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Category:Male gender nonconformity

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The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: purge biographies. In terms of deletion, it seems there's a consensus to make sure Category:Female gender nonconformity is considered as well. This should be the subject of another joint nomination. bibliomaniac15 18:56, 9 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Documentary films with animation

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Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2022 February 16#Category:Documentary films with animation

Category:Wikipedia sign-up lists for subscription delivery

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The result of the discussion was: delete. – Fayenatic London 08:34, 10 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Redundant to Category:MassMessage delivery lists. A merge is not necessary since every single entry in this category is either already in that one, long-defunct, or both. * Pppery * it has begun... 19:56, 3 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Signature songs

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The result of the discussion was: delete. bibliomaniac15 18:52, 9 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: This category was deleted once before over 10 years ago. Because consensus can change, I'm bringing this relatively recent recreation to CfD. Previous arguments point to the subjectivity of one's signature song with I believe some confuse with biggest hit (which can also be subjective). StarcheerspeaksnewslostwarsTalk to me 18:15, 3 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Petroleum companies by year of disestablishment

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The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) Marcocapelle (talk) 04:24, 11 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Unnecessary category. Energy companies is good enough. ...William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 16:59, 3 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Fictional medieval people

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The result of the discussion was: keep , but a split to Category:Fictional medieval European people is clearly in order. – Fayenatic London 23:02, 14 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Nominator's rationale: consistency with parent category. --Nigoyyakot (talk) 11:54, 3 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:HK LegCo Members 2020–2024

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The result of the discussion was: rename. – Fayenatic London 22:26, 9 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: The actual term is 2022–2025. 119.237.103.149 (talk) 11:06, 3 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:HK LegCo Members 2016–2020

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The result of the discussion was: rename. – Fayenatic London 22:26, 9 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: The term was extended to 2021. [5] 119.237.103.149 (talk) 11:06, 3 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Laura Dzhugeliya

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The result of the discussion was: Draftified. The good faith assumption is that a novice editor meant to create this as a draft. (non-admin closure) UnitedStatesian (talk) 14:53, 10 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Empty category. Promotional/spam. Drakosh (talk) 10:28, 3 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:College athletic coaches in the United States

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The result of the discussion was: Rename them all. (non-admin closure) Jehochman Talk 17:16, 15 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Per Category:College sports in the United States and Category:Sports coaches.-- Mike Selinker (talk) 05:35, 3 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Islamophobic publications

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The result of the discussion was: keep. The rename proposed by Peterkingiron could be given due consideration in a separate discussion. This question has not been addressed by a sufficient number of editors to form a consensus as yet. (non-admin closure) Jehochman Talk 17:12, 15 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: This category is a contradiction in itself: it is not possible to add any articles into that category as the parent category category:Anti-Islam sentiment forbids categorising "persons, groups and media" under it. This follows from the category description and a RFC from 2011 here: Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2011 February 9#Bias categories. Therefore, this category must be necessarily empty - and should be deleted. Mvbaron (talk) 11:35, 24 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

An RFC related to these categories can be found here.

--Mvbaron (talk) 14:16, 25 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Jehochman Talk 01:52, 3 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  • Ping Per suggestion of Tavix I am pinging the RFC participants who have not yet expressed an opinion here: Slatersteven, Herostratus, nableezy, Redrose64, Markbassett, Pincrete, DGG, Dimadick, Mlb96, FOARP, Inter&anthro, DeFacto, SnowFire, Fieari. Please add your opinion if you wish. Please also consider the next several discussions, which are closely related. Jehochman Talk 02:02, 3 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep I'm not sure exactly what I said previously, but since WP is not censored, and covers negative and unpleasant topics, it has to organize them appropriately.I think that categorization of topics such as these is essential to our users, and can be done unambiguously for the obvious cases. , Of course, the categories should not be applied when it is not fully justified by excellent sources and explained in the WP article--and when it's a significant characteristic of the publication. But making these decisions is the same for all categorization. Of the ones listed in this group, most of them clearly qualify, while a few are incidental or just general far right wing. DGG ( talk ) 08:22, 3 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep We go by what RS say, if RS say it is islamphobic so do we.Slatersteven (talk) 11:14, 3 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete it remains my opinion. I think we have to look at the larger picture here. Yes you can have a publication that is Islamophobic, and neutral sources saying so. OK fine for some given individual case. The problem is, it doesn't scale. It's a constant headache to monitor stuff like this, and a damaging thing to ever get wrong, and an attractive nuisance for more-heat-than-light arguments about this fraught subject.
What's the purpose of a category? Mainly (not only, but mainly) so that readers can quickly find a list of closely-related articles. So, when a reader goes to this category page, is she looking of a list of Islamophobic publications, or a list of what various Wikipedia editors at various times and with various justifications using various interpretations of what sources are truly "neutral" or "have standing" (that is, sufficiently important for the reader to be notified of what they say), and (occasionally, sadly) various agendas, have elected to put in that category.
And after all, even if Time magazine calls a publication Islamophobic, it's still just their opinion. It's different then when Time states the publication's street address. And nobody's going to argue that Time is biased for or against Islam regarding the street address. For stuff like this, they sometimes will.
We don't have this problem with most categories. Category:Airplane crashes for instance. It either crashed or didn't. Sure, lots of categories have questions at the margins -- does USS Alaska (CB-1) belong in Category:Battlecruisers? It's debated. But in or out, including it can't unjustly insult and damage the reputation of the Alaska. It doesn't care. Being unjustly (or marginally, debatably unjustly) accused of Islamophobia is different. It is potentially libelous, actually.
Sure, we lose a little bit of value by not using this category or others like it. It's worth it not to make headaches for other editors and just have a generally annoying running sore, to my mind. And... I mean, it'd be a disservice to the reader to include the Alaska in Category:Battlecruisers, but not that huge a deal. But falsely informing her that a publican is Islamophobic when that's debatable... that's a problem.
Problems are bad. Let's not have them when we don't have to. Herostratus (talk) 20:13, 3 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment - As I recognize that my opinion is counter to the RfC on the policy in general, I will not bold a !vote here, and leave this as a comment instead. I still believe that "bias categories" should be allowable for people and organizations that have been explicitly described as such in multiple reliable sources (and if they haven't been described as such in multiple reliable sources, then the article should be immediately removed from the category, as per any unsourced "fact", and also per BLP policy). This is not current wikipedia policy, which is frustrating to me. Per current wikipedia policy, I guess the category must be deleted, but I don't agree with it. Fieari (talk) 03:53, 4 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Sadly, "then the article should be immediately removed from the category" doesn't mean "then the article will be immediately removed from the category". That's the rub. Herostratus (talk) 06:09, 4 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
My argument still remains as follows: Say that someone adds a bias category to an article, but no one notices it to remove it. Under the policy, nothing happens, because no one has noticed. Then someone notices it! Under the policy, it's removed immediately, but under how I think it should be done, it can be critically examined at this point and argued for or against. Before someone notices it, however, there's utterly no difference between the policy and not having the policy... noticing it is a prerequisite for ANY action, whether that be summary removal or otherwise. Fieari (talk) 07:41, 7 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • The RFC has been closed and leaves only one conclusion for this category. Marcocapelle (talk) 10:23, 5 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per nom. --Just N. (talk) 15:04, 7 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep Islamophobic publications are very much a real phenomenon (though obvious that Western/Eurocentric types wish to deny the existence of such) and should not be denied. We do not deny the Holocaust or the fact that Holocaust denial publications and websites exist. Why is there always a double standard when it comes to Islam and Muslims? Denial of the existence of Islamophobia is wrong and as the phenomenon of publications advocating for violence and genocide against Muslims is real and cannot be denied, we should absolutely maintain this and similar categories. Laval (talk) 10:46, 11 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep but purge if necessary. Sorry for !voting so late after I was tagged, going through the articles included I think this category is at least partially valid. Inter&anthro (talk) 18:52, 13 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Anti-Islam political parties in Europe

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The result of the discussion was: keep. This one is just barely a keep. (non-admin closure) Jehochman Talk 17:08, 15 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: This whole category (and all related or similar categories) are supposed to be necessarily empty, as the parent category Category:Anti-Islam sentiment in Europe forbids filing groups and organisations under it quoting this RFC from 2011: Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2011 February 9#Bias categories. As this is supposed to be an empty category, it should be deleted. Mvbaron (talk) 12:07, 24 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

An RFC related to these categories can be found here.

--Mvbaron (talk) 14:16, 25 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep but purge -- Some of the parties categorised are specifically pro-Christian, in the sense of promoting the traditional values of a country. Unless the part is specifically anti-Islam and says so, it should not appear in the category. I found an Australian party that was pro-Australian values; and a Korean one that was merely ultra-nationalist, with noting being said of what it was against: South Korea is strongly Christian, but the traditional religion is Buddhist. Peterkingiron (talk) 17:04, 31 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Jehochman Talk 01:52, 3 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  • Keep with the same careful judgment as for other similar categories. The RfC �was 11 years ago, and it cannot be assumed to still have the same consensus. We've gotten better at handling these topics since then. (or is it just that such organizations are now more prominent and clearer about their purposes, and therefore can be categorized more accurately. ) DGG ( talk ) 08:27, 3 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Copied from similar CfD above, Comment - As I recognize that my opinion is counter to the RfC on the policy in general, I will not bold a !vote here, and leave this as a comment instead. I still believe that "bias categories" should be allowable for people and organizations that have been explicitly described as such in multiple reliable sources (and if they haven't been described as such in multiple reliable sources, then the article should be immediately removed from the category, as per any unsourced "fact", and also per BLP policy). This is not current wikipedia policy, which is frustrating to me. Per current wikipedia policy, I guess the category must be deleted, but I don't agree with it. Fieari (talk) 03:53, 4 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • The RFC has been closed and leaves only one conclusion for this category. Marcocapelle (talk) 10:23, 5 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per nom. --Just N. (talk) 15:07, 7 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Anti-Catholic publications

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The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: keep. (non-admin closure) Jehochman Talk 17:04, 15 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: This is a category that must be necessarily empty: [[As per wikipedia consensus (apparently, but no one upholds it) you are not allowed to categorise people, groups or media as "anti-catholic" yet this is a category for exactly this. Either this category needs to be deleted or we re-evaluate the consensus. --Mvbaron (talk) 12:28, 24 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

An RFC related to these categories can be found here.

--Mvbaron (talk) 14:16, 25 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep per Namibia. Laurel Lodged (talk) 12:34, 26 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete - Name-calling is not a good use of Categories, neither useful nor pragmatic and just seems slimy. Limit such categories to be it's defining behaviours or events and not as subjective judgements put by WP on people or organizations. Have content in their article text, as supporteable, but do not insert them into categories that oppose WP:BLPSTYLE or WP:LABEL. There was the 2011 discussion of bias labels and individual one Individaul discussion of Category:Homophobia - and nothing seems changed as to this being a bad thing to do. Delete the sub-categories specific to labelling activists, publications, and organizations. Cheers Markbassett (talk) 03:42, 27 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep but purge -- Some of the articles are not specifically about antagonism to Catholics, but to ethnic or other groups who happen to be Catholic. Thus I find among the content a group that was anti-Ukrainian (but also persecuted Pentecostals) and an American one opposed to Irish immigration to America at the time of the potato famine. In both cases the underlying basis is ethnic, not religious. This similarly applies to loyalist (or Orange) organisations in the Northern Ireland troubles. There is a genuine place for these categories, but principally where the distinction really is theological, not ethnic/community. Peterkingiron (talk) 16:54, 31 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Will ping RFC participants who haven't expressed an opinion yet, per discussion with Tavix.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Jehochman Talk 01:46, 3 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  • Keep. with the same careful judgment as for other similar categories. If we cover thre topics, we need to organize them. The RfC was 11 years ago, and it cannot be assumed to still have the same consensus. We've gotten better at handling these topics since then. DGG ( talk ) 08:27, 3 February 2022 (UTC)
  • Copied from similar CfD above, Comment - As I recognize that my opinion is counter to the RfC on the policy in general, I will not bold a !vote here, and leave this as a comment instead. I still believe that "bias categories" should be allowable for people and organizations that have been explicitly described as such in multiple reliable sources (and if they haven't been described as such in multiple reliable sources, then the article should be immediately removed from the category, as per any unsourced "fact", and also per BLP policy). This is not current wikipedia policy, which is frustrating to me. Per current wikipedia policy, I guess the category must be deleted, but I don't agree with it. Fieari (talk) 03:53, 4 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • The RFC has been closed and leaves only one conclusion for this category. Marcocapelle (talk) 10:24, 5 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep - at the very least for Category:Anti-Catholic publications and Category:Anti-Catholic organizations, for example Chick tract and Know Nothing were well known for promoting anti-Catholic views, this is mentioned in the lead for both respective articles. Inter&anthro (talk) 18:55, 13 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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