Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/National Film Actors' Theatre

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The result was keep. Salvio ^giuliano 23:22, 3 March 2023 (UTC)

National Film Actors' Theatre

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Topic does not seem notable based on a google search. Top results are all forks of Wikipedia Medarduss (talk) 20:53, 10 February 2023 (UTC)

• Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Arts-related deletion discussions. Medarduss (talk) 20:53, 10 February 2023 (UTC)
• Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Theatre and Russia. Shellwood (talk) 20:56, 10 February 2023 (UTC)
• Delete. Does not seem to have hosted notable productions or to be notable for any other reason. -- Ssilvers (talk) 05:43, 11 February 2023 (UTC) [Update: If the sources mentioned below are added, I would not object to keeping the article.] -- Ssilvers (talk) 16:39, 15 February 2023 (UTC)
• Keep. WP:GOOGLE has a lot on the limitations of that method, and many apply here. In English "National Film Actors' Theatre" returns wiki mirrors because its a made up name for wikipedia. "Государственный" is more usually translated as "State" not national. But it hasn't been known by this name since 2019 anyway, when it became the "Центр театра и кино под руководством Никиты Михалкова" - literally the "Theatre and Cinema Centre under the leadership of Nikita Mikhalkov" Search under those terms and you'll find more returns. But you'd expect most of the coverage of a subject like this to be in Russian, and there is a lot in this language:
  • Kultura (newspaper) - [1]
  • TASS - [2]
  • Kommersant - [3]
  • Izvestia - [4]
  • Afisha - [5]
  • Interfax - [6]
  • RIA Novosti - [7]
  • Lenta.ru - {Blacklisted on wikipedia but searches in Russian will find examples}
  • REGNUM News Agency - [8]

And others like culture.ru, kino-teatr.ru, Smotrim, muzcentrum.ru, etc etc. The source used in the article currently should have been used WP:BEFORE as well, it states Sergei Gerasimov (film director) rehearsed and staged his adaptation of The Young Guard (novel) here, as well as Red and Black prior to developing them into films (The Young Guard (film) (1948) and ru:Красное и чёрное (фильм, 1976)). It further notes that the theatre was "the first permanent theatrical association of film actors", and is "the only theatre where only film actors are employed." The English article is very basic and doesn't give cover much of what would be found in these sources and would demonstrate notability. But the Russian category includes 272 articles of actors and actresses who have performed with the theatre, as well as the category for 32 of the directors who have staged works here, including Gerasimov, Oleg Anofriyev, Aleksei Dikiy, Savva Kulish, Anatoly Efros and others. There is also a long list on the Russian wiki page of the productions hosted there since 1946, and the current and recent troupe and guests, which includes the likes of Oleg Strizhenov, Lyudmila Zaytseva, Larisa Luzhina, Tamara Syomina, Natalya Fateyeva, Alexander Pyatkov, Valentina Telichkina, Gennadi Yukhtin, Natalya Arinbasarova, Lionella Pyryeva, and Darya Sagalova. Significant in Russian but will be missed with a google search in English using an invented name based on a version that is no longer in use. Spokoyni (talk) 04:33, 13 February 2023 (UTC)

• Keep - if the sources (those that were mentioned above by the colleague) are added to the current stub, the article will meet WP:ORG. I have put a translation tag to invite others to expand the article with materials from the Russian Wikipedia.ThegaBolt (talk) 19:20, 14 February 2023 (UTC)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, 78.26 _{(spin me / revolutions)} 22:21, 17 February 2023 (UTC)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 23:28, 24 February 2023 (UTC)

• Keep. Plenty of significant coverage has been identified above in independent reliable sources. Phil Bridger (talk) 09:31, 25 February 2023 (UTC)
• Keep per sources by Spokoyni.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 23:37, 1 March 2023 (UTC)

• Keep it founded in December 1943 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 45.243.255.179 (talk) 15:56, 2 March 2023 (UTC)

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