Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Sweet Sixteen Novel

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The result was keep. Spartaz ^Humbug! 13:47, 14 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Sweet Sixteen Novel

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Just barely avoids A7; was speedy-deleted, recreated by the creator half an hour later, prodded, and then deprodded by creator (at that point I'd recommend WP:SALT). I assumed as good faith as possible and did an in-depth WP:BEFORE; the best it got was a review hosted on a very marginal site, insufficient for GNG. The creator's rationale for keeping seems to be WP:ITEXISTS. Vaticidalprophet (talk) 16:15, 17 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Literature-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 16:21, 17 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom. D🐶ggy54321 ^{(let's chat!)} 16:40, 17 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. I did find this but it definetly isn't enough to prove notablility via GNG. TheCartoonEditor | (talk) | (contribs) 16:51, 17 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
You know when we talk about this article it is simply for Sweet Sixteen Novel, There was never a copyrighted content and besides the article can be kept cuz It's notable enough to be kept, more references and citations can come in as time goes on. We'd rather cite the true and actual citation instead of adding a wrong/incorrect/non-existing citation.Ugochimobi (talk) 20:56, 17 February 2021 (UTC) — Note to closing admin: Ugochimobi (talk • contribs) is the creator of the page that is the subject of this AfD. [reply]
Keep This book has significant coverage and reviews in Nigerian media, and was the novel used in the JAMB test, which appears to be essentially the Nigerian SAT test. Clearly passes WP:NBOOK 1 and 4. 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 — Preceding unsigned comment added by ScottishFinnishRadish (talk • contribs) 13:55, 18 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Publicized use in a national test suggests WP:NBOOK #4. I'm also more reluctant to delete well sourced content from underrepresented area of the world.--agr (talk) 14:09, 18 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

*Delete — fails to meet WP:NBOOK. Celestina007 (talk) 23:23, 18 February 2021 (UTC) (switched to keep). Celestina007 (talk) 01:21, 19 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Celestina007 It's taught to every student taking the JAMB in Nigeria, that qualifies it for NBOOK 4. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 23:38, 18 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@ScottishFinnishRadish, Oh gosh!! I guess we have to confirm this from a Nigerian, oh wait, I am a Nigerian & i can categorically tell you this particular book was never taught to me at the time I wrote my Jamb examinations & neither is it being taught to students currently writing the Jamb examinations this year, i would know I was once a private home teacher. Celestina007 (talk) 23:46, 18 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Celestina007 This source is an official government document listing that it's in use. I can't speak to your experience but I believe we generally follow sources. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 23:52, 18 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@ScottishFinnishRadish, I saw that document prior now as well as this publication & I’m not so sure why they'd publish that blatant crap. I however understand and appreciate your POV Verifiability and not truth but I’m sorry I’m sticking with my !vote. Celestina007 (talk) 00:01, 19 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

No worries. I apologized if I came across as terse. Agree to disagree. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 00:03, 19 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@ScottishFinnishRadish, it’s okay, imo, you didn’t come off as terse & I always enjoy a civil conversation with a colleague. I hope in time you'd understand my frustration here, for example if three reliable sources say 1 1= 4, i mean that’s a blatant & factual inaccuracy but since reliable sources say it’s 4 then oh well it is 4, but of course you know that simply isn’t true, that’s where I am right now with this article we are discussing, it’s really a catch-22 scenario for me. Celestina007 (talk) 00:13, 19 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Celestina007 I understand that frustration. Is it possible there is supplemental or optional test module for use of English? Perhaps that is what the document is referring to? I'm not familiar with the JAMB test aside from the research I did when looking into this AfD. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 00:17, 19 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@ScottishFinnishRadish, not that I’m aware of, Jamb is written by 12th graders seeking to get admission into a college or university in that given year. Jamb comprises(English, Math, Physics & Chemistry) for students going to study a science related course at the University and isn’t solely for the test of English language. But I think the problem is this, each year, Jamb makes it mandatory for those seeking to write the examination to read a specific book as prerequisite, so each new year is a new book and no two books are ever repeated(if memory serves me right) so it isn’t impossible that this book was one of such in a particular given year, I think those in the 12th grade in 2019 “Jambites”(what they are referred to) were made to read the aforementioned book, that’s definitely possible, but it isn’t a constant used year in year out, no that isn’t true, if you feel from what I’ve ever said that it meets WP:NBOOK#4 then let me know & I’d change my !vote. Celestina007 (talk) 00:44, 19 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Celestina007 WP:NBOOK specifically says if a book is, or has been, used them it qualifies. If it was the book for the JAMB in an earlier year I believe it qualifies. I'm hardly a Wikipedia veteran, so don't let me change your mind if you believe I'm wrong. Regardless I appreciate the information you gave me and the civil discourse. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 00:52, 19 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@ScottishFinnishRadish, I don’t consider myself an expert when it comes to books or films, so im happy we had this conversation per our convo I have changed my !vote accordingly. Celestina007 (talk) 01:21, 19 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Keep — Per in-depth conversation with @ScottishFinnishRadish. Celestina007 (talk) 01:21, 19 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Suggest redirect to the author article for the time being. Deb (talk) 10:30, 20 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
'Redirect' The book doesn't have enough reliable sources to warrant a standalone article as of yet. Some content is unsourced, while other lines use same references. However, the 3 sources mentioned in the article are enough to get this book's brief information on the author's page. I would add that info later today. Then Delete this one. Dial911 (talk) 22:45, 28 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - I added the information on the author's page and it has relevant information about this book now. As it is WP:TOOSOON for the book, this article should be deleted for now. Dial911 (talk) 00:18, 1 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Merge (which seems to have been completed by Dial911 so I guess really redirect) to Bolaji Abdullahi. Per alternatives to deletion there's no need to delete this, especially given a merge has been done (see WP:Merge and delete. Best, Barkeep49 (talk) 01:12, 1 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Barkeep49: I actually was thinking about WP:Merge and Delete but got lost in my own explanation ;) Dial911 (talk) 01:23, 1 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ritchie333 ^(talk) ^(cont) 18:13, 4 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - The book has been the subject of two or more non-trivial published works appearing in sources that are independent of the book itself: a review by Nigerian Tribune, The Daily Trust, and The Guardian, and it has been used for instruction for the Joint Admissions and Matriculation Board examinations, so passes WP:NBOOK. --Ashley yoursmile! 21:33, 4 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: if kept, this needs renaming to Sweet Sixteen (novel) or similar. ser! (chat to me). 23:42, 4 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Keep This passes WP:NBOOK thanks to the sources in the reception. I see other sources in the AFD and someone should expand the article. Archrogue (talk) 18:28, 8 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.