claiming it as your own work. That's likely to be deleted soon, as a copyright violation. Maproom (talk) 14:35, 29 October 2020 (UTC)
The declining reviewer left specific comments. Also, see your Talk page for requirement to either declare Paid editing or else clearly state that you are not being paid for this effort. Likewise, if you are personally connected to Matt, declare conflict-of-interest. David notMD (talk) 15:01, 29 October 2020 (UTC)

Undo

Please help me enable undo option; which will help me fight vandalism much easier than ever. Thanks Abhishek this side( Say hi!) 14:39, 29 October 2020 (UTC)

@Abhishek Kasaudhan 123: You, like everyone else, should be able to undo edits, and the link you gave tells you how. Sometimes, undoing will not work because there are subsequent edits that make a direct undo impossible, in which you'll have to manually change the text again. ◢  Ganbaruby!  (Say hi!) 15:05, 29 October 2020 (UTC)

Question

please if you no the place where you can on wikipidia please send me the link Habeeb Bello (talk) 17:08, 29 October 2020 (UTC)

This is a place to ask questions, but you have not asked a question. Do you have a question about editing Wikipedia? Robert McClenon (talk) 17:12, 29 October 2020 (UTC)

Furigana

Hello,how do you add furigana To kanji? 178.40.29.168 (talk) 15:50, 29 October 2020 (UTC)

Hello, IP editor, and welcome to the Teahouse. I'm not quite sure if you are asking how information about furigana can be added to the article Kanji, or if you're wondering about the process of adding actual furigana when you are writing kanji. If you are asking about editing the Wikipedia article, you could go to the talk page, Talk:Kanji, and ask your question there. I see that there is already some information about furigana in the article, but if you feel that something important is missing, that's the place to ask about it.
If your question has to do with the process, the Teahouse can't help you with that I'm afraid – this is a place for asking questions about editing Wikipedia. You could try the Reference desk, perhaps. Regards, --bonadea contributions talk 17:18, 29 October 2020 (UTC)

Masen146

 Masen146 (talk) 17:21, 29 October 2020 (UTC)

Hello Masen146. Welcome to the Teahouse. Do you have a question about editing Wikipedia? Regards, --bonadea contributions talk 17:40, 29 October 2020 (UTC)

Question

Please where can i chat on wikipidia Habeeb Bello (talk) 17:00, 29 October 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Habeeb Bello, and welcome to the Teahouse. Discussion about working on Wikipedia or about improving articles, usually takes place on the talk pages of articles, or on project pages like this one. But it is possible to get help via IRC: see WP:IRC (I've never been on it myself). If you are talking about chat for social purposes, then please note that Wikipedia is not social media: it is an encyclopaedia, and all our work here should be mainly focussed on building it. --ColinFine (talk) 17:54, 29 October 2020 (UTC)

Bello Habeeb

is it possiple to edit your username Habeeb Bello (talk) 17:58, 29 October 2020 (UTC)

Habeeb Bello, yes, WP:Changing username is a good place to start. If your rename is straight forward, you can use Special:GlobalRenameRequest, where a volunteer will rename you. — Yours, Berrely • Talk∕Contribs 18:13, 29 October 2020 (UTC)

Cyclone Josie help

Can someone help me on my Cyclone Josie draft? There is a link to it on my user page. CyclonicStormYutu (talk) 14:25, 29 October 2020 (UTC)

What specifically would you like help with? 331dot (talk) 14:26, 29 October 2020 (UTC)

 197.239.94.186 (talk) 14:31, 29 October 2020 (UTC)

I need help editing the lead, Impacts, citing sources, and refs. CyclonicStormYutu (talk) 14:33, 29 October 2020 (UTC)
Courtesy: Draft:Cyclone Josie. Teahouse volunteers provide advice, but are not here to become co-authors. Consider asking editors as Wikipedia:WikiProject Tropical cyclones for help. Also, per User page mention of your fictional work, your Sandbox at Wikipedia is not a place to create fiction. Please copy elsewhere and delete. David notMD (talk) 15:05, 29 October 2020 (UTC)
@David notMD: You said to delete the sandbox. I assume you haven't seen this discussion of it for the MfD: Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/User:CyclonicStormYutu/Sandbox/Hypothetical Tropical Cyclones. CyclonicStormYutu (talk) 17:30, 29 October 2020 (UTC)
Had not seen, and understand situation better. David notMD (talk) 18:21, 29 October 2020 (UTC)

Using an image as a reference

Is it accepted to use a photograph of a document as an article reference? I have several photographs of old newspaper stories, indicating the notability of the article's subject. Will wikipedia accept those as references? Vtranz (talk) 16:58, 29 October 2020 (UTC)

@Vtranz: in the case you describe IMO no, but you can still cite the newspaper. Most of the mayor newspapers have archives. Make sure to include Newspaper name, release date, edition number, page number, article title, and likewsise. Victor Schmidt (talk) 17:47, 29 October 2020 (UTC)
Hi, Vtranz. The important part of a citation is the bibliographic information which will allow a reader to find it even if it is not available on the web - title, date, author, newspaper, page etc. A link is a convenience for the reader, not an essential part of the reference. A picture of the story will often be a copyright infringement anyway, and even if it is not, unless the image is from a reputable publisher, there could be doubt as to its authenticity. --ColinFine (talk) 17:50, 29 October 2020 (UTC)

thank you Victor and Colin. That is very helpful information! much appreciated. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Vtranz (talk • contribs) 18:28, 29 October 2020 (UTC)

Question

how can i add or remove an article Habeeb Bello (talk) 18:27, 29 October 2020 (UTC)

You already got an answer on how to create an article: Help:Your first article. There are several options for deleting an article, including nominating article at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion. Did you have a specific article in mind? David notMD (talk) 18:43, 29 October 2020 (UTC)

Sources?

Hello, I've just got a small question. I recently edited a wikipedia article although it said that the source I gave wasn't a valid source and I was wondering, what can I use for a source when editing something? AestheticAllison2841 19:20, 29 October 2020 (UTC)

AestheticAllison2841, it looks like this was at Goth subculture? —valereee (talk) 19:32, 29 October 2020 (UTC)
That edit was reverted by a bot whose job it is to recognize and remove content added by newer users to sources that are often considered not-reliable. Southpark.fandom.com appears to be a crowdsourced website -- anyone can basically add anything, there's no true editorial oversight? Wikipedia in general does not like to use such sources. We're looking for reliable sources, which you can read more about at WP:Reliable source. If something like this (the appearance of goths in an episode of South Park?) hasn't been mentioned in reliable sources, we often consider it not noteworthy -- that is, not every appearance of a goth character in every TV show is worth mentioning. —valereee (talk) 19:38, 29 October 2020 (UTC)

Oh okay! That makes sense, thank you for your time.

Disambiguation

I submitted my article for review but I saw this message at the bottom of the page Warning: The page Joe Lazarus redirects to Joseph Lazarus. Please ensure it is not a copy or that this page is located to the correct title. How can I fix that? Here's the draft https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Joe_Lazarus

 Donnaocchineri (talk) 10:29, 29 October 2020 (UTC)

Donnaocchineri, that's nothing to worry about. At present, Joe Lazarus is a redirect to Joseph Lazarus. Your draft is about a drummer, the existing article is about a boxer (though the entity that placed the warning didn't realise that). If and when your draft is accepted as an article, it will be up to the accepting reviewer to deal with the redirect and to do any necessary disambiguation between the two subjects. Maproom (talk) 12:01, 29 October 2020 (UTC)
User:Donnaocchrineri - I thank you for being alert and asking a reasonable question about a reasonable notice. The procedure for dealing with multiple articles on different subjects with the same or similar names is known as Disambiguation. (It appears that you knew that, because that is the title that you gave to this thread.) In this case, I have disambiguated your draft to Draft:Joe Lazarus (musician). I have also added a note that, if it is accepted, a hatnote should be added at the top of the page for the boxer. Robert McClenon (talk) 17:05, 29 October 2020 (UTC)

Thanks to both of you for your help and answers Donnaocchineri (talk) 19:52, 29 October 2020 (UTC)

Deleting instead of fixing

How common is it for wiki editors to delete things instead of fixing them? I have been looking at some edit histories, and it seems to be very prevalent. This seems like a very callous, lazy way to go about editing...looking for edits that need a little work and deleting them instead of fixing them. Are there any rules against this? It seems like this could easily be used as a form of censorship and there should be clear rules against it. I added some very important information to an article and it was removed quickly, but only needed a quick improvement to make it work. I find this very disheartening, as I found this edit to be very substantial and it was my first edit. Covidtonthemurderhornet (talk) 17:01, 29 October 2020 (UTC)

User:Covidtonthemurderhornet It appears that you have a content dispute about John Ioannidis. You should discuss it with the other editor at Talk:John Ioannidis. Robert McClenon (talk) 17:08, 29 October 2020 (UTC)
It appears that the other editor explained their revert on the article talk page. I suggest that you reply to them there. Robert McClenon (talk) 17:11, 29 October 2020 (UTC)
i have a beginner question regarding wikipedia in general as well, in case you didn't notice....am i misunderstanding the purpose of this Teahouse section? Covidtonthemurderhornet (talk) 17:23, 29 October 2020 (UTC)
Hi Covidtonthemurderhornet. Don't be disheartened, sometimes editors communicate through making changes and providing concise edit summaries rather than direct discussion. I know this seems impersonal and blunt but it's the most efficient way of doings things. It seems from looking at the page revisions that the other editor kindly helped your edits conform to Manual of Style guidelines on a few prior occasions, rather than reverting them wholesale. It's our responsibility as editors to make sure our edits are correct, we can't expect other editors to fix them for us, even though they sometimes might. Zindor (talk) 17:31, 29 October 2020 (UTC)
You aren't necessarily misunderstanding. The purpose of Teahouse is to help new editors figure out how to edit Wikipedia. When we're asked about how to handle a content dispute, often our answer is, "Discuss it with the other editor at the article talk page." Teahouse doesn't actually try to intervene in content disputes.
However, your first question wasn't answered. "How common is it for editors to delete instead of fixing?" Well, it depends on a lot of things. We remove anything that isn't adequately sourced, especially if it's potentially libelous to a living person. We remove anything that is sourced to something that doesn't look reliable. In this case, I see your addition was sourced to biospace.com, which I haven't heard of, but which appears to be a news aggregator and job posting site. In general we wouldn't consider that a reliable source.
But again, the answer is going to be: go back to the article talk and discuss this with the other editor. —valereee (talk) 18:03, 29 October 2020 (UTC)

And you made a common beginner's error: changing content in the Lead without first incorporating it into the body of the article. After the revert, you took the appropriate steps, and the content is now in the article and the Lead. Separate issue: Edit summaries are for brief descriptions of the changes made to the article. Anything about why the changes were made belongs in Talk, especially if related to discussing actions of another editor. David notMD (talk) 18:39, 29 October 2020 (UTC)

thank you very much to everyone! i feel much better about editing now Covidtonthemurderhornet (talk) 20:25, 29 October 2020 (UTC)

Writing about living Dutch artist

Hey there! I am writing about a living Dutch artist and I was just wondering if quoting printed newspapers, exhibitions catalogues and art magazines (written by curators and art galleries) is consider to be reliable reference? She produced a lot of work before 2000s and there're few online version of these documents since most of them are not digitalised. How can I solve this? Thanks! Elisadesapinto (talk) 19:16, 29 October 2020 (UTC)

@Elisadesapinto: in general, printed sources are perfectly acceptable. Wikipedia:Verifiability#What_counts_as_a_reliable_source may also be of inteerest. Please add at least the name, ISBN (for books) DOI numbers (mainly acedemic works) or newspaper names and edition (for newspapers) respecitvely. Page numbers would also be a good idea. In general, try to add as much information to the references as you have. Victor Schmidt (talk) 20:30, 29 October 2020 (UTC)

Replacing example image

This note was added to my draft: This draft may require cleanup to meet Wikipedia's quality standards. The specific problem is: Remove or replace example image Please help improve this draft if you can; the talk page may contain suggestions. I tried deleting the image but it seems like the only possibility is to replace it, which I'm not ready to do yet. How can I simply delete the photograph without uploading another one? Here's my draft https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Joe_Lazarus_(musician) Thanks in advance for your help. Donnaocchineri (talk) 20:10, 29 October 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Donnaocchineri. I removed the example image, whose Wiki markup appeared as: [[File:Example.jpg|thumb|This is the caption for the image.]].
I also removed the message.--Quisqualis (talk) 20:24, 29 October 2020 (UTC)

Thanks a lot! Donnaocchineri (talk) 20:31, 29 October 2020 (UTC)

Johnny's disk

Hello, i am a noob and i am seeking help for a page about japanese jazz label johnny's disk. i have created a draft but as ai am a noob... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Johnny's_disk

thank you very much for help Cluster2600 (talk) 16:19, 29 October 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Cluster2600. I'm afraid my advice to new editors thinking of creating an article is always "don't even think of it until you've spent a few weeks or months working on improving some of our tens of thousands of existing substandard articles and learning how Wikipedia works". Otherwise it's like going to your first French lesson and then trying to do a podcast in French.
The most obvious problem with your draft is that you have no independent sources. In an article about Johnny's Disk, Wikipedia is basically not interested in anything that Johnny's disk say, have published, or want to say. It is only interested in what several people who have no connection with the label, and have not been prompted or provided with information by the label, have chosen to publish about the label in reliable sources. If you cannot find such sources, then the label does not meet Wikipedia's criteria for notability and no article on them will be accepted. This means that if you don't begin by finding those sources, then all work you do on the article is liable to be wasted. Have a look at your first article for more. --ColinFine (talk) 17:47, 29 October 2020 (UTC)

Hello, thank you for the advice, but the analogy was wrong as i am a native french speaker... Cluster2600 (talk) 21:18, 29 October 2020 (UTC)

History of a move

Wondering about the history of a page move by Rigley almost 10 years ago [5]. (The editor seems presently inactive.) I ask after reediting some serious POV issues/mass deletions at Kirti Monastery by the same editor. I'm wondering if the editor posted a request, since the move would have been controversial, or if the editor just moved without CON. I'm trying to return the page to its previous name, and if the move wasn't per agreement, the process might be easier. Thanks for the attention to the topic! Pasdecomplot (talk) 22:09, 29 October 2020 (UTC)

I don't think that you need to search. Even if the the move followed a proposal and agreement to the proposal, this would have been a decade ago. A decade is sufficient for new (non-sock/meat-puppet) editors, new insights and perspectives and of course new events. So I suggest that you propose retitling afresh, on the article's talk page. (Pinging Rigley that you're doing this would be a courtesy.) -- Hoary (talk) 23:16, 29 October 2020 (UTC)
Thanks. Rigley's inactive btw. Got it under control, no worries. Appreciate the advice!

Cn span

How do you add/remove a citation span? I've been seeing that template from other articles. Thankyou Apollogone (talk) 04:50, 26 October 2020 (UTC)

Apollogone, are you referring to Template:Citation needed span, which is a less-used alternative to the more common Template:Citation needed? For both, you can just delete it once you've added a citation, although for the span template, you need to be a little more careful with the code. {{u|Sdkb}} talk 06:38, 26 October 2020 (UTC)
(edit conflict) Hi Apollogone. You can find some information on this kind of thing in Template:Citation needed span. -- Marchjuly (talk) 06:41, 26 October 2020 (UTC)
@Apollogone: The key with the span template is to be sure not to remove the statement that is wrapped with it. E.g., In:
{{Cn-span|date=October 2020|text=This is the statement.}}
you remove the red and add the purple, changing it to:
This is the statement.<ref>{{Cite ...}}</ref>
I hope this helps. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 21:16, 26 October 2020 (UTC)
@AlanM1: This is great thank you. I'm still familiarizing myself with the templates because there's alot. Btw, would there be any reason why I shouldn't remove the statement wrapped with a span? Apollogone (talk) 09:43, 27 October 2020 (UTC)
Hey thanks to all who enlghtened me. Sure is a help! Apollogone (talk) 09:40, 27 October 2020 (UTC)
@Apollogone: The reason is that statement is rendered as part of the article. The purpose of the template is to mark that statement as needing a cite. So, the point of this is, when you find a citation for the statement, you remove the template and add the cite. If you can't find a cite, the advice at Template:Citation needed/doc#How to respond to this tag is Except for contentious claims about living people, which should be immediately removed if not cited, there is no specific deadline for providing citations. Please do not delete information that you believe is correct solely because no one has provided a citation within an arbitrary time limit. If there is some uncertainty about its accuracy, most editors are willing to wait at least a month to see whether a citation can be provided. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 20:56, 27 October 2020 (UTC)
@AlanM1: This is great, thanks for the important information. Apollogone (talk) 04:45, 30 October 2020 (UTC)

G’day

Just wondering if I am able to upload a game logo and use it for an userbox, or if this is against the image upload policy. Thanks in advance :) Phrotonz (talk) 01:50, 29 October 2020 (UTC)

@Phrotonz: See WP:LOGOS. ◢  Ganbaruby!  (Say hi!) 02:11, 29 October 2020 (UTC)
@Phrotonz: Specifically, Wikipedia:Logos#Placement, which says ... Non-free logos are also not allowed to be placed in drafts, user sandboxes, or any other page that isn't in the article namespace. (i.e., do not use them in userboxes). —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 05:21, 30 October 2020 (UTC)

Splitting a Page - When and How

I have been adding to this page https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Art_Deco_buildings_in_Perth for a while now and it is getting bigger and bigger. Am wondering of the merits of perhaps creating more linked smaller pages - maybe by category? Any other suggestions? How Would do I actually implement a split? Anyone want to give me a hand setting it up please? PerthDeco (talk) 03:21, 29 October 2020 (UTC)

@PerthDeco: At a size of roughly 20kb ([6]), it isn't big enough of a page to be split on the basis of size. There aren't distinctly different topics on that page either. Overall I don't think a split is needed, but if you still think so, the relevant guideline is at WP:SPLIT, and the procedure on how to do so is further down the page. Do not split the page without consensus! ◢  Ganbaruby!  (Say hi!) 04:04, 29 October 2020 (UTC)
@Ganbaruby: Thank you I appreciate your feedback - was just thinking in terms of most people using their phones for info these days then this page becomes a very long scroll. Will leave it for a few more months and see how it develops. Cheers PerthDeco (talk) 03:02, 30 October 2020 (UTC)
@PerthDeco: The page is divided into 14 sections, which display one section at a time, no? Opening a section is much faster than having to tap a link and load another page. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 05:27, 30 October 2020 (UTC)

Ryan Jayathunga

Why didn't publish my post ? CeylonSky228 (talk) 05:58, 30 October 2020 (UTC)

@CeylonSky228: See the large pink box at the top of Draft:Ryan Padula Jayathunga. You did not provide any sources to demonstrate notability or allow editors to verify the statements in the draft. See the links in that message for what sources are, why we need them, and how to reference them. I see that you add a speedy-delete tag, which you don't have to do in order to fix the article (assuming you can find the necessary sources). You're free to continue working on the article and re-submit it once the problems are corrected. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 06:21, 30 October 2020 (UTC)

Follow-up to How do I create second article?

Hi, I have submitted a second article,but I haven't received any notification if that is submitted and has been considered as opposed to during the submission of the first one. Is there something wrong or am I missing anything? Regards. Also, I would like to thank @Usedtobecool for previous help.  51moont (talk) 06:58, 30 October 2020 (UTC)

If you mean User:51moont/sandbox, then move this, or ask somebody to move it, to Draft:Sunanda Sharma. But it's probably a good idea to improve it first. I note in particular "The musical journey reached another milestone when Girija Devi took Sharma under her wings [...]". Within that, "The musical journey reached another milestone when" is near-meaningless fluff; and for one person to "[take another] under her wings" is a somewhat tired metaphor for ... I don't know what, really. (Perhaps "Girija Devi started to give singing lessons to Sharma"?) -- Hoary (talk) 07:47, 30 October 2020 (UTC)
(ec)Hi 51moont. You have not submitted User:51moont/sandbox. I have added a Submit button to the top; you can use it to submit your draft. —teb728 t c 07:49, 30 October 2020 (UTC)

a page that I can add everything myself

How do I add a page on Wikipedia? Like a page that I can add everything myself. Gultekinzeynep06 (talk) 05:01, 30 October 2020 (UTC)

If you want to add a new article, please read WP:YFA. If you want a page that only you can edit, this is not possible in Wikipedia. -- Hoary (talk) 05:18, 30 October 2020 (UTC)
@Gultekinzeynep06, hello & welcome, your question comes across as vague, hypothetically speaking, what type of article would you want to create? Is it on a person or an organization/company? If you are more specific, it helps us to help/guide you better. Celestina007 (talk) 08:11, 30 October 2020 (UTC)

Need Help

Hello There Hosts! I recently created an article Draft:Rohan Solomon which clearly meets the wp:gng criteria as it does have Independent Reliable Sources to it, But it got rejected by a reviewer stating This draft does not appear to indicate which of the musical notability criteria is satisfied. If at least one of the criteria is satisfied, please revise this draft appropriately, with a reliable source, if necessary stating on the talk page which criterion is met, and resubmit. But as I see that it is meeting the GNG criteria clearly, but I am not sure if its enough or not to qualify as The reviewer must have seen the links cited, It would be great if someone can guide me (if the draft is missing the major thing which isn't allowing it to pass the musical notability criteria. Thanks Dtt1Talk 07:44, 28 October 2020 (UTC)

Dtt1, it looks like there are 14 sources in that draft currently. Could you provide us with the three you think best establish Solomon's notability? {{u|Sdkb}} talk 07:59, 28 October 2020 (UTC)
Sdkb Yes sure, The best three sources are-
The first and third of those are based on interviews with Solomon, and so don't qualify as independent. The second is a listing, with no discussion. What Wikipedia needs to establish notability is several reliable independent sources with in-depth discussion of the subject. Maproom (talk) 09:40, 28 October 2020 (UTC)
Maproom please check This This, This and This Dtt1Talk 06:56, 30 October 2020 (UTC)
No, no, no and no. The first three are based on what Solomon said, and so not independent; the fourth says he hosted a party, but has no discussion of him. Maproom (talk) 08:59, 30 October 2020 (UTC)

Question

How do i add a page on wikipidia Habeeb Bello (talk) 17:51, 29 October 2020 (UTC)

Habeeb Bello, please read Help:Your first article. — Yours, Berrely • Talk∕Contribs 17:55, 29 October 2020 (UTC)
(edit conflict) Hello again, Habeeb Bello. Please see my answer to the question #Johnny's disk a few items further up the page. --ColinFine (talk) 17:57, 29 October 2020 (UTC)
Hello Habeeb Bello! Assuming you want to create an article, first make sure you have sources that shows your topic is WP:NOTABLE, otherwise it's a waste of time. If you have that, read Help:Your first article carefully. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 17:57, 29 October 2020 (UTC)
@ColinFine & Gråbergs Gråa Sång, I think i have assumed good faith enough, they appear to have asked this same question twice before & have had their question answered accordingly. This right here is a major concern for me & appears to be a major tale sign of trolling, if I am to AGF, I’d say this might be a very young editor. Celestina007 (talk) 08:19, 30 October 2020 (UTC)
That does look like trolling, I see bonadea mentioned it: [7]. We'll see what happens. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 09:34, 30 October 2020 (UTC)

Manoj Lekhi

Page Name: Draft:MANOJ LEKHI

I had made a page on Manoj Lekhi but it declined for for speedy deletion. I tried removing things which were unnecessary or unwanted but yet there's one more rejection on same topic.

I am a first timer in writing Article and dont really know how and what exactly to write.

I am not very good at technical.

I need help in making the article and uploading on Wikipedia BhoodeviT (talk) 06:19, 30 October 2020 (UTC)

I quote:
As far as marriage goes, Manojji and his wife NINA are happily married for the last 32 years, they got married in the year 1988. Manojji and his wife have the most beautiful relationship that one can dream of- a very happy, friendly and most romantic in every aspect, with the blessings of his Guruji.
If you really don't know how this (as just one example) is unsuitable for an encyclopedia article, then perhaps Wikipedia and you are ill-suited for each other. -- Hoary (talk) 06:46, 30 October 2020 (UTC)
Please see the helpful messages on your talk page.--Shantavira|feed me 09:43, 30 October 2020 (UTC)

Translate

Hi! Can I translate english or russian articles (from wikipedia) in romanian, or I should use other source and write original articles? Theofilact (talk) 11:07, 30 October 2020 (UTC)

Theofilact, interwiki translation is allowed. GeraldWL 11:09, 30 October 2020 (UTC)
Also, each language Wikipedia has its own standards for what are considered reliable source references, so an article accepted in one language may be declined in another unless the references situation is addressed. David notMD (talk) 12:17, 30 October 2020 (UTC)

Regarding francisca luhong james

Francisca luhong james is not chinese malaysian why is her bio on google search says so. Can someone change it to kayan iban Feelforyou (talk) 08:54, 30 October 2020 (UTC)

Feelforyou, Wikipedia's article on Francisca James says she is "kayan-kenyah iban (sarawakian native)". It does not use the word "Chinese". Her bio on Google search says she is Chinese because Google got it wrong. This often happens, and is not Wikipedia's fault. Maproom (talk) 09:29, 30 October 2020 (UTC)
Feelforyou, Maproom Actually, the Wikipedia article DOES say she's Chinese-Malaysian, in the section on her Early life and career. AND the Google blurb in question actually cites Wikipedia. I have absolutely no idea about--or even any interest in--the truth of any of this. But I would point out that a person's ethnicity and where they happen to be a native of are two different things. So as I read this, both statements could very well be true. Uporządnicki (talk) 12:44, 30 October 2020 (UTC)
It does now. When I looked at it, it didn't even have an "Early life and career" section. There's been a lot of edits to it in the last three hours. Maproom (talk) 12:56, 30 October 2020 (UTC)

What happens next after I publish an article from my sandbox?

I am new to this. I wrote an article for a grapevine "St. Vincent" and pushed the PUBLISH buttom when I was finished, but I do not know what happens next. Is there something else I need to do, or will someone contact me later? Please help. Thanks.

Lucian Dressel Walt500 (talk) 13:04, 30 October 2020 (UTC)

@Walt500: Think of the "Publish" button as more of a save button - it saves your current content to a "file", called User:Walt500/sandbox in your case. It's not actually a Wikipedia article yet, but a draft article. I've added a button to the top so you can submit it when you're ready, and a volunteer will check to see if it's up to Wikipedia's quality standards. ◢  Ganbaruby!  (Say hi!) 13:11, 30 October 2020 (UTC)
(edit conflict) Welcome to the Teahouse, Walt500. Your sandbox is purely a place for you to experiment or work on content. The 'Publish changes' button simply means that your sandbox edits are now available online at User:Walt500/sandbox. Nothing else happens to it unless you submit it for review, in which case it will be assessed and feedback supplied if it fails to meet our Notability criteria. I fear this is currently the case here. Yes, you've supplied sources to show that the grape variety you discover exists and has been registered, but we would need more independent sources to show that the world has taken notice of this particular variety, and written about it in detail and in depth ( a book or two on wines and wine production, for example) See Reliable Sources for an explanation of this. You also have a clear conflict of interest in wanting to promote your product here, so you should declare that on your userpage by following the guidance at This page about Conflict of Interest. See 'Your First Article' for advice on submitting articles for review. Nick Moyes (talk) 13:16, 30 October 2020 (UTC) 

A message from Shadowblade08

Recently I modified some of the internal links in the article

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_rivers_of_South_Dakota

Could someone check them and make sure that I didn't do something wrong? Cheers, Shadowblade08 (talk) 00:14, 30 October 2020 (UTC)

Hi Shadowblade08, it's a minor issue but often red-links should be left in place. Please read Wikipedia:REDDEAL to see if it applies to your edit. Zindor (talk) 00:30, 30 October 2020 (UTC)
Here's a tip for hyperlinks! I'll use door as an example.
[[Door]] will show Door.
To use another version:
[[Door (Every Little Thing album)]] will show Door (Every Little Thing album).
To be specific on the album, but you want it to show as door in the article, write the exact name of the article you want to link to, then use the | character, and then write what you want the article to show, like this:
[[Door (Every Little Thing album)|Door]] will show up as Door.
Le Panini (Talk tome?) 02:46, 30 October 2020 (UTC)
@Le Panini and Shadowblade08: Note that there is also a simpler version, called a "pipe trick". It doesn't work in edit summaries, within <ref> tags, or links to sections, but works most anywhere else, including article text. Instead of [[Door (Every Little Thing album)|Door]], you can just use [[Door (Every Little Thing album)|]] (i.e., with nothing between the pipe and cloing brackets), which strips most disambguators, like parentheticals. See WP:PIPETRICK for details. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 06:13, 30 October 2020 (UTC)
Le Panini, Thanks for the tips. Shadowblade08 (talk) 14:01, 30 October 2020 (UTC)
Alan M1, Thanks for the help as well. Cheers! Shadowblade08 (talk) 14:02, 30 October 2020 (UTC)

Death notice question

Good day, I have just updated my friend Anita Stewart’s biographical entry, (she passed on yesterday. ) but there is still a message indicating “this is a living person, proper citations are required.” How can this be removed please? I appreciate your time. Ben, Elora, Canada Elora10 (talk) 14:01, 30 October 2020 (UTC)

 Courtesy link: Anita Stewart (culinary author) TimTempleton (talk) (cont) 14:20, 30 October 2020 (UTC)
Elora10, I'm sorry for your loss. Strange though it may seem, the policy WP:Biographies of living persons still applies, see WP:BDP. Also, because this is WP, we don't like it when an article says someone is dead without having a reliable source (as defined by WP, WP:RS) to cite for the fact. If you know of a published obituary or similar, that would help. As would more WP:RS about Anita Stewart, since those are lacking in the article. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 14:21, 30 October 2020 (UTC)
Elora10 Sorry for your loss. I did a quick search and saw the condolences on social media but could not find an official source yet. We will just have to wait until an obituary is published which should be shortly. TimTempleton (talk) (cont) 14:29, 30 October 2020 (UTC)

Appropriate use of WikiProject in Talk pages?

Could anyone explain why both Meat and Animal_source_foods include Wikipedia:WikiProject_Veganism_and_Vegetarianism in their talk pages even though they are from opposite topics? Heatxiddy (talk) 14:29, 30 October 2020 (UTC) Heatxiddy (talk) 14:29, 30 October 2020 (UTC)

Heatxiddy, taking meat, at a guess, it's an article at least some of the members of Wikipedia:WikiProject_Veganism_and_Vegetarianism feels is connected to their Wikiproject. Ctrl-f vegetarian at meat and see what you find. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 15:09, 30 October 2020 (UTC)
Heatxiddy is a banned sock-puppet. I have been following his socks on Wikipedia for over a year so I know his editing interests very well. I just filed a recent SPI [8] Psychologist Guy (talk) 16:05, 30 October 2020 (UTC)

Edit a page and add Picture

I am trying to edit an exiting page add a picture but It isn't letting me do that. It my picture and no copyright issues? how do i go about it? Vuakan (talk) 17:06, 30 October 2020 (UTC)

Vuakan, Have you uploaded the image on the English Wikipedia or Commons? And what is the article where you are trying to add the image? If you are the sole copyright owner of the image, there won't be any issues. Thank you! ─ The Aafī (talk) 17:13, 30 October 2020 (UTC)

Hi. How i can remove place name from map. For example, my village anme has changed , so i want to change in Google Earth accordingly.

 IsAAZ (talk) 17:14, 30 October 2020 (UTC)

Ask Google. We have absolutely no control over Google Earth. —A little blue Bori v^_^v Takes a strong man to deny... 17:16, 30 October 2020 (UTC)

Continued Problems with Wikipedia Adventure

I am still have problems with the Wikipedia Adventure and I don't know what I can do to try and fix it or get it to work. I've tried purging the page when it got to the editor but that only worked for the first 2 missions and once I got to the 3rd mission it simply made the textboxes that had already come up reappear. Also, when i go into the editor the textbox that tells me to open the editor remains open which prevents me from progressing further. Blaze Wolf &#124 Proud Furry and Wikipedia Editor (talk) 16:59, 30 October 2020 (UTC)

Thread about this further up down the page Zindor (talk) 17:35, 30 October 2020 (UTC)
Archived.— Vchimpanzee • talk • contributions • 20:33, 2 September 2022 (UTC)

Fixing errors

Hello, I have just read the William Albany McKenzie article and it contains errors. For example he died at Sir Charles Gairdner Hospital, Nedlands not in Attadale. He wasn't a pharmacist, he was the General Manager of the Friendly Societies Pharmacies. How can this be amended, please? 101.187.154.165 (talk) 11:57, 30 October 2020 (UTC)

You can make an edit request at the article talkpage. Make sure that you have a reliable source. Victor Schmidt (talk) 12:28, 30 October 2020 (UTC)
Or you can change the article yourself. Click on Edit at the top, make changes, click on Publish changes at the bottom. Reference needed for where he died. The article does not actually state that he was a pharmacist. David notMD (talk) 17:58, 30 October 2020 (UTC)

Colour vs Color

Hi! The title itself is pretty much self-explanatory, but should I revert articles written in British English to American English or keep the article as it is? I can't find anywhere in the Manual of Style that gives guidelines! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Eggybonk11 (talk • contribs) 20:32, 29 October 2020 (UTC)

See WP:ENGVAR. TL;DR: keep it in the language it was written in, whether American, British, Indian, or Australian English. —A little blue Bori v^_^v Takes a strong man to deny... 20:34, 29 October 2020 (UTC)
Good to know, I've almost made that mistake before... though I didn't know it was a mistake then. Shadowblade08 (talk) 00:16, 30 October 2020 (UTC)

Thank you!! (Timmy (talk) 18:41, 30 October 2020 (UTC))

Problem with The Wikipedia Adventure

I'm having a problem with the wikipedia adventure. Whenever it tells me to edit something I go into the editor and then I can't proceed any further in that chapter. The message telling me to click on Edit Source remains and doesn't leave. What do I do? Blaze Wolf &#124 Proud Furry and Wikipedia Editor (talk) 20:05, 29 October 2020 (UTC)

Hi Blaze The Wolf, welcome to the Teahouse. It's difficult to say what might be causing the issue. Next time this issue occurs perhaps try bypassing your cache or failing that purge the page. Sometimes trying a different browser could be the solution. If the problem persists and we can't figure this out, let me know and i'll help you file a detailed phabricator request to get it fixed. Zindor (talk) 23:24, 29 October 2020 (UTC)
Yes, the exact same thing happened to me. I've actually never finished the whole adventure. I made it a little bit further by going into the Custom Skins (in the "Beta" section) and changing it to the default setting. Maybe that will work for you for the entire game. (it didn't for me though) Please alert me when you figure out. Cheers, Shadowblade08 (talk) 00:23, 30 October 2020 (UTC)
Thanks for the advice. I tested the adventure earlier and had some rendering problems (albeit different than described above). I'd welcome others to add their experiences to this thread so the devs know how to improve the experience for new editors. Zindor (talk) 00:39, 30 October 2020 (UTC)
So I tried purging the page whenever it got to editing and it got me as far as Mission 3 before that stopped being effective. What do I do now? Blaze Wolf &#124 Proud Furry and Wikipedia Editor (talk) 14:02, 30 October 2020 (UTC)
PS, I'm on a chromebook so I don't know what the key combination to bypass cache is. (I have no command key or F1-F12 keys)
Yes, well whatever happens, be sure to let me know, cause I really enjoyed doing it. Cheers! Shadowblade08 (talk) 14:05, 30 October 2020 (UTC)
@Blaze The Wolf: For Chromebook, I found this. Simply hit CTRL SHIFT Backspace and your Clear Browsing Data menu will appear. If you simply unselect everything apart from Cached images and files, select your timeframe from the drop down (I just select ‘the beginning of time’), and hit Clear Browsing Data, you will be good to go. Just return to your browser and hit refresh and you’ll see a non-cached version. TimTempleton (talk) (cont) 14:14, 30 October 2020 (UTC)
Ok. I've tried this when I was doing the WIkipedia mission but it didn't seem to do anything for some reason. But I do think this bug should be investigated and fixed as it's rather annoying and problematic for new Wikipedia users. Blaze Wolf &#124 Proud Furry and Wikipedia Editor (talk) 14:20, 30 October 2020 (UTC)
I've seen that there were problems with the new wikitext editor beta being a problem but i disabled it and it doesn't seem to solve anything so I think that Wikipedia Adventure is broken. What do I do about this as no one seems to be fixing it. Blaze Wolf &#124 Proud Furry and Wikipedia Editor (talk) 16:55, 30 October 2020 (UTC)
Blaze The Wolf. It's possible to file a bug report. They'll need to know what version of Google Chrome you are using, what mediawiki skin (default is Vector), and very specifically what the problem is. If Shadowblade08 can provide the same information, that will help too. I'll be around later to help with this Zindor (talk) 17:12, 30 October 2020 (UTC)
Alright thank you. I have submitted a bug report and did my best to be very clear on what my problem is. I gave them my current chrome version and wikipedia skin noting that I was using the legacy version of the default skin. Again, thank you very much for attempting to help me Zindor. Blaze Wolf &#124 Proud Furry and Wikipedia Editor (talk) 17:30, 30 October 2020 (UTC)
I'm going to ping the creator Ocaasi too, as i'm now not sure whether this is within the scope of the WMF devs or not. Thanks Zindor (talk) 17:33, 30 October 2020 (UTC)
Comment: I'm minded to suggest that everyone who wants to sign up as a Teahouse Host here should have to first undertake and complete WP:TWA so that we are all familiar with it, and possibly experience some of the problems that still seems to dog it. The fact that so many people now have mobiles, yet it isn't designed to be very functional on smaller devices, tablets or for anyone using |Visual Editor, suggests some major investment in time and resources is needed to fix the reported issues we hear about. Nick Moyes (talk) 17:49, 30 October 2020 (UTC)
Nick Moyes, i very much agree. I wish i'd looked at it sooner than last night. The WMF is looking for suggestions at the moment about sustainability etc as part of the Movement Strategy. I think a set of suggestions from the Teahouse could be beneficial. Zindor (talk) 18:08, 30 October 2020 (UTC)
To be more accurate we have to have a discussion amongst ourselves about Teahouse priorities and how we think the WMF can help us. There was a notification about this 'prioritization phase' over at WikiProject India but i can't see one in the talk archives here, which is surprising given that i'd consider this a project and one positioned very centrally. There's one day left in this phase. Any thoughts? Is it worth starting a talk page discussion about this and trying to get involved with this WMF process? I'm always suspicious of anything WMF-related, but it seems like a good opportunity. Zindor (talk) 18:35, 30 October 2020 (UTC)
@Zindor: I wasn't aware of any timescale and priorities, but am rather busy today. So, yes, please start a succinct discussion at the Teahouse. I would say that getting WP:TWA working well is critical for editor retention, just as is getting welcome templates and help pages working efficiently. Must rush. Nick Moyes (talk) 18:54, 30 October 2020 (UTC)

Article submission

Hello. My article submission for the Glam Graham page was declined due to copyrighted material not being allowed and I would like to know exactly which material got the submission declined. I posted it just like the other musical artist pages...at least I thought I did. Can someone tell me what I did wrong so I can edit it please? It took me too much time to make the page to have to start all over again. Thanks. Glam Graham (talk) 15:50, 30 October 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Glam Graham, and welcome to the Teahouse. (I'm assuming that you are Graham yourself: if you are not, you must immediately change your username to something which is not impersonating somebody). I'm afraid that, like many people, you have a misunderstanding of what Wikipedia is. It is not a site for promotion (read: telling people about something): it is an encyclopaedia, which contains neutrally-written summaries of what has already been published about notable subjects. An article about you will not belong to you, will not be under your control, will not necessarily say what you want it to say, and should contain almost no information which comes from you: it should be almost entirely based on what people who have no connection with you (and have not been prompted or fed information on behalf of you) have published about you. Since writing an article about yourself, or somebody you are associated with, will require you to find these sources, and then forget everything you know about yourself and write just from these independent sources, it is extremely difficult to pull off, and strongly discouraged. --ColinFine (talk) 19:01, 30 October 2020 (UTC)

Map

Can we change a School's Wikipedia page location. Kritish Mohapatra (talk) 18:27, 30 October 2020 (UTC)

Hello, you asked this at the help desk; please use only one method of seeking assistance at a time, to avoid duplication of effort. 331dot (talk) 18:37, 30 October 2020 (UTC)

 Hello23223 (talk) 19:02, 30 October 2020 (UTC)

Edit request for MediaWiki:Uctop/nl

This needs an administrator, but I have no clue where to actually ask for an administrator to handle this. All the boards I could find where for incidents or urgent.

The message MediaWiki:uctop/nl has redundant parentheses: compare laatste wijziging to current. As a result, it shows up with double parentheses on pages such as Special:Contributions. Can an administrator please remove the redundant parentheses? Thank you. —Mainframe98 talk 16:30, 30 October 2020 (UTC)

@Mainframe98: I suggest using an edit request (follow this link for a prefilled one on the talk page). That probably isn't a highly trafficked talk page, though, so you could probably post on WP:VPM if no one sees it in a few days. Thanks for noticing that! -- a lad insane (channel two) 19:23, 30 October 2020 (UTC)
@A lad insane: Thanks. I'll do that! —Mainframe98 talk 19:35, 30 October 2020 (UTC)

Defining and birth place, which has precedent?

Based on Wikipedia:Defining, if a person was born in their home country, say the United Kingdom, and they moved when they were a child to a different country, like the United States. Do we still list them under the defining category of People from the United Kingdom since that was their birth place or do we ignore it altogether and list only where they spent the majority of their life (i.e. the United States) since that has the most significance in their life? Thanks! Snickers2686 (talk) 19:44, 29 October 2020 (UTC)

Greetings, Snickers2686. I would say that it really depends how reliable sources refer to that person. Per the guideline you listed, a defining characteristic is one that reliable sources commonly and consistently define the subject as having—such as nationality or notable profession (emphasis in original). If their British ancestry is not well known and is rarely mentioned in reliable sources, we should probably not use that category for them at all. If sources do regularly refer to their British heritage, it may make sense to put them in a category such as Category:American people of British descent‎ or one of its subcategories. I hope this helps, and if anyone else has anything to add, please do. CThomas3 (talk) 22:05, 30 October 2020 (UTC)

Article help

Could I get some help fixing an article I found? I've attempted adding a template but couldn't figure out how to do it properly. I will provide a link to it if you can help me out. Blaze Wolf &#124 Proud Furry and Wikipedia Editor (talk) 23:08, 30 October 2020 (UTC)

 Courtesy link: Adolf Miesz looks OK now TimTempleton (talk) (cont) 23:53, 30 October 2020 (UTC)
That's good. IT still needs to be fixed though. Also needs more info. Blaze Wolf &#124 Proud Furry and Wikipedia Editor (talk) 23:56, 30 October 2020 (UTC)

Twinkle

How to revert someone's edits; I mean how can I revert someone's edits which appear disruptive? And How to use and enable Twinkle to my account.  Abhishek Kasaudhan 123 ( talk) 08:22, 27 October 2020 (UTC)

How to revert someone's edits: Help:Reverting. You can enable Twinkle in your Preferences, section "Gadgets". Victor Schmidt (talk) 09:24, 27 October 2020 (UTC)
@Abhishek Kasaudhan 123: Remember to include a good edit summary when you revert someone! For Twinkle, if you don't revert for vandalism, the gadget will have a pop-up asking for your edit summary. ◢  Ganbaruby!  (Say hi!) 11:42, 27 October 2020 (UTC)
Hi there; I'm still a bit confused about one thing that sometimes while reverting someone's edits, I saw people mentioning something like this, "Undid revision 95836362 by XYZ." So, do they manage to it manually/on their own; or some special tools help them. In addition to, if there are such tools, then how can I enable them to my account and use them for reverting disruptive edits? Abhishek Kasaudhan 123 ( talk) 13:16, 27 October 2020 (UTC)
@Abhishek Kasaudhan 123: When you look at the "View history" tab of an article to see the edit history, each edit has an "undo" link at the end. See WP:UNDO. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 22:58, 27 October 2020 (UTC)
Hey there; I can't find the undo option anywhere! Or maybe its not being enabled to my account; if it is so, I would love to see the procedure of unlocking it. Please help me through out this. Thanks Abhishek Kasaudhan 123 ( talk) 11:46, 28 October 2020 (UTC)
@Abhishek Kasaudhan 123: Look at Special:PageHistory/Shalu railway station. The latest entry shows:
  •  ... (Adding short description: "Railway station ...) (undo | thank)
—[AlanM1 (talk)]— 00:33, 31 October 2020 (UTC)

Standards for Stopping (user control of) Animation/Videos

I came across a page on the two body problem that has an animation up at the top. There is no way to stop the animation from moving. I find this very distracting and it makes it difficult for me to read the article. I realize that different people concentrate differently but I know many people such as me who find this type of animation very distracting. Also, the information that the animation conveys is communicated after a few seconds of animation so having it continue adds nothing to understanding the article. More importantly, from my work in professional web development the accepted best practice for accessibility and usability is that any video/animation should either stop after a certain amount of time or contain a control so the user can stop/start it. I remember having this debate many years ago regarding another page and I found a Wikipedia standard on animations/video that supported my position but I looked now and couldn't find it. Does anyone know where I can find the current recommended standard on this? Thanks in advance. --MadScientistX11 (talk) 16:41, 30 October 2020 (UTC) MadScientistX11 (talk) 16:41, 30 October 2020 (UTC)

@MadScientistX11: Me too. I'd like to see a global preference that would disable all animation by default and allow readers to enable it as needed when viewing the page. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 23:59, 30 October 2020 (UTC)
@MadScientistX11: Likewise. I find them utterly distracting, and reminiscent of those awful websites in the later 1990s full of animated men at work when websites were 'under construction'. I suggest first posting a technical question at WP:VPT as to how stopping the graphic can be done well. Then maybe updating Help:Table and, after that, possibly a proper proposal or RfC for changes to MOS:IMAGES make it a requirement to be able to hide a constantly moving graphic on a page. I'm afraid a collapsible table was all I could come up with, though sadly I'm not technical enough to be able to create it with a cell spanning both columns as a footer caption. But something along these lines ought to give the idea of what's possible:  
Two body problem

Maybe someone can tweak it a but further as a demo of how it could work. But if you really want to drive yourself made, take a look at C:Category:Animations on black background! Nick Moyes (talk) 00:44, 31 October 2020 (UTC)

Advice on large amount of content removed from article

Hello I need some advice please. A huge amount of content was removed from Lego Ninjago by an editor without warning or discussion. When I attempted to revert the edits I was told that I was in the wrong for inserting the content back in. Unfortunately, the entire page has now been rendered useless as it holds no useful content. Is it possible for an experienced editor to review the page? Thanks Fieryninja (talk) 00:53, 31 October 2020 (UTC)

We're not a substitute for a checklist. Wikipedia articles should merely be a summary of the subject, not exhaustive. —A little blue Bori v^_^v Takes a strong man to deny... 01:11, 31 October 2020 (UTC)
(edit conflict) Welcome to the Teahouse, Fieryninja. I'm sorry to disappoint you, but you added swathes of uncited trivia and these were removed by an experienced administrator, and I would have done the same. The edit summary explained that such trivial and unsubstantiated content is not necessary to this encyclopaedia. If you feel there is content that the page would benefit from having, you can raise the matter on the article talk page to gain a consensus, but it would be a prerequisite that you supplied links to Reliable Sources to show where any factual content came from. Blogs, fan websites and other wikis are not regarded as 'reliable' in that context. Nick Moyes (talk) 01:14, 31 October 2020 (UTC)
Actually, much of the disputed content dates back to February 2019 - pre-dating Fieryninja - but I am of the same opinion - Wikipedia is an encyclopaedia, not a place for excessive detail. Take it up at Talk. There may be LEGO-interested editors who can help make the case. David notMD (talk) 01:19, 31 October 2020 (UTC)
Just to be clear, I didn’t add the uncited text, it has been there a long time. I was simply protecting the content by reverting an edit that was made without warning. Fieryninja (talk) 01:37, 31 October 2020 (UTC)
My apologies, Fieryninja. I had interpreted your question as referring to content that you had created yourself. Nick Moyes (talk) 01:50, 31 October 2020 (UTC)

Adding a person

I use Wikipedia often so thank you for everything you do!

My favorite professional hockey player isn’t on Wikipedia anymore and we want him to be linked to our page here in Nijmegen NL. His name is Phil Aucoin from Chelmsford Ma, I wish I could help form the page but unfortunately it’s out of my reach. Lol. I look forward to hearing back from someone. Thank you from devils fans NijmegenDevils (talk) 05:12, 31 October 2020 (UTC)

@NijmegenDevils: That would unfortunately be promotional, sorry. Thank you for your understanding. Firestar464 (talk) 05:59, 31 October 2020 (UTC)
Nijmegen Devils is an article about a Netherlands club-level team and Phil Aucoin is listed as a former player. Whether he is worthy of an article about him is a separate question. It would require that he and his career have been written about at some length in multiple publications. Meanwhile, you are blocked until your change your User name away from the team name. Information to that effect on your Talk page. David notMD (talk) 09:55, 31 October 2020 (UTC)

Help with WP:NOTABILITY

Hello all, I was just wondering if a grade II listed building automatically meets WP:NOTABILITY. I started a draft a while ago on a local church that was grade II listed but am not sure now if it qualifies for an article. The draft can be found at Draft:St Mary's Church, Welwyn. Thanks! Pahunkat (talk) 17:42, 30 October 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Pahunkat, and welcome to the Teahouse. The answer is Yes: see WP:NBUILDING. --ColinFine (talk)
Thanks ColinFine, I'll keep working on it then. Pahunkat (talk) 10:07, 31 October 2020 (UTC)

thank you

i was abble to change my name Habeeb Bello648 (talk) 11:53, 31 October 2020 (UTC)

How do I change a title?

How do I change a title but not remove the “Draft:” part? NonPopularPerson (talk) 14:18, 31 October 2020 (UTC)

Click the "Move" button in the top right corner, next to the search bar. Here, you can change the name of the article, as well as the parameter (such as draft). If you're still confused, give us the name of the article and what you want to change it to and I'll gladly do it for you. Le Panini (Talk tome?) 15:11, 31 October 2020 (UTC)

Draft:Nazrul Minto

Can you tell me why my article got declined please help me Vaishnavi Patil1200 (talk) 13:56, 31 October 2020 (UTC)

It seems like it was declined for two reasons: Lack of significant coverage and lack of secondary sources. I'll explain what these mean.
1. Significant coverage is simply multiple reliable sources talking about the subject, to make it notable enough to have its own article.
Secondary sources are sources that are not in relation to the creator or person in question. Let me use an example.
Nintendo is a video game company. They just released a new Mario game (awesome). When writing an article about this new game and using Nintendo as a source, that's a primary source; because Nintendo created the game. Secondary sources, however, could be sources talking about the game, not related to Nintendo at all, such as The New York Times or reviewer site Destructoid.
Hope this helps! If not, let us know. Le Panini (Talk tome?) 15:17, 31 October 2020 (UTC)

Even after writing the truth, the article has been questioned about reliability.

Even after writing the article (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Sarmistha_Saha) with facts and more of reliable sources, it has been rejected by https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:MurielMary because of notability factor. It is absolute strange that such a prominent Indian woman theatre personality needs notability with all the details already given. There are pages like https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saadiya_Kochar which hardly has any prominence but are there as articles. Niloy N Roy (talk) 13:55, 31 October 2020 (UTC)

Niloy N Roy, only one out of your 5 references mentions the subject, the one that does mention her is a trivial mention that doesn't talk about her at all. You have also not used inline citations, which are needed for BLP articles. Dylsss(talk • contribs) 15:22, 31 October 2020 (UTC)

Reference in different language

Hi, I looked around but couldn't find an answer for my question : I am trying to help find sources for an article in en.wikipedia.org (namely, one about Canadian band Elliott Brood). I found a source from a French music review magazine that IMHO qualifies as a "reliable source" (ie. printed press, editorial control, its journalism has a rather good reputation in France, etc).

The problem is : it is only in French, and I was wondering if I could use it as a source for an English-language page.

Any thoughts, or guideline I've missed ? Thanks ! Zelemming (talk) 15:29, 31 October 2020 (UTC) sourcesource

We allow non-English sources. —A little blue Bori v^_^v Takes a strong man to deny... 15:39, 31 October 2020 (UTC)
To give an example from a scientific article, take a look at Butyric_acid#History. The reference to original French work from the 19th century is given, along with a language tag, a direct quote, and a translation. The same could be done in your in-line citation. Mike Turnbull (talk) 15:43, 31 October 2020 (UTC)
And there is a parameter in the citation templates, |language=, specifically to give the language of the source, although it's not always used. See, e.g., Category:Articles with French-language sources (fr). Peter coxhead (talk) 16:18, 31 October 2020 (UTC)

Declined

Hello! My article was declined, because of the inreliable source (?). I really need my article to be published, so how can I improve it? LV mei li (talk) 12:15, 31 October 2020 (UTC)

You need to provide a reliable source or sources. Ruslik_Zero 12:54, 31 October 2020 (UTC)
Wikipedia already has an article on Lyudmila Pavlichenko.   Maproom (talk) 13:50, 31 October 2020 (UTC)
User:LV mei li - If you say that you really need an article to be published, some editors wonder whether you have a conflict of interest. Robert McClenon (talk) 16:55, 31 October 2020 (UTC)

Question

please how can i leave a message on someone's talk page Habeeb Bello648 (talk) 12:08, 31 October 2020 (UTC)

You have already done so, Habeeb Bello648, here, but it seemed a rather pointless question. What is it you want? --ColinFine (talk) 13:34, 31 October 2020 (UTC)
User:Habeeb Bello648 - Nearly all of your edits have been to ask questions here. The purpose of this project is the development of an on-line encyclopedia. Are you here to work toward that objective, or are you here for some other purpose, such as socialization? If you are here only to socialize, that is what social media are for. Robert McClenon (talk) 17:00, 31 October 2020 (UTC)

Persians and Kurds

I would like to expand the article on the Persians. The article about this people, which is better known in history, should be no less than the Kurds because the Westerners support Kurdish separatism in Turkey and they are interested here. I wonder, why is the article about the Kurds extended-confirmed? Blaxoul (talk) 13:55, 31 October 2020 (UTC) Blaxoul (talk) 13:57, 31 October 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Blaxoul. You are very welcome to expand Persians, if you have material to add that is not already covered, is supported by reliable published sources, and has not previously been discussed on the article's talk page. Note that the article has wikilinks to about a dozen other articles which cover particular aspects of Persian culture, history, and language. In any case, comparing the size of articles is a pointless exercise: Wikipedia is edited and created by volunteers who work on whatever they choose: there is no "editorial board" deciding where effort should be concentrated. As for Extended confirmed protection that is placed on articles which get a high level of vandalism or partisan editing, and again says nothing whatever about the importance or range of the subject. --ColinFine (talk) 17:05, 31 October 2020 (UTC)

Publishing

How long does it take to publish an article? Uklem (talk) 16:45, 31 October 2020 (UTC)

@Uklem: that heavely depends on the article you write and your experience. I am not exactly sure about the timings (maybe another host can expand on this) but something above one hour is probbably needed for a short article with basic WP:N requirements, unless you need extra research on how something is done in wiki code. Longer articles probbably take exponentially longer.
Edit after having a look at User talk:Uklem: Since this is your first article, you probbably can expect a few hours of writing. If you decide to submit a draft for review (rather than creating it directly in article space or moving it there) You can expect up to ~3-4 months review time since the review process is highely backlogged. Note that I strongely recommend that new users use the review process, as pages created in article space directly that fail to meet the basic criteria and up in draft anyway, if they arent outright deleted. Submitting a draft allows you to work on it until it meets the basic criteria. More advice can also be found at WP:YFA. Victor Schmidt (talk) 17:02, 31 October 2020 (UTC)
Oh and after another look, I would recommend to use the article wizard. And please be advised that Wikipedia deals with verifyability, not truth. Victor Schmidt (talk) 17:06, 31 October 2020 (UTC)

New editor seeking guidance

Hi, I'm new in here. I want some tips about creating new pages, especially related to sports and media. Thanks Cricketromeo (talk) 16:04, 31 October 2020 (UTC)

Hello Cricketromeo. Writing an acceptable new Wikipedia article can be quite challenging so it is a good idea to work for a while on improving existing articles. Please read and study Your first article. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 17:11, 31 October 2020 (UTC)

Penguin Huddles

Why do penguins take turns on the outside of their huddles 89.125.4.8 (talk) 17:03, 31 October 2020 (UTC)

Welcome to Wikipedia. This page is for asking about how to use Wikipedia. Questions like yours can be asked at WP:RD, the reference desk. RudolfRed (talk) 17:23, 31 October 2020 (UTC)
IP Editor: It's a good skill to have if you learn to use a search engine yourself! It'll take you 2 seconds to find the answer there, and 5 seconds if you use the relevant Wikipedia article on the subject! Nick Moyes (talk) 17:29, 31 October 2020 (UTC)
(edit conflict)
For future reference (pun intended) the Reference desk is the place for questions such as this. The answer is that being on the outside requires expending more energy to generate heat. Sharing this burden ensures that no individual is overly effected. How nice of them to be so considerate; we can learn a thing or two from them.
Further information:
—2606:A000:1126:28D:FC03:BCB0:FB3C:7678 (talk) 17:46, 31 October 2020 (UTC)

Did I do something wrong

Recently I participate on reliable sources noticeboard to ask that the source i am providing is reliable to make changes. And somebody ask me about the changes i want to make and about the author. So I want to ask that did i do something wrong or did i missed something while posting the notice. Sumit banaphar (talk) 14:45, 30 October 2020 (UTC)

Hi Sumit banaphar. It's important to know what information you intend to support/verify because sometimes sources are only reliable for supporting a limited range of information or may contain a bias. I can't see that you did anything wrong. Best of luck, Zindor (talk) 16:57, 30 October 2020 (UTC)

So why I'm not getting the answer that the source i am providing is reliable or notSumit banaphar (talk) 06:05, 31 October 2020 (UTC)

Probably because (a) relatively few regular editors on en-Wikipedia know enough about this topic to make such a judgement; (b) we are all volunteers who edit Wikipedia in our spare time, so it may take a while (i.e. several days) before someone interested in dealing with your query, and who has access to that source, has the time to address it; and (c) as others have already said, many sources are not either 100% reliable or 100% not reliable – what a source is reliable for (or not) may depend on what the particular facts are that it is being invoked to support. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 90.200.129.143 (talk) 17:52, 31 October 2020 (UTC)

Question: Unable to edit and load a past revision

Hello, I am not sure where to go with this, but I updated the Clarabridge page on Wiki as it was deleted last month due to outdated/promotional content. I worked to have it reinstated which was approved with the agreement that the page would be updated extensively which was tackled seriously. In the last 24 hours an admin/editor reverted the page stating it was too promotional. I then began editing out what I thought would be promotional text. And also asked for recommendations. I have those now and want to make them all as soon as possible but I can't seem to revert back. I am truly trying to make this right. If someone could please point me in the right direction to make these fixes I would appreciate it. Cb-author-wiki (talk) 19:23, 30 October 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Cb-author-wiki. What's your hurry? There is no deadline. Before you spend time on the (necessary) task of removing promotional language, I suggest you put some effort into the far more crucial issue of finding some reliable and independent sources. Wikipedia is basically not interested in what the subject of an article says or wants to say: it is only interested in what people have published who are unconnected with the subject, and who have not been prompted or fed information on behalf of the subject. I don't see a single reference that meets that description, which is why I have tagged the article. I am dubious whether the article as it stands is salvageable, as it evidently contains a lot of information from the company, which even if it has been published, has not been independently published, and so does not belong in a Wikipedia article. Please have a look at User:ian.thomson/HowTo.
Do you have connection with Clarabridge? If so, you should read about editing with a conflict of interest. If you are in any way employed or paid to do this, then you need to make the required declaration as a paid editor. --ColinFine (talk) 22:07, 30 October 2020 (UTC)
Hi Cb-author-wiki. I'm a bit torn in writing this post. On the one hand:
  • The edits you made to the article, per your edit summaries, supposedly in pursuit of making it less promotional, were extremely promotional, and rightly reverted IMO, by Mean as custard.
  • Just as one example: "Clarabridge Founder and Vice Chairman [_Name Removed_] built industry expertise as a founding employee at [[MicroStrategy]]. In 2001, he pivoted when he co-founded Claraview (Acquired by [[Teradata]] in 2008)..." is empty buzzword ad-speak of the first order that has no place here.
  • Please also take in the content above: Pretty much every fact in an article should be verifiable in reliable, secondary sources, written by third parties who have no connection with the subject. (Meaning at least some of the facts in the content you added, putting aside its tone, doesn't belong factually, because it cannot be verified in such sources, and is not the type of content we allow to be verified using primary sources.)
  • Also, it is almost unheard of for someone to come along and take the type of interest you have in an article like this, and make promotiional edits, unless they have a conflict of interest, and are subject to Wikipedia:Paid-contribution disclosure, and yet I don't see that you have complied with our mandatory disclosure requirements.
On the other hand, I am not really comfortable with effectively barring a person from doing something here because they don't know how to overcome a technical bar that anyone in the know can surpass; a "prior restraint on speech". So, I hope you'll keep in mind what I and others have said; you're likely to be reverted again if you don't; but, in answer to the technical issue that is the focus of your original post:
→ go to the article's history → click on the date of any revision shown there (every revision back to the first edit may be accessed in this way, unless hidden or deleted) → click edit (it will say near the top "This is an old revision of this page...,)" → make your changes → save the page.
Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 22:53, 30 October 2020 (UTC)


:Hello ColinFine Fuhghettaboutit: Thank you very much for the explanations. This all makes things very clear now. I will work in the next few weeks to get what's left on the page verified or remove what is flagged entirely. Cb-author-wiki (talk) 18:13, 31 October 2020 (UTC)

Draft:Rebecca Hawkins

I would appreciate if someone can look at Draft:Rebecca Hawkins and give some advice to its author. For starters, the draft is very long. This draft was already once reviewed by me and by User:Theroadislong and we both declined it (at about the same time). I had raised questions about whether it had been copied from other sources. It appears that it has been copied from other papers that the author has written, and there does not appear to be a copyright violation issue. I see style and length issues. On the one hand, I think that the subject is notable with this quantity of material that is partly about her. On the other hand, the author is filling in every detail of background about life in the nineteenth-century Western United States, such as women's rights (the lack thereof), excessive alcohol use and the movement against alcohol, et cetera. My advice is either that they should trim the draft down to maybe a third or quarter of its current length, or that they should find another experienced editor to trim the draft. In any case, we need to encourage the author to continue to contribute to Wikipedia. However, I think that the advice of other editors is in order at this point. Robert McClenon (talk) 17:57, 31 October 2020 (UTC)

The article should, for the most part, be laser-focused on her and describe things in a more broad-strokes fashion. Extraneous detail about tangentially-related matters should be dropped. —A little blue Bori v^_^v Takes a strong man to deny... 18:17, 31 October 2020 (UTC)
Yes. I would suggest that a lot of the background information needs to be provided with appropriate links to other articles, and, if the author thinks that the other articles need to be revised or expanded, they are welcome to work on improving the background articles. I will not be reviewing the draft again. Robert McClenon (talk) 18:46, 31 October 2020 (UTC)

New content

Hi I'm an music publisher/label owner looking to get my artist pages created on wiki. Any help or advice would be appreciated 3boientertainment (talk) 16:06, 31 October 2020 (UTC)

Hello, 3boientertainment, and welcome to the Teahouse. The simple advice is: don't. Wikipedia is not for promotion, and people who try to do it usually have a tough time, and often meet considerable hostility. If you do manage to get somebody to write encyclopaedia articles about your artists (not "pages"), they will not belong to you or the artist, you will have no control over their contents, and their contents should be based not on what you or the artist say or want to say, but on what independent people have published about the artist - whether you like what they said or not. In short, a Wikipedia article is in no way for the benefit of its subject: many subjects do get some benefit from having an article about them, of course, but that is not the purpose, and is not guaranteed. Look further at An article about yourself isn't necessarily a good thing.
Having given a warning that I hope is fierce enough, I'll tell you what you will need to do if you do decide to continue. First you must change your user name to something which does not appear to be representing a company. (It's easiest just to abandon that account and create a new, personal one). Then you need to read about conflict of interest and paid editing, and comply with the requirements of the latter. If you then want to attempt the difficult task of creating a new encyclopaedia article (made even harder by your conflict of interest), you'll need to find at least three places where people who have no connection with you or the artist, and have not been prompted or provided information by you or the artist, have chosen to write at some length about the artist, and been published in a reliable source. If you can't find three such sources, give up: your artist does not currently meet Wikipedia's criteria for notability, and any further effort you put in will be wholly wasted. If you can find the sources, then you can create a draft, using the article wizard. Then you will have the hardest part. You will need to forget everything you know about the artist, and write an article entirely from what the independent sources say. See your first article for more detailed instructions. --ColinFine (talk) 17:29, 31 October 2020 (UTC)
Reiterating ColinFine's warnings; also, I've added an explanation about username policy to your User talk page. Mathglot (talk) 19:10, 31 October 2020 (UTC)

Help on Editing an Article

Hello, how are you? I'm writing an article on a successful San Francisco entrepreneur who's been a big help and mentor to students at the University of Tennessee and Vanderbilt University. I believe the first round got rejected because of disorganized citations, so I tried to take a second stab at it to clean it up. Any help or guidance would be extremely appreciated, and I'm grateful for your time! Matt123071 (talk) 18:32, 31 October 2020 (UTC)

Crunchbase isn't considered a reliable source. Victor Schmidt (talk) 18:46, 31 October 2020 (UTC)
If this is about Mahni Ghorashi, now an accepted article. David notMD (talk) 19:32, 31 October 2020 (UTC)

Hello. One of my first edits was adding an artist to a songwriting box. I was trying to get the artist to have a link to the Wikipedia page describing him, but I wasn't able to because it was done via Source Editing. Now, every time I visit that page, I see the name of the artist covered in red and it bugs me for some reason. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks. Mr Mosaic (talk) 19:07, 31 October 2020 (UTC)

Hi Mr Mosaic - My mindreading skills are not as good as they used to be, which article are you talking about? - Arjayay (talk) 19:13, 31 October 2020 (UTC)
I think I've fixed it, but would also like clarification about which article it is. Zindor (talk) 19:15, 31 October 2020 (UTC)

I was talking about adding a link to Lathan Echols to his page. And I see you already did that, Thanks Zindor! But I would still like to know how to add a link to an artist's name so I can be ready in the future. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mr Mosaic (talk • contribs) 19:23, 31 October 2020 (UTC)

[[(article name)]]. Article names are case sensitive. If you want the link to show up as different text, it's [[(article name)|(alt text)]]. —A little blue Bori v^_^v Takes a strong man to deny... 19:25, 31 October 2020 (UTC)
Unfortunately i've also reverted both of us because i couldn't find a songwriting credit for the artist. Feel free to revert me if you find such a source.
In the case of linking you could have written [[Lil Mosey|Lathan Echols]] but because he was mentioned in the lede by the former name I chose to use that one. Zindor (talk) 19:37, 31 October 2020 (UTC)

Follow-up to I'm In Trouble

It's been more than six weeks since we submitted the Rotea Gilford draft for review. We know it's a very long article, but we don't know what else to do to help speed things along a little bit. Rotea's birthday will be on November 20th (had he lived) so we would really appreciate being able to tell all of his followers that his article can now be found on Wikipedia, by then. Also there are other historical anniversaries coming up in late November - (November 27th, for instance) when George Moscone and Harvey Milk were killed. Please tell us if we should be doing something else to help get this article reviewed. Kilitzianf (talk) 18:44, 31 October 2020 (UTC) Kilitzianf (talk) 18:44, 31 October 2020 (UTC)

@Kilitzianf: Who is "We"? Wikipedia accounts are single-person only. Victor Schmidt (talk) 18:50, 31 October 2020 (UTC)
@Kilitzianf: Draft:Rotea_Gilford is not currently submitted for review. You can add {{subst:submit}} to the draft submit it for review. RudolfRed (talk) 19:22, 31 October 2020 (UTC)

IT IS SUBMITTED. AfC at bottom says 13 September. David notMD (talk) 19:35, 31 October 2020 (UTC)

Oops. Apologies for the confusion! RudolfRed (talk) 19:40, 31 October 2020 (UTC)
That established, there is a backlog of more than 3,000 drafts to review, and it is not a queue. David notMD (talk) 20:03, 31 October 2020 (UTC)

Thomas McAdory Owen, Founder of the Alabama Department of Archives and History

Hi to Wikipedia Editors, I googled Thomas McAdory Owen recently and noticed that one of his well-used compilations is not listed.

It would be wonderful if someone from the team could add: Revolutionary Soldiers in Alabama, Being a List of Names, Compiled from Authentic Sources of Soldiers of the American Revolution Who Resided in the State of Alabama; Compiled by Thomas M. Owen, Alabama Department of Archives and History, 1911; updated in the 'Alabama Historical Quarterly', Winter, 1944, by the Alabama Department of Archives and History.

I would be very grateful if this addition to Mr. Owen's Wikipedia page could be fulfilled.

Sincerely,

Linda Alcott Maples 2605:A601:A813:4300:C56E:2744:7C73:9F4B (talk) 19:32, 31 October 2020 (UTC)

Courtesy: Thomas M. Owen. David notMD (talk) 20:06, 31 October 2020 (UTC)

Infobox and article help

Hello there! I was wondering if someone knew how to add an infobox for my article, as well as help me refine and build on it and the article itself. Can someone help? UB Blacephalon (talk) 17:21, 30 October 2020 (UTC)

Dear Blacephalon, please see WP:IB for the list of infoboxes. Copy the relevant one, and customize it in your article, which I guess is in your userspace right now. ─ The Aafī (talk) 17:26, 30 October 2020 (UTC)
Blacephalon you want Template:Infobox character. TimTempleton (talk) (cont) 19:25, 30 October 2020 (UTC)
Alright I'll give it a shot. UB Blacephalon (talk) 21:39, 31 October 2020 (UTC)

Adding content on the Québec CÉGEP system

Hello! I'm a relatively new Wikipedia editor, and I've noticed the encyclopedia lacks a lot of information on the Québec CÉGEP system. The page on cégeps themself is relatively comprehensive, but articles on important related topics are either of poor quality (e.g. R score, Service régional d'admission du Montréal métropolitain) or don't exist (I am considering creating a page for Pygma). As a resident of Québec going through the cégep system, I think having this information available on Wikipedia could help a lot of people. I recognize that Wikipedia is not a college-applications guide, but many students lack general knowledge about how the system works. That information could also be interesting to any users interested in school systems in general (for example, the system manages to handle college and university admissions without all-encompassing standardized testing like the SAT or ACT via subject-specific ministerial exams and the R score). I have a few questions regarding how to resolve this:

1. How much time should I devote to learning about Wikipedia policy before attempting larger-scale changes (e.g. page creation). What should I focus on?

2. What would be the best way to encourage the Wikipedia community improve the quality of information in this area?

3. How should a service like Pygma be documented on Wikipedia? It's been documented by local papers (e.g. Le Devoir), but it might not meet the standard for WP:WEB. Should it appear as a section under Service régional d'admission du Montréal métropolitain, who administrates the platform?

4. Finally, how does Wikipedia handle topics where the majority of sources are not in the language of the encyclopedia? Most sources on the cégep system are likely to be in French (which I speak), but this makes reviewing pages on the English Wikipedia more difficult.

Sorry to bundle so many questions. Please let me know on my talk page if you would like to help in this project. Ifandonlyif0 (talk) 22:35, 31 October 2020 (UTC)

Edit: I should specify, Pygma is an online platform created by the Service régional d'admission du Montréal métropolitain (a group of cégeps), which contains information on every cégep and program in the province, including admission rates and rates of employment among graduates.

Hello, Ifandonlyif0 and welcome to the Teahouse. A lot of questions - I'm not going to attempt to answer them all in one reply. First, while usefulness is obviously a factor that editors may apply in deciding what articles to work on, it plays not part at all in deciding whether a topic meets Wikipedia's criteria for notability: we will not accept an article just because it would be useful, if sources are lacking. --ColinFine (talk) 22:53, 31 October 2020 (UTC)


Further points: I always advise new users to spent a while improving existing articles and learning how things work before the try creating a new article. You've been around for six months, but you have only made 23 edits. You may start creating an article, but I think you'll have a better grasp if you wait - especially if you watch AFD, and see the discussions about deleting articles. But when you think you might be ready, read your first article, and start finding sourecs.
Other points: the Wikipedia community consists of tens of thousands of editors, most of whom have no interest in education in Quebec. You might ask at WT:WikiProject Quebec (which appears to be only semi-active) or WT:WikiProject Canada. Sources are not required to be in English - if there are English sources, they are preferred, but if there are reliable sources only in French, that's fine. I don't know about Pygma: if you think it meets the criteria for notability, you could create a draft; but if you are unsure, don't. --ColinFine (talk) 23:03, 31 October 2020 (UTC)

Moving an article from the sandbox to Wikipedia

I have created a new article in my sandbox and would like to move it to Wikipedia itself. The only instructions I found are these: https://www3.nd.edu/~ghaeffel/MoveOutSandbox copy.pdf

But there is no "move" button in my sandbox. Any suggestion what I could do? Rüdi Jehn (talk) 14:15, 31 October 2020 (UTC)

If you place the template {{User sandbox}} at the top of your sandbox, then after saving ("publishing") the new version, you will see a button that can be used to request an article review. Mike Turnbull (talk) 15:00, 31 October 2020 (UTC)

Thanks Mike Turnbull! I followed your steps, but now I got the message that I am blocked. I have read somewhere that I first need to have 10 edits before I get the right to publish a new page. Is this correct? Or how do I get unblocked? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rüdi Jehn (talk • contribs) 16:44, 31 October 2020 (UTC)

I don't think that you are "blocked". What appears to have happened is that an editor has declined your article and has given reasons for doing so. Creating new articles up to Wikipedia's standards is very difficult, so if you are interested in mathematics, for example, you would be better using some time to improve existing articles and only try to create an entirely new one after you are much more familiar with the process. Mike Turnbull (talk) 16:54, 31 October 2020 (UTC)
Yes, User:Rüdi Jehn/sandbox was Declined, reason given was no references. The 10 edits rule is about not having permission to create an article in main space. All editors - even those with fewer than 10 edits - can submit to Articles for Creation. David notMD (talk) 19:26, 31 October 2020 (UTC)
Are you writing original research, Rüdi Jehn? Wikipedia does not publish original research. Wikipedia articles summarize what has already been published in reliable sources and cites those sources. Your draft was declined because it does not cite sources. Even if you were able to move your draft to article space, it would not be accepted. —teb728 t c 00:10, 1 November 2020 (UTC)

what do I do with this user?

the user 101.50.100.155 made an edit which I do not think is meant to be vandalism, but is vandalism technichally, as seen here[[9]]. I reverted it, but do not know what to put on their talk page. can someone help me, as it seems they put a word for "dignity" or something in front of every time they mentioned their deity. I do not know what to do, so I am asking everyone here. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Firestar9990 (talk • contribs) 19:56, 30 October 2020 (UTC)

It was not vandalism, not even technically. But it was misguided, and you were right to revert it. That editor was not registered, so it's unlikely, though possible, that they'll look at their talk page. By the way – Muslims do not regard Muhammad as a "deity", but as a prophet. Maproom (talk) 20:13, 30 October 2020 (UTC)
@Firestar9990: Please do read vandalism, which starts with The malicious removal of encyclopedic content, or the changing of such content beyond all recognition ... is a deliberate attempt to damage Wikipedia.. Adding honorifics is exactly not vandalism, though wrong. Note my bolding of malicious; there certainly was no malice. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 00:14, 31 October 2020 (UTC)
@AlanM1: I get that now, but the edit they made was disruptive, and I do not know how to tell them to not do that again.
@Firestar9990: Well, hoping the person's IP address is static, how about a tailored post their talk page, first introducing them to MOS:HONORIFIC for the general standard and then MOS:MUHAMMAD, for the specific application?--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 11:11, 31 October 2020 (UTC)
When Muhammad's name is written by English-speaking Muslims it is usually followed by '(pbuh)' or '(PBUH)' meaning, "peace be upon him". This is a translation of the Arabic صلاله عليه و سلام (sallallahu alayhi wa salaam: "may God's prayers and peace be with him") of which 'saw' or 'saws' is the transliterated initialism. When they have saw it means the writer is probably not an English speaker (or not mainly). Mathglot (talk) 01:13, 1 November 2020 (UTC)

sorry

hi am sorry one i promise i will never ask about chatting anymore i will only ask question about editing Wikipedia Habeeb Bello648 (talk) 07:06, 1 November 2020 (UTC) ok — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bello habeeb (talk • contribs) 07:41, 1 November 2020 (UTC)

Regarding the draft maharashtra students welfare association

Hello Sir/Madam I had added new reference to the draft which justify the subject in a proper manner as you suggested also I don't have any connection with this organization in any way. I just found one genuine subject to wright so I am working on this draft. Thank you. Publicspeaker2020 (talk) 06:15, 1 November 2020 (UTC)

Okay then. Lets see what you got...
Source assessment table:
Source Independent? Reliable? Significant coverage? Count source toward GNG?
https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/nagpur/hold-exams-for-failures-soon-students-body-to-edu-min/articleshow/78958690.cms Yes appearss to be independent ~ WP:TOI ~ More about the what the organisation does ~ Partial
https://www.punekarnews.in/pune-university-students-association-demands-strict-action-against-hired-company-for-online-exams/ Yes Independent of MSWA ~ An organisation writing about its critisation ~ mainly about O´Pune university, not so much about MSWA ~ Partial
https://marathi.abplive.com/news/pune/pune-final-year-exams-will-be-held-soon-but-the-students-facing-many-issues-804477 Yes Appears to be independent Yes probbably reliable No Passing mention ✘ No
This table may not be a final or consensus view; it may summarize developing consensus, or reflect assessments of a single editor. Created using {{source assess table}}.
Note that I are sometimes very lenient. Victor Schmidt (talk) 09:09, 1 November 2020 (UTC)

Question

how do hi create second article on Wikipedia ? Habeeb Bello648 (talk) 07:11, 1 November 2020 (UTC)

@Habeeb Bello648:

Note that I strongely recommend that you use the draft namespace until you have created a few articles sucessfully. The box here is also available in the article wizard. Victor Schmidt (talk) 08:50, 1 November 2020 (UTC)
Habeeb Bello648: you haven't created one article on Wikipedia yet. You haven't even created a draft. Indeed you have made no constructive edit to Wikipedia. So why are you asking about a second article? Maproom (talk) 11:12, 1 November 2020 (UTC)

My Profile Page

Hi, I am confused. Why can't I edit my profile page? I write what I want and hit publish and it just loads and loads and loads. Ex-Borg Seven of Nine (talk) 13:03, 1 November 2020 (UTC)

Ex-Borg Seven of Nine Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. If you are attempting to create User:Ex-Borg Seven of Nine, you should be able to edit and create that page, especially since you were able to edit this page. If you were attempting to write an article about yourself, you can't do that until you are autoconfirmed, meaning that you have 10 edits or more and your account is 4 days old or more. Note that attempting to write an article(we don't have "profiles") about yourself is strongly discouraged per the autobiography policy. You are welcome to tell the Wikipedia community about yourself as a Wikipedia editor on your user page(the link that is currently red on this post). See WP:USERPAGE for information on acceptable user page content. 331dot (talk) 13:10, 1 November 2020 (UTC)

331dot yes I'm trying to write on that page. I am confused, though. What do you mean no profiles? Because that is what you linked. Ex-Borg Seven of Nine (talk) 13:15, 1 November 2020 (UTC)

That page is your user page. It is intended so you cna provide limited context on your use of Wikipedia, e.g. what you want to edit, what you ahve created so far etc. Non-Wikipedia related stuff is only accpted in parts, and in particular if the edits to the userpage dont make up most of the editor's contributions. Userpages should not look like articles. Victor Schmidt (talk) 13:21, 1 November 2020 (UTC)
Ex-Borg Seven of Nine It's best not to think of it as a "profile" and instead think of it as your user page. The term "profile" is a social media term and has a broader meaning than user page. As I said, your user page is a place to tell the Wikipedia community about yourself as a Wikipedia editor or user; it is not a place for you to tell anything and everything about yourself. 331dot (talk) 13:23, 1 November 2020 (UTC)

331dot okay, I get it now. But I still haven't figured it out. How do I edit it? I hit the "create page" button and wrote what I want, and when I hit publish it just loads and loads and loads and it doesn't publish.I Ex-Borg Seven of Nine (talk) 13:30, 1 November 2020 (UTC)

Ex-Borg Seven of Nine It could be a problem with your browser on your end. If you can edit this page, you should have no difficulty editing your user page as far as Wikipedia is concerned. With your permission, I could make an edit to the page to get it started, maybe that will help. 331dot (talk) 13:35, 1 November 2020 (UTC)

331dot go ahead. Ex-Borg Seven of Nine (talk) 13:37, 1 November 2020 (UTC)

How do I delete a page that was made without my permission?

 Splishsplashsplosh (talk) 16:07, 30 October 2020 (UTC)

It would help if you were to link the page in question. Though I suspect the answer is going to be "We don't require the permission of a subject to create an article because we are not social media and our inclusion criteria is based on factors a subject has no control over". —A little blue Bori v^_^v Takes a strong man to deny... 16:22, 30 October 2020 (UTC)
Courtesy link Kristy Holtfreter. Theroadislong (talk) 17:39, 30 October 2020 (UTC)
Splishsplashsplosh I suppose you could nominate it for deletion. That way, after a period for editors to express their thoughts, an Administrator would make a decision. The critical criteria would be whether the existing references substantiated your notability in the Wikipedia sense of the word. David notMD (talk) 18:08, 30 October 2020 (UTC)
Splishsplashsplosh: Since the AfD is already in progress, the most useful thing you can do now is to submit an e-mail request to the Wikipedia:Volunteer Response Team system asking them to privately verify your identity. The e-mail addresses for such requests are listed at Wikipedia:OTRS noticeboard. They will open an OTRS ticket, explain to you what sort of information they need and, once your identity is verified, somebody from the OTRS team will post a note about this in the AfD itself. Note, however, that as others pointed out above, Wikipedia does not require your permission to create an article about you, and such an article may ultimately be retained over your objections. You are free to participate in the AfD and to explain in more detail there why you want the article deleted. In some situations, explained in WP:BLPREQUESTDELETE, such deletion requests by the article subjects are taken into account. Nsk92 (talk) 14:55, 1 November 2020 (UTC)

Cluebot

Can someone help me override Cluebot's flag?? It flagged me seconds after editing. Thank you. MaxGeist1 (talk) 14:41, 1 November 2020 (UTC)

MaxGeist1 Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Your edit was flagged by an automated anti-vandalism bot because it removed large portions of the article without explanation. I would suggest that if you feel that content needs to be removed, that you should discuss it on the article talk page. Please understand that Wikipedia articles summarize what independent reliable sources state. 331dot (talk) 14:44, 1 November 2020 (UTC)

Got it. Thank you. The problem is that the sources are opinion pieces or slanted media sources or no sources at all. At times they even added "Why" under the section where they included their awards. Most of the article was entirely slanderous and a case for libel. I just happened on it and it stuck out like a sore thumb particularly since the person is still alive. I even thought to contact the business and or owner to let them know someone online was creating a case for libel by slandering them online with opinion pieces with little research other than "sources say" etc. MaxGeist1 (talk) 15:16, 1 November 2020 (UTC)

Question

How do you create an article? Is they any football/game show related projects available? Gameshowandsportsfan2007 (talk) 15:37, 1 November 2020 (UTC)

@Gameshowandsportsfan2007: first, lets start with creating a new article. Please note that sucessfully creating a new article is the hardest task a new editor can undertake on Wikipedia. I insert the steps below:
  • First, review our guideline on notability, our policy on Verifiability, and our general notability guideline (GNG). Consider whether your subject clearly meets the standards listed there. Also, check if the topic is already covered, perhaps under a different spelling or in a section of an article about a wider topic. You will waste a lot of time, if you create a new article, and then find that the encyclopedia already has an article about that.
  • Second, read how to create Your First Article and referencing for beginners and again consider if you want to go ahead.
  • Third, If you have any connection or affiliation with the subject, disclose it in accordance with our guideline on Conflict of interest. If you have been or expect to be paid for making edits, or are making them as part of your job, disclose this according to the strict rules of the Paid-contribution disclosure. This is absolutely required; omitting it can result in you being blocked from further editing.
  • Fourth, gather sources. You want independent, professionally published, reliable sources with each discussing the subject in some detail. If you can't find several such sources, stop; an article will not be created! Sources do NOT need to be online, or in English, although it is helpful if at least some are. The "independent" part is vital. Wikipedia does not consider as independent sources such as press releases, or news stories based on press releases, or anything published by the subject itself or an affiliate of the subject. Strictly local coverage is also not preferred. Regional or national newspapers or magazines, books published by mainstream publishers (not self-published), or scholarly journals are usually good. So are online equivalents of these. (Additional sources may verify particular statements but not discuss the subject in detail. But those significant detailed sources are needed first.)
  • Fifth, use the article wizard to create a draft under the articles for creation project. This is always a good idea for an inexperienced editor, but in the case of an editor with a conflict of interest it is essential.
  • Sixth, use the sources gathered before (and other sources you may find along the way) to write the article. Cite all significant statements to sources. Do not express opinions or judgements, unless they are explicitly attributed to named people or entities, preferably in a direct quotation, and cited to a source. Do not use puffery or marketing-speak. Provide page numbers, dates, authors and titles for sources to the extent these are available. A title is always needed. Submit the draft when you think it is ready for review. Be prepared to wait a while for a review (several weeks or more).
  • Seventh, when (well perhaps if) your draft is declined, pay attention to the comments of the reviewer, and correct the draft and resubmit it. During this whole process, if you face any unresolvable editing hurdles, or cannot comprehend any editing issue, feel free to post a request at the Teahouse or the help desk and ask the regulars. Repeat this until the draft passes review.

Congratulations, you have now created a valid Wikipedia article.

Now onto Projects. There is Wikipedia:WikiProject Football and Wikipedia:WikiProject Television/Television game shows task force (Part of WP:WikiProject Television. Victor Schmidt (talk) 15:47, 1 November 2020 (UTC)

AC

Is they a way of becoming autocomfirmed Gameshowandsportsfan2007 (talk) 15:51, 1 November 2020 (UTC)

Yes, you have to make 10 edits and your account must be older than 4 days. Zindor (talk) 16:03, 1 November 2020 (UTC)
In your case you've made enough edits, so it'll update automatically in about a couple of days. Zindor (talk) 16:08, 1 November 2020 (UTC)

Films sections

How come whenever live-action movies' plots are described in articles, the character's names are always followed by the actor's name in parentheses, but animated movies' articles never use this practice? Is it because animated movies don't have the actors acting in front of a camera?

Here's an example of such sentences:

Common: Napoleon Dynamite (Jon Heder) is a teenager battling through high school.

Uncommon: Woody (Tom Hanks) is the best friend of fellow toy Buzz Lightyear (Tim Allen). Bearswitch (talk) 16:26, 1 November 2020 (UTC)

I don't edit a lot of film articles, but I would suspect that you are correct, since we don't see what the actor looks like with an animated film. You could ask at the the talk page for the Manual of Style for films. 331dot (talk) 16:39, 1 November 2020 (UTC)
It took me a while to even understand this question. Animated movies have animated characters – the voiceover actors are not the same thing as the characters, and they don't actually play the characters, so it would not make sense to couple them in that way. --bonadea contributions talk 16:55, 1 November 2020 (UTC)

What makes something vandalism?

What makes something vandalism? I add to a list of famous people, but it is removed, is it because they aren't famous enough? Siduiehd9emiles (talk) 16:05, 1 November 2020 (UTC)

@Siduiehd9emiles: Welcome to the Teahouse. Wikipedia is interested not in who is "famous" but who is notable. Please see WP:LISTPEOPLE and WP:DDD for the precise policies.--Shantavira|feed me 16:21, 1 November 2020 (UTC)
For Wikipedia's definition of vandalism, see: WP:vandalism. Note that some "vandalism" is removed by human editors while others are removed by 'bots' according to an algorithm. Not including an edit summary (or using a 'canned' phrase) may signal the algorithm. 2606:A000:1126:28D:FC03:BCB0:FB3C:7678 (talk) 17:17, 1 November 2020 (UTC)
@Siduiehd9emiles: If you're referring to your edit here, you added an entry to a disambiguation page, which is not intended to be "a list of famous people". Such pages are intended to help users navigate Wikipedia when they've searched for a term (the name "George Farmer" in this case) for which Wikipedia has more than one relevant article. Therefore, there's no point in including an entry for a person for whom there is no Wikipedia article, as you did. If George Farmer the aquascaper is notable (in the Wikipedia sense), someone can write an article about him, and then an entry can be added to the disambiguation page. Deor (talk) 17:41, 1 November 2020 (UTC)

What do I do if "sources" used are from slanted, opinion pieces or there are missing sources to create a case for slander or libel?

What do I do if "sources" used are from slanted sources, opinion pieces or there are missing sources to create a case for slander or libel? In 1 case they even put under awards "why" as if to say why did they receive them. When I tried to remove the info Cluebot flagged me. MaxGeist1 (talk) 15:25, 1 November 2020 (UTC) MaxGeist1 (talk) 15:25, 1 November 2020 (UTC)

@MaxGeist1: Try to keep all your questions in one thread, if they're related, please. Your problem is that you've ever only made one single edit to one article in an attempt to fix all the issues, as you perceived them. You remove a net total of nearly 20kb of content, hence why the bot assumed you were vandalising the article. Take one issue at a time - address and enhance the issue with a good quality edit, adding a reference or two, then save (publish) the edit with an explanatory edit summary. Wait a while before making other non-controversial edits. If you find an uncited slanderous remark, you can remove it as 'uncited'. Again, one edit at a time avoids people (or bots) assuming you are out to cause harm to an article. But discussing concerns on the article talk page is also important. However, what to one person is slanderous content based upon a poor source or article, might to another be a mainstream media outlet based upon sound editorial review giving accurate but uncomfortable reporting about someone. We see a lot of 'sanitising' of articles because we've included properly researched and reported content from mainstream media which someone just happens to take exception to. I've no idea whether or not that applies here, as I've not looked in detail at your huge edit. But diving in, mass-deleting a ton of cited article content and expecting no follow-up is unrealistic. Preliminary discussion on the talk page is a sensible approach. Does that make sense? Nick Moyes (talk) 15:48, 1 November 2020 (UTC) 
@NickMoyes: I get what you are saying completely. How "Real sources" are determined was my concern to be sure. If the sources are opinion pieces even from mainstream media they are just that opinions, if that is the case the article should have cited that it was the opinion of xyz that xyz happened or thought xyz. Instead the article read like an libelous, slanderous, editorial hit piece backed by "sources say" not actual identified people saying it in the reference material. Then the user who wrote it, also wrote personal opinions in the "AWARDS" section which said in parentheses {"WHY"} which was a comment not a citation. Again all of this supports the intention of the writer was to slander the person being written about. Using editorialized pieces from various sources to create another editorialized piece which does not increase the factual nature of the article and serves more to malign unless of course it is made obvious that this was the opinion of said source XYZ and not editorialized with the intention to be libelous or to commit slander on wiki. If I go back to this article I came across, I will definitely use your method of using "uncited" and doing it a little at a time. Thank you so much for your take on it and your time. :) MaxGeist1 (talk) 17:51, 1 November 2020 (UTC)
@Nick Moyes: (service) Broken Ping. MaxGeist1, Please make sure that the username in {{re}} matches the exact username of the editor you are replying to. Victor Schmidt (talk) 18:32, 1 November 2020 (UTC)
@MaxGeist1: Yes, you are right to point out that opinion pieces within mainstream media are less 'reliable' than a main editorial piece. It all depends upon context and content, amd you are also right to suggest that it might be more acceptable to state explicitly that well-known person X stated fact Y within an opinion piece in well-regarded newspaper Z, or it may be inappropriate to cite it at all, especially if these are accusations which themselves might be libellous, and have yet to be tested in court or otherwise proven via otherwise mainstream editorial reporting. When in doubt, and if disputed on the article page, it is possible to take the statement and source to WP:RSN for review and consensus. I do apologise if I misinterpreted your original question by not addressing 'Opinion Pieces' explicitly. Reading WP:BLP (and the sub-section shortcut at WP:BLPREMOVE), it's important to be sure of the reliability of sourced statements about a living person. And WP:RSEDITORIAL states "Editorial commentary, analysis and opinion pieces, whether written by the editors of the publication (editorials) or outside authors (op-eds) are reliable primary sources for statements attributed to that editor or author, but are rarely reliable for statements of fact. Human interest reporting is generally not as reliable as news reporting, and may not be subject to the same rigorous standards of fact-checking and accuracy". Thus, single sources and unsubstantiated opinion pieces should be handled with care, yet this same rationale for care should not be used as an excuse to 'cleanse' an article of unfavourable but reliably sourced content about a particular subject. As always, we have to tread a careful path when collating published information here. I hope this might add further clarity. (Thanks, Victor, for fixing Max's failed 'ping'. Nick Moyes (talk) 19:17, 1 November 2020 (UTC)

Fox News

I am very confused on when to use WP:FOXNEWS as a source. Based off the last RfC, there was "no consensus regarding the reliability of Fox News" for politics and science. Whenever I try to use Fox News as source, editors starting complaining that Fox News is not a RS--which is not what the RfC says. However, editors seem to have no problem using Media Matters for America as source, or other sources from the "yellow" category , even though it has the exact same rating as Fox News. Whenever I do try to use Fox, I typically include another RS just to strengthen my case--though, I still receive backlash for even daring to use Fox News as source. Additionally, how are we supposed to differentiate between "News" and "Politics" (since Fox News is green-lightened for "News")? Thank you! Dr.Swag Lord, Ph.d (talk) 00:44, 1 November 2020 (UTC)

@Dr.Swag Lord, Ph.d: I've taken the result of that RfC as to avoid Fox for anything even borderline contentious, and looking through your edit history, most of your edits surround contentious or politically-involved people/organizations (I even consider Don Lemon in this category). If any information is supported by Fox and another reliable source, I go with the other one. I consider "news" as things that are can absolutely never be taken politically, like this, but even then I would use another source if available. The same goes for Media Matters, so I think it's reasonable for you to point that out. ◢  Ganbaruby!  (Say hi!) 07:45, 1 November 2020 (UTC)
@Ganbaruby: I'm sorry but that's completely absurd. Why not just list Fox News as an unreliable source, unless for the most basic of all claims? I know this is not your fault, and I'm sorry for being aggressive, but I see political articles always being sourced to sites like Mediate and Newsweek. Is there any difference between using Fox News alone, and using Fox News in addition to a RS? Dr.Swag Lord, Ph.d (talk) 08:10, 1 November 2020 (UTC)
@Dr.Swag Lord, Ph.d: The rule is to use reliable sources, not avoid unreliable sources. The RfC didn't call Fox News unreliable, but the "no consensus" result means that there's doubts about its reliability track record. We didn't say Fox News is like Breitbart, but it's also not PBS. That's why when Fox News and another news source, where there is consensus that it's reliable, say the same thing, I'd go with the other source. The only reason to use multiple sources is when both are needed to verify the information in the sentence; otherwise, one is enough. ◢  Ganbaruby!  (Say hi!) 10:24, 1 November 2020 (UTC)
@Ganbaruby: Oh, I always thought it's best to use two or more sources in order to show that the statement/topic carries enough weight. But I get what you're saying. Thank you for the advise! BTW, is there any way to get the admins who wrote the Fox News RfC summary to clarify the difference between "News" and "Politics" or would an entire new RfC have to be started for that? Dr.Swag Lord, Ph.d (talk) 10:44, 1 November 2020 (UTC)
@Dr.Swag Lord, Ph.d: You could go read the closing statement at the top of the RfC. TL;DR: "for science and political referencing there is no consensus regarding the reliability of Fox News, and it should be used with caution to verify contentious claims. For other subjects Fox News is generally considered reliable." ◢  Ganbaruby!  (Say hi!) 16:02, 1 November 2020 (UTC)
  • "Use Fox News with caution to verify contentious claims." The lack of consensus means that the community couldn't say it was reliable. That doesn't mean it should never be used but that it should be used cautiously and with attribution (which is what the RSP entry says for Media Matters for America).
    Are you sure that you're providing in-line attribution (i.e. making it clear "Fox News says" instead of stating as a fact), and are you sure that you're citing a piece that's otherwise reliable? In my past experiences with you, you've demonstrated that you'd have trouble with that sort of thing when things swing a certain way. Ian.thomson (talk) 08:34, 1 November 2020 (UTC)
The RSP entry states that we should use "in-text attribution for opinions " for Fox News. No where does it say we need to provide attribution for anything other than opinions. We're supposed to use attributions no matter what for Media Matters--but that's not always observed. Am I citing a piece that's otherwise reliable? I'm not sure what you mean by that, since, according to the lovely host who responded to my question, practically all pieces are unreliable or too contentious to use (and I never used a piece from one of the talk shows, if that's what you're asking). Remind me what articles have we worked on? Dr.Swag Lord, Ph.d (talk) 09:05, 1 November 2020 (UTC)
Dr.Swag Lord, Ph.d, one of the issues with sources that are less than completely reliable is selection of content. If you see Fox going crazy reporting something, but the Wall Street Journal is barely mentioning it, that throws into question whether we even need to include it as it may be WP:UNDUE. So even for reporting of what appear to be straight facts, if there's not a more reliable source than Fox, we might choose not to report it. —valereee (talk) 11:04, 1 November 2020 (UTC)
@Valereee: Yep, that's what I was getting at up above. That's why when I do use Fox, I almost always use a secondary RS source. Also, are we required to use attribution for Fox like Ian.thomson said? Or only for opinion pieces? Dr.Swag Lord, Ph.d (talk) 11:18, 1 November 2020 (UTC)
Dr.Swag Lord, Ph.d, be aware that in cases like I mentioned above, if Fox is blaring on about it and WSJ barely mentions it, trying to shoehorn it in from those two sources is likely to be viewed with suspicion.
Re: attributing or not. I personally would lean toward attributing, again for the reason above: story selection is important, and readers should know where information is coming from if there's any chance whatsoever that the source might be biased. I often attribute the writer and the source if the assertion is even barely exceptional -- the NYT and WSJ, the AP and Reuters and NPR, even. There's zero harm in attributing, and if I found myself feeling even slightly reluctant to attribute to something/someone, I'd take that as a very clear signal that my unconscious bias might be playing a part. —valereee (talk) 11:35, 1 November 2020 (UTC)
Really? Even if we have multiple sources making the exact same claim? "Any chance whatsoever that the source might be biased"--ha, if that's the standard then literally we would need provide attribution in every single case imaginable. Dr.Swag Lord, Ph.d (talk) 11:46, 1 November 2020 (UTC)
Dr.Swag Lord, Ph.d, I can't really say unless you can show me a specific edit you have in mind; this is all pretty hypothetical, but I disagree about having to provide attribution in every case. There are literally millions of articles on WP that contain no controversial assertions. A single citation at the end of a paragraph to a reliable source suffices. It looks like you've only edited in the general area of American politics (broadly construed), so you've jumped into the deep end. In those types of articles, you will often find that you need multiple citations per sentence, and you'll get pushback on any assertion that isn't cited to a highly-relable source.
However, if I've got multiple sources making the exact same claim, I'd not bother to use the less-reliable ones at all. That's the thing with less-trusted sources: if they're the only ones saying it, we probably shouldn't use them. If they're not the only ones saying it, we probably don't need them. —valereee (talk) 12:19, 1 November 2020 (UTC)
If we have multiple sources making the exact same claim? Then use the sources that are not Fox News. Sorry but as this relates to the BLM and the current racial protests, Fox News is clearly not RS. Albertaont (talk) 19:25, 1 November 2020 (UTC)

creating a new wikipedia entry

Hi, my name is Dédé Wilson and I am interested in learning how to get a page for myself. If you GOOGLE my name, I am every entry on page 1 as well as the Google Knowledge panel. There is another "Dede Wilson" who is a poet, who is not me. I have been working with Google for months to correct an error. The knowledge panel in Google has shown my images and works for a long time, but it had her bio. Now that is corrected as of a few days ago. She has a Wikipedia page. I am working on trying to establish my domain authority since it was confused with hers for so many years. I have written 17 books, hosted television shows and was an editor at Bon Appetit magazine. I think I do have enough to have page but do not understand the process. Any help would be much appreciated. Dedewilsonchef&author (talk) 18:59, 1 November 2020 (UTC)

Replied at User talk:Dedewilsonchef&author. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 19:44, 1 November 2020 (UTC)

Language of a source

Just wondering if it matters what language of a source is. Korbinian Holzer just signed a contract in the KHL, however the only news source that i've found reporting it is EisHockey News, which is in German. Thanks! Here is the source, if youre interested: https://www.eishockeynews.de/aktuell/artikel/2020/11/01/nationalspieler-korbinian-holzer-wechselt-in-die-khl-zu-avtomobilist-yekaterinburg-eine-top-mannschaft-es-wird-bestimmt-interessant/7aed88c7-1012-4e15-b614-5e4b64758d72.html

Nolanisntfunny (talk) 17:45, 1 November 2020 (UTC)

@Nolanisntfunny: How about using https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nhl/nhl-veteran-korbinian-holzer-signs-with-khl-team/ar-BB1aARxh ? —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 19:47, 1 November 2020 (UTC)
@Nolanisntfunny: BTW, please don't put anything after the tildes when signing your post; the tildes (~~~~) should be the very last thing in your post. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 19:48, 1 November 2020 (UTC)

Nagorno-Karabakh

There is not Nagorno Karabag Respublic at all. According to International law, Karabag is the part of Azerbaijan. Why armenian users can write Azerbaijani toponims ,city or place name in armenian?Do you think this is right? Look ar armenian map.There is not any changes by Azerbaijan users.So I will send and demand to correct all mistakes in Google Earth. Sometimes i think Google Earth commands works very bad,the result is that,that Azerbaijan map was corrupted by armenian users.Very very bad situation. IsAAZ (talk) 17:47, 1 November 2020 (UTC)

@IsAAZ: If you have comments or suggestions to improve an article, start a discussion on that article's talk page. Wikipedia has nothing to do with Google Earth, if there are errors there then contact Google. RudolfRed (talk) 19:59, 1 November 2020 (UTC)
@IsAAZ: Google Earth is out of Wikipedia's control. If you have a suggestion, give it to Google. Until then, it will have to stay the same. Nolanisntfunny (talk) 21:15, 1 November 2020 (UTC)

Wikidata

How to link IMDb page in Wikidata? Wpedia User (talk) 14:49, 1 November 2020 (UTC)

To Wikidata? This is Wikipedia, a sister project. And what exactly do you mean by link? Emir of Wikipedia (talk) 15:45, 1 November 2020 (UTC)
Hello, Emir of Wikipedia. I'm not sure quite what you're asking, but Wikidata has a property d:Property:P345, called "IMDb ID", that can be added to an entry for something in iMDB. Is that what you mean? If not, I suggest you ask at d:WD:CHAT. --ColinFine (talk) 17:19, 1 November 2020 (UTC)
ColinFine, think you meant to ping Wpedia User. If not then am I even more unsure what has happened here. Emir of Wikipedia (talk) 17:24, 1 November 2020 (UTC)
You're right, Emir of Wikipedia. Thank you for pinging them. --ColinFine (talk) 22:21, 1 November 2020 (UTC)

Deleted addition to a page

Hello! I'm new to editing Wiki and this is my first time here. I edited a page today and the edit was deleted. It was factual and sourced so I am trying to understand what was the problem. Thanks EBinSanDiego (talk) 23:23, 1 November 2020 (UTC)

EBinSanDiego Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Your edit to Sean Connery was reverted with the edit summary "This is covered in article already, doesn't need a tweet generetated article to reiterate it". If you feel your edit merits inclusion, please start a discussion on the article talk page. 331dot (talk) 23:33, 1 November 2020 (UTC)
That's merely the most recent attemp to add the material. -- Hoary (talk) 23:37, 1 November 2020 (UTC)
I'm aware of that, but I just wanted to address the question in front of me. Not that you shouldn't expand on that, just explaining my reasoning. 331dot (talk) 23:42, 1 November 2020 (UTC)
If you are referring to your multiple attempts to add something to the article Sean Connery, note that the deletion of the first of your attempts had the edit summary "Reverted good faith edits by EBinSanDiego (talk): Please gain WP:Consensus on the talkpage." Therefore please go to Talk:Sean Connery, and there explain why you want to add the material. When there's a general agreement that it would benefit the article, add it to the article, but not before. -- Hoary (talk) 23:37, 1 November 2020 (UTC)

Question on Lon Satton Wikipedia Page

Hi, I have noticed that Lon Satton Wikipedia page says he is dead despite no articles on it or references. Wondering if this should be changed? 007sduty (talk) 01:18, 2 November 2020 (UTC)

Hi 007sduty. Lon Satton is very poorly sourced making it hard to verify any of the article content at all, not just his death. I quick Google search doesn't come up with anything recent showing that Satton and the edit was stating he had was made about a week ago by an a new account with no previous history of editing Wikipedia. So, it might have just been a friend or family member trying to "update" the article based upon what they know. Anyway, Wikipedia is going to need a reliable source cited to support such a claim; so, I've reverted the change. As I said, though, that article is really poorly sourced per WP:BLPSOURCES. Unless proper sourcing can be found, it's quite possible that not only other content might end up being removed, but that the article might end up being nominated for deletion by someone. -- Marchjuly (talk) 01:37, 2 November 2020 (UTC)

how do I join a patrol?

I would like to join recent changes patrol, but do not know how. is it something formal, or can I just revert vandalism on recent changes to qualify? Firestar9990 (talk) 05:53, 2 November 2020 (UTC)

Firestar9990, hello and welcome to the Teahouse! to no formal procedure is required. However, you can add the userbox {{User wikipedia/RC Patrol}} to show that you are a part of the patrol. I also recommend visiting WP:CVUA! Happy editing! Mr. Heart (talk) 06:00, 2 November 2020 (UTC)

Reference Bombing

I've been flagged for "Reference Bombing" WP:REFBOMB before and I wanted to double check that I didn't do that on an article I working on currently. The article is Draft:Art Napoleon (Artist). I tried making sure that all the sources were pretty well-known and that they were fairly spaced out and relevant to the sentence they where they were cited. I still have quite a few references and I suppose I could remove a few. I guess it's also worth asking if all the contents of the article are actually relevant enough for the article.

The one I'm most concerned about is reference #1 to the New York Times, which isn't explicitly about the subject but is the only article I found that mentions his age. TipsyElephant (talk) 14:28, 31 October 2020 (UTC)

TipsyElephant Thé NYT explicitly states his age, in a paragraph about him. It doesn't matter that entire article is not about him, the relevant paragraphs are about him. I think the number of refs looks just fine, no need to remove any of them, IMO. Left a note on the article talkpage. Now, I want to watch his cooking show! Best of luck! Tribe of Tiger Let's Purrfect! 08:45, 2 November 2020 (UTC)

Is a list of most-subscribed Twitch channels a good article?

It’s likely a better metric of how popular a streamer actually is than followers are 118.149.78.255 (talk) 07:09, 2 November 2020 (UTC)

There are relatively few good articles on Wikipedia. Like most of them, List of most-followed Twitch channels is in the process of development, and you are welcome to voice your opinion on that article talk page with constructive suggestions for its improvement.--Shantavira|feed me 09:24, 2 November 2020 (UTC)

Article assistance

Hi, it's my first time here on the teahouse.

I have recently had a terrible first experience in Wikipedia, due to all the drama generated while trying to edit https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hartley_Jackson . One user continuously reverted my edits, making little to no effort to improve rather than revert, almost in a way that fits what is written at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Overzealous_deletion .

Thankfully, another user eventually joined and tried to help, which is why I am giving it another try.

I wanted to begin the article https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slex_(wrestler) , which is the only wrestler in https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Mighty_Don't_Kneel that does not have his own article.

But I wanted someone to assist me, or at least watch the writing process, just so that said user does not keep reverting without telling what's wrong. Actually, they often did tell what is wrong, but it just did not seem compatible with many articles around here. That is, they seem to require standards much higher than what the community in general expects.

The same user has moved a draft back and forth here https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Pro_Wrestling_Australia&action=history which also discourages me to even begin. I don't want to say they are wrong in their judgement, but I do want someone to offer third opinions.

Do you guys think this is possible? If not, are there any other options? Thank you very much. Jammo85 (talk) 09:45, 2 November 2020 (UTC)

You are dealing with several issues. Fundamentally WP is not a collection of artivles just because someone does not have an artivle. The person has to be notible in their field with enough published commentary about them from the credible sources that have been recommended and that would not include self publish works--not that this is an issue with your work but just to give you an example.

Some editors are finger happy that once they reach a decision every attempt will be made for it to be followed. Bringing it to the teahouse is a way to get greater review of the attempt and possiboe support to see it through if it fits that is WP all about. Some people will say the teahouse is not thre appropriate plave for that to take place but you also seek assistance to get this done. Is their anyone that is constantly editing articles in the field that ypour article would be categprized. Send them a message on their talk page to ask. Hope this works if that is what should be done.104.35.248.128 (talk) 10:00, 2 November 2020 (UTC)

Help me improve my flat.io article please

Please help me improve my article notability, like give me suggestions. I added citations and resubmitted it but they declined it again. Jaslueasi (talk) 06:12, 1 November 2020 (UTC)

Hello Jaslueasi. An acceptable Wikipedia article summarizes what reliable sources independent of the topic say about the topic. Most of your references are to web pages controlled by flat.io, and those are not useful for showing that the topic is notable. There is also a passing mention in a Microsoft blog, which is not a reliable source for establishing notability. The TechRepublic source is five sentences long but seems to be a directory listing. So, I think you need to find and provide references to independent, reliable sources that actually devote significant coverage to the topic. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 06:30, 1 November 2020 (UTC)

How do I tell whether the source is independent and not self-published? Jaslueasi (talk) 08:56, 1 November 2020 (UTC)

Start at Wikipedia:Reliable sources.--Shantavira|feed me 09:04, 1 November 2020 (UTC)
Courtesy: Draft:Flat.io, which was initially Rejected, Jaslueasi removed that notice (now restored), citations added, Declined. David notMD (talk) 10:33, 1 November 2020 (UTC)

"::Courtesy: Draft:Flat.io, which was initially Rejected, Jaslueasi removed that notice (now restored), citations added, Declined. David notMD (talk) 10:33, 1 November 2020 (UTC)" ? Jaslueasi (talk)

"Courtesy" followed by the name of the article in question is done to help other Teahouse editors know what article help is being asked for when the asker did not provide a link, in this case to a draft, not yet an article. The rest of my statement was to provide some context to the history of the draft, specifically that an experienced reviewer had rejected the draft and the creator had removed the rejection notice. David notMD (talk) 11:26, 2 November 2020 (UTC)

Hello, I need help to know if I can create a page.

Hello everyone,

Is it possible to create pages on Wikipedia for Medical Centers, Rehab Centers, etc.

For example: https://www.google.com/search?q=Sanctuary Lodge Essex&oq=Sanctuary Lodge Essex&aqs=chrome..69i57&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

Please guide me. Foolishfood (talk) 12:13, 2 November 2020 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Foolishfood. The topic in general is covered at Drug rehabilitation (which is rather US-focused and could be improved by the addition of material on other countries). Whether individual centres qualify for articles would depend on whether there is significant coverage of them in reliable, independent sources. Cordless Larry (talk) 12:23, 2 November 2020 (UTC)
Foolishfood (edit conflict) Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. If a medical center receives significant coverage in independent reliable sources that have chosen on their own to write about it, showing how it meets the special Wikipedia definition of a notable organization, an article about it can be written.
Be advised that successfully writing a new article is the absolute hardest task to perform on Wikipedia. It takes much time and practice, and most people fail in their first attempts when they choose to dive right in upon creating an account. New users greatly increase their chances of success when they first edit existing articles in areas that interest them, to get a feel for how Wikipedia operates and what is expected of article content. It's also a good idea to use the new user tutorial to learn more about Wikipedia before editing.
If you still wish to attempt to write an article at this time, you should first read Your First Article, then go to Articles for Creation to create and submit a draft for review by another editor before it is formally placed in the encyclopedia, so you find out any problems first. 331dot (talk) 12:26, 2 November 2020 (UTC)

Need help moving pics to Wikimedia Commons

Hello, I need help moving two pics to Wikimedia Commons. Please help me.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:The_Urban_Legend_Anti-Bully_Cover.jpg https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:The_Urban_Legend_(comics).png Ajaguaronthehunt (talk) 09:51, 2 November 2020 (UTC)

Hi Ajaguaronthehunt and welcome to the teahouse. The instructions for doing the move are at WP:Moving files to Commons. Mike Turnbull (talk) 13:47, 2 November 2020 (UTC)

Vandalism

How can contriutions be considered vandalism when content and style already found in other articles of the series is what is being done?104.35.248.128 (talk) 07:07, 2 November 2020 (UTC) 104.35.248.128 (talk) 07:07, 2 November 2020 (UTC)

@104.35.248.128: See WP:OSE. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Firestar464 (talk • contribs)
If I am to believe what is it that I am supose to get from this reference comparisons are made between two things not even related. A string of artices on the same thing ie an annual football competition is the same thing. I am not talking about chocolate syrup and strawberry jam. When I brpught up thre issue of how is a national name to appear in national football teams link nouns were bein changed in order to fit English grammar when if that string of words is a title you dont changr titiles.Until I went through theis series npt every article had its edition included. So your reasoning that it then becomes the responsibiliyy of the rteader to go hunting for it when in some artivles of the same string dont have it? Why bother putting in the link to go to the next season or the table pof all seasons at the bottom that people may never see. If something is not an instituiton from an English language nation then it is rather a good idea that the original language name and a translation be included so that someone can know what is the fact instead of the way the writer presents it in their mind set. The intro to each article is a summary of that article.What should sports series articles have in it so that if more detail is needed all they have to do is look further but fundamentally it should be the original title and any translations or variables. And who won in the final and any significant achievement during that competition. Thats vandalism?104.35.248.128 (talk) 09:52, 2 November 2020 (UTC)
Hi 104.35.248.128, the word "vandalism" has a specific meaning on Wikipedia, and what you are describing here would not be defined as such. However, it looks like the edits you were being warned about on your user talk page were several instances of this, which is in fact indistinguishable from vandalism. Quite possibly you did not realise when you saved your edit that you were removing most of the introduction and the entire first section of the article – but that's what was happening, and since you made that same edit five times without reacting to any of the notices posted to your user talk page, it is hard to blame the other editors who restored the content when they started warning you for vandalism.
In addition to this, please note that it is never appropriate to edit war over article content – when you make an edit that is reverted, especially when it is reverted a couple of times, you need to stop restoring your edit and use the article talk page to discuss the issue with other editors. See this information. Regards, --bonadea contributions talk 15:59, 2 November 2020 (UTC)

Wikipedia screenshot licensing

Teahouse mobile header in mobile view

What is the correct licensing for an screenshot of Wikipedia with a few lines added in for clarification? Asartea Trick | Treat 09:15, 2 November 2020 (UTC)

Hello Asartea. The globe logo at the top of every page is non-free, and some pages contain other non-free content. A screenshot which does not include the logo or any other non-free content would be CC BY-SA 3.0. —teb728 t c 10:46, 2 November 2020 (UTC)
@Asartea: My approach, whenever I'm unsure, is to follow an example of a similar type of image and copy in their licencing, if it looks appropriate! For this mobile phone screenshot that I took of the Teahouse header, I used {{Wikipedia-screenshot|1=|logo=en|lang=English}} and {{self|cc-by-sa-4.0}}. If you click the image then click 'edit source' you can see the licencing text for yourself. Nick Moyes (talk) 17:16, 2 November 2020 (UTC)

Draft images

Is there a rule against uploading images to drafts? I want to add a promotional poster to Draft:North of Albany, since one is available here, but I want to make sure that there isn't a rule against doing so. Some Dude From North Carolina (talk) 17:20, 2 November 2020 (UTC)

Fair-use images can't be used in drafts. Images do not help a draft get accepted, either, so the value of an image in a draft is questionable at best. —A little blue Bori v^_^v Takes a strong man to deny... 17:23, 2 November 2020 (UTC)
To get an image approved for use in Wikipedia is usually not an easy matter. If there's any way you can find an image that's already in Wikipedia to use for your article, that would be far better and simpler. Wikipedia has to be very careful not to violate any copyrights with its images, and if you're just learning how to write articles, probably best to stick with that, than also having to learn all about Wikipedia image copyrights et cetera et cetera.Occasional-tourist (talk) 17:40, 2 November 2020 (UTC)

Hi

Is there a way for me to delete my account, and all of my comments along with it? Thanks in advance. Rodrigo Valequez(🗣) 18:02, 2 November 2020 (UTC)

@Rodrigo Valequez: Accounts can't be deleted, I'm afraid. If you intend to leave Wikipedia for good, you can request a courtesy vanishing – you can read more on that page about what that means. Regards, --bonadea contributions talk 18:21, 2 November 2020 (UTC)

Question (article creation)

please how do i create an article Habeeb Bello648 (talk) 17:02, 2 November 2020 (UTC)

To create an article in a simple way, its best to follow along using the Article Wizard template. It will guide you through the steps and procedures. Le Panini (Talk tome?) 17:15, 2 November 2020 (UTC)
Hello again, Habeeb Bello648. From the questions you have asked up to now, I strongly advise that you don't try the difficult task of creating an article until you've gained a lot more experience in improving existing articles. If you try, you are likely to have a very frustrating and dispiriting time. Have you taken The Wikipedia Adventure? --ColinFine (talk) 18:24, 2 November 2020 (UTC)

New topics

How can I start a new topic in Wikipedia ? Shankh acknowledgements (talk) 18:01, 2 November 2020 (UTC)

@Shankh acknowledgements: On a talk page, simply click the tab labelled 'Add Topic', add a few short subject keywords, then type your question or comment. If by 'topic' you mean "how do I start a new article?", please read this guidance page. Be aware that creating a new page on a a new 'Notable' topic is one of the hardest task to perform here. Your only other edit (in which you deleted a huge chunk of previous Teahouse discussions) tells me you have a lot still to learn before you think about new article creation. You might also benefit from taking our interactive tour at The Wikipedia Adventure. Regards Nick Moyes (talk) 19:01, 2 November 2020 (UTC)

Where to offer help

Is there a place I can go to see things that need work/editing? Jackson1953 (talk) 17:43, 2 November 2020 (UTC)

You could try: Articles needing attention Occasional-tourist (talk) 17:50, 2 November 2020 (UTC)
Hi, Jackson1953 - another good place for ideas is the 'Help' section at Wikipedia:Community portal. We also have various 'WikiProjects' which are topic-themed groups of editors working individually or collaboratively on articles. See Wikipedia:List of WikiProjects - most of these WikiProjects have a 'Quality Assessment' table, showing you all the related pages. It's arranged by importance and completeness, so it's easy to find high-importance pages which are really short stubs. Working on these pages lets you make the maximum impact for the least effort! Nick Moyes (talk) 19:17, 2 November 2020 (UTC)

Publishing an article

how do I make my article public and edit old ?? can someone help me please Sarimgilani (talk) 17:54, 2 November 2020 (UTC)

I recomend you read this Help:Your first article, but also consider that it's very hard to write a new article. You might be better off learning to edit first. TimTempleton (talk) (cont) 18:37, 2 November 2020 (UTC)
You have submitted the draft Draft:Ali bin Sufyan. A review could take place any time from days to several months. David notMD (talk) 19:17, 2 November 2020 (UTC)

YouTuber

I need help from making an article about a YouTuber. Starkiryu64 (talk) 17:17, 2 November 2020 (UTC)

To create an article in a simple way, its best to follow along using the Article Wizard template. It will guide you through the steps and procedures. Le Panini (Talk tome?) 17:15, 2 November 2020 (UTC)
But, Starkiryu64, I urge you to start by studying WP:NYOUTUBE very carefully. Unless you are certain that the person meets the requriements of notability there, you will likely be wasting your time, (and that of other editors who interact with you). But I also urge you (as I do all new editors who want to create an article) to spend a few weeks or months learning how to improve some of our six million existing articles before trying the difficult task of creating a new article. I understand the wish to leave one's mark by creating a new article - I remember being desperate to do so myself, when I started; but you have made fifteen edits before this question, of which I think more than half have been reverted. There is nothing dishonourable about this - there is a lot to learn in editing Wikipedia - but it suggests to me that you are not ready to create a new article. I suggest you play WP:the Wikipedia Adventure, and go on from there. --ColinFine (talk) 19:46, 2 November 2020 (UTC)

Posting a graphic in an article.

Hi,

I would like to post "Figure 2" (from this site https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/cl2.1067) to the WP Phonics article. This is an "open access article under the terms of the Creative Commons Attribution License".

Thank you very much.

John John NH (talk) 20:08, 2 November 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Jnhmunro. It does indeed seem to be licensed suitably, so you can upload it to Commons (use the Upload Wizard), and insert it into an article from there. --ColinFine (talk) 21:04, 2 November 2020 (UTC)

Thank you.

Pushpin map pointing to mouth of the wrong river of the same name

There are two White Rivers in Utah. I just created https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_River_(Price_River_tributary) but the pushpin map places the pin at the mouth of the wrong White River. It should be at the confluence with the Price River in Colton, Utah. Any advice on how to fix appreciated.Schmiebel(talk]) 10:17, 2 November 2020 (PST)

Hi Schmiebel. Forgive me if I'm misunderstanding, but I think you just need to replace the coordinates in the 'mouth_coordinates' parameter to the correct location. Zindor (talk) 19:08, 2 November 2020 (UTC)
@Schmiebel: In case you weren't aware, you can easily use Google maps to find the relevant lat/long coordinates to insert into mouth or source coordinates. Nick Moyes (talk) 19:32, 2 November 2020 (UTC)
Thanks both, after quadruple checking, I had the mouth coordinate longitude off by 1 (110 and should have been 111). Case solved.Schmiebel (talk) 21:57, 2 November 2020 (UTC)

Why am I being listed as spam!?

Why is my post considered spam when I am only adding information? I am a horror host yet....how does one even get added on wiki? I am not selling anything on here, I only wanted our work noted/added to the list of horror hosts because we ARE horror hosts, published ones too. How did all the other horror hosts get on Wiki? TheMummyAndTheMonkey (talk) 21:30, 2 November 2020 (UTC)

@TheMummyAndTheMonkey: Wikipedia is a serious encyclopaedia of Notable Things. It is not a place for you to get free advertising for your business. Adding your website link is exactly that - spam. Do not do it again, please. I am about to softblock your username as being promotional. You may choose another, less promotional username and edit other articles responsibly, but you may not spam our pages with your urls. Similarly, your userpage content has also been deleted for the same reason. Thank you. Nick Moyes (talk)
What the message on your Talk page means is that the listed hosts at Horror host are listed because there are existing Wikipedia articles about them (hence appearing in blue). For you to be listed, article first, THEN addition to a list. This applies across Wikipedia articles. For example, many articles about U.S. towns list notable people. These lists are restricted to people who are the subject of existing articles. David notMD (talk) 22:28, 2 November 2020 (UTC)

I really don't know what to do here

Hello,

A few months back I was pressing Random Article to see where it would take me, and I got to this page. There's a huge section called controversy, which is filled with poorly sourced, non-notable info. I reverted them three times over the course of two weeks, and then stopped, as I stopped editing and checking my watchlist. I've dropped messages on their talk page, but they still reverted my edit. Today, I was looking through my old edits, and saw this and remembered it. I don't really know what to do here, if the section should be deleted, or if it should stay, as I don't think kids bullying each other should remain in a Wikipedia article. Can someone help me? Thanks, Thanoscar21talk, contribs 21:20, 2 November 2020 (UTC)

As I see it, you removed referenced content and an editor restored. This went back and forth several time. Neither of you took it to the article's Talk page. Unfortunately, the other editor User:Mrbubz has not edited since last July, and the article has few viewers and no mention of Watchers, so unlikely that going to Talk would resolve anything. My advice is forget it and instead continue with articles that interest you. David notMD (talk) 22:19, 2 November 2020 (UTC)
@Thanoscar21: I also took a quick look and there is indeed far too much minor detail in the additions that Mrbubz added and over which the two of you were getting close to edit warring back in June or July. I'm glad you stopped. Trivial stories - good or bad- in a local newspaper are not relevant to a school article unless they reach national storyline levels. Even then, there would still be a very good case for WP:UNDUE in these edits. They are far too long and detailed for an encyclopaedia and suggests POV editing - and that account has only edited on that topic. I'm not willing to wade through to fix the sectoin,. so have removed them all as WP:UNDUE, and left a note on the article talk page which allows editors toreach a consensus and reinsert only relevant, well-cited, nationally or regionally significant stories that help create a balanced article. You might wish to add the article back into your WATCHLIST. Nick Moyes (talk) 22:38, 2 November 2020 (UTC)

kaya toast - disambiguation template

Hi! I'm a student working on the Wikipedia article kaya toast (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kaya_toast). A bot placed a disambiguation template in my article, it says that it will automatically remove it after the links are fixed. I fixed the links that went to disambiguate pages but the template is still there. Can anyone help me fix this problem? I also need to get my stub article reclassified if that's possible. Would be great if someone could show me how to ask for that. Thanks in advance. Pinklily08 (talk) 23:52, 2 November 2020 (UTC)

Pinklily08, I checked with this tool, and the page does not seem to have any remaining disambiguation links, so the tag should be removed automatically within a few days. You can also remove it manually if you want by just deleting the wikicode for it. If it's not removed, the bot might be malfunctioning, which you could report to its talk page.
Regarding assessment, that page is well beyond a stub (kudos to you!). I've reclassified it as C-class by editing the banners on its talk page. {{u|Sdkb}} talk 00:46, 3 November 2020 (UTC)
There is a link that leads to a wikibook search result here by clicking on the next to last link in the infobox that says "Cookbook: Kaya Toast", but I am unable to find how it links to it in the source code. I wonder if that's it.Coryphantha Talk 01:03, 3 November 2020 (UTC)
I removed 19 uses of one ref because it was to a 2008 Master's thesis. Wikipedia requires that references be PUBLISHED works that a person could realistically find to check for accuracy of use of the document as a reference. A college thesis does not qualify as a reliable source. Other sources should be sought as replacements. David notMD (talk) 01:37, 3 November 2020 (UTC)

Draft article on Sandbox is missing

Hi, I have been using my Sandbox to prepare an article on 'Mina Dastgheib'. I am sure I did save the last changes on 2 November, but now the whole page is gone. Can you please assist me in recovering it? It took quite a while for me to write it. Thanks, Freshclover (talk) 02:35, 3 November 2020 (UTC)

You were in draft:sandbox, which is periodically cleared. I suggest you use draftspace or your own userspace rather than public sandbox space to draft articles. Your version is here [10] Meters (talk) 03:06, 3 November 2020 (UTC)
I just answered this question on the Help Desk. Please don't post same question in multiple venues. RudolfRed (talk) 03:20, 3 November 2020 (UTC)

Bio grammar

hi! are there any aspects in grammar that I should be cautious of when publishing a biography on wikipedia? like the use of active and passive sentences? 115.132.13.47 (talk) 02:56, 3 November 2020 (UTC)jacky

Not in particular. Write straightforwardly, read what you've written before you hit "Publish changes", and then keep an eye on what happens. If somebody comes along to change some grammatical point, and if you agree that the change is an improvement, then keep it in mind while editing further. (Incidentally, one of the things that probably shouldn't concern you is active vs passive; but if it happens to interest you, I recommend this.) -- Hoary (talk) 04:44, 3 November 2020 (UTC)

Multiple Occupations

I was looking into making an article for the musician "Silver Jackson", however, I found out that his real name is Nicholas Galanin and he already has a Wikipedia page. His article doesn't mention his music at all though. I was mostly curious what to do about the infobox. For instance, right now it's a template for an artist not a musician and there are no preset options for things like genres, instruments, etc. Can I just manually add those?

It also feels like I'm changing the subject of the article, but I think I might just feel squeamish about making major edits to a page I didn't start, which is something I haven't really done yet. TipsyElephant (talk) 01:52, 3 November 2020 (UTC)

The article starts: "Nicholas Galanin (pronounced gah-LANN-in) is a Tlingit/Unangax̂ multi-disciplinary artist and musician from Alaska", so it is mentioned. And if you search for pages including both "Nicholas Galanin" and "Silver Jackson", you'll see that the coreference of the two is no secret. So if I were you I'd go ahead and use solid sources to write more about his music. OTOH I'm not you, I generally dislike biographical infoboxes, and while I'll concede that they're useful for easily classifiable people (footballers, Playboy "playmates", national presidents, etc), they don't seem to be so here. So I'd be inclined to delete the infobox, of course after checking that any properly sourced, nontrivial material within it also appears in the main text. -- Hoary (talk) 06:14, 3 November 2020 (UTC)

References appear in Notes section upon using "Cite" Tool

I am currently improving the stub Commercial Radio Australia for a Wikipedia Education class. My tutor is Carrolquadrio. Upon inserting my references using the "cite" tool in visual editor, my references are appearing (and being formatted) as footnotes in the "Notes", rather than "References" (please see attached screenshot). I am unsure whether this is to do with the parameters that have already been set in the Wikipedia page, or if something else is happening. I have switched to source editor to try to address this, however, upon doing so, all of my references disappear. I have also tried to rename the section headings, however, the 'Notes' and 'References' sections are formatted completely differently. I would like for my references to appear in the "References" section, and footnotes to appear in the "Notes" section - could someone help me with this?

Also, I am wondering how to insert short citations as footnotes and insert a Wikilink to the full reference?

Thanks

 SM9237 (talk) 01:16, 3 November 2020 (UTC)

Hi SM9237. First of all, it wasn't really necessary for you to upload a screenshot of this. Simply providing a link to article would've been sufficient for a Teahouse Host to see what your referring to. Anyway, the reason the references you've added to the article are appearing in the "Commercial Radio Australia#Notes" section is because that's way whomever worked on the article prior to you set things up to work.
Most articles are typically formatted so that the inline citations of an article are displayed in a single "References" section. Some articles, however, have been formatted with two "References" sections in mind: one for inline citations and one for more general references. In some cases, an article may be using a type of citation style explained in WP:CITESHORT in which the source cited is added to a "References" section and then the inline citations for that source are added to a "Notes" or "Footnotes" section. This appears to be how this article was originally set up. If you click on a inline footnote marker such as footnote #2 it will take you the location location where the footnote is displayed in the "Notes" section, then if you click on that footnote, it will take to the location where the full source is given in the "References" section. This a bit of a complicated way of citing sources, but it's perfectly OK per WP:CITESTYLE. What's happening is that the cite tool is trying to add citations to the article in a more general way and thus the software is treating them as footnotes instead of references because that's what it was set up to do.
Wikipedia doesn't have one preferred type of citation style and generally (unless there's a real good reason for changing styles) editors are expected to defer to the original style used in the article per WP:CITEVAR. Mixing different citation styles is not really a good thing, so either you should try and format your citations following the style that was being used or see if you can establish a consensus for changing the style through discussion on the article's talk page. The cite tool is probably just set up to add citations in the most basic way and in this case you may need to add them manually without using the tool. -- Marchjuly (talk) 06:43, 3 November 2020 (UTC)

Tags on atticles

There are tags that show what the article is judged of like if the article is like an advertisement or if it has bad spelling or needs more citations how do you improve your work to meet the standards and also who removes it. Alvin kipchumba (talk) 08:08, 3 November 2020 (UTC)

Hi Alvin kipchumba. You seem to be referring to templates called maintenance templates. You can find out more about removing them at Help:Maintenance template removal, but generally any editor can remove them if (1) they address the issue raised by the template themselves or (2) feel that the issues raised by the template have already been addressed by someone else (who might've just forgot or didn't know how to remove the template). These templates are meant to let editors know about possible problems with the articles they're added to and in most cases articles tagged with such templates are added to a special maintenance category page listing other articles with the same issue. So, if you find such an article and are able to fix the problem, feel free to remove the template. Just make sure you leave an edit summary explaining why. If the template you remove is re-added by another editor who believes the problem still isn't fixed, then try to use the article's talk page to discuss things with others and figure what to do.
Most maintenance templates contain a link to a relevant guideline or policy page which explains the problem raised by the template, but often the editor who adds the template will leave an edit summary explaining why. In some cases, the editor adding the template may also post a more detailed explanation on the article's talk page to further clarify their reasons for adding the template. Ideally, such templates should only be added when an editor really believes there's a problem that needs attention, but that they aren't able to quickly fix things themselves. However, there are some editors who WP:TAGBOMB articles; these editors might mean well, but it's not necessarily a productive approach. So, you may have to dig through a page's history a bit to find out who added the template and why they added it, and then assess whether the template is still needed. -- Marchjuly (talk) 08:35, 3 November 2020 (UTC)
ThanksAlvin kipchumba (talk) 08:39, 3 November 2020 (UTC)

Declined page

Helo, how can i improve the page that i added to W. that is declined due to "This submission appears to read more like an advertisement than an entry in an encyclopedia. Encyclopedia articles need to be written from a neutral point of view, and should refer to a range of independent, reliable, published sources, not just to materials produced by the creator of the subject being discussed." I wroted about the company and i would really like to be published on W. Thanks MalaFloramy (talk) 07:30, 3 November 2020 (UTC)

You should look at articles about similar companies already existing in Wikipedia and try to write in the similar style. Ruslik_Zero 08:42, 3 November 2020 (UTC)
Or anyway, you should look at the better articles about similar companies. Unfortunately, many articles are more or less junk. After reading an article, ask yourself (i) whether you know a lot more about the company than you did before you read it, (ii) whether the article gives you good reason to believe what you've just read, and (iii) whether the (probably anonymous) authors seem (author seems) to want to make the company sound impressive. If your answers are (i) yes, (ii) yes, (iii) no, then you might take the article as a model; but if they're some other combination, move along. -- Hoary (talk) 09:43, 3 November 2020 (UTC)
Hello, MalaFloramy, and welcome to the Teahouse. General advice: 1) forget everything you know about the company. 2) ignore everything said or published by the company or its employees or associates, including in interviews and press releases. Have you got enough left to make an article? (Hint: only the last two references might meet the criteria. The first is a wiki, which is not a reliable publication; the next three are not independent of Labo. The last two probably are (no 4. should be cited to the Sun, not to the news aggregator) but are about Akanbi, and say very little about Labo). If not, find reliably published sources, wholly independent of the company, which contain enough information about it to make an article, and write it from them. If you can't, then the company is probably not notable, and you will save yourself a lot of wasted effort if you give up.
I'm afraid there's a question I must ask: what is your connection with the Labo group? When a new editor comes to Wikikpedia and immediately starts on the extremely difficult task of creating an article about a company, and artist, or a band, it is very often the case that they have a conflict of interest - sometimes, that they are a paid editor - who is unaware of the restrictions on editing in those circumstances. If you have some connection, please read those links, and remember that a Wikipedia article does not belong to the subject of the article, is not for their benefit, and may end up something something about them that they don't like. --ColinFine (talk) 11:58, 3 November 2020 (UTC)

Negatives things people have done is not allowed.

Why is only positive stuff someone has done allowed to be posted? Negative things that are factual should be recorded too. Wikipedia isn't here to promote people, they have their own websites for that. 203.129.63.27 (talk) 11:30, 3 November 2020 (UTC)

Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Wikipedia summarizes what independent reliable sources state, whether it is "positive" or "negative". If reliable sources only write "positive" things, then that's what the article says. Wikipedia has a strict policy about how living people are written about, and all statements in an article about a person must be well sourced. Wikipedia does not deal in truth, but in what can be verified. I get the sense that you have viewed a particular article that you find problematic; if you have well sourced suggestions for changes, please make them on the article talk page. 331dot (talk) 11:34, 3 November 2020 (UTC)
@331dot: Suppose it's about the article Aidan O'Brien and specifically this edit: Special:Diff/986853296 by OP, which got reverted within a minute. --CiaPan (talk) 11:58, 3 November 2020 (UTC)
I don't get the edit; is the OP advocating for animal rights? 331dot (talk) 11:59, 3 November 2020 (UTC)
Apparently, yes. But it's not my domain, and I'm not OP's advocate, either, so let them speak for themselves. --CiaPan (talk) 12:05, 3 November 2020 (UTC)
IP user: you might find it a helpful perspective to read WP:RIGHTGREATWRONGS. --ColinFine (talk) 12:03, 3 November 2020 (UTC)

Microsoft "Top Guns of Imaging" event article

Hi, Is Microsoft considered a reliable source? It has been over twenty five years since Microsoft's "Top Guns of Imaging" event which lead to the development of 95/98/2000/XP. Microsoft removed the "Imaging" from XP but kept the information management technologies from "Top Guns of Imaging" integrated into their XP operating system. ( yes I am aware that integration of application software into their operating system software was once-upon-a-time considered an anti-trust violation but not very many actually living witnesses left. ) So, why not ask Microsoft to make 'their' "Top Guns of Imaging" wikipedia article for wikipedians to offer non-Microsoft input of facts? I do not have the means to ask microsoft any questions but maybe some wikipedians have insider connections into Microsoft. I will help with details as I am able. Mawcowboybillsbrick7 (talk) 13:28, 2 November 2020 (UTC)

Someone who understands Microsoft can answer your question fully (I'm a Nintendo fanboy myself). But to answer your first question: Yes, Microsoft is a reliable source. It's considered a primary source; a citation that's directly involved with what the article is about. While primary sources can be used (such as a game manual, official websites, etc.), Wikipedia strives for the majority of sources to be secondary; unrelated to the article, but are about the topic (eg. news sites and journalists.) So, Microsoft can be used as a source, but needs additional citation from secondary sources for notability. Le Panini (Talk tome?) 13:40, 2 November 2020 (UTC)
Wikipedia's articles are created from reliable, independent, published sources. An article on a Microsoft product cannot be constructed from material supplied on demand by Microsoft (or by the FSF, or Apple, or any other organization or person). -- Hoary (talk) 13:44, 2 November 2020 (UTC)
Well, As a direct Microsoft crime victim, I can not consider myself to be a reliable source; wikipedians ( or Microsoft attorneys, ha ha) will need to create the Microsft "Top Guns of Imaging" page, however, I certainly can help point out facts. I worked with AmeriData Advance Technologies group and I was "DIRECTLY" involved in the "IMAGING" scam but not voluntarily, of course. Mawcowboybillsbrick7 (talk) 14:06, 2 November 2020 (UTC)
My story might focus upon how MyCoreSoft used DoD to conceal a massive information technologies integration in MyCoreSoft Windows. ( I was the unfortunate document management technology contact with DoD at "Top Guns of Imaging" ) Mawcowboybillsbrick7 (talk) 14:19, 2 November 2020 (UTC)
@Mawcowboybillsbrick7: Wikipedia can't be used as a way to tell a story, and Wikipedia articles can't be based on what an individual editor knows – see also the responses you were given last year. Never having heard of "Top Guns of Imaging" before, I have no idea whether it is a product, a slogan, or something else. Do you have any reliable secondary sources that could indicate that it is a notable thing according to Wikipedia's definition of notability? --bonadea contributions talk 14:29, 2 November 2020 (UTC)
Of course, just the facts. "Top Guns of Imaging" --> 'IMAGING' tool not integrated but document management features like document/object properties. Mawcowboybillsbrick7 (talk) 14:39, 2 November 2020 (UTC)
Wikipedia isn't interested in any facts that you (or I, or Bonadea, or anyone) happen(s) to know either from personal experience or from email, etc, from unimpeachably reliable acquaintances in the know. If you'd like to use your own knowledge to educate the world about some Microsoft venture, please do so on some other website, perhaps your own blog. -- Hoary (talk) 23:24, 2 November 2020 (UTC)
Hi, I know how you feel, the work wikipedians must endure is all too frequently omitted from WikiPedia's history. "the truth is a summation of all experience and experience is ever changing" I once read (somewhere) on wikipedia that the Roman (anarchy?) required at least 100 (or 110) years be waited before "The Truth" was printed. Mawcowboybillsbrick7 (talk) 13:02, 3 November 2020 (UTC)

Just a further thought, Microsoft may not delete (by attorney) a "Top Guns of Imaging" article if wikipedians referred to the event as a 'technologies' show. Maybe just a matter of perspective, but they may insist 'all about imaging' whereas I observed 'information management' (regardless of data type) Mawcowboybillsbrick7 (talk) 13:18, 3 November 2020 (UTC)


As I have indicated, I am here to help with Microsoft's "Top Guns of Imaging" show/event which, in the timeline, leads, historically, to some serious cash flow for Microsoft. For starters, maybe, simply mention the event as the origin of product which lead to the inclusion of an "Imaging" tool with 95/98/2000, (95 imaging tool was from Wang, 98/2000 imaging tool was from Kodak, XP explicitly deleted the imaging tool from the users computer ) regards, maw Mawcowboybillsbrick7 (talk) 13:39, 3 November 2020 (UTC)

Pat Schroeder

The data on Pat Schroeder is incomplete. She was personally responsible for helping lieutenant Paula Coflin infiltrate Tailhook 91 in Las Vegas. She allowed a member of the military to lobby a congressional representative. This plot to increase women in Naval Aviation cost many excellent Naval Officers their careers. George Bush and others caved to pressure from women and allowed this witch hunt to escalate. Will Wikipedia include additional research on how a sitting congresswoman plotted to weaken the finest group of war fight men since Vietnam? This movement by Schroeder could be attributed to the movie "Top Gun". Top Gun did not include female aviators. Thank you for your time. Captain Yancey 69.4.204.238 (talk) 10:32, 3 November 2020 (UTC)

Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Any comment you have about an article's content should go on the article's associated talk page. 331dot (talk) 10:36, 3 November 2020 (UTC)
Article is Pat Schroeder. New content will require references. David notMD (talk) 13:16, 3 November 2020 (UTC)
Odd coincidence (?): A 1997 episode of the TV show JAG titled "Crossing the Line" centers around a woman navy aviator who is grounded for not being competent (she counter-sues for sexual harassment/discrimination). A congresswoman visits the ship to pressure restoring the pilot's flying certification. It ends badly. David notMD (talk) 13:44, 3 November 2020 (UTC)

Paolo Sylos Labini

Hi, last week I wrote an article for Paolo Sylos Labini. Than I have send the article to be revision. Yesterday, I searched the article Paolo Sylos Labini to see the state of the revision, but in the editor there isn't the article. So I want to understand if you are doing the revision or I must write a new article for Paolo Sylos Labini.

Thanks Matteo150297 (talk) 13:23, 3 November 2020 (UTC)

It exists as a not-yet-submitted draft: Draft:Paolo Sylos Labini. You added content twice that each time was deleted as forbidden use of copyright-protected material. You can use a website as a reference, but you cannot copy directly from it. Instead, you must use your own words to paraphrase what is in the source site. A major weakness of the draft, which will result in it being Declined if submitted, is that there are no references to support the content. David notMD (talk) 13:51, 3 November 2020 (UTC)

Guess what? I need advice!

I am working in the Sandbox on an article I wrote and I don't want to publish it yet but I want to save my work...how do I do that? I thought perhaps "publish work" just saved the changes but it wants to warn me that I no longer own the article. Off to look at all my notes but would love a quick response if someone can save me the anxiety of a computer crash (or the like) before I get my work saved... HolSegel (talk) 15:09, 2 November 2020 (UTC)

HolSegel, hello, and welcome to the Teahouse! Looking at your contribs, which article are you using as a sandbox? You should use your own sandbox at User:HolSegel/sandbox. Mr. Heart (talk) 15:13, 2 November 2020 (UTC)

Yes, I am using my own Sandbox to create my article. Are my changes auto-saved until I publish? I am afraid to close that tab until I know it won't be lost. Otherwise, how to I save it? — Preceding unsigned comment added by HolSegel (talk • contribs) 15:22, 2 November 2020 (UTC)

No, changes are not auto-saved, you must publish it. As for the notification, I have no idea why it is showing it. It is yours to do with as you please as long as it is not promotional. Publish it and it will be saved for you to use at a later date. Mr. Heart (talk) 15:25, 2 November 2020 (UTC)
@HolSegel: there is no way to save any edits to any Wikipedia page (in a sandbox, or a talk page, or an article) other than by clicking "Publish". It is indeed the case that you don't own anything you write anywhere on Wikipedia, and I think that's why they changed the text on the button (which used to be labelled "Save"). You could perhaps save your text including wiki formatting in a plain text document on your computer if you are worried about losing it, and don't want to save it to Wikipedia just yet. But text in your sandbox doesn't have to be article quality material, and as long as you don't publish any copyright violations or other content that would violate Wikipedia policies, don't worry about the "publish" text. Regards, --bonadea contributions talk 15:32, 2 November 2020 (UTC)
The new edit you currently are making will be there as long as the tab is open. So, if you have a computer that keeps tabs open even after closing it shut, it will still be there. Only when you close the tab directly you will lose your progress. It should give you a warning, however. Le Panini (Talk tome?) 15:52, 2 November 2020 (UTC)
I think that the warning message is just to remind you that anything you save, whether in your sandbox or elsewhere, is immediately available to others under a CC BY-SA 3.0 license. It may be "your" sandbox but anyone can read it and, potentially copy your part-work somewhere else outside of your control, even when it has not yet been accepted as a WP article. If this worries you, then the solution is to preview your draft but never publish/save it. You can copy the text out of the edit window into a text editor on your PC to store it until you are ready to work on it further. Mike Turnbull (talk) 16:03, 2 November 2020 (UTC)
Michael D. Turnbull, I meant as in not the warning message at the top, but the pop-up that says "Leave site? Changes you made may not be saved." Le Panini (Talk tome?) 17:16, 2 November 2020 (UTC)

Thank you to everyone who answered my question. I think I have a better understanding now! — Preceding unsigned comment added by HolSegel (talk • contribs) 13:56, 3 November 2020 (UTC)

Draft:Wanderword

Draft:Wanderword was submitted seven times in the past two months, and was declined six times, and then I rejected it. Now the author, User:DimZoum, has asked what can be done to reopen the draft. First, I thank the author for asking me politely what to do now. So I will ask other editors what they think that they should do next. My advice is to start over or almost over, and to focus more on what independent third parties have been written about the game vendor, and less about details that are fancruft. A lot of the existing draft reads like advertising, but, since the author says that they are not affiliated with the vendor, I assume it is fancruft. That is my advice, to stub the draft down and start over with third party comments. What does anyone else think? Robert McClenon (talk) 19:21, 1 November 2020 (UTC)

Surely if you rejected it you are saying that the topic is not sufficiently notable to have a Wikipedia article, rather than that there are shortcomings in the exiting draft? David Biddulph (talk) 19:47, 1 November 2020 (UTC)
@Robert McClenon: I still suspect the editor (User:DimZoum) has an undeclared WP:COI, so I have invited them on their talk page to clarify this. My advice is to ask the creator of the draft to identify which three of their sources (excluding internal PR/Newswire content) demonstrates clearly that the product meets WP:NSOFT. Without that evidence, the draft has little hope of progressing to a mainspace article, and I am struggling to see how that will happen at this point in time. Perhaps it is simply, WP:TOOSOON. Nick Moyes (talk) 01:08, 2 November 2020 (UTC)
I will try to explain to User:David Biddulph. As submitted the first seven times, the draft does not show any evidence of establishing corporate notability, because it does not say anything about what third parties have written about the company. This does not mean that there is no such evidence, and does not mean that notability will never be established. However, after seven resubmissions, I saw no reason to keep on trying to explain to the author what we wanted. I had the choice of continuing the cycle of resubmissions, or of nominating the draft for deletion, which I would have done before there was Rejection, or of Rejecting the draft. Once in a great while, Rejection may, in my view, be what is needed to focus an author's attention on what needs to be said. So now we have the author's attention, finally. I see that User:Nick Moyes is trying to discuss. Thank you to both of you. Robert McClenon (talk) 01:25, 2 November 2020 (UTC)

Hi all! As i have already mentioned in the past, i don't work for this company, i just tried to write an article because i found its games interesting. The thing is, that i have used every source that i have found online. The only reviews of the games are from customers in Amazon, which i suppose it's not a reliable source, that's why i deleted it. There are no reviews from gaming sites, magazines and things like that, ipso facto i can't add independent sources! I mean, it's a fact, can't do something about this. What i did, was to focus more in things that have independent sources, which i added, like the smart speaker technology which Wanderword's games are using. In conclusion, i believe that i have used independent sources, like research articles about the rise of audio entertainment, and where i haven't, it's because they do not exist. If you decide to publish my article and independent sources appear, i will be here to add them, because i believe in the continuous improvement of a Wikipedia article. I feel like i just had a court trial. :P DimZoum (talk) 06:45, 2 November 2020 (UTC)

I'm sorry, DimZoum, you feel the processes we have here are too rigorous. (Some people feel the reverse) But I think you've put your finger on it: there aren't any good enough or independent enough reviews of this company to merit an article here, so there's no point continuing trying as you'd simply be wasting your own time and that of our volunteers. When and if better sources appear, that would be the time to try again, but not until then, I'm afraid. Nick Moyes (talk) 10:18, 2 November 2020 (UTC)  

I know Nick Moyes, but i had to try. If it's possible, then, don't delete my draft please, in case better sources appear in the future. I will keep an eye on it and inform someone of you if something changes! Thanks again and may the force be with you! DimZoum (talk) 10:37, 2 November 2020 (UTC)

User:DimZoum - Your draft has not been nominated for deletion and will not be deleted for six months. If you edit the draft every three or four months, it can be kept as long as it does not have a six-month period of inactivity. However, it is not suitable for submission without independent sources, and has been rejected. (If you resubmit it, then it is likely to be nominated for deletion.) Robert McClenon (talk) 09:39, 3 November 2020 (UTC)

Robert McClenon I understand, thanks again!— Preceding unsigned comment added by DimZoum (talk • contribs) 16:16, 3 November 2020 (UTC)

@DimZoum: I have tried to find sources about the company itself (rather than its products) and although there's a number of search hits, nothing comes up that shows that they meet this notability guideline. Several press releases in connection with them starting up in Boden, and from when they got a new CEO, several mentions of them in articles discussing the gaming industry in general and the concentration of game developers in Boden in particular... but nothing that is specifically about them and independent. And that's the kind of sources that are necessary. (Sources do not have to be in English, though English-language sources are preferred.) --bonadea contributions talk 16:30, 3 November 2020 (UTC)

Proposing article ideas

Where do I go proposing article ideas? a gd fan (talk) 16:51, 3 November 2020 (UTC)

GeometryDashFan12, that's WP:Requested articles. Note though, it's perhaps the most backlogged part of WP. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 17:02, 3 November 2020 (UTC)

DuckDog67

hiDuckDog67 (talk) 14:37, 3 November 2020 (UTC) DuckDog67 (talk) 14:37, 3 November 2020 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, DuckDog67. This is a help forum for new users encountering problems understanding how to edit Wikipedia. Do you have a question you need answering? If not, you might find doing our Wikipedia Adventure a bit of fun. If you complete it, there are 15 different badges to collect as you take the full tour. Nick Moyes (talk) 16:23, 3 November 2020 (UTC)
Hi! Welcome to Wikipedia. We could use your help with contributing to articles, so click the community portal link on the left side and scroll down to see articles pending changes. Alternatively, you can click this link to find groups with articles that share your interests. Le Panini (Talk tome?) 17:06, 3 November 2020 (UTC)

Name shared

--> added header --Maresa63 (talk) 08:01, 3 November 2020 (UTC) I want to create a location-specific page, but the location-name is shared by other locations as well. Any help? Thanks in advance. Wisdomwiki 40 (talk) 07:34, 3 November 2020 (UTC) Wisdomwiki 40 (talk) 07:34, 3 November 2020 (UTC)

Hi Wisdomwiki 40, welcome to the Teahouse. The process by which we distinguish names is called disambiguation. If there are multiple similar titles, often a page exists listing them: we call this a disambiguation or 'dab' page. If one topic is primary then it should sit at the main title. For example, a city would likely be primary when compared to a small village. Without knowing the specifics of your case, it's hard to say exactly what you need to do. What's the name of the location? Regards, Zindor (talk) 08:21, 3 November 2020 (UTC)

Zindor I created this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madaria_(disambiguation), but how to create the page for "Madaria, a village in the district Gorakhpur in the Indian State of Uttar Pradesh"Wisdomwiki 40 (talk) 11:31, 3 November 2020 (UTC)

Hello Wisdomwiki 40, if you want to create a new article about the Indian village Madaria in Gorakhpur district, you could disambiguate it from the existing article Madaria simply by giving it a slightly different name, such as Madaria, Gorakhpur. And there's no need for a disambiguation page for this: we could simply add a note at the top of Madaria that reads "For the village in India, see Madaria, Gorakhpur." Captain Calm (talk) 11:33, 3 November 2020 (UTC)

Captain Calm creating difference in the name is one way, but then what's the use of "disambiguation" concept in Wikipedia"Wisdomwiki 40 (talk) 11:37, 3 November 2020 (UTC)

There are many ways to disambiguate: a note at the top of a page is one way, but if there were three or more things called "Madaria", then a disambiguation page would be a good way to keep the top of the page from becoming cluttered. There's more information on this subject at Wikipedia:Disambiguation. Captain Calm (talk) 11:40, 3 November 2020 (UTC)

Wisdomwiki 40. With certainty Captain Calm is correct: create your article at Madaria, Gorakhpur and place a hat-note at the top of Madaria. Wisdomwiki i should have been clearer in my initial post; I wasn't expecting you to take action so fast! Also, when creating dab pages in future, look to see if any topic is primary. In this case, neither were primary, so it would have been more appropriate to use the primary title as the dab page. Right now though, as we only have two articles, it's not needed.

You might be aware, but there's a handy search function for the India Census. Here's a link. Zindor (talk) 14:02, 3 November 2020 (UTC)

Thanks Captain Calm and Zindor for the guidance. I will create the page accordingly.Wisdomwiki 40 (talk) 16:50, 3 November 2020 (UTC) Captain Calm and Zindor created Madaria, Gorakphur (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madaria,_Gorakhpur)Wisdomwiki 40 (talk) 18:56, 3 November 2020 (UTC)

Excellent, thank you User:Wisdomwiki 40. I've just added a disambiguation hatnote to Madaria. Captain Calm (talk) 19:04, 3 November 2020 (UTC)

My grandfather's page

Could I post a life story about my grandfather which all his descendants could access and edit?

Peter Black Ottawa 2607:FEA8:E360:5698:D80A:AAF9:8D3A:CB71 (talk) 18:17, 3 November 2020 (UTC)

I'm sorry, Peter Black, but Wikipedia does not work that way. What you need is social media. Wikipedia consists of objectively researched articles about subjects who have been written about in depth in reliable, published sources. If your grandfather meets Wikipedia's definition of notability, then his descendants could contribute to a Wikipedia article about him, based only on reliable, published sources which have covered him in depth.--Quisqualis (talk) 18:28, 3 November 2020 (UTC)
Peter - the advice above is quite correct. From personal experience of doing something similar, I'd suggest a site like Google's Blogger would be ideal. It's totally free and can be easily mastered. You can either create it like a normal blog (with chronologically arranged posts, or you can make it more like a website, with links to different topics via tabs. Because it's free, the site remains online years after the creator made it, unlike websites for which you pay an annual fee and then everything goes as soon as you stop paying. Other might have a different view (such as Ancestry.com) but here is probably not the best place to discuss it further. You're bound to find tons of ideas online. Nick Moyes (talk) 19:12, 3 November 2020 (UTC)

Article seems to have problems

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Underground_Railroad

The creator of the org, "Tim Ballard" has an about tim ballard section on Operation_Underground_Railroad. Which i've never seen before on wiki. Clicking the wiki page about "Timothy Ballard" leads to a heading saying "This article may have been created or edited in return for undisclosed payments". Vox Vox_(website) has a video talking about qanon and a supporter of "Operation_Underground_Railroad" was mentioned as a qanon believer. Overall, i find the article suspicious and suspect "This article may have been created or edited in return for undisclosed payments" may apply to Operation_Underground_Railroad.

How should i proceed? --Annemaricole (talk) 00:09, 3 November 2020 (UTC)

Annemaricole, we generally suspect paid contributions when the language of an article sounds overly positive about the subject and the editor mainly edits one or a few such articles. If you find reliable sources which state that either Ballard or his organization has a connection to QAnon, you may add that to the relevant article. If you find that an article's sources do not support the article's statements, you may remove the statements which lack support. Please note on the article's talk page any concerns you have.--Quisqualis (talk) 19:34, 3 November 2020 (UTC)
@Quisqualis:, thanks, what about "Ballard served 12 years as a U.S. Special Agent for the Department of Homeland Security, on the Internet Crimes against Children Task Force and the U.S. Child Sex Tourism Jump Team." section of O.U.R? it is a blurb about ballard. Is that allowed on the OUR page?

To change in Wikipedia content

 Ramprakash Diwedi (talk) 09:47, 2 November 2020 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Ramprakash Diwedi. Do you have a question about editing Wikipedia? —teb728 t c 10:24, 2 November 2020 (UTC)
Hello, Ramprakash Diwedi. Many of your edits have been reverted because you didn't provide sources: see WP:V. Wikipedia is not interested in what you know (or what I know, or what any random person on the internet knows) because a reader has no easy way to determine whether it is correct. We require [WP:RS|published sources]]. --ColinFine (talk) 16:21, 2 November 2020 (UTC)
Also please notice, that copying material from sources and pasting it into Wikipedia, even if the source is Facebook, is considered to be a copyright violation.--Quisqualis (talk) 20:14, 3 November 2020 (UTC)

New Article

I am writing an article about a noted British/American sculpture, Brian Wall, in my sandbox: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Carsley66/sandbox

I would appreciate feedback on it before I submit it. Disclosure: Brian Wall is my brother-in-law; I have not received compensation for writing the article. Carsley66 (talk) 20:30, 3 November 2020 (UTC)

At first glace, it looks alright. One suggestion would be to use online sources more, as those are easier to access and verify. Obviously not a requirement, but helps to have. JackFromReedsburg (talk | contribs) 20:41, 3 November 2020 (UTC)
Carsley66, Taking a glance, it looks good. Would be better served by an editor with access to the wikipedia library (free access to a lot of document archives), though. —moonythedwarf (Braden N.) 20:50, 3 November 2020 (UTC)

How to create a good article

How to I create a good article? Oscar012723487 (talk) 20:54, 3 November 2020 (UTC)

Hi Oscar012723487. If you are speaking generally when you use of the word "good" in your question; I think the following are some key highlights:
  • First determine that the topic is notable, by looking for the existence of reliable, secondary sources, written by third parties who have no connection with the subject, which sources treat the proposed article topic in substantive detail (think: at least two or three paragraphs devoted to the subject).
  • (If those sources don't exist, don't write anything on that topic, because no encyclopedia article is possible.)
  • If those sources do exist, write the article not by writing what you know, but by summarizing in your own words what those sources verify, citing those sources as go using inline citations.
  • Please also be aware that articles are expected to be written from a neutral point of view; should contain no original research; and please note our standards for having a lead section and what we advise generally for an article's organization.
  • Before doing any of this, you might start with taking a tour through the Wikipedia Tutorial so you learn the basics of formatting article content, how to link to and from other articles, etc., and then seeing Wikipedia:Your first article.
If, instead, you were not speaking generally, but were referring to creating an article that will have a chance of meeting the encyclopedia's special designation for the phrase "good article", see Wikipedia:Good articles and the good article criteria. Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 21:26, 3 November 2020 (UTC)

User blocked for WP:SOCKPUPPETRY. Just time wasting, sadly. Nick Moyes (talk) 21:54, 3 November 2020 (UTC)

Well, great conversation! A . Le Panini (Talk tome?) 23:07, 3 November 2020 (UTC)

S.O.S

I am literally suffering finiding articles to edit is there any application that can help me. I am suffering please help me ;-; Wikipidean's Creed (talk) 17:40, 3 November 2020 (UTC)

Wikipidean's Creed, what kind of editing are you interested in doing? We can point you at any number of lists/projects/categories of articles that need help. —valereee (talk) 17:43, 3 November 2020 (UTC)

I am into tech stuff but is there an application that can help with editing? Wikipidean's Creed (talk) 17:47, 3 November 2020 (UTC)

User:SuggestBot/Requests might be useful, see also: Wikipedia:Teahouse/Suggestions. --2606:A000:1126:28D:B44D:AECC:2DDA:3FC5 (talk) 17:54, 3 November 2020 (UTC)
Wikipidean's Creed, I suggest that you find some WikiProjects of your interest. Other than that, just search for pages you are interested in. I do know that certain (automated) tools exist, but I personally haven't used any of them. JackFromReedsburg (talk | contribs) 18:11, 3 November 2020 (UTC)
Wikipidean's Creed, there are many user scripts and gadgets that can help with editing, but it sounded like you were having a hard time finding articles to edit? What are you looking for help with? —valereee (talk) 19:35, 3 November 2020 (UTC)
@Wikipidean's Creed: Could explain more about what the kind of app you want would actually do for you, in an ideal wiki-world?. We have spellchecking tools, routine mass-editing tools (given to proven/trusted editors only), tools to detect vandalism, grammar checking tools. But 'finding articles to edit' is really down to you, unless you want to work through some of the articles which have had some sort of 'needs improvement' tag added to them (e.g. needs referencing, needs grammar and spelling improving). You could browse through Wikipedia:Tools/Optimum tool set or Category:Wikipedia tools, but always be aware that you are still just as responsible for the accuracy of your edits with automated tools as you are normally. With just 10 mainspace edits to your credit since you started here last month, you must really be suffering if you can't find things to work on to improve. Perhaps you would give a link to your ideal article that interests you, and we might be able to suggest some ways to find similar ones that need some TLC. Nick Moyes (talk) 20:47, 3 November 2020 (UTC)
Try looking at an article on a topic you know about - your town/city, high school, college, hobby, etc. and see if there is information missing or wrong information. If you choose to add content, make sure you add a reference or else reuse an existing reference. David notMD (talk) 23:10, 3 November 2020 (UTC)

There is a lot of hypocrisy on this site

The March Days, March Events (Azerbaijani: Mart hadisələri), or March Genocide (Azerbaijani: Mart soyqırımı) in Azerbaijani propaganda, was a period of inter-ethnic strife and massacres of about 12,000 [3][4] Azeris and other Muslim groups[6] that took place between 30 March. In Azerbaijani propaganda?Really? I swear that Azerbaijanis are not allowed to make small changes in articles about Armenians. How can the first sentence of the article begin with Azerbaijani propaganda? These people, who are smaller in number than Azerbaijanis use Wikipedia use for prapoganda , change articles about Turks and Azerbaijanis as they wish. Articles against them are artificially destroyed. Blaxoul (talk) 18:04, 3 November 2020 (UTC)

Care to pick a different topic area instead of one that is a ethno-political land mine? —A little blue Bori v^_^v Takes a strong man to deny... 18:09, 3 November 2020 (UTC)
What is with all this notice about Armenian related content? It seems kinda sus to me. Le Panini (Talk tome?) 19:11, 3 November 2020 (UTC)
Because a recent war that's hit the news has increased the visibility of articles concerning the conflict between Armenia and Azerbaijan. —A little blue Bori v^_^v Takes a strong man to deny... 19:16, 3 November 2020 (UTC)
Jéské Couriano, Oh, I thought it was just random people concerned about Armenia for no reason. I was starting to suspect sockpuppetry. Le Panini (Talk tome?) 23:13, 3 November 2020 (UTC)
There could be sockpuppetry going on but as far as I can tell the increased focus is primarily due to the aforementioned war. The topic area is under ArbCom-authorised discretionary sanctions because of how intense the partisanship is in the topic area - both sides demonise the other and will hear naught else. —A little blue Bori v^_^v Takes a strong man to deny... 23:17, 3 November 2020 (UTC)
Hello, Blaxoul. Those words were inserted by an anonymous contributor two days ago. I agree that they are contrary to Wikipedia's policies, as they are not neutral. I have removed them, and will be warning the editor who inserted them. --ColinFine (talk) 19:55, 3 November 2020 (UTC)

Invisible Comments Appear on Article

Hi, I am currently working on the stub [Radio Australia] as part of a Wikipedia education class. My tutor is Carrolquadrio. Upon viewing my article in visual editor mode, there are a number of invisible comments - I'm not exactly sure what these mean? Also, I would like to get rid of these - is there a way in which I can do this? SM9237 (talk) 10:22, 3 November 2020 (UTC)

 Courtesy link: Commercial Radio Australia
Hi SM9237. It sounds like you might be talking about what are called Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Hidden text. Such comments are only visible to those editing the article and have usually been added to provide guidance to those wanting to edit the article. Is there some reason you want to remove them other than not knowing what they mean?
Is your class one being supported by the Wikipedia:Education program? If it is, then your class should've been assigned a WikiEd advisor and it should have a WikiEd project page. Your WikiEd advisor and your tutor Carrolquadrio are probably not the same person; think of the former as sort of your Wikipedia tutor and the latter as your real world tutor. So, if your tutor hasn't been in contact with anyone at WikiEd, then you might suggest to them that they should. WikiEd can offer lots of guidance to teachers/tutors trying to use Wikipedia as part of a class project. -- Marchjuly (talk) 10:50, 3 November 2020 (UTC)
Marchjuly The unit is supported by WikiEd. Students are asked to use the Teahouse, as well as tutors, when editing. This particular article was different in appearance to what we have covered and hence the question, which I think SM9237 was really asking about what to do more broadly with what appeared, as we don't teach to simply remove items. I am happy to take on the queries from here if this is more appropriate, thanks for your time.--Carrolquadrio (talk) 11:48, 3 November 2020 (UTC)
Hi Carrolquadrio. Thank you for your response. FWIW, I wasn't saying that your students can't seek help at the Teahouse; they are certainly welcome to ask their questions here. I just noticed that this same student asked another question above and in both questions mentioned you as their "tutor" as if that was supposed to mean something to a Teahouse host. I wasn't sure if the student was part of a WikiEd project or working as part of some other class project; so, I just tried to find out a bit more and give the student some general information. -- Marchjuly (talk) 21:45, 3 November 2020 (UTC)
Totally understand your point Marchjuly, thanks for the help.--Carrolquadrio (talk) 06:00, 4 November 2020 (UTC)
I assume this is about Commercial Radio Australia. Its source includes html comments, enclosed in <!-- --> tags. Some of these provide guidance for those working on the article, and one is apparently material which was removed, "commented off", from the article but may still be found useful in some way. You should not delete them without providing a reason why they're no longer relevant. Maproom (talk) 11:51, 3 November 2020 (UTC)
By the way, SM9237 when you want to ping Carrolquadrio, use curly braces rather than straight braces. {{ping|Carrolquadrio}} not [[ping|Carrolquadrio]]. Use straight braces for links. —teb728 t c 12:03, 3 November 2020 (UTC)
Thank you Marchjuly and Maproom for your guidance and advice - I will leave these comments on the page then. SM9237 (talk)

How to add a page / translation?

There is a page on wikipedia in Japanese, and I want to add an English version of the same subject, which is still not ready, and needs to be submitted.

What is required? What are the steps? To submit and get approved first and then to connect pages? Walerikus (talk) 00:23, 4 November 2020 (UTC)

Walerikus, I think you will find this article very helpful. Happy editing and enjoy your stay at the Teahouse! Mr. Heart (talk) 00:33, 4 November 2020 (UTC)
Walerikus, HeartatSchool has, I'm sure with the best of intentions, given you a link to a page about translating into English (and improving) articles in the Wikipedia of another language. For a high percentage of articles in Japanese-language Wikipedia, translation is unsuitable, because the quality of their referencing is very poor. Rather than translating and then looking for references for what you've translated, better to look for reliable sources and work from them. -- Hoary (talk) 06:39, 4 November 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Urgent request

So I have a photo of my own that I upload on my Wikipedia draft but that draft was deleted by Wiki staff, I want that this photo be removed right away from Wikipedia or any Wikipedia website, https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Hugo_Tron.jpg I already sent a request for deletion but I want it to make sure it is deleted, It was me, it is me I have the right to request to be deleted. Waiting reply. HugoTitanTron 07:53, 4 November 2020 (UTC)

HugoTitanTron, per Commons:FAQ#I_have_uploaded_an_image,_can_I_revoke_the_license_later?, it seems you're out of luck. However, this is a questions for Commons (related but different from WP), you can try Commons:Help desk. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 08:39, 4 November 2020 (UTC)
But per Commons:Deletion requests/File:Hugo Tron.jpg, things are looking less bleak. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 09:36, 4 November 2020 (UTC)

The European Common Framework For Languages

I was looking at one of your webpages on The European Common Framework For Languages, it lists all the languages you can take and their equivalents, I wanted to find if A1 French is equivalent to GCSE Foundation level, could you please look on that webpage and answer my question.

Tara 2A00:23C5:3F13:1701:D19D:4732:A9BB:7D8D (talk) 08:59, 4 November 2020 (UTC)

No, because this is a place to ask about how to use Wikipedia. But the "reference desk" caters for such questions. You'd be welcome to ask the same question at Wikipedia:Reference desk/Language. -- Hoary (talk) 09:39, 4 November 2020 (UTC)

Follow-up to

Need a third opinion here Government of the Islamic Republic of Iran


Baratiiman (talk) 07:38, 4 November 2020 (UTC) Baratiiman (talk) 07:38, 4 November 2020 (UTC)

Hello Baratiiman. I do not see any current discussion at Talk:Government of the Islamic Republic of Iran. What are you asking for opinions about? Please read Wikipedia:Third opinion to learn how the formal process works. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 07:47, 4 November 2020 (UTC)
ok thanks i made the discussion now can you give an opinon.Baratiiman (talk) 08:08, 4 November 2020 (UTC)

This is forum-shopping; see Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard#is this vandalism and discussions linked from there. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 10:45, 4 November 2020 (UTC)

Can not access my account - forgot my password

Hi, I previously setup a username and password. I have now subsequently forgotten the password but on trying to reset it it tells me there isn't such username registered. Trying to open a new account with my old username I get told that it is already in use. I have typed the username in correctly. Please assist. 41.13.216.121 (talk) 09:51, 4 November 2020 (UTC)

how do i reply to sender? GuyJohhnyWithGuy (talk) 10:24, 4 November 2020 (UTC)

GJWG - If you have a suggestion, respond here at Teahouse. You could also try the Talk for 41.13.216.121 but that person may not know to check their own Talk. David notMD (talk) 11:31, 4 November 2020 (UTC)

Hello! I’m new and I wanna ask a question

How do you edit pages/make pages here? Thank you and have a nice day!

StevenMilotic Stelotic (talk) 12:00, 4 November 2020 (UTC)

You might start by trying the "Wikipedia adventure. -- Hoary (talk) 13:13, 4 November 2020 (UTC)

Hello! (moved from Teahouse talk page)

Hello everybody! Just wanted to say hi. 😊 Stelotic (talk) 12:02, 4 November 2020 (UTC)

Also btw There is a very recent Typhoon called Siony and is coming to the Philippines. Is there any Wikipedia page for it? Stelotic (talk) 12:11, 4 November 2020 (UTC)

Hello there, Stelotic, and welcome to the Teahouse. I've left a welcome message on your talk page, with a link to Getting Started. I've also moved your question (and deleted the original) because you actually posted on the subpage we use just for managing the Teahouse, rather than within the question forum itself (i.e. this page). I see from the question just above that you did find us yourself, in the end. Great advice from Hoary - you will collect 15 different badges if you complete that interactive tour of Wikipedia. Although we only really answer questions here about how to edit Wikipedia and solve people's editing problems for them, I am happy to answer your question for you this time. It took a little while because it seems the Philippines likes to use a different name from the internationally used typhoon name (Atsani, in this case). So I couldn't find anything about current typhoons at Typhoon Siony - nor would I expect to with an ongoing storm, rather than a past major event. So I found an index page for Typhoon Atsani, which links to the ongoing typhoon in an article about the 2020 Pacific typhoon season, which is, I guess, a logical place to look. On that page you'll see a table of contents which links you to this sub-heading within the article. I suspect it is still an ongoing event, and not every typhoon will merit an article of its own unless it become a really major event. See WP:NOTNEWS to appreciate that Wikipedia reflects what other sources say after the event, rather than reports on single unfolding events as they happen. Nick Moyes (talk) 13:17, 4 November 2020 (UTC)

Questions about new articles for Donato & Niccola de' Medici

I, YourHumbleServant, propose to add two new Wikipedia articles:
Donato di Niccola de' Medici
Niccola di Vieri de' Medici
Since I have not contributed a new article before (I consider myself rather “new” having made a number of simple edits and still learning style and format), I am writing to ask your advice on several points:
• Notability
• Search results
• Begin with a “stub”
• Preference for first article
• Categories
• Seeking a sponsor/adopter
Notability:
The article https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pistoia_Cathedral mentions “Donato de' Medici” twice; it says the picture Madonna Enthroned between St. John the Baptist and St. Donatus “was commissioned from Andrea del Verrocchio by the heirs of Donato de' Medici,” and “next to the entrance is the tomb of Donato de' Medici.” But this webpage does not mention that Donato was Bishop of Pistoia. Wikipedia does not have information linking Donato to the more well-known members of the de’ Medici family, and does not have information about the part he played in the affairs of the Arch-Episcopate of Florence (the Priors of Florence and Cosimo de’ Medici had nominated Donato to be their Archbishop, and he was a co-consecrator of Antonio Forcilioni, O.P. who did became Archbishop instead). See: https://www.catholic-hierarchy.org/bishop/bforc.html and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antoninus_of_Florence Donato was the son of Niccola Niccola was the son of Vieri de’ Medici and is identified as such on: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vieri_de'_Medici; it has a “broken link” Niccola I believe “notability” can be supported by being verifiable through citations to reliable sources. For example, citations to Dizionario Biografico degli Italiani https://www.treccani.it/enciclopedia/nicola-de-medici_(Dizionario-Biografico) as used in https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vieri_de'_Medici, https://www.catholic-hierarchy.org/bishop/bforc.html, Najemy, John. A History of Florence 1200–1575. Malden, Mass. u.a: Blackwell Publishing, 2008, pg. 290, Peterson, David S. (1985). Archbishop Antoninus: Florence and the Church in the Early Fifteenth Century (PhD thesis). Cornell University. pg. 40 (reference given in: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antoninus_of_Florence). and Peterson, David S. "An Episcopal Election in Quattrocento Florence." James Ross Sweeney and Stanley Chodorow, eds. Popes, Teachers, and Canon Law in the Middle Ages. Ithaca: Cornell University Press, 1989, pp. 300-325 I can supply additional high-quality sources. Please let me know if these seem be what is needed to satisfy the notability criteria.
Search results
I searched Wikipedia for both Donato and Niccola and found no articles; I would appreciate a double check of that result from someone more experienced and with (perhaps) more capable tools.

Begin with a “stub”
I propose to start Donato’s article as a stub modeled on: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benozzo_Federighi And to start Niccola’s article as a stub modeled on: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Averardo_de'_Medici Can you suggest a specific stub type the article should use?

Preference for first article
Is there a reason to prefer one page before the other – Donato or Niccola – as my first try?

Categories
For the Donato article I intend to include it in: “15th-century_Roman_Catholic_bishops.” Are there others I should identify?

Seeking a sponsor/adopter
I would be glad to have a sponsor (volunteer editor) who has worked on similar articles. Can you put me in contact with someone? Or otherwise, how can I find an adopter?

I plan to use the Article Wizard to develop my first article in my sandbox – I would be glad to have any suggestions on how to proceed with my development and subsequent submission.

Thank you for your attention and consideration. YourHumbleServant (talk) 11:53, 4 November 2020 (UTC)

Hello, YourHumbleServant, and welcome to the Teahouse. My advice is: determine notability (I'm not looking at your references here), then begin with a draft. Forget about stubs: work it up to a reasonable article (even if it is not complete) and then present it for review - you or others can add to it once it's been accepted. You can start with either, or even work on both at the same time if you wish. Read your first article carefully if you haven't already. --ColinFine (talk) 12:09, 4 November 2020 (UTC)
I second what ColinFine says about stubs. A stub really says "The creator couldn't be bothered to do any real work on this article and instead expected others to do the work for them." The best way I know of for finding mentions in English-language Wikipedia of, say, Niccola di Vieri is to google for "Niccola di Vieri" site:en.wikipedia.org. I hope you realize that Wikipedia articles can't cite other Wikipedia articles. -- Hoary (talk) 13:09, 4 November 2020 (UTC)
Suppose I wanted to do a Google search (of sources excluding Wikipedia) to help me judge whether your proposed subject(s) is/are notable. I'd start by asking whether "Donato di Niccola de' Medici Niccola di Vieri de' Medici" is all one name, or one person known by several names, or several different people. Maproom (talk) 13:25, 4 November 2020 (UTC)

Hello!

I am from One More Voice a noncommercial, open access, strictly educational archive focused on recovering non-European contributions from nineteenth-century British imperial and colonial archives. We want to alert people to resources because our website contains more information and scholarly exchange about the writers. We have been trying to add our website under the "Resources" or "Reference" pages on the Wikipedia page so that there is a source for further reading on the author. What is the best way to go about doing this without getting flagged?

Here is an example of one of the pages were hoping to add as a reference: Selim Aga Awisnicki2 (talk) 15:36, 4 November 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Awisnicki2. Wikipedia is not for promotion - i.e. "telling the world about yourself" - irrespective of whether you are commercial or not, or how worthy you are. In addition, adding links to your own site is regarded as a conflict of interest. What you can do is post an edit request on an article's talk page, explaining how a link to your site would be appropriate according to Wikipedia's policy on external links, and an uninvolved editor will add it if they agree. --ColinFine (talk) 16:14, 4 November 2020 (UTC)

confused

I keep trying to rename my wiki pages, they are sandbox pages because i am new, i looked up how to change the name and i did what it said but i couldn't rename it. i just started making pages yesterday.

thank you. Saiygcsycgisa (talk) 16:17, 4 November 2020 (UTC)

Hi Saiygcsycgisa - as explained at WP:BEFOREMOVING "You are unable to move the page because your account is too new (the account must be autoconfirmed)" - you need to wait 3 more days (a full 96 hours after you created the account) - In the meantime you can ask at WP:REQUESTED MOVES - best wishes - Arjayay (talk) 16:23, 4 November 2020 (UTC)

Cracking The Code To Infinite Knowledge Bruit Force For A.I

What are the rules about giving every combination out for to a TV screen my original screen size was 10x10 biased on black or white pixels. the mathematical formula for the combinations is 10 to the tenth power x 10 to the tenth power of combination for such a small screen biased on black or white pixels. The answer is 1E20 of combinations for that screen possibility's. I wanted to give out the equation for A.I to Look at. I thought it would be cool if I could give out every combination to a large TV screen like 1000000 x 1000000 for A.I to play with every image, and have access to everything that can be seen, and I would like A.I to have to study everything. I understand most is garbled images, but some are true images with information. I am a computer animator, I don't think I should not under any patent laws if the image was random, I'm not sure. I do plan on animation of this equation in Blender, to show everyone, but I will show a super small screen of 4x4 for a total combinations of 64 combinations biased on black or white pixels, to show the idea. I am basically bruit forcing every combination. Thank You for your time reading Harold Burgess Jr Harold Burgess Jr God Of Good Living Things (talk) 16:42, 31 October 2020 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Harold Burgess Jr God Of Good Living Things. I really don't know what you're on about, nor do I care that much, I'm afraid. But this is an encyclopaedia of Notable Things, and not a place to advocate your own ideas, theories or religions. To that effect, I have marked your sandbox for speedy deletion as it has nothing to do with this encyclopaedia. Please either be prepared to contribute to one of the existing 6,000,000 articles of notable topics, or find an alternative idea to promote your, no-doubt, worthy philosophy on life. I apologise if this sounds rude. That was not my intent, but there is no place here for promoting original thought, philosophies or beliefs. Sorry. Nick Moyes (talk) 16:51, 31 October 2020 (UTC)
Welcome to the Teahouse Harold Burgess Jr God Of Good Living Things. I'm a computer scientist who specializes in AI so I think I have some idea what you are asking but as Nick Moyes said this isn't the place to ask those kinds of questions. This forum is for questions about editing Wikipedia articles not for general discussion. If you want to have these kinds of discussions I suggest you try Facebook or Reddit. They have various forums for philosophical discussions that also relate to computer science issues. Also, the Reference Desk is a place to ask specific questions but your question as it currently is stated is so vague it really isn't appropriate for that forum either. BTW, to the extent I understood what you are asking I think you may not be appreciating the combinatorics of the problem you describe. There are many problems in computer science where in theory an optimal solution is possible but in reality to search every option is even theoretically impossible because you end up getting numbers that exceed the total number of atoms in the universe. The "perfect game of chess" is such an example. There is such a game and it could theoretically be discovered by brute force, by evaluating every possible game of chess since the number is finite. But that is an example where the number exceeds the total number of atoms in the universe so there is no way any computer could actually evaluate them all. I think the same thing is true with every possible pixel combination on a screen. And when you talk about "letting AI loose" that isn't the way AI works. There are algorithms and heuristics that are very powerful but you never get good results by just tossing a bunch of data at an algorithm. You have to design a specific algorithm for a given problem. --MadScientistX11 (talk) 03:53, 3 November 2020 (UTC)
The OP doesn't even propose tossing a bunch of data at it. His proposal is to toss a huge bunch of noise at it. Maproom (talk) 17:18, 4 November 2020 (UTC)

Username

Hi, I previously setup a username and password. I have now subsequently forgotten the password but on trying to reset it it tells me there isn't such username registered. Trying to open a new account with my old username I get told that it is already in use. Please assist. 41.3.8.210 (talk) 20:08, 3 November 2020 (UTC)

Are you sure you're spelling the username right, case and all? (Usernames are case-sensitive.) —A little blue Bori v^_^v Takes a strong man to deny... 20:20, 3 November 2020 (UTC)

Yes, the username is correct. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 41.13.232.185 (talk) 05:34, 4 November 2020 (UTC)

Thats no possible. If the reset password system tells you that the username doesnt exist, yet account creation with that exact username fail because it exist, something is broken. Note: I know that some form-autofill software will ocassionaly insert extra chars that cause the username to be different. @OP try resetting the password by entering the email adress, not the username. Victor Schmidt (talk) 06:47, 4 November 2020 (UTC)

That is true. My username doesn't exist if I request the password but once I want to create a new account with my username I get told it already exist. Guys please assist! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 41.13.254.98 (talk) 15:30, 4 November 2020 (UTC)

I repeat myself: Try inserting the email adress you believe is associated with your old account, i.e.
  1. Open Special:PasswordReset in a new tab
  2. Leave the first field (Labeled with "Username:") blank. If something is in there, delete it.
  3. insert the email adress in the second input field
  4. Hit the big red Reset password button.
It would be nice if you would copy the exact error message you get. Alternatively, if you dont mind your username-IP- affliation getting public, you can copy the exact username you create an account for here, including the error message you get. Victor Schmidt (talk) 16:00, 4 November 2020 (UTC)

Firstly; there is no error message if I type in the email address associated with the account and hit the reset button. Nothing happens and I do not receive an email with a reset link or otherwise. Secondly; herewith the error message on trying to create a new account,

Username(help me choose) Ameshoff Username entered already in use. Please choose a different name.

I am out of Ideas. There is a user "Ameshoff", and there is "AmeshoffNaledi". The first one has an email set, the second doesn't. I have requested another password reset for "Ameshoff". If this didn't solve it please do the following: First, there is a limit on the amount of password reset mails. So please wait at least 24 hours before submitting one more password reset request. If that also fails within resonable time amounts, you can only register a new account with a different username. There is not so much of a loss because the old account has only made 33 edits, howewer, I would still recommend that you declare your old accounts name due to WP:SOCK (even if its unlikely that this is a problem). Victor Schmidt (talk) 18:33, 4 November 2020 (UTC)

What's hotter than blue, purple and magenta?

 Ultaorb (talk) 19:38, 2 November 2020 (UTC)

That is a question for you to find out using Google or the WP:REFDESK. This is a forum purely to assist editors with the process of editing. Sorry. Nick Moyes (talk) 19:40, 2 November 2020 (UTC)
I would say white, although this is not a question for the teahouse Firestar9990 (talk) 21:25, 4 November 2020 (UTC)

writers market deluxe edition

Trying to locate who is now publishing/owns Writers Market (after bankrucy 2601:246:900:4E0:B9D8:22E2:F70B:6D6D (talk) 19:13, 4 November 2020 (UTC)

Hi person editing from IP...6D6D This page is for questions about editing Wikipedia. Please consider asking this question at the Reference desk. They specialize in knowledge questions and will try to answer any question in the universe (except how to use Wikipedia, since that is what this forum is for). Just follow the link, select the relevant section, and ask away. You could always try searching Wikipedia for an article related to the topic you want to know more about. I hope this helps.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 19:57, 4 November 2020 (UTC)
The Writer's Market article says Penguin Random House bought them. You can use the encyclopedia to find these answers. TimTempleton (talk) (cont) 23:35, 4 November 2020 (UTC)

One Billion Edits

With Wikipedia fast approaching One Billion edits since it was started, do you have any plans to celebrate? One billion is a Massive number, and is a great milestone.

Also side question: Are questions like this all right to ask? I notice the tearoom is mostly for technical questions, should I try to keep my questions to the technical side of things? Thelockedoctor (talk). 18:21, 4 November 2020 (UTC)

The Teahouse is for any question, and I think we should start planning celebrations and events regarding the billionth edit. Whoever gets the 1 billionth edit might have a few prizes, hopefully the edit isn't vandalism. a gd fan (talk) 18:32, 4 November 2020 (UTC)
Someone should make an updated proposal on this. a gd fan (talk) 19:19, 4 November 2020 (UTC)
Thelockedoctor The Teahouse is for questions about editing WP, but any reasonable newbie-question will often get some sort of guidance. You could try this question at Wikipedia:Village pump (miscellaneous). Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 20:08, 4 November 2020 (UTC)
Gråbergs Gråa Sång Ok, thank you very much! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Thelockedoctor (talk • contribs)
Yes. We should welcome questions that are about Wikipedia even if they are not about how to edit. We also get a lot of general knowledge questions that are more appropriate for the Reference Desk, and this is at least about Wikipedia. Robert McClenon (talk) 23:41, 4 November 2020 (UTC)

Create an article?

How do you create a page again? Severe Weather Lover (talk) 21:18, 4 November 2020 (UTC)

Severe Weather Lover, See WP:MFA S Philbrick(Talk) 23:00, 4 November 2020 (UTC)
Please do not attempt to create an article, Severe Weather Lover. In order to create an article, a range of competencies are required. Your rather short list of contributions to articles so far suggests that although you have good intentions you just casually add stuff as it occurs to you. This isn't how constructing an encyclopedia works. You might try the "Wikipedia Adventure" to familiarize yourself with what's needed. -- Hoary (talk) 23:56, 4 November 2020 (UTC)

Hello

Hello, I am a new editor in English Wikipedia! Well, I was an editor in Turkish wikipedia but due to some reasons (such as this place being more important and getting bored of some things) I decided to move to the English wiki. InshaAllah, I'd like to improve pages about Circassians (they really need some improvement) and translate pages that exist in Turkish wikipedia but not in the English, or add more info via translation. May I learn why I am not allowed to create pages? Also, can you help me navigate? I see some things are different here. Thanks a lot in advance! :) ~𝓐𝓭𝓲𝓰𝓪𝓫𝓻𝓮𝓴~ (Псалъэ) 17:51, 4 November 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Adigabrek, and welcome to the Teahouse. I don't understand why you can't create articles: your account is autoconfirmed: what exactly happens when you try? Having said that, I urge you not to try and create articles directly, but to use the articles for creation process, even when you are translating from tr-wiki. The fact is that different editions of Wikipedia have different policies and criteria: an article that is acceptable in Turkish will not automatically be acceptable in English. Please read translation, and notability. You might find it helpful to read your first article as well. --ColinFine (talk) 18:57, 4 November 2020 (UTC)
ColinFine, it says:

Your translation cannot be published because publishing is only allowed to more experienced editors on this wiki.

~𝓐𝓭𝓲𝓰𝓪𝓫𝓻𝓮𝓴~ (Псалъэ) 21:39, 4 November 2020 (UTC)

@Adigabrek: Publishing from the Content Translation Tool is an extended-confirmed action; I believe that's why you're getting that message. I'm not familiar with the tool, but perhaps you can copy the resulting content and paste it into a draft, and then use the Articles for Creation process linked above. Zindor (talk) 23:01, 4 November 2020 (UTC)
The use of the tool has been restricted to extended-confirmed editors because machine translation is an iffy business and needs to be overseen by a reasonably experienced human who is not only fluent in English but is familiar with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines, especially verifiability. The translation of references is error-prone, and the quality of automated translation between languages is extremely variable. Sometimes it is very good, and sometimes it is terrible. Robert McClenon (talk) 03:59, 5 November 2020 (UTC)

HELP with edits

I am trying to get edit updates but every time i try a certain edior seems to keep making things harder for me. I am new at this and have a conflict of interest and need edits bio added and citations i have sources can anyone please hilp i have met the wikipidia guidlines as payed editor i am only requesting help for edits on https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicole_Couch see talk page I think i an requesting correctly there was nio maintenance box and as i try to request updates i get one as soon as i comply then he adds different boxes. can someone please help me i am trying to do in good faith and by wikipedia guidelines i am new at this and due to conflict of interest i can only request now this editor is saying the article will be deleted if not sourced please help Philip H Taylor (talk) 20:28, 1 November 2020 (UTC) Philip H Taylor (talk) 20:28, 1 November 2020 (UTC)

You have now put your Paid relationship to Nicole Couch (and others) on your User page. David notMD (talk) 20:53, 1 November 2020 (UTC)
Yes I was instructed to add to my talk page to meet wikipedia guidlines and have requested edits on the artists talk page as instructed to Philip H Taylor (talk) 20:55, 1 November 2020 (UTC)
Then you have done the correct thing (versus doing any direct edits to the article (which is why those were reversed)). The next step in the process is for a not-connected editor to look at your proposed changes and either implement, or not. Nothing for you to do but wait. David notMD (talk) 20:59, 1 November 2020 (UTC)
Thank you. some sources are in forign language and it wont let me share the translated link. this article i did not create it is years old. I was only needing it updated they will not delete the article? Philip H Taylor (talk) 21:06, 1 November 2020 (UTC) David notMD (talk) they deleted the article Philip H Taylor (talk) 05:50, 2 November 2020 (UTC)
The article has not been nominated for deletion. If that happens (unlikely), a new tag will be added to the article, directing interested parties to the deletion nomination. If you add the article to your Watch list you will see the article as having a new edit from the last time you logged in. David notMD (talk) 22:04, 1 November 2020 (UTC)
@Philip H Taylor: I'm sorry to be blunt with you. But if you are being paid to edit Wikipedia on someone's behalf, you need to already have become competent in editing and understanding how Wikipedia works. We are not here to help you earn money -unlike you, we are all volunteers. So, if, as you say, you "are new to this", I would politely suggest you go away and learn how we work before seeking help and support from this forum. A good start for you would be WP:TWA and WP:YFA. I have redirected the page to Phantom Blue. Kind regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 00:41, 2 November 2020 (UTC)

Nick Moyes (talk) i am not and have never been paid to do edits I was doing as a favor the page was created years ago I was told to add paid edits as I am her manager I DO NOT GET PAID please un delete her article Philip H Taylor (talk) 05:50, 2 November 2020 (UTC)

By your words, you are her manager. Thus, you editing her article can be considered you editing as part of your job, meaning you must still disclose. —A little blue Bori v^_^v Takes a strong man to deny... 06:19, 2 November 2020 (UTC)
ALL we wanted originally was her pic added. no worries delete my account I have screen shot EVERYTHING and ALL comments I will be turning this matter over to my lawfirm. See wikipedia in vcourt if this article is not un deleted. we will also have our Law firm go through every artist and label and have the courts have wikipedia speedy delete ebery article that is not up to your so call standard see you in court now delete or /and block this user account as I have copied and printed everything for our lawyers. I do not care if we lose I will drag this out until your broke. Good day idiot Philip H Taylor (talk) 06:34, 2 November 2020 (UTC)
Please read WP:NLT. I suggest that you immediately retract that legal threat before you are blocked. Meters (talk) 07:02, 2 November 2020 (UTC)
Blocked by CaptainEek per ANI report. JavaHurricane 07:20, 2 November 2020 (UTC)
That did not go well. David notMD (talk) 11:27, 2 November 2020 (UTC)
It's funny how people claiming to have teams of lawyers on call and so on are usually illiterate. EEng 11:54, 2 November 2020 (UTC)
Uncalled for, and you should retract. David notMD (talk) 12:28, 2 November 2020 (UTC)
I retract.
You're right. I should have said semiliterates. EEng 17:32, 2 November 2020 (UTC)
Any good-faith editor has the privilege of going through our six million articles and requesting that any of them that do not satisfy our policies and guidelines be deleted. An editor who makes legal threats is not an editor in good standing while they are blocked. Also, our policies and guidelines provide criteria for when when articles should be deleted, and our policies and guidelines also provide procedures for trying to work with editors who do not agree with us about what needs to be deleted. One of the responsibilities of a New Page reviewer is to decide what should be considered for deletion how,and I recall occasional discussions at WP:ANI about deletion. But this editor is not in good standing. Robert McClenon (talk) 18:11, 2 November 2020 (UTC)
I've been staring at this stupid mirror gif for an hour now. Le Panini (Talk tome?) 17:20, 3 November 2020 (UTC)
You are getting sleepy ... SLEEEEPY! EEng 04:01, 5 November 2020 (UTC)

Topic

hi give me an example on wikipedia for project GuyJohhnyWithGuy (talk) 04:30, 5 November 2020 (UTC)

i mean topic GuyJohhnyWithGuy (talk) 04:31, 5 November 2020 (UTC)

Nobody here knows what interests you. Find a shortcoming in an article on a subject that interests you, and fix it, specifying the reliable, independent, published information that you are basing your edit on. But maybe before that try the "Wikipedia adventure". Incidentally, you'll have to use capital letters and punctuation where appropriate; if you don't like doing this, then editing isn't for you. -- Hoary (talk) 06:20, 5 November 2020 (UTC)

please help me to write an article on an educational institution

Please help me with... sir my question is ,I want to create a page on an educational institution by name EDUCATE BHAARATH, and i have seen the guidelines to create an article on universities and etc. where to upload my article is it on afc or any other? and please also tell about references and notability aspect . i created a sample in my sandbox. Sriramnivas6121 (talk) 09:32, 5 November 2020 (UTC)

Sriramnivas6121 Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Yes, you may use Articles for Creation to submit a draft. However, if you were to submit the text that is in your sandbox, it would be rejected quickly and possibly deleted, as it reads as a promotional text for the organization, and is sourced to nothing but the organization's website. A Wikipedia article must summarize what independent reliable sources with significant coverage have chosen on their own to say about an organization, showing how it meets the special Wikipedia definition of a notable organization. Wikipedia is not interested in what the organization wants to say about itself, only in what others completely unconnected with the organization have chosen to say about it. Primary sources are acceptable in certain circumstances, but cannot be used to establish notability. Please see Your First Article for more information; you may also wish to use the new user tutorial to learn more about Wikipedia.
I get the sense that you may have an association with this organization; if so, please review conflict of interest and paid editing. 331dot (talk) 09:46, 5 November 2020 (UTC)

I need help with this draft

 a gd fan (talk) 17:57, 4 November 2020 (UTC)

Hello, a gd fan. What help is it you need? One suggestion is to look at your sources. Blogs are hardly ever regarded as reliable sources; and from the title I guessed that "ncpedia" was probably a user-generated wiki, and so not acceptable. Actually, it looks as if it is a reliable source, so I urge you to format the reference following REFB, to make it clearer what kind of publication this is. --ColinFine (talk) 19:02, 4 November 2020 (UTC)
NCPEDIA is a blog? a gd fan (talk) 19:06, 4 November 2020 (UTC)
GeometryDashFan12 No, but WP:USERGENERATED, see [11]. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 20:02, 4 November 2020 (UTC)
GeometryDashFan12, I actually meant that the first reference was a blog, and the second was NCpedia. Looking at Ncpedia I thought it looked as if it was under editorial control and would be reliable, but GGS has shown that it is not. --ColinFine (talk) 10:46, 5 November 2020 (UTC)

Undeletion of Mary M. Wigg

Can someone please undelete the draft as we have new validated third party references as newspaper articles from her career? Artcadet (talk) 10:54, 5 November 2020 (UTC)

Artcadet Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. To request undeletion, please visit WP:REFUND. 331dot (talk) 10:55, 5 November 2020 (UTC)
Artcadet Draft:Mary M. Wigg was deleted by Jimfbleak as a copyright violation. Wikipedia cannot access text directly copied, it needs to be in your own words. And admins (of which I'm not one) won't restore copyright violations- just create a new draft writing in your own words. Joseph2302 (talk) 11:01, 5 November 2020 (UTC)

As user:331dot I've made a request for undeletion as not a violation of copywright. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Artcadet (talk • contribs) 11:21, 5 November 2020 (UTC)

How to reply

I might seem kind of dumb but I don't know much about wikimarkup so how do I reply to other replys on the help page? TappyTurtle13 (talk) 02:23, 5 November 2020 (UTC)

Here's a couple ways how to reply.
1. Put a : before your reply. This will make an indent.
2. Put {{Reply to|}} before your reply. After the | symbol, put the username you want to reply to, like this: {{Reply to|TappyTurtle13}}, which will display as @TappyTurtle13: (you will receive a notification for doing this, like you just did.
3. You can combine these two, like this: :{{Reply to|TappyTurtle13}}, which will indent your response and send the user your replying to a notification.
Hope this helps! Le Panini (Talk tome?) 02:46, 5 November 2020 (UTC)
Talk pages and user pages aside, concentrate on improving articles. As preparation for this, take the "Wikipedia adventure". -- Hoary (talk) 02:51, 5 November 2020 (UTC)

@Hoary: Thank you! (If you see this, it works) - TappyTurtle13 (talk) 12:32, 5 November 2020 (UTC)

Whoops! Here's another thing:
The Nowiki template (<nowiki></nowiki>) is to show the coding of a template without it functioning; I'll use door as an example.
[[Door]] will show Door.
If you put the nowiki template around it, instead of Door, it will show [[Door]] (If its confusing, click edit and look at the coding).
When replying, don't put the <nowiki></nowiki> template, like this: @TappyTurtle13: (If its confusing, click edit and look at the coding. You'll get a notification for this too.) Le Panini (Talk tome?) 12:30, 5 November 2020 (UTC)

@Hoary: Yeah, I noticed that while trying to reply. Again, thanks!- TappyTurtle13 (talk) 13:07, 5 November 2020 (UTC)

Submitting a draft for review

I have finished editing my draft but I can not find where to submit for review to be added to wikipedia.

Please instruct me where I go. thank you Waarmo (talk) 13:03, 5 November 2020 (UTC)

I've submitted your draft for review. For future reference, go to Wikipedia:Articles for creation/Submitting and follow the simple instructions. Le Panini (Talk tome?) 13:13, 5 November 2020 (UTC)

IPA translation

How do I make an IPA translation? NonPopularPerson (talk) 13:54, 5 November 2020 (UTC)

Use the Template:IPA. Visit Template:IPA/doc for more information. 
{{IPA-add language here|add the IPA translation here}}
For example, Rajesh Hamal would be 
{{IPA-ne|raˈdzes ɦʌˈmal}}
~~ CAPTAIN MEDUSAtalk 14:07, 5 November 2020 (UTC)

Publish button

Hello! I accidentally deleted the publish button on my draft. How do I republish it? NonPopularPerson (talk) 14:35, 5 November 2020 (UTC)

Hello and welcome. I think you are referring to the submit button; I have restored it to your draft. I would advise you to not submit the draft at this time, as you have no independent reliable sources with significant coverage of this meme. Please read Your First Article for more information. 331dot (talk) 14:50, 5 November 2020 (UTC)
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