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Offensive in Podrinje (1993)

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After removing unreliable local news portals etc, we are left with citations to two pages of the CIA history. I checked them, and all three of the citations failed verification, the only apparent reference to this fighting being a paragraph fragment as follows: "The VRS Drina Corps attacked again late in May and crushed Muslim forces in the salient , driving them back some 15 kilometers to the Praca River and eliminating the threat to Visegrad . Follow - on attacks from Cajnice in the southeast toward Gorazde itself , however , gained little ground . " on page 185. This isn't significant coverage, and therefore doesn't meet WP:N. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 09:22, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: History, Military, and Bosnia and Herzegovina. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 09:22, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Events-related deletion discussions. WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 11:49, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, to be clear i didnt put this sources but i think that this offensive is in one official book, i will try to find and add content in it, if its bad or not proper, then delete the whole thing (just please dont bring opera singer admins to blocc me like in smolucca) Wynnsanity (talk) 15:40, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Looks like someone didn't go to geography classes. Podrinje means "on the river Drina" or "next to the Drina" and thus includes the entire region. at the same time, I checked your claims and of course they are fake, if you had entered and edited the pages without bad intentions, you would have seen that on page 186 it is written "The Bosnian Serbs had nevertheless achieved most of their 1993 objectives in the Drina valley and This time Muslim bravery alone was not enough to prevail against the stronger, better organized and better led Serb troops. The text is badly written and the sources are in the wrong place, but I won't say anything because I understand everything about you and I don't want to be blocked because I love Wikipedia. If you would be kind enough to allow me to only summarize the entire Balkan Battlegrounds article here as I did before, I would appreciate it, thank you Sir Wynnsanity (talk) 16:28, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

If you keep adding material to articles that is clearly not supported by the sources, then you are clearly not here to build an encyclopaedia. I’m not sure what it is you think you are doing, but it is extremely unhelpful to the encyclopaedia. Please stop doing it, either through this account, meat puppets or IPs. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 20:55, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

??? 1) I only use this account, the fact that other users are not satisfied with you is your problem 2.) I wrote a text that only appears in Balkan Battl. 3.) you have no arguments and never had any 2A00:10:9910:4C01:193C:197E:5B6B:E8CC (talk) 21:11, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

They say, from an IP. With regards especially to your last point, please remember not to make personal attacks. - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 23:49, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 11:41, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I have tagged the bolded Operation "Prača '93" in the lead as dubious, as the sources listed do not use this name. I have also tagged the goals of the operation given in the lead as failed verification, as the goal of the overall offensive (of which this was a part) was to clear the ARBiH from the Drina valley, but the goals listed in the lead are not given in the sources. As it stands now, the "Operation" section has all the material in Balkan Battlegrounds. It consists of a direct copy and paste of a paragraph on page 390 (this is ok as there is no copyright on US government material such as this). The rest of the article is background and aftermath, which really should not be considered when deciding if this subject is notable. There is probably scope for an article covering all VRS offensive operations around Gorazde and Visegrad between January and June 1993 (which takes up about 2/3rds of a page in BB, but this article is a non-notable subset of those operations in my view, and like many of these newly created articles, appears to be focussed only on the point of view of VRS success instead of a neutral point of view. Cheers, Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 10:36, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Doczilla _{Ohhhhhh, no!} 11:07, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment I have now removed material from the infobox not cited in the article, and removed the unused reference. I have also reinstated the dubious tag on the operation name that was removed as part of the reverted draftification in the last 24 hours. In my view, a brief mention of this minor operation comprising a single paragraph in the single source (and here), is insufficient to meet WP:SIGCOV. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 05:49, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
for clarity, Vol 2 of BB is a more detailed version of Vol 1, so it doesn’t mean there is a second source, the map is likewise from BB. The new bolded title is only partially supported, as the second village was still on the frontline, and was not fully captured in this fighting. I remain of the view that this event lacks SIGCOV. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 21:27, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment talk about constant moving of the goalposts, now the bolded title has "Kaostice" mentioned, a place not mentioned at all in the only source for this fighting. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 23:45, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Now it says "Međeđa region"... What "region"? It is a small village. It's hard to keep up with the changes to the title, all of which seems intended to make this event look bigger than it was. It just isn't notable. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 01:33, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]