Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Seed-counting machine

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The result was speedy keep. Nominator withdrawal, no deletion contributions (per WP:CSK). (non-admin closure) Goldsztajn (talk) 02:29, 31 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Seed-counting machine

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This orphan article has no citations, and is mainly used as a repository for external links to seed-packing equipment manufacturer websites. I haven't been able to locate another article which would appropriately house this content (for a merge) as there seems to be no article mentioning seed-counting or seed-packages. Nor is there any article which would even link to this article in their See also section. Though there is the article Seed, it doesn't really go into the subject of commercial packaging and selling. Doesn't look salvageable at this point. Platonk (talk) 05:03, 27 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Withdrawn by nominator - I withdraw my nomination since a group of 5 editors has effectively TNTed the old article and rebuilt it over the last 24 hours; a wonderful effort and a great result. Anyone who wants to close this AfD with a speedy keep, go right ahead. Platonk (talk) 07:51, 28 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Organizations-related deletion discussions. Platonk (talk) 05:03, 27 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the Article Rescue Squadron's list of content for rescue consideration. Andrew🐉(talk) 08:17, 27 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Keep To feed the planet and plant the trillions of trees needed to rebalance the climate, lots of seeds have to be counted. Experts discuss this activity in works such as Measuring Seed Velocity and Seed Counting in a Pneumatic Conveying System using Electrostatic Sensors; A semi-automatic seed counter and Cereal Grains – Laboratory Reference and Procedures Manual. Policy WP:ATD therefore applies, "If editing can improve the page, this should be done rather than deleting the page." Andrew🐉(talk) 08:00, 27 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I'm all for getting pages fixed up to keep. Please go ahead and make your improvements (nice pic you already added) and we'll see if we can get this to 'notability' standards. I suspect that Wikipedia needs more coverage of the commercial seed industry. I was unable to find any. Platonk (talk) 08:37, 27 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

For information about seeds in an encyclopedic format, see The Encyclopedia of Seeds. It has 828 pages and so seems quite comprehensive. Andrew🐉(talk) 10:20, 27 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Comment When was the first seed counting machine made? The Library of Congress has this image https://www.loc.gov/resource/fsa.8d16046/ from 1943. Should be more information about this notable invention somewhere. Googling "Seed counting machine" site:.gov OR site:.edu OR site:.org [1] gets some results to sort through. Dream Focus 11:38, 27 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

That's a good find, thanks. The picture was taken at the W. Atlee Burpee Company but seems to be the work of the War Office and so is PD. I'll get it loaded. Andrew🐉(talk) 11:40, 27 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Added the various types to the article. Seed counter can be search for as well as seed counting machine. Adding in the word "history" didn't find any specific information yet. I guess the patent office's website would show when each type was invented. Seems like there would be a textbook for this industry listing this information. Dream Focus 11:54, 27 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Added your new-found image to Burpee Seeds and Plants. Platonk (talk) 16:58, 27 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Wikipedia isn't just for popular culture items that get ample media attention, but is also a real encyclopedia. Seed counting machines have been significant in the agricultural industry, so an article for them is justified. Dream Focus 15:10, 27 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: I checked newsprint and came across these mentions, like this article that was reprinted and published widely. Or this one that I clipped simply because of the illustration. Meanwhile, I just made a few, links, added cats, and relevant see also. Lightburst (talk) 15:39, 27 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

This makes my back hurt. Lightburst (talk) 15:42, 27 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Actually, they're pretty easy to use. The hardest part is keeping up with the horse(s) while walking over freshly turned ground. Platonk (talk) 16:58, 27 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Keep here is another that is in depth about a seed counter. Can anyone here integrate this? or this. Lightburst (talk) 16:24, 27 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Done integrated into history. Lightburst (talk) 17:16, 27 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Keep There is no problem with the sourcing on this article. Capt. Milokan (talk) 02:53, 28 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
~~Keep~~ Article has been substantially improved, which is a collateral benefit of AFD, I guess. ~~Of course, the folks who proposed this could have helped improve it too.~~ There are still more sources, which apparently have been overlooked. But that is a personal decision, kind of like getting a vaccine, I suppose. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 19:26, 28 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@7&6=thirteen: Hey! Platonk (talk) 21:03, 28 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I missed some of those edits. I certainly thank all of those editors who have contributed to the improvement of the article. And I commend the original AFD nominator for having the courage to withdraw the nomination. That is rare beavior. These AFD conversations become needlessly and negatively positional. Article improvement is a legitimate goal. Thank you for permitting me to clarify what I should have said in the first place. I'm sorry for my remark. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 21:27, 28 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Speedy keep Nominator withdrew the AFD. Not the article is was when nominated for deletion. WP:HEY. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 13:00, 30 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.