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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus. (WP:NPASR.) (Non-administrator closure.) Northamerica1000(talk) 05:16, 17 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

RISE Project

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I'm sure these people are doing great work, but I just don't see independent coverage here. Almost all the links come from the project's own site, and the others don't help in terms of WP:N either. And, needless to say, the article was created by a single-purpose account. - Biruitorul Talk 04:12, 21 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Romania-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 14:45, 21 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of News media-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 14:45, 21 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Organizations-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 14:45, 21 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]


Comment Hi, I added this entry and I followed all the suggestions from the wikipedia editors when I created it, they seemed to be ok with it at that point. I am not sure why it is a problem to include here a media organization that's fighting corruption like many other journalism organizations do. You have so many other similar NGOs on wikipedia that are not marked for deletion. RISE is member of some of those organizations, like Organized Crime and Corruption Reporting Project, which is also on wikipedia. This article is not meant to promote RISE Project for any hidden interests, it is here just to inform the readers about the existence of this initiative that fights corruption in Romania and the region. RISE's work has been quoted in media all around Europe and beyond, something that I didn't include there just to avoid being accused of a promotional entry (you can find it quoted just by simple search on google). I think the reasons for which you are asking for its deletion are not realistic and it's an exaggeration on your part, not a very fair attitude. I was not seeking to create any promotional material for RISE here, just basic public information. And I also don't see why it is a problem that this is the first entry I created...there are just too many unfounded accusations from your part, which seems a bit biased to me. Thanks Lra2014 (talk) 09:42, 24 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Comment2 Biruitorul • Gene93k: I added more external references now, that should meet your observations above, let me know what you think.Lra2014 (talk) 11:17, 24 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment This article definitely has references to reliable sources but none of the sources specifically mentions the RISE Project in detail. If this article is going to be deleted, it will be because of the lack of reliable coverage. Finding reliable sources is one thing but Wikipedia relies on significant coverage. versace1608 (talk) 22:59, 24 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
    • Echoing your comments, versace1608, yes, the article has four or five more or less reliable sources that mention the project. However, the coverage is never about the project itself, but rather about its activities or the opinions of people associated with it. And it's usually mentioned only in passing. What we have as of now doesn't seem to me to fulfill the spirit of WP:ORG. - Biruitorul Talk 02:59, 25 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
    • Please let me know if I get it correctly - you mean other sources that cover RISE Project but without interviews of the members? I see the point, however, RISE Project is an organization made of a group of people and therefore, the members are those who are asked to talk about its work, it's quite rare that others write about an active media entity without contacting its current members for interviews - it's actually normal to seek members' opinions in this field. Plus, it's an anti-corruption journalism organization, it uncovers organized crime networks and corruption cases, everybody who features it wants to hear more about the investigations, how journalists work and what tools they use, their results etc, and that means, you will always have a member talking about these in full knowledge. This is what happens with most similar organizations in the region. Plus, we need to take into account that such organizations are part of a new trend in journalism in Eastern Europe, they haven't been around for decades like the traditional journalism centers from the US. - So, I am not sure that what you are asking here is possible in this case. It is a normal thing to ask generally but it might just not fit in here. What I can do is to add the sources that write about RISE Project but there will always be a member interviewed in there, there is also a TacticalTech documentary (Exposing the Invisible - Our Currency is Information) with a profile of one of RISE members and filmed at RISE Project if that's appropriate to add there.Lra2014 (talk) 06:16, 25 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Northamerica1000(talk) 05:25, 29 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

How long does it take to decide on this entry's deletion or acceptance? I see it's frozen at the moment and I would like to know what to do with it. I wouldn't want to keep it with the deletion mark forever. Thank you Lra2014 (talk) 16:49, 5 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Northamerica1000(talk) 04:45, 6 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep - Per refs, appears to be WP:GNG. VMS Mosaic (talk) 05:12, 6 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment: I also consider Rise Project an important group of investigative journalism from Romania. One example: they contributed essentially to the now famous "romanian autumn demonstrations" of 2013 (romanians fighting against Rosia Montana project in the Carpathian mountains), when they (Rise) published the secret contracts between the romanian state and the Gabriel Resources Co. These contracts were hidden from public view since about 15 years, and Rise P. were the ones able to make them available. (media coverage to be found here: [1]) I really do not know another journalists group with this importance in Romania today, perhaps except EFOR (but EFOR are rather economists and law specialists, not journalists). Horia mar (talk) 21:17, 6 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
    • Comment: Horia mar has supplied a press release issued by the project itself, which hardly counts as independent coverage. VMS Mosaic has not done even that. Just what specific "refs", VMS Mosaic, demonstrate that this topic "has received significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject"? - Biruitorul Talk 01:24, 7 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
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  1. ^ http://www.hotnews.ro/stiri-esential-15496670-rise-project-documentele-confidentiale-ale-afacerii-rosia-montana.htm
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