Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Simon Mol (2nd nomination)

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The result was keep. $Salvio giuliano$ 20:16, 15 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Simon Mol

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I can't find english language sources establishing notability. The only academic English sources I can find discussing him are about the racist media coverage in Poland. There are a handful of contemporaneous english news articles about the HIV case, but nothing that establishes notability.

The article was created by an account that was indeffed for POV pushing [1]. And it was already deleted once before [2]. 🙢 - Sativa Inflorescence - 🙢 18:41, 8 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Authors, Journalism, Poetry, Discrimination, Cameroon, and Poland. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 19:04, 8 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. The article may have many issues, but passing WP:GNG is not one of them. Sources don't have to be academic, or even in English. There are many sources listed on the article, and the Polish Wikipedia has more. I sampled a few and found non-trivial coverage here from Rzeczpospolita (newspaper) and here from Gazeta Wyborcza - both mainstream Polish newspapers. Barnards.tar.gz (talk) 20:05, 8 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, the peer reviewed paper I found talking about the unreliable coverage of the case is specifically about those two papers. [3]. Have a look at the talk page for how it's influenced the discourse on-site. 🙢 - Sativa Inflorescence - 🙢 14:03, 9 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I didn't see anything in the PDF to indicate the sources for this article are unreliable. Barnards.tar.gz (talk) 21:53, 9 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. Per WP:GNG, [s]ources do not have to be available online or written in English. If the study you cite is indeed peer-reviewed, that would be another source that contributes towards passing WP:GNG/WP:NBASIC here. His charges at the time were also covered by AFP, His death appears to have been covered in national media in Poland, and he continues to get significant media coverage through the present day ([4], [5]). His case also appears to be a fairly standard case that's used in examination of criminal law around intentionally infecting people with HIV ([6]). This also isn't a case of WP:1E, given that there is also significant coverage of his activism that was published prior to his arrest. There's plenty enough to write an article about here, so deletion for failing to meet the relevant notability criterion is out of the question. Complaints about content are answered by WP:DEL-CONTENT, which notes that [i]f editing can improve the page, this should be done rather than deleting the page. — Red-tailed hawk _(nest) 17:00, 9 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Crime-related deletion discussions. — Red-tailed hawk _(nest) 17:04, 9 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Fair enough. The paper helps notability. Also I didn't notice that most of the media coverage came after that first deletion. I won't object if this gets closed early as a 'keep'. 🙢 - Sativa Inflorescence - 🙢 20:07, 10 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - Sources found by Red-tailed hawk and Barnards.tar.gz seem to be okay.- GizzyCatBella🍁 03:47, 15 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Sourcing is sufficient to meet WP:GNG. In any case, sourcing does not have to be in the English language, so the nomination is based on a false premise. -- Necrothesp (talk) 11:10, 15 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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