Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 December 21
December 21
[edit]Category:Military aircraft of World War I
[edit]- The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
- The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure). ~/Bunnypranav:<ping> 08:05, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: Header note on the category reads "Most articles about aircraft types that were used in World War I are in one of the 1910–1919 (first flight) categories listed below." - thereby acknoloedging that this is incomplete and is apparently intended to be so. Furthermore, this is one of the "performers by performance" type categories that are discouraged - we generally try not to categorise in this manner, because it can lead to very lengthy category sections for what are, sometimes questionably, defining characteristics (to give an example, is the Grumman F-9 Cougar, for instance, defined by the fact TF-9Js operated briefly in Vietnam?).
- If kept, this should be thoroughly expanded to include all of the relevant types within it. The Bushranger One ping only 23:41, 21 December 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 13:00, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
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Category:American Profanity
[edit]- The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
- The result of the discussion was: delete. Liz Read! Talk! 22:53, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: Per above, creator seems confused about what categories are for. Remsense ‥ 论 19:00, 21 December 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per WP:ARBITRARYCAT. Other categories are sufficient, and as a European I can confirm that this vocabulary is not exclusively American. NLeeuw (talk) 01:33, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
- Delete, Category:English profanity already exists for the English language (including American English). Marcocapelle (talk) 13:06, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. Creator obviously thought Category:English profanity meant English in the sense of "in England" — but it's actually referring to the English language, so there's no need for a separate "American" category here. Bearcat (talk) 15:09, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
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Category:197 Countries World
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- The result of the discussion was: delete. Liz Read! Talk! 22:52, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: Creator seems confused about the purpose of categories, apparent idea totally redundant. Remsense ‥ 论 18:57, 21 December 2024 (UTC)
- Delete as redundant to Category:Countries, given the category description of
These are the Countries of the World
. Belbury (talk) 09:22, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
- Delete as redundant to Category:Countries, given the category description of
- Comment This is an empty category. It could have been tagged CSD C1. Liz Read! Talk! 09:51, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
- @Liz: It wasn't empty at the time of nomination. The creator had added South Africa to the category which was reverted by another uninolved-here editor. - The Bushranger One ping only 20:52, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per Belbury. Marcocapelle (talk) 13:07, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
- Delete apparently redundant. ArvindPalaskar (talk) 04:02, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Electric power in Syria
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- The result of the discussion was: Keep * Pppery * it has begun... 20:34, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
- Propose renaming Category:Electric power in Syria to Category:Electricity in Syria
- Nominator's rationale: Main article is Electricity in Syria Chidgk1 (talk) 16:37, 21 December 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose, all countries have the current format (see Category:Electric power by country) and there is no specific reason why Syria should deviate. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:15, 21 December 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose. While it's generally good to have category names follow the "lead article" name, it's not required, and as mentioned the entire rest of the tree is at "Electric power in X". (Note also the main article for this category was created today.) - The Bushranger One ping only 01:30, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
- Fwiw, the articles are often named "electricity sector of country" so I have proposed to rename the Syrian article likewise. Marcocapelle (talk) 13:18, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
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ESC/JESC entrant categories
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- The result of the discussion was: delete. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 22:49, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
- Propose deleting Category:Eurovision Song Contest entrants by country (and all subcategories; listed below)
- Category:Eurovision Song Contest entrants for Albania
- Category:Eurovision Song Contest entrants for Andorra
- Category:Eurovision Song Contest entrants for Armenia
- Category:Eurovision Song Contest entrants for Australia
- Category:Eurovision Song Contest entrants for Austria
- Category:Eurovision Song Contest entrants for Azerbaijan
- Category:Eurovision Song Contest entrants for Belarus
- Category:Eurovision Song Contest entrants for Belgium
- Category:Eurovision Song Contest entrants for Bosnia and Herzegovina
- Category:Eurovision Song Contest entrants for Bulgaria
- Category:Eurovision Song Contest entrants for Croatia
- Category:Eurovision Song Contest entrants for Cyprus
- Category:Eurovision Song Contest entrants for the Czech Republic
- Category:Eurovision Song Contest entrants for Denmark
- Category:Eurovision Song Contest entrants for Estonia
- Category:Eurovision Song Contest entrants for Finland
- Category:Eurovision Song Contest entrants for France
- Category:Eurovision Song Contest entrants for Georgia (country)
- Category:Eurovision Song Contest entrants for Germany
- Category:Eurovision Song Contest entrants for Greece
- Category:Eurovision Song Contest entrants for Hungary
- Category:Eurovision Song Contest entrants for Iceland
- Category:Eurovision Song Contest entrants for Ireland
- Category:Eurovision Song Contest entrants for Israel
- Category:Eurovision Song Contest entrants for Italy
- Category:Eurovision Song Contest entrants for Latvia
- Category:Eurovision Song Contest entrants for Lithuania
- Category:Eurovision Song Contest entrants for Luxembourg
- Category:Eurovision Song Contest entrants for Malta
- Category:Eurovision Song Contest entrants for Moldova
- Category:Eurovision Song Contest entrants for Monaco
- Category:Eurovision Song Contest entrants for Montenegro
- Category:Eurovision Song Contest entrants for the Netherlands
- Category:Eurovision Song Contest entrants for North Macedonia
- Category:Eurovision Song Contest entrants for Norway
- Category:Eurovision Song Contest entrants for Poland
- Category:Eurovision Song Contest entrants for Portugal
- Category:Eurovision Song Contest entrants for Romania
- Category:Eurovision Song Contest entrants for Russia
- Category:Eurovision Song Contest entrants for San Marino
- Category:Eurovision Song Contest entrants for Serbia and Montenegro
- Category:Eurovision Song Contest entrants for Serbia
- Category:Eurovision Song Contest entrants for Slovakia
- Category:Eurovision Song Contest entrants for Slovenia
- Category:Eurovision Song Contest entrants for Spain
- Category:Eurovision Song Contest entrants for Sweden
- Category:Eurovision Song Contest entrants for Switzerland
- Category:Eurovision Song Contest entrants for Turkey
- Category:Eurovision Song Contest entrants for Ukraine
- Category:Eurovision Song Contest entrants for the United Kingdom
- Category:Eurovision Song Contest entrants for Yugoslavia
- Propose deleting Category:Eurovision Song Contest entrants by year (and all subcategories; listed below)
- Category:Eurovision Song Contest entrants of 1956
- Category:Eurovision Song Contest entrants of 1957
- Category:Eurovision Song Contest entrants of 1958
- Category:Eurovision Song Contest entrants of 1959
- Category:Eurovision Song Contest entrants of 1960
- Category:Eurovision Song Contest entrants of 1961
- Category:Eurovision Song Contest entrants of 1962
- Category:Eurovision Song Contest entrants of 1963
- Category:Eurovision Song Contest entrants of 1964
- Category:Eurovision Song Contest entrants of 1965
- Category:Eurovision Song Contest entrants of 1966
- Category:Eurovision Song Contest entrants of 1967
- Category:Eurovision Song Contest entrants of 1968
- Category:Eurovision Song Contest entrants of 1969
- Category:Eurovision Song Contest entrants of 1970
- Category:Eurovision Song Contest entrants of 1971
- Category:Eurovision Song Contest entrants of 1972
- Category:Eurovision Song Contest entrants of 1973
- Category:Eurovision Song Contest entrants of 1974
- Category:Eurovision Song Contest entrants of 1975
- Category:Eurovision Song Contest entrants of 1976
- Category:Eurovision Song Contest entrants of 1977
- Category:Eurovision Song Contest entrants of 1978
- Category:Eurovision Song Contest entrants of 1979
- Category:Eurovision Song Contest entrants of 1980
- Category:Eurovision Song Contest entrants of 1981
- Category:Eurovision Song Contest entrants of 1982
- Category:Eurovision Song Contest entrants of 1983
- Category:Eurovision Song Contest entrants of 1984
- Category:Eurovision Song Contest entrants of 1985
- Category:Eurovision Song Contest entrants of 1986
- Category:Eurovision Song Contest entrants of 1987
- Category:Eurovision Song Contest entrants of 1988
- Category:Eurovision Song Contest entrants of 1989
- Category:Eurovision Song Contest entrants of 1990
- Category:Eurovision Song Contest entrants of 1991
- Category:Eurovision Song Contest entrants of 1992
- Category:Eurovision Song Contest entrants of 1993
- Category:Eurovision Song Contest entrants of 1994
- Category:Eurovision Song Contest entrants of 1995
- Category:Eurovision Song Contest entrants of 1996
- Category:Eurovision Song Contest entrants of 1997
- Category:Eurovision Song Contest entrants of 1998
- Category:Eurovision Song Contest entrants of 1999
- Category:Eurovision Song Contest entrants of 2000
- Category:Eurovision Song Contest entrants of 2001
- Category:Eurovision Song Contest entrants of 2002
- Category:Eurovision Song Contest entrants of 2003
- Category:Eurovision Song Contest entrants of 2004
- Category:Eurovision Song Contest entrants of 2005
- Category:Eurovision Song Contest entrants of 2006
- Category:Eurovision Song Contest entrants of 2007
- Category:Eurovision Song Contest entrants of 2008
- Category:Eurovision Song Contest entrants of 2009
- Category:Eurovision Song Contest entrants of 2010
- Category:Eurovision Song Contest entrants of 2011
- Category:Eurovision Song Contest entrants of 2012
- Category:Eurovision Song Contest entrants of 2013
- Category:Eurovision Song Contest entrants of 2014
- Category:Eurovision Song Contest entrants of 2015
- Category:Eurovision Song Contest entrants of 2016
- Category:Eurovision Song Contest entrants of 2017
- Category:Eurovision Song Contest entrants of 2018
- Category:Eurovision Song Contest entrants of 2019
- Category:Eurovision Song Contest entrants of 2020
- Category:Eurovision Song Contest entrants of 2021
- Category:Eurovision Song Contest entrants of 2022
- Category:Eurovision Song Contest entrants of 2023
- Category:Eurovision Song Contest entrants of 2024
- Category:Eurovision Song Contest entrants of 2025
- Propose deleting Category:20th-century Eurovision Song Contest entrants
- Propose deleting Category:21st-century Eurovision Song Contest entrants
- Propose deleting Category:Jewish Eurovision Song Contest entrants
- Propose deleting Category:LGBTQ Eurovision Song Contest entrants
- Propose deleting Category:Junior Eurovision Song Contest entrants for Armenia
- Propose deleting Category:Junior Eurovision Song Contest entrants for Belarus
- Propose deleting Category:Junior Eurovision Song Contest entrants for Belgium
- Propose deleting Category:Junior Eurovision Song Contest entrants for Malta
- Propose deleting Category:Junior Eurovision Song Contest entrants for the Netherlands
- Propose deleting Category:Junior Eurovision Song Contest entrants for Russia
- Propose deleting Category:Junior Eurovision Song Contest entrants for Ukraine
- Counterpart nomination to Song contest performer categories to formally nominate all sub-categories. I believe these all to be a violation of WP:PERFCAT, specifically performers by production. Sims2aholic8 (talk) 14:11, 21 December 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:17, 21 December 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom Traumnovelle (talk) 23:51, 21 December 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. dummelaksen (talk • contribs) 03:03, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
- Strong keep. I don't see how these are different from Category:Olympic competitors by country and Category:Olympic competitors by year cause ESC and JESC are that important and for most artists their participation in the contest(s) is the peak of their career. (And it is their "defining characteristic" cause it is the only thing we remember them for.) --Moscow Connection (talk) 12:36, 25 December 2024 (UTC)
- Additional comment. The page that you are basing this proposal on (WP:PERFCAT) actually says at the very top: "One of the central goals of the categorization system is to categorize articles by their defining characteristics. Defining characteristics of an article's topic are central to categorizing the article. A defining characteristic is one that reliable sources commonly and consistently refer to."
And I think it's obvious that most of these artists are remembered by their participation in a Eurovision song contest and that "reliable sources commonly and consistently refer to" these artists as Eurovision entrants for their countries.
I think this deletion proposal is a good example of following rules blindly. We have some random rule written by a random person, and you are voting "delete" without even thinking a little bit. --Moscow Connection (talk) 13:48, 26 December 2024 (UTC)- I agree with this. I'm also new around here in terms of voting for things, how do I do that? 3SiameseCats (talk) 16:00, 26 December 2024 (UTC)
- @3SiameseCats: Read WP:Articles for deletion#How to contribute. First write '''Keep''' or '''Delete''' (in bold) and then explain why you are voting like this.
P.S. I used to think that a comment / "written opinion" is more important than an actual "vote" cause WP:Wikipedia is not a democracy and that simple "votes" without an explanation don't even count, but the people above are just voting and don't contribute to the actual discussion... So maybe '''Keep''' or '''Delete''' "per smth. or somebody's comment" is enough. Or maybe it is even enough to just copy-paste someone else's comment as done by the people who voted "Delete per nom". :-) But I think it is still preferable to explain your vote. --Moscow Connection (talk) 16:26, 26 December 2024 (UTC)
- @3SiameseCats: Read WP:Articles for deletion#How to contribute. First write '''Keep''' or '''Delete''' (in bold) and then explain why you are voting like this.
- I agree with this. I'm also new around here in terms of voting for things, how do I do that? 3SiameseCats (talk) 16:00, 26 December 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Terrorist incidents in Germany in 2022
[edit]- The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
- The result of the discussion was: no consensus. No prejudice against an immediate wider nomination (User:Qwerfjkl/scripts/massXFD can help with that). Unknown Temptation and/or Marcocapelle, pinging in case either of you wish to pursue this. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 04:07, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: Overcategorization. There is only one article in the category and it can be merged into the wider parent categories. Unknown Temptation (talk) 13:32, 21 December 2024 (UTC)
- Agree in principle, but for consistency reasons all categories: Terrorist incidents in Germany in YEAR should be nominated. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:20, 21 December 2024 (UTC)
- @Unknown Temptation: would you be willing/able to expand this nomination? HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 22:54, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Portal-Class Comics articles of NA-importance
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- The result of the discussion was: delete both. Pppery, to implement deletion, you just delete the category and the module uses some ifexist magic to automatically unpopulate the categories :) HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 22:55, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: All these pages are already in the categories "Portal-Class Comics articles" and "NA-importance Comics articles", ideally they should only be in "Portal-Class Comics articles", which should be a member of "NA-importance Comics articles", and this redundant category can simply be deleted. Fram (talk) 09:01, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
Presumably some technical solution for this needs to be found, but when it is implemented, it can also be applied to other types of pages which are always NA, i.e. every page in all subcategories of Category:NA-importance Comics articles except the actual articles cats (stub, start, C, GA, ...) should be removed from "... articles of NA-importance" and "NA-importance comics articles". As an example, Talk:10th Muse is now in three cats, it should only remain in "Redirect-Class Comics articles", and that cat should get "NA-importance comics articles". Simplify by removing redundancy. But I guess this belong at the Village pump, as this seems to happen with some other projects as well, and is presumably too much for the scope of CfD? Fram (talk) 09:11, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
Note: now at WP:VPPR#Cleaning up NA-class categories. Fram (talk) 15:16, 10 December 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose until the code to change all modules is posted and linked to from here We simply can't keep having these messes with class article categories where name changes are proposed but not properly implemented. The bot cannot amend the modules/templates to make this sort of change. In future proposers need to provide the code changes up front so they can be implemented when the CFD is closed, not leave another mess to accumulate with vague promises of future module changes. Timrollpickering (talk) 19:34, 16 December 2024 (UTC)
- It should be possible for people to propose these without having the knowledge to propose an actual code change, and the people at the module told me to first start a CfD to show that the code indeed needs changing. Fram (talk) 09:27, 17 December 2024 (UTC)
- That just results in a mess when category changes get started but not completed and the closing admins are unable to process the change properly. If a complicated change is to take place it must be fully implementable and what needs changing clear before the discussion is closed. Otherwise we get yet more messes as the bots can't cope. If that locks things in rather than having another mess then so be it. Timrollpickering (talk) 10:25, 17 December 2024 (UTC)
- MSGJ, am I correct that the module already prevents populating redlinked categories? There are obviously going to be some caching issues with any updates, but that is unavoidable. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 17:12, 17 December 2024 (UTC)
- Yes that is correct. For the quality/importance intersection categories, no category will be used unless it exists — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 22:37, 19 December 2024 (UTC)
- @Timrollpickering: Is this sufficient? HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 00:31, 20 December 2024 (UTC)
- Try it and see. Timrollpickering (talk) 10:51, 20 December 2024 (UTC)
- What do you mean exactly? An example would be useful — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 23:16, 20 December 2024 (UTC)
- Try it and see. Timrollpickering (talk) 10:51, 20 December 2024 (UTC)
- @Timrollpickering: Is this sufficient? HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 00:31, 20 December 2024 (UTC)
- Yes that is correct. For the quality/importance intersection categories, no category will be used unless it exists — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 22:37, 19 December 2024 (UTC)
- MSGJ, am I correct that the module already prevents populating redlinked categories? There are obviously going to be some caching issues with any updates, but that is unavoidable. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 17:12, 17 December 2024 (UTC)
- That just results in a mess when category changes get started but not completed and the closing admins are unable to process the change properly. If a complicated change is to take place it must be fully implementable and what needs changing clear before the discussion is closed. Otherwise we get yet more messes as the bots can't cope. If that locks things in rather than having another mess then so be it. Timrollpickering (talk) 10:25, 17 December 2024 (UTC)
- It should be possible for people to propose these without having the knowledge to propose an actual code change, and the people at the module told me to first start a CfD to show that the code indeed needs changing. Fram (talk) 09:27, 17 December 2024 (UTC)
- Delete Category:Portal-Class Comics articles of NA-importance and Category:Template-Class Guyana articles of NA-importance as completely redundant as all portals and templates will automatically and invariably have NA-importance. Please note: there are a few non-article classes which can be assigned an actual importance - redirects & drafts - because these are potential articles. So it might be worth retaining categories like Category:Redirect-Class Mumbai articles of Mid-importance and I would tend to defer to the preferences of the WikiProject in these cases — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 23:15, 20 December 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: I will tag Category:Template-Class Guyana articles of NA-importance.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 03:40, 21 December 2024 (UTC)- Delete. This intersection is really not helpful in almost all cases. Gonnym (talk) 16:49, 21 December 2024 (UTC)
- Anyone have any idea how to implement a delete closure here? The consensus seems clear, but I don't. * Pppery * it has begun... 20:35, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
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Members of the Australian House of Representatives by term
[edit]Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 December 28#Members of the Australian House of Representatives by term