Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 June 2
June 2
[edit]Category:16th- and 17th-century warrior types
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- The result of the discussion was: merge (non-admin closure) HouseBlaster (talk · he/they) 21:59, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
- Propose merging Category:16th- and 17th-century warrior types to Category:Combat occupations
- Propose merging Category:18th- and 19th-century warrior types to Category:Combat occupations
- Nominator's rationale: merge, the two categories largely overlap. Possibly create a new Category:Combat occupations of the early modern period as the merge target. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:40, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
- Merge both. Abhishek0831996 (talk) 04:24, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
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Category:12th-century Spanish sculptors
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- The result of the discussion was: merge (non-admin closure) HouseBlaster (talk · he/they) 21:59, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
- Propose merging Category:12th-century Spanish sculptors to Category:Medieval Spanish sculptors and Category:12th-century sculptors
- Propose merging Category:10th-century Spanish artists to Category:Medieval Spanish artists and Category:10th-century artists
- Nominator's rationale: Duel upmerge for now. There are isolated categories with a single person in it Mason (talk) 19:28, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:43, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. One rarely gets sculptors' names at this period. Johnbod (talk) 02:32, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Earthquakes in the Umayyad Caliphate
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- The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) HouseBlaster (talk · he/they) 21:59, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: 1 P. NLeeuw (talk) 19:02, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
- Just delete, the article is already in Category:740s in the Umayyad Caliphate. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:45, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
- That also works. NLeeuw (talk) 21:00, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Drake–Kendrick Lamar feud
[edit]Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 June 9#Category:Drake–Kendrick Lamar feud
Category:Government of the Seljuk Empire
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- The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) HouseBlaster (talk · he/they) 22:02, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
- Propose merging Category:Government of the Seljuk Empire to Category:Seljuk Empire
- Nominator's rationale: Redundant layer. NLeeuw (talk) 18:57, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
- Just delete, the subcategory is already in Category:People from the Seljuk Empire. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:46, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
- Quite right. NLeeuw (talk) 21:00, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Government of the Aq Qoyunlu
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- The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) HouseBlaster (talk · he/they) 22:02, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
- Propose merging Category:Government of the Aq Qoyunlu to Category:Aq Qoyunlu
- Nominator's rationale: Redundant layer. NLeeuw (talk) 18:56, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
- Just delete, the subcategory is already in Category:People under the Aq Qoyunlu. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:48, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
- Gotcha. NLeeuw (talk) 21:02, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Government of the Ghaznavid Empire
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- The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) HouseBlaster (talk · he/they) 22:02, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
- Propose merging Category:Government of the Ghaznavid Empire to Category:Ghaznavid Empire
- Nominator's rationale: Redundant layer. NLeeuw (talk) 18:56, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
- Just delete, the subcategory is already in Category:People from the Ghaznavid Empire. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:49, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Government of the Timurid Empire
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- The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) HouseBlaster (talk · he/they) 22:03, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
- Propose merging Category:Government of the Timurid Empire to Category:Timurid Empire
- Nominator's rationale: Redundant layer. NLeeuw (talk) 18:55, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
- Just delete, the subcategory is already in Category:People from the Timurid Empire. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:50, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
- Yes. NLeeuw (talk) 21:01, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
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Pretenders part 1
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- The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:Pretenders. (non-admin closure) HouseBlaster (talk · he/they) 22:10, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
- Propose upmerging...
- Category:Pretenders to the Austrian throne (4 P)
- Category:Pretenders to the Bavarian throne (4 P)
- Category:Pretenders to the German throne (4 P)
- Category:Pretenders to the Greek throne (3 P)
- Category:Pretenders to the Iraqi throne (3 P)
- Category:Pretenders to the Italian throne (4 P)
- Category:Pretenders to the Laotian throne (3 P)
- Category:Pretenders to the Libyan throne (3 P)
- Category:Pretenders to the throne of Morocco (3 P)
- Category:Pretenders to the throne of the Mughal Empire (2 P)
- Category:Pretenders to the Rwandan throne (2 P)
- Category:Pretenders to the throne of Schaumburg-Lippe (4 P)
- Category:Pretenders to the Schwarzburg thrones (4 P)
- Category:Pretenders to the Sicilian throne (2 P)
- Category:Pretenders to the throne of Sikkim (1 P)
- Category:Claimants of the Sultanate of Sulu throne (3 P)
- Category:Pretenders to the throne of Zanzibar (1 P)
- ...to Category:Pretenders for now.
- Nominator's rationale: WP:MFN. All these cats have fewer than 5 articles in them, and therefore hardly aid navigation. I am preparing other discussions on lists and categories of pretenders (see User:Nederlandse Leeuw/Line of succession to the former X throne), but this is an easy first step. NLeeuw (talk) 18:29, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. Omnis Scientia (talk) 21:42, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. 66.99.15.163 (talk) 15:06, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. Omnis Scientia (talk) 21:42, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
- Merge for now, these are not currently not helpful for navigation. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:52, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
- Merge for all the reasons listed. Mason (talk) 01:12, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
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Category:20th-century Spanish Roman Catholics
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- The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) HouseBlaster (talk · he/they) 22:13, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: Isolated category Mason (talk) 18:03, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support in principle, but add subCategory:Martyrs of the Spanish Civil War under Category:Spanish Roman Catholics. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:57, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
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Category:12th-century Arab historians
[edit]Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 June 9#Category:12th-century Arab historians
Category:Painters of the Holy Land pre-1948
[edit]Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 June 12#Category:Painters of the Holy Land pre-1948
Category:Former high schools in Tokyo
[edit]Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 June 9#Category:Former high schools in Tokyo
Category:Legendary creatures
[edit]Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 June 12#Category:Legendary creatures
Category:Male ghosts
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- The result of the discussion was: keep. (non-admin closure) HouseBlaster (talk · he/they) 22:09, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: delete per WP:OCEGRS, trivial intersection with gender. Merging is not necessary, the single article is already in Category:Asian ghosts. Marcocapelle (talk) 11:56, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support per nom. And I would also support containerizing Category:Female ghosts, to discourage gendering individual ghosts Mason (talk) 14:58, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
- Good idea, I have added that. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:15, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support per nom. And I would also support containerizing Category:Female ghosts, to discourage gendering individual ghosts Mason (talk) 14:58, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose Splitting by gender is not trivial for living people, fictional characters, mythological figures or folklore figures. It's the simplest most commonplace way to difuse categories, and gender has and continues to have defining impact on all humans and all reflections of humans in culture.★Trekker (talk) 08:48, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose deleting/containerizing for these same reasons. Gender is a useful distinction for categories about real people, fictional characters, and mythical figures alike. AHI-3000 (talk) 01:40, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
- Keep per StarTrekker. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 02:26, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
- Keep per discussion, spookily defining. Both categories are well stocked (especially the female ghosts) and informative to readers interested in the topic. Randy Kryn (talk) 09:10, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose Gender is a defining aspect of the topic. There are many variations of the White Lady ghost, and specific reports of ghostly nuns. Dimadick (talk) 13:44, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
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Category:People educated at Skerry's College
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- The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) HouseBlaster (talk · he/they) 22:12, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: Non-defining. Skerry's College wasn't an individual college, it was a series of courses that preped you for the civil servants examine. Mason (talk) 04:10, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Omnis Scientia (talk) 14:29, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:09, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
- Keep Highly defining and probably too thinly populated. That Skerry's College was a commercial chain of schools, plus early distance learning, is neither here nor there. For working class people it was one of very few options for post-schoool education available in the UK at the time, & a key element of the biographies of the working-class heroes in the category. Johnbod (talk) 21:46, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
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Category:British LGBT civil servants
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- The result of the discussion was: manual merge. (non-admin closure) HouseBlaster (talk · he/they) 22:11, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
- Propose merging Category:British LGBT civil servants to Category:British civil servants
- Nominator's rationale: Non-defining intersection between being LGBT and being a civil servant. Per EGRS, the intersection must be relevant. Notably, there isn't a LGBT civil servant category. Mason (talk) 04:06, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
- Manually merge, a number of articles are already deeper in the tree of Category:British civil servants, e.g. diplomats or MI5. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:14, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
- Manually merge per Marco. Omnis Scientia (talk) 19:06, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Rhythm games
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- The result of the discussion was: keep. Nominator requested withdrawal. (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 03:03, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
- Propose merging Category:Rhythm games to Category:Music video games
- Nominator's rationale: Some may not agree with me but there are several reasons I have for this merge. First of all, many video games labeled as a rhythm game in their articles are instead located in Category:Music video games, and now especially since I recently removed all subcategories in this category except for Rhythmic action games. Secondly, the five languages that this category is also in (please ignore the French version since it has over a hundred articles but was created over a decade ago unlike the English version) have only a few articles in each one. Finally, rhythm game and music game may be different things, but the category for music video games as whole contains subcategories for various types of music game, often distinct from rhythm games, such as Karaoke or Dance games. QuantumFoam66 (talk) 04:06, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose, I can't really see a problem here, neither of the three arguments is convincing. If many articles about rhythm games are not in this category yet, they should be added. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:21, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose Rhythm games are a distinct genre unto themselves with their own article separate from music games. Not all music games are rhythm based. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 16:32, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
- Speedy close, I guess this didn't really mean anything at the end. My bad. QuantumFoam66 (talk) 18:19, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
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Video games about undead and monsters
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- The result of the discussion was: keep. (non-admin closure) HouseBlaster (talk · he/they) 22:04, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
- Propose merging Category:Video games about undead to Category:Video games about legendary creatures
- Propose merging Category:Video games about monsters to Category:Video games about legendary creatures
- Nominator's rationale: I honestly want the category Video games about legendary creatures to be reverted, neither category alone is very populated in either way. QuantumFoam66 (talk) 03:25, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose for same reasons given below. Also you should've notified me about this too. AHI-3000 (talk) 19:26, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose, this would remove the content from the tree of Category:Undead in popular culture and Category:Fiction about monsters respectively, with no good reason for it. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:25, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose Because you "want" something is not an argument. And subcategories that are populated still means the parent category is populated, unless it's a non-defining intersection. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 16:29, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Federation of Asian Muaythai Associations member associations
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- The result of the discussion was: merge/delete as nominated. (non-admin closure) HouseBlaster (talk · he/they) 22:04, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
- Propose deleting Category:Federation of Asian Muaythai Associations (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:National members of International Federation of Muaythai Associations (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose merging Category:Federation of Asian Muaythai Associations member associations to Category:International Federation of Muaythai Associations
- Nominator's rationale: Upmerge. Multiple redundant category layers Mason (talk) 02:45, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:27, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Music series
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- The result of the discussion was: rename (non-admin closure) HouseBlaster (talk · he/they) 22:05, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
- Propose renaming Category:Music series to Category:Music (video game series)
- Nominator's rationale: So it is a video game series titled "Music". "Music series" is a bit to board i think. QuantumFoam66 (talk) 01:54, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
- Rename, this needs a disambiguator, article Music (video game) contains a disambiguator too. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:29, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support Per reasoning of the nominator. That's what the series article would be called if there was one. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 16:30, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Rota (island)
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- The result of the discussion was: rename (non-admin closure) HouseBlaster (talk · he/they) 22:05, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
- Propose renaming Category:Rota (island) to Category:Rota, Northern Mariana Islands
- Nominator's rationale: To match article name - moved due to recent consensus that WP:USPLACE covers U.S. territories. -- Beland (talk) 06:17, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
- WP:USPLACE does not apply to islands, does it? Marcocapelle (talk) 06:51, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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- Speedy rename per WP:C2D: Rota, Northern Mariana Islands. NLeeuw (talk) 18:48, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Tinian
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- The result of the discussion was: rename (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 16:03, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
- Propose renaming Category:Tinian to Category:Tinian, Northern Mariana Islands
- Nominator's rationale: To match article name, which was changed per recent consensus that WP:USPLACE applies to U.S. territories. -- Beland (talk) 06:26, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
- WP:USPLACE does not apply to islands, does it? Marcocapelle (talk) 06:51, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Marcocapelle, I believe it does. See Category:San Juan, Puerto Rico and Category:Hagåtña, Guam. Omnis Scientia (talk) 10:13, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
- That said Pago Pago, American Samoa and Category:Pago Pago don't match either. Omnis Scientia (talk) 10:19, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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- Rename per nom; consensus is that USPLACE does apply to territories. HouseBlaster (talk · he/they) 23:49, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Saipan
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- The result of the discussion was: rename (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 16:03, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
- Propose renaming Category:Saipan to Category:Saipan, Northern Mariana Islands
- Nominator's rationale: To match the article name, which was just changed because of recent consensus that WP:USPLACE applies to U.S. territories. -- Beland (talk) 06:47, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
- WP:USPLACE does not apply to islands, does it? Besides articles about towns on Saipan are formatted as "town, Saipan", not as "town, Northern Mariana Islands". Marcocapelle (talk) 06:48, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, HouseBlaster (talk · he/him) 00:27, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
- Rename per nom; consensus is that USPLACE does apply to territories. HouseBlaster (talk · he/they) 23:49, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Sexuality-related controversies in film
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- The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:Film controversies. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 16:05, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: After purging, there is a single member of the category (Roman Polanski sexual abuse case). Upmerge to parents for now without prejudice against recreation if it can be appropriately populated. HouseBlaster (talk · he/him) 00:14, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support in principle, per nom, but I think that Category:Obscenity controversies in film is not a good place for the article. That category seems about what happens in films. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:33, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
- Fine with a single merge to Category:Film controversies. HouseBlaster (talk · he/they) 23:49, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose "purging" before the nom. I agree with Marco that the Polanski article should not be in any "film" category. I took a look at Category:Obscenity controversies in film, and someone has been wildly over-categorising. I removed the first four films I looked at (see my history) - there might or might not have been "obscenity" in the films, but there was no trace of a controversy over that. Also there was a lot of double-booking with Category:Film controversies. I find it hard to believe we could not populate a Category:Sexuality-related controversies in film but now it is all but empty I can't tell. What has been going on? Johnbod (talk) 02:21, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
- For information, the purging of the nominated category was the result of this earlier discussion. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:02, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
- @Johnbod: the idea is that these categories should not contain articles about films which are involved in controversies, but articles about film controversies themselves. (And I should've been more clear in the nomination that the purging was as a result of a CfD, not something I undertook on my own.) HouseBlaster (talk · he/they) 23:49, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
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