Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Log/2024 December 3

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Greater Phoenix Economic Council

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Tagged as COI for 15 years. Wikipedia is not a permanent webhost for COI content. BD2412 T 22:44, 26 November 2024 (UTC)

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• Speedy keep with WP:NPASR. No valid deletion rationale has been offered, nor has evidence of a WP:BEFORE been provided. There is no reason provided why any COI that may be present cannot be addressed editorially. The WP:WEBHOST policy primarily applies to userspace and is thus not a rationale for deletion, and WP:COIEDIT is not a reason for deletion since such edits are not prohibited (just strongly discouraged). I would encourage the nominator to renominate with a valid rationale and evidence of a BEFORE search. Dclemens1971 (talk) 15:43, 3 December 2024 (UTC)

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Hallmark Business Connections

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Tagged as COI for 15 years. Wikipedia is not a permanent webhost for COI content. BD2412 T 22:45, 26 November 2024 (UTC)

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• Redirect to Hallmark Cards#Subsidiaries and assets (this could probably have been boldly attempted) -- run of the mill coverage that does not rise to separately meet WP:NCORP requirements individually from its former parent. I have updated the proposed target - this is no longer part of Hallmark, but the current parent InComm does not have an article ^~Hydronium^~Hydroxide^~(Talk)~ 03:21, 3 December 2024 (UTC)

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Heintzman House

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Tagged as COI for 15 years. Wikipedia is not a permanent webhost for COI content. BD2412 T 22:45, 26 November 2024 (UTC)

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• Comment It's a publicly-owned heritage-listed building (so COI is less of an issue, though the city council heritage listing is probably generally insufficient) that has been briefly used as local government offices[1], and was most-visited site during the city's 2019 "Doors Open" program[2]. WP:NBUILD applies -- here's what looks to be the total visible local newspaper coverage [3], which is not overwhelming, but looks to have enough to be able to use for sourcing. I believe that there would almost certainly have been more coverage during the 1960s (when it was acquired by the council due to community pressure) and from the 1980s (when it was heritage listed) -- though the heritage notice is fairly cursory[4]. List of historic buildings in Markham, Ontario does not have the capacity currently to capture a potted history. I'm at a "don't delete", and leaning keep (but trim away) over a weighty merge somewhere (if a suitable target and candidate text is provided). ^~Hydronium^~Hydroxide^~(Talk)~ 04:17, 3 December 2024 (UTC)
• Speedy keep with WP:NPASR. No valid deletion rationale has been offered, nor has evidence of a WP:BEFORE been provided. There is no reason provided why any COI that may be present cannot be addressed editorially. The WP:WEBHOST policy primarily applies to userspace and is thus not a rationale for deletion, and WP:COIEDIT is not a reason for deletion since such edits are not prohibited (just strongly discouraged). I would encourage the nominator to renominate with a valid rationale and evidence of a BEFORE search. Dclemens1971 (talk) 15:43, 3 December 2024 (UTC)

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• Comment: There are a series of heritage documents and the official listing here [5]. Oaktree b (talk) 02:13, 4 December 2024 (UTC)
• Keep: Plenty of coverage in books. This in particular is from the local heritage society [6], these also help: [7], [8], [9]. Oaktree b (talk) 02:17, 4 December 2024 (UTC)

  It's apparently haunted [10], if that helps coverage. Oaktree b (talk) 02:19, 4 December 2024 (UTC)

Mohawk Warrior

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This doesn't appear to meet WP:N, or have a suitable WP:ATD. Boleyn (talk) 22:35, 19 November 2024 (UTC)

• Delete: Other than warriors from the Mohawk nation, there is no coverage of a monster truck. Not sure how we're supposed to evaluate sources in the article when there are none... ah the wild west early days of wikipedia. Sources, we don't need no stinkin sources (google it kids, it's a good movie). Oaktree b (talk) 22:40, 19 November 2024 (UTC)
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• Keep: I see a bunch of potential sources...
  Articles mentioning driver Bryce Kenny:1 2 3
  Articles mentioning driver George Balhan: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7
  other small mentions: 1 2 3 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rainsage (talk • contribs)

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Pascal Arnou

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Nothing in google news (which is unusual for an Olympian), 2 one-line mentions in google books. Fails WP:SPORTSCRIT and WP:NOLY. LibStar (talk) 23:30, 26 November 2024 (UTC)

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Division of City Schools – Manila

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None of the refs provide WP:SIGCOV or surpass WP:GNG. For example, this is not even a passing mention. Howard the Duck (talk) 23:31, 3 December 2024 (UTC)

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Pateros Schools District

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None of the refs provide WP:SIGCOV or surpass WP:GNG. Most just show passing mention, or do not even mention the subject of the article at all. The only ref is WP:SELFPUBLISHED. Howard the Duck (talk) 23:27, 3 December 2024 (UTC)

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Division of City Schools–Valenzuela

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None of the refs provide WP:SIGCOV or surpass WP:GNG. Most just show passing mention, or do not even mention the subject of the article at all. For example, this is about mayor Win Gatchalian address... we don't usually create articles about an address of a mayor. Other refs are WP:SELFPUBLISHED sources. Howard the Duck (talk) 23:26, 3 December 2024 (UTC)

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Division of City Schools–Navotas

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None of the refs provide WP:SIGCOV or surpass WP:GNG. For example, this is not even a passing mention. Howard the Duck (talk) 23:23, 3 December 2024 (UTC)

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Erez Da Drezner

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I don't find any encyclopedic importance for this article, which telling about an anonymous deaf Israel person which haven't any significant things. He even haven't an article in the Hebrew Wikipedia. זור987 (talk) 14:00, 19 November 2024 (UTC)

I have added standard information for an AfD nomination at the top TSventon (talk) 14:37, 19 November 2024 (UTC)

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• Keep: The article meets the WP:NMODEL #1 and #2 criteria. The article describes visits of Da Drezner in two different hospitals in Ukraine, and describes his other deeds.

The article also was written in February 5, 2021 and has not been nominated for deletion until today. --_Dgw|Talk 15:04, 19 November 2024 (UTC)

Articles can be nominated for deletion at any point that they are live on the main space. We see articles created in 2005 that are brought to AFD. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 01:31, 20 November 2024 (UTC)

• Weak delete I'm on the fence a bit about this as the references are stocked full of non-reliable sources like Youtube and random blogspot domains. With that being said there's the kernel of a possibility that Da Dresner's work in Ukraine might reach the minimum bar for notability... except for WP:BLP1E. If his notability could be shown to extend to his TV work, other advocacy work or really anything other than one trip to Ukraine I might be persuaded. However the sources presently available in the article do not do this and I did not find anything really missing on a google search. Simonm223 (talk) 15:18, 19 November 2024 (UTC)
• Delete: Sixth place on a TV show and some charitable works after, but I don't really see notability. Sourcing is scant, i can only pull up articles about the trip to Ukraine. Oaktree b (talk) 15:34, 19 November 2024 (UTC)
• Redirect to Big Brother (Israeli TV series) season 2#Housemates as an ATD, and a WP:TROUT for trying to argue non-notability in another project simply because an article for the subject hasn't been created on he.wiki. Also calling someone 'an anonymous...deaf person' is cruel and should never be a part of a rationale. Nate • (chatter) 20:35, 19 November 2024 (UTC)
• Comment: As things are going in ANI, there are enough evidences that this AfD has not been done in a good faith. I suggest to hold the Afd until archiving the discussion in ANI. If the article has to be deleted, please move it to User:Dorian Gray Wild/Erez Da Drezner until there is an additional activity of Da Drezner. _Dgw|Talk 07:58, 23 November 2024 (UTC)

  Are you changing your !vote to draftifying the article? You understand that would mean deleting the article after the draft is taken? Simonm223 (talk) 13:25, 23 November 2024 (UTC)

  I did not change my vote. The user who made this AfD has been one-way banned from any articles which I edited. If in the end of this discussion, the admin will decide to delete this article, calculating my "keep" vote and the one-way-ban which the user got, I ask the admin to move the article to my user space instead of deleting it. _Dgw|Talk 16:07, 23 November 2024 (UTC)

  Ok, my misunderstanding. However it wouldn't be nrormal to cancel an in-progress AfD just because the filer is under an i-ban put in place after filing. Three people who are not the filer have already provided feedback that should be considered without prejudice. Simonm223 (talk) 18:13, 23 November 2024 (UTC)

• Keep. There seems to be enough sourcing to pass WP:GNG already cited in the article.4meter4 (talk) 17:59, 26 November 2024 (UTC)

  Comment: Thank you 4meter4. I have added a lot of sources. _Dgw|Talk 19:38, 1 December 2024 (UTC)

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Schools Division Office of Taguig City and Pateros

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• Articles for deletion/Schools Division Office of Taguig City and Pateros
• Articles for deletion/Schools Division Office of Taguig City and Pateros (2nd nomination)

Schools Division Office of Taguig City and Pateros (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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None of the refs provide WP:SIGCOV or surpass WP:GNG. Most just show passing mention, or do not even mention the subject of the article at all. For example, This ref discusses the office relaxing the dress code, but does not discuss the office per se. This mentions the "DepEd Taguig-Pateros administrator", but again, does not discuss the office per se. This has the office denying a "maternity leave scam" existing, but again, does not discuss the office in depth. This and this merely discusses transfer of schools from the Makati office to Taguig-Pateros due to the Makati–Taguig boundary dispute, but, you guessed it, did not discuss either of the two offices. None of these show WP:SIGCOV and if someone shows up saying "these satisfy WP:SIGCOV in my view" that person has to actually point out where. Howard the Duck (talk) 23:18, 3 December 2024 (UTC)

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  This was originally nominated as a batched nomination with other similar articles but I screwed up and decided to just nominate these separately. Howard the Duck (talk) 23:20, 3 December 2024 (UTC)

Operation Berbir

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I removed unreliable sources from this article, leaving it uncited. Neither this event, the suburb of Bosanska Gradiska it apparently occurred in, the Croatian unit that apparently participated, or the operation name are mentioned in the comprehensive two-volume CIA history of the 90s wars in the Balkans. A Google Books search found nothing about this fighting either. A non-notable firefight (if it happened at all). Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 23:18, 3 December 2024 (UTC)

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Christian Falangist Party of Germany

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Possible hoax. Lack of reliable sources for article. GnocchiFan (talk) 23:15, 3 December 2024 (UTC)

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Aranmula Kottaram

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Contested draft. Poorly sourced, and a WP:BEFORE search turns up little. I dream of horses (Hoofprints) (Neigh at me) 21:15, 26 November 2024 (UTC)

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Is anyone able to tell if this is a duplicate of Aranmula Vadake Kottaram (Northern Palace)? Turtlecrown (talk) 15:22, 28 November 2024 (UTC)

@Turtlecrown It certainly seems like that. I've redirected, in part to see what happens. I dream of horses (Hoofprints) (Neigh at me) 21:51, 28 November 2024 (UTC)

• Just noting that there is an existing draft at Draft:Aranmula Kottaram. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 03:35, 1 December 2024 (UTC)

  @Liz And it's not even a copy-and-paste. This would make a "draftify" result more complicated. I dream of horses (Hoofprints) (Neigh at me) 04:10, 1 December 2024 (UTC)

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The Manc

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Article on website that is mostly self sourced. Pretty much entirely promotional. No serious improvements since creation in 2020. I can't find many reliable sources covering the news site. William Graham ^talk 22:18, 26 November 2024 (UTC)

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2025 in Konfrontacja Sztuk Walki

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• Articles for deletion/2025 in Konfrontacja Sztuk Walki
• Articles for deletion/2025 in Konfrontacja Sztuk Walki (2nd nomination)

2025 in Konfrontacja Sztuk Walki (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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Fails WP:GNG. Could not find any sources discussing 2025 in this martial arts organization, and I doubt they exist. It is very unlikely there is significant coverage of events that have not happened yet and I can find none. The article appears to be a template into which information on the event outcomes could be placed, and it should be draftified until they actually occur, then re-created if news coverage emerges. Mrfoogles (talk) 22:58, 3 December 2024 (UTC)

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Ibar-Lepenac attack

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Looks like a classic textbook case of WP:NOTNEWS. While this event has made headlines recently, there weren't any casualties or injuries and the canal has been repaired. Most of the article is about "reactions" from other countries. Seems more apt for a one or two sentence mention in other articles, such as North Kosovo crisis (2022–2024) than an article of its own. Griboski (talk) 21:34, 3 December 2024 (UTC)

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Journal of Indo-European Studies

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[11] states it has an h-index of 10, and [12] states an impact factor of 0.2. It doesn't seem to meet WP:NJOURNAL, and most material in article is about Roger Pearson (anthropologist). Bluethricecreamman (talk) 20:58, 3 December 2024 (UTC)

For deletion. The article as it is stands seems to serve nothing more than to slander it with the legacy of Roger Pearson. As I stated elsewhere, the article is all about Pearson. No one would have the slightest idea its about linguistics with the way it is written. Pearson's involvement is minimal at best within the confines of it. To me it appears anti-NPOV as well. The article has never been well written and the journal will never be given a fair representation the way things are currently going with how secondary sources of questionable reliability portray it in a negative manner. Geog1 (talk) 21:13, 3 December 2024 (UTC)

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• Weak Keep because I think it meets criterion 3 of WP:NJOURNAL. Significant historical discussion of the journal exists. Simonm223 (talk) 21:53, 3 December 2024 (UTC)
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List of Industry characters

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A contested redirect, an unreferenced list, and technically too old to draftify. I dream of horses (Hoofprints) (Neigh at me) 14:44, 26 November 2024 (UTC)

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• Keep and trim if needed. 1) The topic is Industry (TV series) so notability is established. 2) as a SIZE OR WP:SS split of a notable topic, primary sources are just fine for meeting V and NPOV policies. 3) LISTN is satisfied by WP:CSC point 2, every entry is non-notable. Jclemens (talk) 22:07, 26 November 2024 (UTC)
• Keep as a reasonable split from Industry (TV series). Sourcing is terrible (this is pretty common across Category:Lists of television characters in my experience), but that doesn't mean the topic isn't notable or shouldn't be covered in a standalone article. RunningTiger123 (talk) 02:34, 29 November 2024 (UTC)
• Delete Fails WP:NOTPLOT. Plot summary not put in context using sources. Wikipedia is not FANDOM. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 06:12, 2 December 2024 (UTC)
• Delete per Zxcvbnm - The main Industry (TV series) article already has an extensive character list section, making this a needless spinout. The major plot information for the characters is already included in the parent article, and this list contains nothing but unsourced, overly detailed plot summaries, so no merge is needed. Rorshacma (talk) 17:52, 2 December 2024 (UTC)

Redirect to Industry (TV series)#Cast where the characters are covered already. While the list doesn't have much, there is a viable redirect target to act as an AtD; @Zxcvbnm @Rorshacma would you two be opposed to this alternative? Has one ever considered Magneton? Pokelego999 (talk) 19:45, 2 December 2024 (UTC)

There doesn't seem to be a need for a redirect, which makes it easy to reverse and recreate the list article. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 20:03, 2 December 2024 (UTC)

@Zxcvbnm Rest assured, if the AfD results in a redirect, anyone re-reverting it are not the ones who'll get in trouble. If you don't see the need for a redirect, though, don't let the last sentence influence your !vote. I dream of horses (Hoofprints) (Neigh at me) 09:41, 3 December 2024 (UTC)

• Delete Fails WP:NOTPLOT and WP:SIGCOV. Split articles are not exempt from policies, and having one main article isn't an automatic pass for multiple spinouts. If splitting would create a failing article, the answer is to trim, not split. Jontesta (talk)
• Keep Added sources. UnknownBat (talk) 08:49, 3 December 2024 (UTC)

  @UnknownBat Are there any sources located off the Vulture website? /genuine /curious /NotMad I dream of horses (Hoofprints) (Neigh at me) 09:42, 3 December 2024 (UTC)

  I will also note that these seem to be plot recaps, which aren't an indication of character notability. Has one ever considered Magneton? Pokelego999 (talk) 02:25, 4 December 2024 (UTC)

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Mayur Chauhan

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Subject was twice declined in AfC and also fails NACTOR, as the subject has not had significant roles in notable films or shows. There is no significant coverage in reliable, independent sources apart from the WP:OR added by User:Saurang Vara who denies any COI despite being familiar with the subject's personal information. The subject's role in Chhello Divas does not appear to be significant and none of the other films have substantial content to be considered when evaluating Mayur Chauhan according to NACTOR. Jeraxmoira🐉 (talk) 12:12, 19 November 2024 (UTC)

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What makes you say his 3 roles in productions that have a page on this WP are not significant? And why should Karsandas Pay & Use be considered non-notable? I found some coverage about Saiyar Mori Re too. He seems to meet WP:NACTOR, -Mushy Yank. 13:47, 19 November 2024 (UTC)

The mentioned films do not meet WP:NFOE/ WP:NFILM. Karsandas Pay & Use has two reviews, one from TOI with an unknown critic and another from an unknown website. Saiyar Mori Re has no reception section and Samandar (film) has two local reviews! From a WP:BEFORE search, none of these films have been distributed outside Gujarat. Just because these films have articles on Wikipedia does not mean they are notable in the first place to be used as evaluation criteria for Mayur Chauhan. Either way, there is zero coverage of the subject in reliable independent sources. Jeraxmoira🐉 (talk) 14:53, 19 November 2024 (UTC)

If a critic writes for a national publication such as Times of India he is considered nationally known as per discussions at WP:NFILM Atlantic306 (talk) 01:06, 20 November 2024 (UTC)

Discusisons on What is a "nationally-known critic"? and "Nationally-known critic" as it relates to films of India aren't closed and there is no consensus either. Let me know if I have missed any archived discussions. Jeraxmoira🐉 (talk) 06:28, 20 November 2024 (UTC)

The discussions are ended and there is a clear consensus Atlantic306 (talk) 23:00, 26 November 2024 (UTC)

For argument's sake, even if the not-yet-closed discussion is considered as consensus for what you have claimed, there is still only one review in a national publication. Jeraxmoira🐉 (talk) 04:36, 27 November 2024 (UTC)

• Weak Keep: The subject has relatively moderate significant coverage for his films Saiyar Mori Re, Samandar (film), and Karsandas Pay and Use. As the lead actor in all these projects, the combined coverage is sufficient to pass WP:ACTOR.--— MimsMENTOR ^talk 13:59, 20 November 2024 (UTC)

  Where is the coverage though? Jeraxmoira🐉 (talk) 14:10, 20 November 2024 (UTC)

• Delete: i dont think the subject passes WP:ENT or WP:GNG. Baqi:) (talk) 11:19, 25 November 2024 (UTC)

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Mangral

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Article is entirely unsourced and poorly written. The underlying purpose of the article seems to be to glorify the community rather than write an encyclopaedic article. The books detailed at the bottom of the article don't seem particularly reliable either and no page numbers are provided. Ixudi (talk) 18:53, 26 November 2024 (UTC)

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• Comment. I don't think deleting is right answer because this is a real people group. This book seems to indicate the mangral are a clan of the Dogra people. Here is some content on the people group. I'm not an expert on the people groups of Pakistan but this should either be stubified or redirected or merged under WP:ATD at the very least. Best.4meter4 (talk) 21:20, 26 November 2024 (UTC)
• Comment I only saw this late at night. To help out, I only had time to add the above book reference given above by

4meter4. Hope other editors also chip in because it's a lengthy article that somehow ended up without any References....Ngrewal1 (talk) 02:34, 27 November 2024 (UTC)

• Draftify: For now its not ready for main space. If people want to contribute than they can do so in Draft space. Wikibear47 (talk) 15:43, 27 November 2024 (UTC)

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List of genocides committed by the United States

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The article should be deleted because the author is a sockpuppet NotSoTough (talk) 17:15, 26 November 2024 (UTC)

• Speedy Delete per WP:G5.4meter4 (talk) 19:32, 26 November 2024 (UTC)
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• Speedy Delete - WP:G5. Also this is just a linking of various existing Wikipedia articles on select conflicts. The 2003 American Indian Wars covers the same issue, but is a much better coverage. It's not something that lends itself to a simple list. — Maile (talk) 21:42, 26 November 2024 (UTC)
• Keep - All of the examples listed are examples of genocide/attempts of ethnic cleansing committed by the United States. The fact that it was created by a sockpuppet should be irrelevant; many articles have been created by sockpuppets.ApolloPhoebus (talk) 23:22, 26 November 2024 (UTC)

• Delete, if not protect - WP:G5, to my knowledge at least, only applies to articles made by users in defiance of their ban, so it wouldn't apply here. However, this list serves little purpose, as everything it mentions is covered better elsewhere, and in its current unprotected state, could easily become a WP:SOAPBOX.

Heck, in its initial state, it included black genocide, trans genocide, and workers genocide (an article the sock was drafting at the time), hence why the WP:NPOV tag was added (before getting removed by the commenter above me).

If it isn't deleted, it should at the very least be WP:BLUE LOCKed and actually converted to a list. ZionniThePeruser (talk) 23:44, 26 November 2024 (UTC)

Asserting that the article "serves little purpose" is a WP:USELESS argument; the content is clearly encyclopedic material, as the United States has verifiably committed several genocides. This list is just that; a list of genocides that the US has committed. Yes, things can be better covered elsewhere, but the purpose of this list is navigation; this list's removal would damage a reader's ability to navigate between those genocides. I do agree that the article should be protected, however, as it is clearly a contentious topic and prone to biased edits and sockpuppetry. ApolloPhoebus (talk) 23:57, 26 November 2024 (UTC)

I'm very curious how a new account, just created a few days ago, stumbled upon this deletion discussion and that WP:USELESS essay. Esolo5002 (talk) 05:45, 27 November 2024 (UTC)

That seems irrelevant to me. You need to assess what is said rather than who said it and how much seniority they have. Athel cb (talk) 10:41, 27 November 2024 (UTC)

• Keep: Don't know about the situation of the article creator. However, the topic seems to be a reasonable aid to navigation. The list could / should be significantly improved, but I don't see why it would be deleted. Shazback (talk) 00:48, 27 November 2024 (UTC)

  Here's the sockpuppet investigation for reference: Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/KlayCax ZionniThePeruser (talk) 01:15, 27 November 2024 (UTC)

• Comment. This is an interesting one. This was most certainly created by a sockpuppet with an axe to grind. But it does seem like a reasonable navigational tool. Maybe move to Accusations of genocide by the United States for WP:NPOV concerns? Also noteworthy is that List of genocides committed by the Soviet Union was also created in direct response to this. I guess what I'm trying to say is that I strongly oppose speedy deletion. Esolo5002 (talk) 05:40, 27 November 2024 (UTC)

  Perhaps said article should've been included in this AfD, considering they're both so similar in content and format. ZionniThePeruser (talk) 07:24, 27 November 2024 (UTC)

• Keep I'm bewildered by this nomination. It's an important page and useful navigational tool. It can be improved, but there is no reason to delete it. There have been several contributors to the page. The vast majority of contributions did not come from sockpuppet accounts. Firecat93 (talk) 09:29, 27 November 2024 (UTC)

  Perhaps ironically, NotSoTough, the user that nominated the page for deletion, has been confirmed to be a sockpuppet account!

  This account has been confirmed by a CheckUser as a sockpuppet of BaharatlıCheetos2.0 (talk · contribs · logs), and has been blocked indefinitely. Firecat93 (talk) 09:34, 27 November 2024 (UTC)

• Keep Doesn't matter who created the topic, its a valid list article. Category:Native American genocide exist, and a list is more helpful than a category, allowing more information to be shown. Could add rows to list information such as year that it happened, number killed, etc. Dream Focus 10:20, 27 November 2024 (UTC)
• Keep. I agree with Dream Focus, Shazback and ApolloPhoebus that there is no valid reason to delete this article. Whether one likes it or not it is well worthy of including in Wikipedia. Athel cb (talk) 10:38, 27 November 2024 (UTC)

• Keep would be very useful (though probably needs to be developed or made into a disambiguation), made by a socketpuppet or not. Mason7512 (talk) 15:59, 27 November 2024 (UTC)

• Keep This list article is perfectly fine; it should be kept and maintained. Even when article creators are malicious users, if the topics are substantiated topics, they shouldn't be deleted without more thorough reasoning. --Bhjbggoonnv (talk) 04:20, 28 November 2024 (UTC)

• Request that we remove 'nominated for deletion' AfD from top of article The individual who initially nominated this article for deletion is ironically also a sockpuppet. No content-relevant reasoning has been provided for deletion. There is no need for the template at the top to remain. --Bhjbggoonnv (talk) 04:44, 28 November 2024 (UTC)

  It will be removed once the discussion is closed. Firecat93 (talk) 06:34, 28 November 2024 (UTC)

• Delete - It currently serves no purpose other than being an article that should be made into a category. Another editor pointed out that Native American genocide in the United States exists but the difference between these two articles is that one (the native american article) has content and the other (this one in question) is only a list of entries. Now if it was made into a table, had citations to go along with it, and explanations about it than it would be a different story. The lack of sources also doesn't help WP:GNG even though it should be on Wikipedia, the lack of sources doesn't help notability. Cowboygilbert - (talk) ♥ 16:12, 28 November 2024 (UTC)

Delete this is a glorified category. Could be something more at this title, but as is there is nothing here to save. PARAKANYAA (talk) 01:03, 29 November 2024 (UTC)

• Delete The title is completely misleading. There is still debate about whether actions against Native Americans constitute a genocide, while the other entries are genocides committed by others, with alleged complicity by the US. There is not really anything that has been fully confirmed as such, despite what the title implies. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 02:45, 29 November 2024 (UTC)

  In general, it is widely considered that there were a genocide against Native Americas, in the several pages about the topic in wikipedia this is pretty well documented. For other cases abroad there are also other pages in Wikipedia reporting at least a reasonable basis for that consideration (the International War Crimes Tribunal is a good example). An this is even not considering sources outside of Wikipedia, as I commented even the Holocaust Houston Museum has a topic about it. Even there is apage about the Denial of genocides of Indigenous peoples. AyubuZimbale (talk) 15:18, 30 November 2024 (UTC)

• Delete This article if wanted as reasonable aid to navigation should be converted into a category - and pretty much per cowboygilbert The AP (talk) 05:42, 29 November 2024 (UTC)

• Keep it is informative and it is collecting relevant historical articles in wikipedia. Although the page is incomplete and further work is needed. There is a relevant number of sources about the topic, for example Holocaust Huston Museum , or this article. In principle the disagreement was in the definition of genocide however with the current definition given in UN, it seems that there is no question about the genocide of Native Americans both in North America and South America. AyubuZimbale (talk) 14:34, 29 November 2024 (UTC)
• Delete Too subjective. ArvindPalaskar (talk) 03:09, 30 November 2024 (UTC)

  It is quite objective. Other question would be the best way to proceed: category or this page. But I note that there are pages of other countries not marked for deletion which seems to be quite inconsistent. AyubuZimbale (talk) 15:21, 30 November 2024 (UTC)

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Weak delete - material seems fine, even if created by sockpuppet. Main issue is that the grouping of domestic genocides and international complicity in genocides seems like a WP:synth, not sure there are sourcing that combines all in one list outside of wikipedia. the International complicity in genocides could be split into a separate article, maybe, if there are sources that talk about all the international genocides the US is accused of being complicit in. The domestic genocides are mostly captured by Native_American_genocide_in_the_United_States. Bluethricecreamman (talk) 21:32, 3 December 2024 (UTC)

going off of Liz's suggestion, not sure all genocides US was ever complicit in is regularly combined and talked about like this... maybe United_States_war_crimes for international complicity, but these generally aren't grouped like this in sourcing. Bluethricecreamman (talk) 21:35, 3 December 2024 (UTC)

Ron Raj (Rajat Kumar Dey)

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Non-notable film director. Sources only mention the subject in passing, and reliable sources are clearly lacking. Fails WP:NDIRECTOR. CycloneYoris ^talk! 20:39, 3 December 2024 (UTC)

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Fiorenzo Manganiello

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Fiorenzo Manganiello (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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I don't think much has changed since the last AfD. Most of the sources are insignificant/primary: quotes, mentions, interviews. Does not pass WP:BASIC or WP:NACADEMIC. Frost 11:34, 26 November 2024 (UTC)

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@Frost, Sir/Madam, I have used those references that are not merely quotes or mere mentions. These are news articles that gets published or covered by third party sources. These are not promotional content se. Still, you are more experienced editor than me and can guide me as I have done my research and can share references that fulfill the criteria of WP:BASIC. Your guidance will be highly appreciated. ~~~~ Fanalrino (talk) 12:40, 26 November 2024 (UTC)

Also, I have cross checked again. All of the mentioned sources are secondary sources and not simply mentions or interviews and I think so passes the WP:BASIC. So, the subject passes the Notability criteria and should be there on wikipedia. Fanalrino (talk) 13:36, 26 November 2024 (UTC)

Since you are more experienced than me and can help in editing all relevant reasons for deletion, please do highlight so it can be fixed instead of nominating it for deletion. Your input on this matter will be highly appreciated. Fanalrino (talk) 13:41, 26 November 2024 (UTC)

• Weak delete. No sign whatsoever of WP:NPROF. For GNG, I see press releases, a few passing mentions in reliable sources, and unreliable sources. I do not think it is enough. Russ Woodroofe (talk) 14:37, 26 November 2024 (UTC)
• Keep: It does fulfill the criteria for WP:GNG as majority of citations are from secondary reliable sources and do not have passing mentions only. There are complete articles on the subject and about his business. I do agree with the fact that it does not fall under WP:NPROF but it does fulfill the criteria for WP:GNG. It specifically cover the clause titled as ""Significant coverage" addresses the topic directly and in detail, so that no original research is needed to extract the content. Significant coverage is more than a trivial mention, but it does not need to be the main topic of the source material." Also, it adhers to clause "There is no fixed number of sources required since sources vary in quality and depth of coverage, but multiple sources are generally expected." So, I think so it should not be deleted. Fanalrino (talk) 17:37, 26 November 2024 (UTC)

• Comment:. For complying with WP:GNG, I have added news article sources that are considered secondary sources and these are not mere trivial mentions but specifically written articles about him and his company. They are not interviews and sources like Business Insider or Saudi Gazette, or even Cryptonomist are secondary sources and subject's coverage on these sources clearly shows that he does fulfill the criteria of Notability according to wikipedia guidelines. Also, any additional information that is not backed easily with strong secondary references has been revmoed earlier. So, I would request that Deletion notice should be deleted. Thanks Fanalrino (talk) 19:41, 27 November 2024 (UTC)

• Comment:I would also like to strengthen my case with following arguments:

General Notability Guidelines WP:GNG

Manganiello's activities, such as co-founding LIAN Group and PolarDC, have been covered in reliable, independent sources like Financial Times, Business Insider, and Digital Infra Network. Coverage demonstrates significant attention beyond mere mentions, highlighting his influence in venture capital and blockchain. Academic Notability WP:NACADEMIC

Manganiello's role as a professor at Geneva Business School and ambassador to the Global Blockchain Business Council suggests academic impact in blockchain education, an emerging field of global importance. Entrepreneurial Contributions WP:NPROF

Founding sustainable blockchain firms (e.g., Cowa) addresses pressing industry challenges, earning him accolades like Blockchain Expert Switzerland. His contributions align with public interest criteria. Reliable Sources and Secondary Coverage

While there is one keen source that is primary (e.g., Geneva Business School), there are substantial secondary sources discuss his ventures, philanthropy, and investments (e.g., Techerati, Cryptonomist), meeting WP:RS It is not only press releases that are about him. There are multiple secondary source articles that are discussing his achievements and of his company. Public Interest and Context

Blockchain and sustainable crypto are critical global discussions, and I think so figures like Manganiello, backed by notable funding and initiatives, enrich this discourse.Fanalrino (talk) 20:16, 27 November 2024 (UTC)

• Comment:I have improved the article further after its nomination for deletion. The keen issue was of references and I have fixed that by citing majority news articles about the subject that are secondary and not trivial mentions. Also, I have removed extra information that was backed by primary sources. So, I hope it does fulfill the criteria now and it should not be deleted. If there is a further room for improvement, you guys are more expereinced than me and your guidance will mean alot. Thanks Fanalrino (talk) 20:41, 27 November 2024 (UTC)

• Comment: Even if we consider it according to WP:THREE, [13], [14], [15]], [16]], [17] all qualifies as secondary sources and are following the guideline provided in WP:GNG stated as ""Significant coverage" addresses the topic directly and in detail, so that no original research is needed to extract the content. Significant coverage is more than a trivial mention, but it does not need to be the main topic of the source material."

One last point, I would like to add that I did check the previous nomination and in fact those sources were not sufficient according to wikipedia guidelines. But now, majority of the references are new and secondary and are fulfilling the criteria set according to WP:GNG. The article has been improved alot since its nomination and new references and content of the article is improved. Fanalrino (talk) 18:59, 3 December 2024 (UTC)

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Adani University

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Per WP:NSCHOOL, Universities need to satisfy the stringent WP:NORG in order to have an article on Wikipedia. There are indeed sources here, but they are only discussing announcements of either opening of the university or its accreditation by Indian authorities, which is only WP:ROUTINE coverage not WP:SIGCOV, they may also fall under the purview of WP:NEWSORGINDIA - Ratnahastin (talk) 07:16, 26 November 2024 (UTC)

• Keep Fully accredited degree issuing University recognized by the University Grants Commission (India) passes WP:GNG added references and there is coverage in Hindi and Gujarati languages as well.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 07:52, 26 November 2024 (UTC)

• Draftify Yes, many of the sources in the article are reprints of press releases or trivial coverage, but not all. I checked the WP:RSPSS entry for the Times of India and there are concerns with fact-checking and ensuring paid advertorials (particularly in entertainment) are not used, but the facts of the articles published on Adani University do not appear to be disputed and as far as I could tell these were not paid advertorials. I think this is probably notable based on the sources identified and, particularly needing in mind that local sources may not be in English, I would vote to keep on notability grounds. However, this is a three sentence article with a large number of low-quality sources, often repeating the same press releases. It would not hurt to draftify the article to allow time for better sources to be identified and a better article to be written. Robminchin (talk) 08:17, 30 November 2024 (UTC)

References

• Keep - I believe the references found, added and listed above by Pharaoh of the Wizards establish SIGCOV beyond what was described in the AfD nomination. starship.paint (talk / cont) 09:29, 26 November 2024 (UTC)
  • Withdrawn my vote above after reviewing WP:NEWSORGINDIA and the sources again. starship.paint (talk / cont) 14:53, 26 November 2024 (UTC)

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• Delete: I don’t see any policy that states being a fully accredited, degree-issuing university automatically meets notability. Upon reviewing the sources provided by Pharoh, I strongly disagree that the subject meet the criteria outlined in WP:GNG. These sources fail to provide WP:SIGCOV and instead rely on quotes from primary or connected college officials. They include press releases, such as the Deccan Chronicle, and paid articles, like ABP Live. As a result, I do not believe this article meets our notability guidelines under WP:NSCHOOL. GrabUp - Talk 13:14, 26 November 2024 (UTC)
• Delete: The sources provided mainly cover individual events such as MoUs, convocations, and approvals and the majority of references are from press releases, media outlets with a limited scope, and self-promotional content. Fails WP:SIGCOV.--— MimsMENTOR ^talk 13:54, 27 November 2024 (UTC)
• Keep - article can be expanded with the sources Qalb alasid (talk) 06:47, 28 November 2024 (UTC)
• Delete. Undoubtedly, it fails WP:NSCHOOL. Promotional or routine coverage is not enough for addressing this concern. desmay (talk) 01:55, 1 December 2024 (UTC)
• Comment as pointed by Hideja above this passes WP:THREE.WP:SCHOOLOUTCOMES does state "Most independently accredited degree-awarding institutions have enough coverage to be notable, although that coverage may not be readily available online. There is coverage in Hindi ,Gujarati languages and in offline sources in addition to English online sources.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 03:31, 1 December 2024 (UTC)

  WP:THREE is an essay, WP:SCHOOLOUTCOMES itself says that it should not be cited in AfD !vote. - Ratnahastin (talk) 05:48, 3 December 2024 (UTC)

• Keep per Pharaoh of the Wizards. Offline notability; the article generated over a thousand page views in the last 30 days. Western criteria/sense for notability shouldn't be excessively applied to educational institutions (especially universities) in the Indian subcontinent, as this would result in the deletion of most of these locally important articles. -- CptViraj (talk) 06:13, 1 December 2024 (UTC) Minor changes. -- CptViraj (talk) 06:23, 1 December 2024 (UTC)

KEEP meets GNG and wp:three.There is coverage in gujarati, hindi media and offline sources also. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hideja (talk • contribs) 03:06, 1 December 2024 (UTC) Note moved comment down ,Please do not remove comments.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 13:33, 1 December 2024 (UTC)— Hideja (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.

• Keep the references listed above by Pharaoh of the Wizards establish WP:SIGCOV and is sufficent for this article.In addition to Offline notability.115.97.231.229 (talk) 05:31, 3 December 2024 (UTC)— 115.97.231.229 (talk) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.

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Subaqueous volcano

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Synonym of submarine volcano, I propose that this article is turned into a REDIRECT which leads to Submarine volcano. Clone commando sev (talk) 23:48, 18 November 2024 (UTC)

Oppose. The term "submarine volcano" refers to volcanoes under the ocean whereas "subaqueous volcano" is used to describe volcanoes that formed under lakes.

Volcanoguy 00:00, 19 November 2024 (UTC)

Not true. The term seems universally to be used to refer to all underwater eruptions, with submarine eruptions forming the marine subset. For illustration, see the editorial and pretty much every contribution in this FES special issue on subaqueous volcanism. If the article is meant to refer to lacustrine volcanism, which to some degree seems to be a recognized sub-category, then it will have to be renamed; and reworked, because it currently is happily covering submarine volcanism - e.g., those Honshu deposits are submarine, and there is a section "Seafloor exploration". --Elmidae (talk · contribs) 13:02, 23 November 2024 (UTC)

yup, this is supported by all the literature I found, hence why I nominated the article. Clone commando sev (talk) 23:49, 24 November 2024 (UTC)

@Elmidae: I never claimed subaqueous is only used to describe volcanoes that formed under lakes. A subaqueous volcano is simply a volcano that formed underwater, thus I wouldn't have a problem with merging submarine volcano into subaqueous volcano since submarine volcanoes are basically a type of subaqueous volcano along with lacustrine volcanoes. Volcanoguy 23:00, 25 November 2024 (UTC)

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• Question.The term seems universally to be used to refer to all underwater eruptions, with submarine eruptions forming the marine subset. If the submarine volcano is a subset of Subaqueous volcano why are we merging Subaqueous volcano to submarine volcano? It should be the other way around with subaqueous volcano being the parent article. Obviously the subaqueous volcano article would need substantial rewriting, but as the umbrella term it should take precedent over "submarine volcano" which could be a subsection inside the parent article.4meter4 (talk) 09:54, 25 November 2024 (UTC)

From a hierarchy persperctive, I think it would make more sense. But on the other hand, almost all subaqueous volcanoes appear to be submarine (not surprising), so while it's not the technical parent term, it is by far the most frequently encountered one. There are presumably cases where we put the main article at the dominant sub-topic rather than at the infrequent parent topic? Eh :/ --Elmidae (talk · contribs) 10:10, 25 November 2024 (UTC)

@Elmidae Got you. It might do a service to the world though to merge submarine volcano to Subaqueous volcano because I am seeing the fallacy that subaqueous volcanos are different than submarine volcanos on layman discussion threads and even the kidspedia webpage for volcanos which made the same claim as Volcanoguy. It's clearly a place of confusion that is a common error among amateur volcano enthusiasts. If our coverage merges to subaqueous volcano and presents submarine volcanos as a type of subaqueous volcano (and we could also cover lacustrine volcanism on that page) we would be the first encyclopedia to help solve that widely held errata among the general public.4meter4 (talk) 11:39, 25 November 2024 (UTC)

4meter4 (talk · contribs) I don't know which of my claims you're referring to, but I don't have a problem with merging submarine volcano into subaqueous volcano. I think those involved in this AfD misinterpreted my first comment as meaning subaqueous volcanoes occur only in lakes which is not what I meant. Volcanoguy 22:31, 25 November 2024 (UTC)

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Support merge per above. Procyon117 (talk) 14:58, 26 November 2024 (UTC)

Oppose redirect of Subaqueous volcano to Submarine volcano.

Keep Subaqueous volcano and keep Submarine volcano.

Submarine volcanoes are a subset of subaqueous volcanoes, so I oppose a merge of Subaqueous volcano into Submarine volcano.

There are numerous scientific sources that describe sea floor (i.e. submarine) volcanic processes as "subaqueous volcanism" even when they are describing only submarine volcanoes, although the term "submarine volcanism" is also widely used. When describing specific sea floor volcanoes, however, the term "submarine volcano" seems to be preferred. I think this might be because the processes of subaqueous volcanism occur on the sea floor as well as in other geological environments, but sea floor volcanic edifices form only on the sea floor.

I suggest that the Subaqueous volcano article should be kept, but changed to become an overview article with sections on the three types of subaqueous volcanoes: (1) submarine (shallow sea and deep sea subtypes), (2) subglacial, (3) lacustrine. It would be an ideal article to compare and contrast these different volcanic environments. Each of the sections would have "Main article" templates wikilinking to their respective detailed articles: (already existing) Submarine volcano, Subglacial volcano; (to be created) Lacustrine volcano. Some text from these three detailed articles could be copied to or summarised in the overview article. There is still plenty of scope for adding new details from external reliable sources about only sea floor volcanoes to the Submarine volcano article, so I oppose a complete merge of the Submarine volcano article into the Subaqueous volcano article. GeoWriter (talk) 21:40, 29 November 2024 (UTC)

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Sher Singh Rana

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“This individual does not meet Wikipedia’s notability guidelines. They are neither a politician nor a public figure of significance. Being a small-time criminal convicted and serving a sentence in a murder case does not establish notability. There are millions of individuals worldwide who face incarceration, and this alone is not a criterion for inclusion on Wikipedia.” Spider1217 (talk) 20:13, 3 December 2024 (UTC)

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Keep unless I'm missing something huge this seems like an extremely significant crime and the coverage appears to be reasonably in depth. A search found more. PARAKANYAA (talk) 20:54, 3 December 2024 (UTC)

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Jalen Markey

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I am unable to find anything approaching WP:SIGCOV for this American former soccer player. JTtheOG (talk) 20:04, 3 December 2024 (UTC)

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Pantelis Pitsillos

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This footballer played mainly in the lower levels of Cyprus and with little coverage. I found Gazzetta Greece, Sigma Live and Pafos Net, none of which showed significant coverage of Pitsillos. No evidence of WP:SPORTBASIC. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 19:20, 3 December 2024 (UTC)

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• Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. GiantSnowman 21:04, 3 December 2024 (UTC)

Hamad Al-Juhaini

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Another poorly sourced BLP with no claim to passing WP:SPORTBASIC created by a banned user. The best source that I can find in Arabic is a stats page, FilGoal. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 18:59, 3 December 2024 (UTC)

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• Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. GiantSnowman 21:03, 3 December 2024 (UTC)

Saleh Al-Arfej

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Poorly sourced BLP on a footballer with a very brief career and no evidence of a WP:SPORTBASIC pass, created by a now-banned user. My Arabic searches yielded stats coverage on Kooora and Koraplus and a match report mention on Kooora. None of this is even close to enough. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 18:49, 3 December 2024 (UTC)

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• Delete: I am unable to find anything approaching WP:SIGCOV. JTtheOG (talk) 19:32, 3 December 2024 (UTC)
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• Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. GiantSnowman 21:03, 3 December 2024 (UTC)

Phillip Broughton

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Four years after the notability banner was added, the article remains largely unsourced with two of the three references for this article being Broughton's own blog. PlateOfToast (talk) 18:48, 3 December 2024 (UTC)

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• Comment: The blog sources weren't at all difficult to replace. He was profiled plenty of times in the media when he stood for leadership of UKIP, though the profiles are largely similar to one another and not tremendously long (Broughton came fourth and seems to have sunk without trace). Being a losing candidate in a national paerliamentary election doesn't give much weight in my view, and the current weight (and unsourced analysis) in the current Wikipedia article is not warranted. I'd probably incline towards "Weak delete" and maybe mention the candidates for UKIP leader, in the UKIP Wikipedia article.Sionk (talk) 00:33, 4 December 2024 (UTC)

Chief of the General Staff (Bangladesh)

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Previously draftified. WP:DRAFTOBJECT means it can only be sent back to draft by consensus. This is a formal proposal to Draftify on the basis that it is unready for mainspace. It is not about the role in any meaningful manner, but is a list of incumbents. What does the Chief of General Staff do? What do reliable independent sources say about the role? Why are some of the references 404 errors and another a dead server?. Returning this to draft will give the creating editor the breathing space they need and deserve to create the correct article. Ideally they should not return it to mainspace unilaterally, but use the AFC system, though I recognise that the system is not mandatory 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 18:47, 3 December 2024 (UTC)

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• Draftify per nom. This is a good instance where extra time would be beneficial for the content. Bobby Cohn (talk) 19:43, 3 December 2024 (UTC)
• Draftify per nom. A plant and run case, the list could have been decent if it hadn't been created in haste. Dead links need to be fixed, and inline citations should be added. Garudam ^Talk! 21:20, 3 December 2024 (UTC)

Satish R. Devane

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The subject does not meet the notability criteria under WP:NACADEMIC and has only served at non-notable institutions and small colleges, further limiting eligibility for inclusion. There is also no evidence of WP:GNG as an alternative for retention. TheBirdsShedTears (talk) 17:56, 3 December 2024 (UTC)

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The London Scene (film)

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Article about a television documentary film, not properly sourced as passing either WP:NFILM or WP:TVSHOW. As always, films (regardless of their status as theatrical or television films) are not automatically entitled to Wikipedia articles just because they existed, and have to show some evidence of their significance (awards, cultural impact, etc.) referenced to WP:GNG-worthy coverage about them -- but this cites no referencing at all, and even its external link is a dead directory listing that just redirects back to the front splash page of the site rather than to any profile of the film, while searching that site for this film title fails to bring up evidence of any profile existing at a different URL either.
As I don't have good access to archived British media coverage from the 1960s, I'm willing to withdraw this if somebody who does have such access can find enough coverage to salvage this, but simple existence isn't "inherently" notable enough to exempt it from having to have any sourcing. Bearcat (talk) 17:08, 3 December 2024 (UTC)

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• Redirect to Survival (TV series), which already has a paragraph about it as the first Survival film. While there are references to it in books about nature documentaries, it seems to always be in the context of the series - and looking at TV listings for 1st February 1961, it only aired in London, Anglia and the Southeast, which will limit contemporary reviews. It's a plausible search term, though, so the redirect is probably worthwhile. Adam Sampson (talk) 18:45, 3 December 2024 (UTC)

Kyohei Hagiwara

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MMA fighter fails WP:NMMA (no evidence of ever ranking in world top 10 for division) and WP:NSPORT/WP:GNG for lack of WP:SIGCOV. Coverage in article (and in WP:BEFORE search) is routine match coverage and/or non-independent coverage on the website of his fighting federation. Dclemens1971 (talk) 16:36, 3 December 2024 (UTC)

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O'Reilly Open Source Award

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Lack of independent notability for a defunct prize, without page improvement despite tagging for 4 years. My search show reliable sources discussing the prize only in the context of Tim O'Reilly (the founder) or O'Reilly Media. Merging was considered (to O'Reilly Open Source Convention), but rejected in a February proposal over at Talk:OSCON. In the abscence of a merge, and without independent notability, deleting seems the next best solution. Klbrain (talk) 16:34, 3 December 2024 (UTC)

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• Redirect to O'Reilly Open Source Convention, might be able to merge the lead but the the full list of awards is a violation of WP:NOTDB and doesn't pass WP:NLIST. (I'll note that the aforementioned proposal wasn't rejected, there was no consensus, we can find it here if we so choose). Bobby Cohn (talk) 16:56, 3 December 2024 (UTC)
• Redirect or merge: to the main Convention article, seems to be part of that, without its own notability. Oaktree b (talk) 17:26, 3 December 2024 (UTC)
• Strong Keep (no redirect nor merge) both on the grounds that there are plenty of similar awards lists on Wikipedia, and that at this point this is worthy history to document. It was notable at the time, and that should be sufficient. More recent assertions of notability or lack there of should be rejected.
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SKANS School of Accountancy

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Non-notable for-profit accounting school, fails WP:NORG. Gheus (talk) 16:21, 3 December 2024 (UTC)

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@Gheus, did you search for sources in Arabic? Did you check the Pakistani newspapers? WhatamIdoing (talk) 19:57, 3 December 2024 (UTC)

Dharti TV

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Non-notable local channel, lacks independent coverage. Fails WP:GNG. Gheus (talk) 16:17, 3 December 2024 (UTC)

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Comilla Polytechnic Institute

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The only independent reliable sources found are brief mentions within primary source news reports about broader events (e.g. https://www.thedailystar.net/news-detail-75355, https://en.prothomalo.com/bangladesh/5enz43u7pl, etc.). Per WP:SIRS, primary sources do not count towards establishing notability. This title was previously redirected to the supervising Bangladesh Technical Education Board, where the school is listed, but the redirect was removed by an editor without regard to Wikipedia's notability guidelines. Worldbruce (talk) 16:10, 3 December 2024 (UTC)

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@Worldbruce, non-profit and government-run schools don't have to comply with WP:SIRS. They only have to meet the GNG.

Also, did you check for sources in the Bengali language? Or in the local newspapers, such as the ones listed in Comilla#Media? When an article says that a secondary school is one of the oldest and largest of its type in its entire country, and that it has thousands of students, the failure to find sources usually turns out to say more about our limited search skills than the actual availability of sources. WhatamIdoing (talk) 20:02, 3 December 2024 (UTC)

@WhatamIdoing: Nearly all of my editing is of Bangladesh-related topics, so I'm constantly searching in Bengali, but sometimes forget that not everyone will know that, and neglect to mention it explicitly in nominations. In addition to general searches in Bengali, I specifically searched three local news outlets that in my experience are reliable: amodbd, comillarkagoj and dailyamadercomilla.

My reading of WP:ORG is that all schools must comply with WP:SIRS or WP:GNG, so I agree with you in part. Although WP:ORG's second sentence says "The scope of this guideline covers all groups ... with the exception of non-profit educational institutions, ...", its subsection WP:NSCHOOL says "All universities, colleges and schools, ... must satisfy either the notability guidelines for organizations (i.e., this page) or the general notability guideline." The subsection goes on to say that with respect to WP:ORG, for-profit educational institutions must in addition satisfy WP:COMMERCIAL. WP:SIRS is not part of the commercial requirements, but part of the top level "Primary criteria" section. WP:GNG doesn't spell it out as forcefully as WP:SIRS does, but says "'Sources' [used to establish notability] should be secondary sources ..." I can substitute that language for what I said about WP:SIRS in the nomination if you prefer, but the thrust of my argument remains the same.

It's true that Comilla Polytechnic Institute (1962) is one of the oldest government polytechnics in what is now Bangladesh, but the same can be said of the other 20 or so that were set up between 1955 and 1964. About 30 more have been established, I think all since 2000. Very little has been written about them individually, but some sources cover them collectively, so I believe a redirect to an article that treats them as a group is best. --Worldbruce (talk) 02:47, 4 December 2024 (UTC)

Pakistan Observer

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Non-notable newspaper, coverage is mostly related to its founder, Zahid Malik. Fails WP:NCORP. I suggest to delete this article and then redirect to The Bangladesh Observer which was once a notable newspaper known as Pakistan Observer in Pakistan but was later renamed after East Pakistan independence. Gheus (talk) 16:07, 3 December 2024 (UTC)

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Public News (Pakistan)

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Non-notable news channel, coverage is mostly related to its founder Yousaf Baig Mirza. Fails WP:GNG. Gheus (talk) 15:46, 3 December 2024 (UTC)

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Abb Takk News

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The best source about this TV station is of Reporters Without Borders' article, but unfortunately it is very brief and says that this channel is known for "copying Indian TV channel ‘AajTakk’ down to its logo and most graphic designs." This is not enough to pass WP:NCORP which requires multiple in-depth articles in independent sources. Gheus (talk) 15:41, 3 December 2024 (UTC)

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SUCH TV

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Regulatory actions/penalties like this and this are enough to pass WP:NCORP. Gheus (talk) 15:38, 3 December 2024 (UTC)

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• Keep: The nom seems to want to keep the article and the sourcing is fine. The ones used in the article and above count as RS. What was the issue, why was this nominated for deletion? Oaktree b (talk) 17:28, 3 December 2024 (UTC)
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• Procedural keep Please elaborate on a reason for deletion, Gheus. Nate • (chatter) 00:34, 4 December 2024 (UTC)

Ravi Motorcycles

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Non-notable motorcycle manufacturer. WP:CORPTRIV mentions like this are not enough to pass WP:NCORP. Gheus (talk) 15:20, 3 December 2024 (UTC)

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GTV Network (Pakistan)

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Non-notable local TV station. Lacks independent coverage that addresses the topic directly and in detail. Fails WP:GNG. Gheus (talk) 15:13, 3 December 2024 (UTC)

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El Camino Media

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There isn't any significant coverage for this label. There are trivial mentions but nothing more. Frost 11:56, 26 November 2024 (UTC)

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Keep: the article functions as a list of artists on the label. A majority of the artists are blue linked per WP:CSC (and can be expanded to more as I found sufficient sourcing for a couple), and there's several notable albums that make up a category attached to the page. Koopastar (talk) 05:42, 2 December 2024 (UTC)

It's an article about a company that doesn't meet the notability guideline for companies. Notability is not inherited. Having notable artists or albums doesn't make the label itself notable. Frost 05:56, 2 December 2024 (UTC)

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The result was delete‎. ✗plicit 14:46, 3 December 2024 (UTC)

Wildflower, California

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One of Carlossuarez46's mass-created articles based on GNIS, an unreliable source. On the same day they created this article, they created 129 other articles. No evidence that this was ever more than the store at the cross-roads that is presently called "Wild Flower", and which would have had a post-office in it for the use of people passing by. To be notable, stores and post-offices need to pass WP:NCORP, which is clearly not passed.

Was PROD'd and de-PROD'd last year since the de-PRODer thought it might pass GEOLAND. Briefly, this article fails WP:GEOLAND due to lack of legal recognition (e.g., incorporation as a town) and WP:GNG due to the lack of significant coverage in reliable sources. FOARP (talk) 11:17, 26 November 2024 (UTC)

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• Delete - no evidence that this passes WP:GNG or that there is actually a community there other than the Wild Flower Market (store). The common name also complicates searching for information. starship.paint (talk / cont) 13:08, 26 November 2024 (UTC)

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Delete. Fails WP:GNG and WP:GEOLAND. I was unable to find any sources about the location and I cannot find anything notable about it at all. Beachweak (talk) 14:42, 3 December 2024 (UTC)

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Larson Angok

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Bio about a musician and activist who does not meet WP:NMUSIC or WP:BASIC. The article was declined in draftspace and moved to mainspace by its creator.

Almost none of the information in the draft is supported by the sources, which have been added at random places in the text. Of the seven sources, five are press releases about him being arrested (which is not mentioned in the article), one (pachodo.org) is a crowdsourced / user generated platform, and one is Angok's own organisation. bonadea contributions talk 13:43, 3 December 2024 (UTC)

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FTR, this had already been through the process of draft submission - decline - move to mainspace - redraftification, which is why I didn't draftify it again. There have never been any independent and reliable sources in the draft, and looking at the previous AfD, there were no such sources available then, either. --bonadea contributions talk 13:47, 3 December 2024 (UTC)

• Delete: Seems to be a few stories about the singer's arrest, but I'm not sure that shows notability. I can't find any of the usual factors we'd look at for NMUSIC, doesn't appear to have charted or released albums on a commercial label. Oaktree b (talk) 14:06, 3 December 2024 (UTC)
• Delete - In agreement with the nominator. The gentleman's music has received no reliable notice that I can find, and his other activities may have some social impact in his country but that does not make them notable. The article violates WP:NOTPROMOTION and WP:NOTRESUME. ---DOOMSDAYER520 (TALK|CONTRIBS) 14:28, 3 December 2024 (UTC)

• Delete: No evidence of passing NMUSIC or GNG

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Anna Holland

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At Template:Did you know nominations/Phoebe Plummer, I argued that this BLP does not meet the independent notability standards of WP:CRIMINAL; the article creator disagreed. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 13:28, 3 December 2024 (UTC)

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• Keep - Perhaps more input from others here. It was a protest, and in some ways exactly the result they were looking for. She was sentenced to prison time. — Maile (talk) 17:13, 3 December 2024 (UTC)
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Pat Carroll (soccer)

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Minor soccer player supported only by primary sources. Fails WP:SPORTCRIT and WP:GNG, spells in his two clubs only yielded 366 minutes of playing time combined. Geschichte (talk) 12:27, 3 December 2024 (UTC)

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Jeff Carroll (soccer)

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Minor soccer player supported only by primary sources and routine coverage. Fails WP:SPORTCRIT and WP:GNG, spells in his two last clubs only yielded 829 minutes of playing time combined. Geschichte (talk) 12:30, 3 December 2024 (UTC)

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Tomáš Vantruba

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Yet another long-time stub of a Slovak men's footballer named Tomáš without sign of meeting WP:GNG. He played 87 minutes of professional league before moving to lower leagues. There are some mentions of him with his twin brother, Martin, but I can't find sources to merit a standalone, independent SIGCOV for Tomáš Vantruba himself. ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 12:27, 3 December 2024 (UTC)

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• Delete. Didn't really have a career, so what can we expect coverage-wise? Geschichte (talk) 13:20, 3 December 2024 (UTC)
• Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 18:43, 3 December 2024 (UTC)
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• Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. GiantSnowman 21:02, 3 December 2024 (UTC)

Galatasaray Mobile

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This page seems to be entirely irrelevant and has minimal sources to back up details about its existence. Last edits adding actual content was in the mid 2010s, proving its irrelevancy. This is my first actual AfD, so pardon me if I am mistaken, but fixing the article up seems unfruitful. --~eticangaaa (talk) 12:27, 2 December 2024 (UTC)

• Delete: This is alI could find, I'm unsure if it's a press release or not [18] and it's only one source anyway. Not enough to show notability here. Oaktree b (talk) 14:08, 3 December 2024 (UTC)
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Red Alert (video game)

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It does not appear to pass WP:GNG. However, finding sources for this game is hellish due to the Command and Conquer series PLUS the other game of the same name released the same year. Nevertheless, given it was unsourced since its inception, I have no choice but to nominate for deletion. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 12:00, 3 December 2024 (UTC)

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Delete. Only one source is present within the article, however it only relates to the release date and none of the content in the article. Was unable to find anything else about this game, aside from unreliable blogs or wikis. Fails WP:SIGCOV and WP:GNG. Beachweak (talk) 14:48, 3 December 2024 (UTC)

• Weak Delete - I was able to find some coverage on Archive.org - Electronic Games (Volume 1 No. 2 March 1982 p.71), Play Meter (Volume 7 No. 21 November 15, 1981 p.30), and some additional brief coverage from Play Meter (Volume 8 No. 2 January 15 1982 p.26). Doesn't meet WP:GNG, but if more coverage is found it may be enough to show notability. Waxworker (talk) 19:23, 3 December 2024 (UTC)

History of rugby union matches between Georgia and Portugal

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Not a notable rivalry, European countries normally play each other regularly without any special meaning for any random pairing. Fram (talk) 11:51, 3 December 2024 (UTC)

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• Delete per WP:NOTSTATS. Rivalries need to have significant coverage about the relevant details in their history. This is just a statistical collection of games between two nations. Conyo14 (talk) 18:19, 3 December 2024 (UTC)
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HK Television

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Non-notable TV channel. All sources are channel listings, and I found no reliable sources online. '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk • contribs) 11:24, 3 December 2024 (UTC)

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• Delete no RS about the topic, article has unsourced content. Only sourced content is just the existence of channel in channel listings. ~/Bunnypranav:<ping> 12:42, 3 December 2024 (UTC)
• Delete the author has a COI and shouldn't have published this in the first place, but now that they have, might as well let this AfD run. No evidence of notability of any flavour. --DoubleGrazing (talk) 14:28, 3 December 2024 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. Gheus (talk) 16:12, 3 December 2024 (UTC)
• Delete: We require significant coverage to meet the GNG; channel listings that merely establish existence don't cut it. Also note that the creator moved this to HK Television Pakistan (with the rationale Move to mainspace: Publish page to main space, notwithstanding that it was the articlespace recreation that was moved and not the previous attempt that is now a draft). WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 19:56, 3 December 2024 (UTC)
• Delete Article posted by the channel's founder and we're just not going to find coverage of this in any English language or Pakistani sources mainly because it's against the country's majority religion, but the COI outweighs all. Nate • (chatter) 00:40, 4 December 2024 (UTC)

Kaspa (cryptocurrency)

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Non-notable crypto. All soures are database listings, and I found no reliable sources online. Also promotional in tone. '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk • contribs) 10:28, 3 December 2024 (UTC)

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• Delete Can't find no notable source. Unilandofma (talk) 12:20, 3 December 2024 (UTC)
• Delete: Interviews and coverage in non-RS used for sourcing, not seeing much of anything in my search for sources. More crypto PROMO here it looks like. Oaktree b (talk) 14:10, 3 December 2024 (UTC)

The Forgotten Army

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Fails WP:NBOOK, lacks WP:SIGCOV, barely any edits. AFDing instead of WP:BLARing bcs name can be confused with other things, including those in the hatnote DoctorWhoFan91 (talk) 10:28, 3 December 2024 (UTC)

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• Merge very selectively to New Series Adventures#Eleventh Doctor and possibly rename: After redirection this should probably no longer be considered the WP:Primary topic. Possibly make this a disambiguation page? This Radio Times article mentions the book and verifies the Vykoids as antagonists, so that probably should appear in one sentence of plot summary at the target. Is there any indication of Doctor Who Reviews being a reliable source or not? Daranios (talk) 16:06, 3 December 2024 (UTC)

  The article is a trivial mention about the book and its antagonists. No, DWR is a fan-site, which is generally not considered reliable. Rename might be good, though I think deletion would be better, as someone searching for it is more likely to be searching for the INA or related documentaries, books or other media, rather than this novel. DoctorWhoFan91 (talk) 16:27, 3 December 2024 (UTC)

  Perhaps the redirect could be changed to "The Forgotten Army (Doctor Who)"? Has one ever considered Magneton? Pokelego999 (talk) 18:42, 3 December 2024 (UTC)

  Yeah, I was thinking the same title, "The Forgotten Army (Doctor Who)", or "The Forgotten Army (novel)". The table at suggested target for the redirect is constructed to include a very brief plot summary, and I think we should merge over one sentence of that or so based on the primary source, while Radio Time backs up the antagonists and the appearance of Amy Pond, as yet only referenced to the primary source as well at the target. Daranios (talk) 20:57, 3 December 2024 (UTC)

Light Merge per Daranios. Not much content to merge but the sentence is better than nothing. Change redirect as well to something more specific like the above in order to avoid disambiguation issues. Has one ever considered Magneton? Pokelego999 (talk) 22:03, 3 December 2024 (UTC)

Nuclear Time

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Fails WP:NBOOK, lacks WP:SIGCOV, barely any edits. AFDing instead of WP:BLARing bcs name can be confused with other things DoctorWhoFan91 (talk) 10:27, 3 December 2024 (UTC)

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North Rhine-Westphalian Academy of Sciences and the Arts

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The article clearly lacks any WP:independent sources. Xpander (talk) 15:36, 26 November 2024 (UTC)

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Dick Simon (entrepreneur)

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Accepted at AFC in 2015, but standards were somewhat less exacting then. Simon is presented with many references, but appears to be a WP:ROTM businessman dabbling in psychedelic drugs. Much of the rest appears to be wealthy persons hobbies. The references, especially the more authoritative ones, seem to be what Simon says, not what is said about him. Sample checking the others shows them to be of a similar nature. Fails WP:BIO 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 11:30, 26 November 2024 (UTC)

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Supranet

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Fails WP:NCORP. Themoonisacheese (talk) 11:05, 26 November 2024 (UTC)

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I guess i'll make my delete position clearer in order to initiate the discussion: As has been shown in the article's talk page, "supranet" is not a word being used outside (and from the lack of any hits on search engines, even inside) of Gartner, Inc. It's a transparent attempt by the company to try to coin a word to describe what was obviously going to happen to anyone in the space at the time, which on its own wouldn't warrant deletion if it succeeded. The attempt failed in favor of the much more ubiquitous term Internet of things. Anecdotally, I work for a semiconductor company in the IOT space and none of our internal documents have ever mentionned "supranet", despite what it describes being bang on our market segment. Themoonisacheese (talk) 10:02, 3 December 2024 (UTC)

Just Salad

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Fails WP:NCORP. The discussion page indicates several requests. Dmitry Bobriakov (talk) 10:09, 26 November 2024 (UTC)

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Delete. I was originally leaning towards "Keep" since I was able to find tons of supposed sources about this place. However, when you actually take a look at them, 99% of the sites covering this place are news sites that take paid stories or advertisement in the form of articles, calling their verifiability into question. While sites like Forbes covered this restaurant, the actual articles are written by "Contributors", aka random users.

Additionally, many of the articles only talk about specific new menu items or related topics which, in my opinion, makes it fail WP:SIGCOV. Fails WP:ORGCRIT too. Beachweak (talk) 16:05, 3 December 2024 (UTC)

Iddaru (2024)

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Duplicate article of another one that exists hidden in the page history of Iddaru (2024 film), which is clearly about the same film, though it isn't entirely clear why that article was BLARed. Both articles should be merged if kept. CycloneYoris ^talk! 08:19, 26 November 2024 (UTC)

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That is Oppanda Kannada Language Movie releaseed in 2022, But Iddaru is remake Movie in Telugu Languagw Movie. The Iddaru (2024 film) can be Murged or redirected to this article Sudheerbs (talk) 08:27, 26 November 2024 (UTC)

@CycloneYoris: can you explain what are the reasons for deletion for this article?

The history seems to be

• 23 October 2024 Iddaru (2024 film) created by @Monhiroe:
• 25 October 2024 Iddaru (2024 film) redirected to Oppanda as a dubbed version by @DareshMohan:
• 26 November 2024 Iddaru (2024) created by @Sudheerbs:
• 26 November 2024 Iddaru (2024 film) redirected to Iddaru (2024) by Sudheerbs
• 26 November 2024 Iddaru (2024) nominated for deletion by CycloneYoris
• The only discussion I have found is at Talk:Oppanda#@Telugu film dubbed in Kannada? started by @Herodyswaroop:
• The Telugu article seems to be at te:ఇద్దరు (2023 సినిమా). TSventon (talk) 11:12, 26 November 2024 (UTC)

@TSventon: I haven't expressed any desire to delete this article, and brought it to AfD mainly because of the duplicate article that exists, which is why I suggested to merge it with the existing one. CycloneYoris ^talk! 22:07, 26 November 2024 (UTC)

Had this discussion before, this is a kannada movie dubbed in telugu and @Dareshmohan has confirmed this. So, we can merge with Oppanda article and mention iddaru is its telugu version comment added by Herodyswaroop (talk • contribs) 12:13, 26 November 2024 (UTC)

• Delete and restore redirect of Iddaru (2024 film) to Oppanda per Herodyswaroop. Dubbed / partially reshot films do not get articles. Read Talk:Oppanda#@Telugu film dubbed in Kannada? for proof that the film is dubbed. See Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Yamadheera (2024 film) for the precedent set that dubbed films do not get articles. The definition of a partially reshot film is a film where a minor part of the film was reshot and a majority wasn't. See List of multilingual Indian films#Partially reshot films, 99% of partially reshot films, do not get articles. The one instance where it has a separate article, 50% of the film was in fact reshot. The reason that this film can not get a separate article is that the lip sync issues are clear from the trailer itself. This [19] lacks lip sync while the same dialogue from the original [20] is in perfect lip sync.

As per the comment at the Indian cinema taskforce here, even if they are reshot partially, it still doesn’t need a separate article. If we are to delve into original research, they reshot a single dialogue in Telugu here vs the original here. The makers of the film were smart enough to release the same trailer as the original version. Complete with English dialogues, only the English dialogues would be in lip sync. When the trailer itself lacks lip sync, do you expect the film to be a straight film?

Regarding the Telugu wiki, even dubbed Telugu films get an article there. Apart from Hindi, since the 1990s several films have been dubbed in Telugu and became mainstream. DareshMohan (talk) 20:38, 26 November 2024 (UTC)

• Redirect back: to Oppanda. Dubbed movies should be mentioned on the page of the original film, rather than having a standalone article.--— MimsMENTOR ^talk 12:32, 28 November 2024 (UTC)
• Redirect to Oppanda: Dubbed film. It can be redirect Monhiroe (talk) 19:10, 28 November 2024 (UTC)
• Merge into Oppanda and redirect: If it's notable, I'll go for keep, but for now, hmmm..... Intrisit (talk) 20:44, 29 November 2024 (UTC)

this is telugu stright film,this film made by telugu tamil and Kannada langues, each and every shot shooted in three langueges. Pandu147 (talk) 18:43, 1 December 2024 (UTC)

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Earmilk

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All 9 sources cited in the creation of this page lack credibility and fail to establish notability, as they barely address the topic in any meaningful way. Upon closer inspection, there is little to no reliable information available online. Additionally, the publication in question appears to be self-proclaimed and lacks established recognition. The article was created without prior discussion, and if such a discussion had occurred, it is unlikely the article would have been approved or passed moderation standards. This seems to reflect a pattern of using Wikipedia as a platform to lend credibility to fake or paid news. Moondust534 (talk) 07:55, 26 November 2024 (UTC)

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Without looking further into this, so no comment on the notability, something lacking popularity does not make it "fake news" and almost all articles on Wikipedia are created without discussion. PARAKANYAA (talk) 08:28, 26 November 2024 (UTC)

Agreed. While I agree an initial search is showing that it's probably not notable, I don't see the malice of things being "fake" or overtly promotional mentioned by the nominator. This looks like a run-of-the-mill article creation by an inexperienced editor who didn't understand our notability standards. Sergecross73 msg me 11:56, 26 November 2024 (UTC)

I saw multiple fake news, so I reported it, with article prices on upwork. A blog cannot be labeled a reliable magazine tho. The platform has mixed reviews, with some raising concerns about its reliability and payout practices. Moondust534 (talk) 16:42, 26 November 2024 (UTC)

I'm not really following, but your nomination should be focusing more on how it fails notability criteria like the WP:GNG or WP:WEBCRIT, not all this "fake news" stuff. Sergecross73 msg me 17:25, 26 November 2024 (UTC)

I agree. That was a side comment I made. My main point is that it fails notability, coverage about it does not exist. - WP:GNG WP:WEBCRIT. Moondust534 (talk) 18:07, 26 November 2024 (UTC)

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Miss Teen Intercontinental

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Created by a blocked sockpuppet. No evidence of notability. Tagged as such for a year without improvement. I checked a few sources and they all seemed to be unreliable, not significant coverage, variations of the same press release, etc. etc. This is related to but not quite the same as Miss Intercontinental which has been deleted and salted a bajillion times. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 06:38, 26 November 2024 (UTC)

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• Keep: Weak but, sources such as UFDC, Pageantopolis, and El Diario (though with local focus) counts towards notability. Some archived coverage's are also found here: El Paso Herald Post, Kokomo Tribune 1, Kokomo Tribune 2. Enough to pass WP:SIGCOV.--— MimsMENTOR ^talk 13:32, 28 November 2024 (UTC)

  Pageantopolis is not a reliable source per Wikipedia:WikiProject_Beauty_Pageants/Sources (and I'm highly dubious of the reliability/independence of a source attributed to "admin" - why was nobody willing to sign their name to it). I have know idea what UFDC is meant to refer to (that acronym doesn't appear in the article at all). El Paso Herald Post and Komoko Tribune 2 are both single passing mentions in a long list of people attending an event, which isn't significant coverage. El Diario is too short to be considered significant coverage of any kind. Komoko Tribune 1 is closest, but I think you would need more than "person wins this contest" spruced up with a few biographical details to truly establish notability for a topic with as sorry a history as this one. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 23:11, 28 November 2024 (UTC)

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Otago Gold Rush (basketball)

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Fails WP:GNG and WP:NORG DaHuzyBru (talk) 05:06, 26 November 2024 (UTC)

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Delete. Alexeyevitch^(talk) 08:16, 26 November 2024 (UTC)

• Keep The article is alot of work but the team has ample coverage about it as one of the top women's basketball teams in New Zealand.National Womens Basketball Championships Finals Tip Off Thursday, Long build-up finally over for Gold Rush, Basketball: Otago crowned WBC champions — Preceding unsigned comment added by Alvaldi (talk • contribs) 09:59, 26 November 2024 (UTC)

  The team played in the Women's Basketball Championship – a fairly unremarkable New Zealand domestic competition with no wiki page. Are you willing to demonstrate this team's notability by expanding the article? A general google search of "otago gold rush basketball" doesn't yield many results. That first article you linked for example is a copy and paste from Basketball New Zealand. The page is also a borderline Orphan. DaHuzyBru (talk) 10:36, 26 November 2024 (UTC)

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Zero Hour (video game)

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Found reviews in The Games Machine and Softonic, and a news mention in PCGamesN. While this isn't terrible it also isn't enough to pass WP:GNG because PCGamesN doesn't really offer up any critical opinions, and everything else is an unreliable source. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 08:43, 3 December 2024 (UTC)

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• Delete per nom. While I think a soft deletion would work in this instance in case the game becomes super popular (it was released only three months ago), the article does not really have significant coverage aside from The Games Machine article. The Softonic article I would also consider more unreliable as it appears user-generated and may not be independent with a download link. Conyo14 (talk) 18:17, 3 December 2024 (UTC)

Obviously, this is not a game for an international audience. It's targeted at local Bangladeshis, & it's quite popular here. That is why you will find numerous evaluations in Bangla newspapers. You can also read Sportskeeda's review and IGN's article, "Old-School Rainbow Six Spiritual Successor 'Zero Hour' Drops Launch Trailer" Prantoo Biswas (talk) 18:24, 3 December 2024 (UTC)

Sportskeeda is not reliable: WP:SPORTSKEEDA. Conyo14 (talk) 18:50, 3 December 2024 (UTC)

Hydra Ventures

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Fails WP:NCORP.Insufficient WP:ORGCRIT sources.

Edit: @WikiOriginal-9:, you withdrew the nomination last time. Do you have any comments on whether or not this article should be deleted?

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Return of the Living Dad

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The article has a source from The Unauthorized Guide to Doctor Who Novels which seems solid. It has a source to Bibliography of Australian Literature which isn't WP:SIGCOV just verifying the credits. Now the reason I bring this specifically up to AFD is to formulate a consensus on the following. It has three sources to Doctor Who Magazine not published by the BBC but by Panini Comics. Despite this it is officially lisenced and maintains a close relationship with the BBC. Are these reviews good enough to establish notability and count towards WP:NBOOK Questions? four Olifanofmrtennant (she/her) 05:34, 3 December 2024 (UTC)

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Comment I don't believe DWM should apply for the reasons you've described. Despite different publishers, DWM has a very close relationship with the BBC and is for all intents and purposes an extension of Doctor Who's marketing (Especially since it's used for official announcements, releases officially licensed comic stories, is used for promotional purposes, and more). It's probably fine for citing interviews and such from but for notability's sake I doubt it's independent enough of the subject to be a secondary source. Has one ever considered Magneton? Pokelego999 (talk) 22:10, 3 December 2024 (UTC)

Drawn to Life (video game series)

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I could not find anything in particular about the series that merits a standalone series page or passes WP:GNG. The main article has been the first game for a very long time and there was no particular reason to diverge from that. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 05:21, 3 December 2024 (UTC)

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• Redirect to Drawn to Life#Sequels, spin-off, and possible future as an WP:ATD. The article already goes off into a collection of sources from the games' reviews. I've not found anything that talks about a series overview. Conyo14 (talk) 18:09, 3 December 2024 (UTC)

Code page 3846

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Fails WP: NOTDICT. I can't find any sources that could expand the article beyond the definition of the codepage layout. HyperAccelerated (talk) 05:02, 3 December 2024 (UTC)

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WP:NOTDICT is not relevant, these articles are about concepts, not words or phrases. The first sentence is a definition, the rest, including the character set, is a description. It's possible that some are not notable, but an alternative would be to redirect to Code page. Peter James (talk) 14:07, 3 December 2024 (UTC)

I think you're misunderstanding. We need sources that let us expand beyond the what's currently in the article, which is effectively "this is a code page and this is a copy-paste of its contents." I can't find any reliable secondary sources that would allow us to do that.

I'm not claiming that "Code page 3846" shows up in the Oxford English Dictionary. This distinction between "concepts" and "words or phrases" or between "definitions" and "descriptions" misses the forest for the trees. Maybe I should have cited WP: HOWTO instead, but no matter which policy we use, the argument is the same as nearly any other AfD: the sourcing needs to be improved, or this article should be deleted. HyperAccelerated (talk) 16:15, 3 December 2024 (UTC)

• Merge with Code page 857 or transwiki. Alexlatham96 (talk) 18:39, 3 December 2024 (UTC)
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Code page 860

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Fails WP: NOTDICT. I can't find any sources that could expand the article beyond the definition of the codepage layout, beyond a couple mentions in some books. HyperAccelerated (talk) 05:02, 3 December 2024 (UTC)

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Keep Has enough sources, and is a well-established code page. Alexlatham96 (talk) 18:43, 3 December 2024 (UTC)

You have done nothing to explain how this article has adequate sourcing. HyperAccelerated (talk) 19:24, 3 December 2024 (UTC)

One new source showing date of creation: here.Alexlatham96 (talk) 22:12, 3 December 2024 (UTC)

That's not sufficient, since it's a trivial mention according to WP: SIGCOV. HyperAccelerated (talk) 22:16, 3 December 2024 (UTC)

Code page 859

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Fails WP: NOTDICT. I can't find any sources that could expand the article beyond the definition of the codepage layout. HyperAccelerated (talk) 04:59, 3 December 2024 (UTC)

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• Delete: Can't find any sources to expand the article or establish notability. BJackJS talk 15:12, 3 December 2024 (UTC)

Code page 857

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Fails WP: NOTDICT. I can't find any sources that could expand the article beyond the definition of the codepage layout. HyperAccelerated (talk) 04:58, 3 December 2024 (UTC)

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Keep Has enough sources, and is a well-established code page. Alexlatham96 (talk) 18:43, 3 December 2024 (UTC)

You have done nothing to explain how this article has adequate sourcing. HyperAccelerated (talk) 19:25, 3 December 2024 (UTC)

One new source showing date of creation: here.Alexlatham96 (talk) 22:12, 3 December 2024 (UTC)

That's not sufficient, since it's a trivial mention according to WP: SIGCOV. HyperAccelerated (talk) 22:15, 3 December 2024 (UTC)

Code page 856

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Fails WP: NOTDICT. I can't find any sources that could expand the article beyond the definition of the codepage layout. HyperAccelerated (talk) 04:57, 3 December 2024 (UTC)

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Keep Has enough sources, and is a well-established code page. I now have no decision about this one. Alexlatham96 (talk) 18:43, 3 December 2024 (UTC)

You have done nothing to explain how this article has adequate sourcing. HyperAccelerated (talk) 19:25, 3 December 2024 (UTC)

Code page 1169

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Fails WP: NOTDICT. I can't find any sources that could expand the article beyond the definition of the codepage layout. HyperAccelerated (talk) 04:55, 3 December 2024 (UTC)

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Transwiki No sources. Alexlatham96 (talk) 18:43, 3 December 2024 (UTC)

Code page 855

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Fails WP: NOTDICT. I can't find any sources that could expand the article beyond the definition of the codepage layout, besides maybe one trivial mention in a book. HyperAccelerated (talk) 04:54, 3 December 2024 (UTC)

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Keep Has enough sources, and is a well-established code page. Alexlatham96 (talk) 18:43, 3 December 2024 (UTC)

You have done nothing to explain how this article has adequate sourcing. HyperAccelerated (talk) 19:25, 3 December 2024 (UTC)

One new source showing date of creation: here.Alexlatham96 (talk) 22:11, 3 December 2024 (UTC)

That looks like a trivial mention, which doesn't meet WP: SIGCOV. HyperAccelerated (talk) 22:17, 3 December 2024 (UTC)

Code page 853

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Fails WP: NOTDICT. I can't find any sources that could expand the article beyond the definition of the codepage layout. HyperAccelerated (talk) 04:51, 3 December 2024 (UTC)

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Code page 852

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Fails WP: NOTDICT. I can't find any sources that could expand the article beyond the definition of the codepage layout. HyperAccelerated (talk) 04:50, 3 December 2024 (UTC)

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Keep Has enough sources, and is a well-established code page. Alexlatham96 (talk) 18:43, 3 December 2024 (UTC)

You have done nothing to explain how this article has adequate sourcing. HyperAccelerated (talk) 19:24, 3 December 2024 (UTC)

Found 2 sources showing date of creation: here and here. Do these solve the problem?Alexlatham96 (talk) 22:11, 3 December 2024 (UTC)

No, they don't. We generally don't consider blogs to be authoritative sources, and the other page looks like a bunch of documentation that defines the contents of code pages but provides little information beyond that. Neither source establishes notability. HyperAccelerated (talk) 22:16, 3 December 2024 (UTC)

Amir Reza Mirzaei

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Fails notability, never won a major medal. his achievements are in youth level or either in minor competitions. Sports2021 (talk) 04:13, 3 December 2024 (UTC)

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The result was G4 speedy deleted‎. (non-admin closure) Procyon117 (talk) 18:37, 3 December 2024 (UTC)

Seyed Ali Mousavi Noor

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Fails notability, it was deleted once recently after this discussion Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Seyed Ali Mousavi Nour but recreated again under a slightly different name to trick wikipedia. Sports2021 (talk) 04:04, 3 December 2024 (UTC)

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• to stay: Please refrain from deleting this article. This article is about one of the prominent karate champions from Iran and Asia, a member of Iran’s national karate team, who has achieved significant titles such as Asian Games champion and Asian champion. In interviews published by credible sources, this athlete has expressed their ambition to win an Olympic gold medal. A key strength of this article lies in its reliance on reputable and recognized sources, including Fars News Agency and Islamic Republic News Agency. These news agencies have independent articles on English Wikipedia, reflecting their credibility and notability on an international scale. Why this article meets the criteria for inclusion in Wikipedia: Athletic Notability: This champion has earned major national and international titles, making them well-known in the world of sports. Credible References: The article is based on official and internationally recognized sources, which align with Wikipedia’s standards for reliable references. Compliance with Wikipedia Policies: The article adheres to all Wikipedia guidelines, including neutrality, use of reliable sources, and meeting the notability criteria. Historical and Sports Significance: This article documents a part of Iran’s sports history, and its deletion may lead to the loss of important information.

Given that the article fully complies with Wikipedia’s criteria and guidelines, it is recommended that the reviewing team carefully reassess its content and sources and avoid deleting an article about such a significant sports figure.Tirakhar (talk) 12:15, 3 December 2024 (UTC)

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SJK(C) Puay Chai 2

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Contested draft. School doesn't appear to be notable enough for a standalone article, and currently fails WP:NSCHOOL. CycloneYoris ^talk! 03:53, 3 December 2024 (UTC)

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• Delete - The school does not meet NORG nor GNG. As the page creator moved it out of draft space after draftification, I suspect that the same would happen again if an ATD of draftify found consensus. Draftify would also imply that we thought sources might be found, but I am not seeing any evidence that will happen. Better, then, to just delete it. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 13:08, 3 December 2024 (UTC)
• Redirect primary schools to the local city/area per WP:SCHOOLOUTCOMES. I've looked neither at the article nor for sources and am only repeating the usual rule. If there is anything significant to be said about the school, it can be said in Petaling Jaya#Education. WhatamIdoing (talk) 20:04, 3 December 2024 (UTC)

Dice pool

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Effectively unreferenced, outside few mentions of this in particular games. While my BEFORE confirms that the terms appear here and there, I cannot find any WP:SIGCOV of this. This seems to fail WP:V and WP:GNG. Not sure if redirecting this do dice is even warranted. Note that the article is also incorrect - it limits this concept to RPGs, but it also appears in board games (but it is really a very niche and minor part of all such games). _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 03:51, 3 December 2024 (UTC)

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• Keep I sorted through about 8-10 hits in Google Scholar to come up with three that I believe appropriately demonstrate this mechanic is covered adequately in RS to meet GNG.

  Liu, A. J. (2022). Icepool: Efficient Computation of Dice Pool Probabilities. Proceedings of the AAAI Conference on Artificial Intelligence and Interactive Digital Entertainment, 18(1), 258-265. https://doi.org/10.1609/aiide.v18i1.21971 Wonderful paper, totally about dice pools, from the proceedings of a conference I've actually heard about.

  Ovard, Caleb, "Your Mission, Should You Choose to Attempt it, is to Save the Mona Lisa! Gamification as a Method for Teaching Art" (2023). Theses and Dissertations. 10236. https://scholarsarchive.byu.edu/etd/10236 Very detailed discussion with examples of dice pool mechanics. It's a master's thesis, not published elsewhere.

  T. Mott, M. Higger, A. Bejarano and T. Williams, "Degrees of Freedom: A Storytelling Game that Supports Technology Literacy about Social Robots," 2024 33rd IEEE International Conference on Robot and Human Interactive Communication (ROMAN), Pasadena, CA, USA, 2024, pp. 2095-2102, doi: 10.1109/RO-MAN60168.2024.10731340. Could say more about the dice pool, really just describes its use and origin, but it's a journal from a very well respected professional society. Jclemens (talk) 07:58, 3 December 2024 (UTC)

• Keep I have added one of the above sources as a definition of the term, and have referenced a game designer's article to explain why the dice pool is used in games. I think a lot of the other material in the article could be shortened or even removed, but as it stands, I believe the article now explains the term and is accurately sourced.Guinness323 (talk) 19:40, 3 December 2024 (UTC)
• Keep per everything found and added by Jclemens and Guinness323. BOZ (talk) 02:01, 4 December 2024 (UTC)

Code page 851

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Fails WP: NOTDICT. I can't find any sources that could expand the article beyond the definition of the codepage layout, including the six currently in the article. HyperAccelerated (talk) 03:42, 3 December 2024 (UTC)

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Jhala Manna

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This article was previously deleted at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jhala Man Singh and recreated under a different title with sufficient differences that G4 speedy deletion was declined.

However, the recreated version still does not show that the subject passes WP:GNG or WP:NBIO.

• Most sources have one or a handful of passing or WP:TRIVIALMENTIONS of the subject (A History of Rajasthan, A History of Mewar, Battle of Haldighati, Jhālā rājavaṃsa, Mewar Saga, Mewar & the Mughal Emperors, and Maharana Pratap: The Invincible Warrior.
• In addition to having trivial mentions, some sources are also considered of questionable reliability per WP:RAJ, such as Tod's Annals of Rajasthan
• One source is WP:SELFPUBLISH: Sacred Mysteries from vanity publisher by Notion Press.
• Chiefs and Leading Families in Rajputana has no mention of Jhala Man Singh/Man Singh Jhala/Jhala Bida/Jhala Manna/Jhala Sardar or any other configuration of his names.
• Another "source" is a poem.
• The final source is an e-commerce site.

No evidence of WP:SIGCOV in independent, reliable sources is found in a WP:BEFORE search. Dclemens1971 (talk) 03:06, 3 December 2024 (UTC)

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• Delete: Still not seeing notability, sources are as explained above, not much for showing notability. I still don't find any sources we can sue. Oaktree b (talk) 14:16, 3 December 2024 (UTC)

Code page 720

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Fails WP: NOTDICT. I can't find any sources that could expand the article beyond the definition of the codepage layout, including the six currently in the article. HyperAccelerated (talk) 02:54, 3 December 2024 (UTC)

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• Delete, although a redirect to Code page#DOS code pages could work in theory, I seriously doubt the article has enough views to warrant an optimal redirect. Conyo14 (talk) 18:06, 3 December 2024 (UTC)

Code page 708

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Fails WP: NOTDICT. I can't find any sources that could expand the article beyond the definition of the codepage layout. HyperAccelerated (talk) 02:51, 3 December 2024 (UTC)

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Code page 668

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Fails WP: NOTDICT. I can't find any sources that could expand the article beyond the definition of the codepage layout. HyperAccelerated (talk) 02:50, 3 December 2024 (UTC)

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Emote

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The article as it currently stands is a pure WP:DICDEF. I was only able to find trivial mentions about emotes in sources, or sources over-specifically referring to a specific emote from a specific game (usually Fortnite). I feel this could become a disambiguation page pointing to acting and emoji among other things. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 19:25, 18 November 2024 (UTC)

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• Keep. Although the current state of the article isn't great, I think we have enough sourcing to meet WP:GNG. I found academic sources that discuss the use of emotes on Twitch and there are other online sources that specifically discuss emotes (as distinct from emojis), so I don't think redirecting would be appropriate. There appears to be enough sourcing to maintain a separate article, but I'm open to input from other editors. Lord Bolingbroke (talk) 20:12, 18 November 2024 (UTC)
• On further consideration, there is some overlap between how emotes and emojis are used (one paper describes emotes as "platform-specific emojis"), but I still think there is enough discussion of emotes as a distinct term to warrant a stand-alone article. Lord Bolingbroke (talk) 20:30, 18 November 2024 (UTC)

  And can any of those be used to write a cohesive article on emotes in general, as opposed to an example farm?

  Even if expanded, I foresee it becoming like:

  "In one example, Twitch utilizes emotes. In another, Youtube uses emotes. In yet another, emotes are used in MMOs". And so on. Furthermore, in at least some of these cases, "emotes" is used in a sense that is synonymous with emoji rather than its own entity. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 21:14, 18 November 2024 (UTC)

  You're right that emotes and emojis are sometimes used synonymously, but in some contexts they are clearly distinct. Video game emotes (i.e., character animations that players can trigger) is a clearly distinct usage for instance. One source I found discusses a copyright lawsuit against Epic Games regarding the source of their emote animations; another source discusses the differences in how players perceive emotes vs. actual facial expressions; and there were more sources I saw on Google Scholar that I'm too lazy to cite at the moment. To your point, it will definitely be difficult to create a cohesive article because of these diverging uses of the term. However, I'm seeing quite a few academic sources that discuss the use of emotes in video games and live chats, so I'm still inclined to keep an article in some form. I'm open to discussion on what the scope of the article should be, how to structure it, etc. Lord Bolingbroke (talk) 00:56, 19 November 2024 (UTC)

  It's possible the article could be rewritten as Emote (video games). However, I don't think it would be the primary topic regardless, so I believe that my deletion proposal of this particular article in its current form still stands. In the current article there is nothing that merits keeping; it requires a full rewrite 100%. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 09:24, 19 November 2024 (UTC)

  Just because it requires a rewrite doesn't mean it should be deleted. AfD is not cleanup. Lord Bolingbroke (talk) 21:48, 19 November 2024 (UTC)

• Comment on the Twitch emotes; depending on the severity of the coverage, would Twitch emotes not be a separate topic from emotes? Sort of similar to how Emoji has various other notable topics, like Eggplant emoji and Face with Tears of Joy emoji. I'm not sure it'd provide notability to the parent if it is an inherently separate, albeit notable topic.
  I do second Zx in that emotes seem to be a very wide-reaching topic, and the sourcing for them as a whole doesn't seem to be there like what Emojis seem to have. There may be several notable subtopics, but attempting to cover all these subtopics as one topic would be messy and potentially problematic. I won't vote yet until more is discussed, but I felt it would be worthwhile to ask about the above and get some clarity on this. Has one ever considered Magneton? Pokelego999 (talk) 20:36, 19 November 2024 (UTC)

  Yeah, the issue seems to be that there are multiple topics this article could focus on. When it comes to emotes on livestreaming platforms, the sources seem to exclusively focus on Twitch emotes. I notice that Twitch emote already redirects to Twitch (service)#Emotes. Maybe it would make sense to rework this article to focus on emotes in video games and include a hatnote to Twitch (service)#Emotes where the platform-specific emotes are already covered? Like you, I'd like to get input from other editors on this, so I've struck my initial !vote pending further discussion. Lord Bolingbroke (talk) 21:44, 19 November 2024 (UTC)

  On second thought, it might make more sense to convert Emote to a disambiguation page. I'll need to dig into the sources a bit more before making a firm claim on what the primary topic is. Lord Bolingbroke (talk) 21:53, 19 November 2024 (UTC)

  @Lord Bolingbroke Good luck! Let me know how that goes. I'm partial to both of your responses, and I feel both could be feasible, but I'll need to see what sourcing is like before I make any significant judgement calls. Has one ever considered Magneton? Pokelego999 (talk) 13:23, 20 November 2024 (UTC)

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• Keep probably. While this subject was biggest in the pre- and early-web days (BBS chat, IRC, etc.), emotes are still part of many current chat systems. Any of the many books about internet chat would have a bit about this. It's not an overlap with emoji, which are graphical emoticons, not emotes. It's possible there's not a whole lot to say about this, in which case a merge probably makes sense, but I'm not sure where to merge to. — Rhododendrites ^talk \\ 04:17, 27 November 2024 (UTC)

  Do you have any of the books on this on hand? Mostly asking because those sources would greatly help with covering this subject if they do exist. Has one ever considered Magneton? Pokelego999 (talk) 00:37, 28 November 2024 (UTC)

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Tomer Reznik

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Inadequate sources for this young Israeli as of 2024 to meet GNG. Maybe in the future this could come back or could go to draft space in the meantime. I believe it should be deleted for now. Iljhgtn (talk) 02:46, 3 December 2024 (UTC)

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Code page 778

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Fails WP: NOTDICT. I can't find any sources that could expand the article beyond the definition of the codepage layout. HyperAccelerated (talk) 02:46, 3 December 2024 (UTC)

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Solomon Islands at the 2024 World Aquatics Championships

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Reviewed during NPP. No evidence of notability under GNG or SNG. Basically the whole article is to say that they entered one person in that event and they lost. No GNG sources, just one database type source for that factoid. North8000 (talk) 18:42, 18 November 2024 (UTC)

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• Delete. This type of article/list has very little potential for growrth, and is at best appropriate for an overview along the lines of Solomon Islands at the World Aquatics Championships. It doesn't exist, so a merge isn't possible at the time. Geschichte (talk) 20:32, 18 November 2024 (UTC)
• Move to Solomon Islands at the World Aquatics Championships and repurpose/expand the article under that broader topic per WP:ATD.4meter4 (talk) 12:34, 25 November 2024 (UTC)

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Code page 775

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Fails WP: NOTDICT. I can't find any sources that could expand the article beyond the definition of the codepage layout. Most of the sources describe what the code page layout is but don't provide any information beyond that. The remaining source(s) don't look reliable or don't give us significant information about the code page with which we could use to build an article. HyperAccelerated (talk) 02:45, 3 December 2024 (UTC)

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Keep Has enough sources, and is a well-established code page. Alexlatham96 (talk) 18:43, 3 December 2024 (UTC)

You have done nothing to explain how this article has adequate sourcing. HyperAccelerated (talk) 19:24, 3 December 2024 (UTC)

Code page 777

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Fails WP: NOTDICT. I can't find any sources that could expand the article beyond the definition of the codepage layout. HyperAccelerated (talk) 02:43, 3 December 2024 (UTC)

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Code page 776

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Fails WP: NOTDICT. I can't find any sources that could expand the article beyond the definition of the codepage layout. HyperAccelerated (talk) 02:42, 3 December 2024 (UTC)

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Code page 773

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Fails WP: NOTDICT. I can't find any sources that could expand the article beyond the definition of the codepage layout. HyperAccelerated (talk) 02:41, 3 December 2024 (UTC)

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Code page 770

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Fails WP: NOTDICT. I can't find any sources that could expand the article beyond the definition of the codepage layout. The creator of the article added one source that provides a trivial mention of the subject, then dePRODed the article. Without sufficient sourcing improvements, this article should be deleted. HyperAccelerated (talk) 02:40, 3 December 2024 (UTC)

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  Seems like a good idea to dump this. Possibly the article listing code page numbers could add a word saying what language the page is designed for.

  Please also try to get rid of the cruft added to actual influential code pages, such as code page 850 which have been padded with a number of obscure code pages that are "similar". Spitzak (talk) 14:24, 3 December 2024 (UTC)

  I have done some of this.Alexlatham96 (talk) 18:55, 3 December 2024 (UTC)

• I recommend to merge the deletion discussions and transwiki all, but keep redirect to the DOS code pages article the more well-known code pages (775, 852, 855, 857, and 860) especially only if sources are found. and link to the tables for now (but at some point start a discussion on which tables can be added in the DOS code pages article). I want to keep 851 as well, but sourcing may be inadequate. Others facing deletion are: Code page 708, Code page 720, Code page 773, Code page 775, Code page 776, Code page 777, Code page 778, Code page 851, Code page 852, Code page 853, Code page 855, Code page 856, Code page 857, Code page 3846, Code page 859, Code page 860, Code page 1169. Alexlatham96 (talk) 18:48, 3 December 2024 (UTC)

  Per WP:NOTMANUAL, is there any reason to keep any of these CP articles as free-standing articles (rather than merely sections of a broad concept article, code page)? 𝕁𝕄𝔽 (talk) 19:05, 3 December 2024 (UTC)

  Moving this material to another wiki is functionally the same as a delete vote to me, because it indicates that the material does not belong on Wikipedia. I don't care what you do with any of this material after it's deleted as long as it's off Wikipedia. HyperAccelerated (talk) 19:23, 3 December 2024 (UTC)

  Having them in a central article about code pages is my preferred solution. DRMcCreedy (talk) 19:25, 3 December 2024 (UTC)

  I don't see how one article with many tables is any better than many articles with one table... HyperAccelerated (talk) 19:30, 3 December 2024 (UTC)

  Having them default to collapsed would be at least a start. 𝕁𝕄𝔽 (talk) 19:44, 3 December 2024 (UTC)

  I think only the more well-known code pages should be listed in the article. The rest can transwiki. Of these, only code page 852 has more than 4 articles in other languages. What makes it unique? Alexlatham96 (talk) 19:47, 3 December 2024 (UTC)

  I don't necessarily disagree, but I'm primarily concerned with whether this content is appropriate to host on Wikipedia in the first place. At the end of the day, these pages just contain a massive amount of documentation, and we are not a website for hosting documentation. HyperAccelerated (talk) 20:00, 3 December 2024 (UTC)

  Also, we do not keep articles because we hope that there are good sources out there or because you claim they are "well-known". Hope does not establish notability: tangible, high-quality sources do. If a subject is as well known as you claim, you should have no issue finding such sources. HyperAccelerated (talk) 20:47, 3 December 2024 (UTC)

  • I found a source for Code page 852 here and a source here for DOS code pages, but I don't know if they pass guidelines. Maybe it is best to transwiki all of them, or at least the ones with no sources.Alexlatham96 (talk) 22:04, 3 December 2024 (UTC)

    Neither passes the guidelines -- we generally don't consider blogs to be authoritative sources, and the other page looks like a bunch of documentation that defines the contents of code pages but provides little information beyond that. I don't know how much time you spend in AfD, but the policy you're looking for is WP: SIGCOV. In the future, you should make sure that whatever sources you find meet all of the criteria there. HyperAccelerated (talk) 22:13, 3 December 2024 (UTC)

Buffer shot

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Wikipedia is not a dictionary; sources for this are not apparent and if they were, this appears to be just a minor film technique. "Noddy" already covers use in news and interviews. There are currently no references. Nominating for AFD rather than boldly merging to see if there's any writing on buffer shots that I am missing. Mrfoogles (talk) 01:00, 26 November 2024 (UTC)

• Merge to Glossary of motion picture terms per WP:ATD.4meter4 (talk) 01:16, 26 November 2024 (UTC)
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• Merge to Cutaway (filmmaking) -- Dr Greg  talk  02:22, 26 November 2024 (UTC)

  They’re both editing techniques using insertion of material but their respective goals are opposite (variety/continuity), so merging is not necessary and might be confusing, don’t you think? -Mushy Yank. 05:02, 26 November 2024 (UTC)

• Keep: It’s covered in reliable sources so I cannot see why it should be merged into another page. -Mushy Yank. 04:56, 26 November 2024 (UTC)
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• Merge to Glossary of motion picture terms. While there have been several sources added, the entire article is a few sentences and could easily be merged into the article. AnotherWeatherEditor (talk) 15:30, 26 November 2024 (UTC)

  Could, but why should it be merged? -Mushy Yank. 16:45, 26 November 2024 (UTC)

@Mushy Yank The article is currently a WP:DICDEF. DICDEF articles are not allowed, so we usually handle content like this inside glossaries. The encyclopedia won't lose any of this content it will just be housed in a different spot to comply with DICDEF. The cats can even remain on the redirect page so we won't lose navigation there either. Best. 4meter4 (talk) 19:07, 26 November 2024 (UTC)

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• Merge to Cutaway (filmmaking) per Dr. Greg. This is a very closely related idea and could easily be accommodated there. I'd go so far as to argue that a buffer shot is a particular case of a cutaway. WP:NOPAGE definitely applies here, and I think this merge target makes the most sense. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 17:41, 26 November 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose merge to Cutaway (filmmaking) per the comment by Mushy Yank. Buffer shots have a different goal and merging would lead to confusion. Glossary of motion picture terms is the better target as I already indicated above.4meter4 (talk) 19:04, 26 November 2024 (UTC)

Comment: It seems like the three related articles here are Buffer shot, Cutaway (filmmaking), and Nod shot. A nod shot is a kind of buffer shot which is a kind of cutaway. For example, see the first paragraph of Cutaway:

"The most common use of cutaway shots in dramatic films is to adjust the pace of the main action, to conceal the deletion of some unwanted part of the main shot, or to allow the joining of parts of two versions of that shot. For example, a scene may be improved by cutting a few frames out of an actor's pause; a brief view of a listener can help conceal the break. Or the actor may fumble some of his lines in a group shot; rather than discarding a good version of the shot, the director may just have the actor repeat the lines for a new shot, and cut to that alternate view when necessary."

Which basically describes a buffer shot. Commenters above have argued cutaways are mostly not meant for this, but according to the article itself, they often are. Mrfoogles (talk) 20:28, 26 November 2024 (UTC)

The dictionary definition is "a shot that interrupts the main action of a film or television program to take up a related subject or to depict action supposed to be going on at the same time as the main action" by Merriam Webster. Mrfoogles (talk) 20:32, 26 November 2024 (UTC)

(as nom) Merge to Cutaway (filmmaking) given that the article content is already there, there just aren't any citations. Mrfoogles (talk) 20:34, 26 November 2024 (UTC)

• Comment.@Mrfoogles, 35.139.154.158, Mushy Yank, Dr Greg A buffer shot is not a cutaway and a cutaway is not a buffer shot. They both use film splicing, but they are two different film editing ideas. I would support them being together in a larger article on film splicing, but not together under the name cutaway. Likewise nod shot could be included in the film splicing article.4meter4 (talk) 20:49, 26 November 2024 (UTC)

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• Merge to Glossary of motion picture terms. Although the article is well-cited, it is clearly WP:DICDEF. Merging to the glossary will create the least confusion, since a buffer shot is neither a cutaway nor a nod shot.--DesiMoore (talk) 15:39, 3 December 2024 (UTC)

Matt Nance

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I am unable to find anything approaching WP:SIGCOV for this American soccer player. Fails WP:GNG. JTtheOG (talk) 02:32, 3 December 2024 (UTC)

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• Delete for failure of WP:SPORTCRIT. Geschichte (talk) 13:33, 3 December 2024 (UTC)
• Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 18:23, 3 December 2024 (UTC)
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• Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. GiantSnowman 19:17, 3 December 2024 (UTC)

Auvers size 30 canvases

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Don't think this satisfies WP:NLIST. Have looked for sources discussing Auvers Van Gogh size 30 canvas paintings as a group and have been unable to find any in Google, Google Books, Google Scholar, etc.. One source is incompletely cited in the Refs section but even if it does discuss the paintings as a group, that's one source, and I am doubtful there is another given it seems difficult to group these paintings based just on the size of the canvas on which they are painted. There is already a list of paintings made at Auvers in List of works by Vincent van Gogh. Mrfoogles (talk) 02:30, 3 December 2024 (UTC)

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• Speedy merge/redirect Looks like the kind of thing you could have done a WP:BOLD merge of without an AFD. Reywas92^Talk 14:25, 3 December 2024 (UTC)
• Redirect to List of works by Vincent van Gogh, which already has a section "Paintings (Auvers-sur-Oise)" and a table that is sortable by size. Asparagusstar (talk) 16:13, 3 December 2024 (UTC)

Aslam Chowdhury

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Not meeting WP ANYBIOP and WP:POLITICIAN. Deleted 9 years ago per A7 美しい歌 (talk) 13:10, 11 November 2024 (UTC)

Hi,

What is required to be included in this article for it to come out of the deletion process?

The individual is a high profile politician of Bangladesh Nationalist Party who has been arbitrarily imprisoned by a toppled regime for 8 years. Intlctzn (talk) 13:26, 11 November 2024 (UTC)

Here is a list of long media coverage regarding the individual which spans over a decade.

"Bangladeshi Dissident Aslam Chowdhury released from prison". Foreign Policy Blogs. 2024-08-27. Retrieved 2024-11-11."Morshed Khan, Afroza Abbas, Aslam Chowdhury round off BNP success on appeals". www.unb.com.bd. Retrieved 2024-11-11."BNP appoints three more members to Chairperson's Advisory Council"."Bangladesh politician arrested for 'Israel handshake'". Al Jazeera. Retrieved 2024-11-11."BNP leader Aslam Chowdhury walks out of jail after 8 yrs -". The Daily Observer. Retrieved 2024-11-11."Bangladeshi Opposition Official Arrested for Alleged Contacts With Mossad"."Bangladesh opposition official arrested over Israel meeting"."BNP's Aslam on seven-day remand | The Asian Age Online, Bangladesh". The Asian Age. Retrieved 2024-11-11.bdnews24.com. "Police claim BNP leader Aslam has given substantial information about plot with Israel". Police claim BNP leader Aslam has given substantial information about plot with Israel. Retrieved 2024-11-11."BNP leader Aslam Chy arrested over 'meeting' Mossad agent [ Tritiyo Matra News ]". www.tritiyomatra.com. Retrieved 2024-11-11.bdnews24.com. "BNP's Aslam arrested in Dhaka over 'Israel plot' to overthrow Hasina regime". BNP’s Aslam arrested in Dhaka over ‘Israel plot’ to overthrow Hasina regime. Retrieved 2024-11-11.bdnews24.com. "BNP's Hannan says RAW released Aslam's photo with Israel politician in Bangladesh media". BNP’s Hannan says RAW released Aslam’s photo with Israel politician in Bangladesh media. Retrieved 2024-11-11."Govt stages drama over Aslam's meeting with Israeli leader: BNP"."BNP leader Aslam Chowdhury gets HC bail". The Business Standard. 2021-05-30. Retrieved 2024-11-11."BNP leader Aslam Chy released on bail". daily-sun. Retrieved 2024-11-11. Intlctzn (talk) 14:04, 11 November 2024 (UTC)

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• Delete Subsections all can be under controversy, A bio is not notable just for 1 event hence fail WP:Bio, You might choose to add any notable things he has done in the future. Tesleemah (talk) 14:47, 11 November 2024 (UTC)

  Added more information. Intlctzn (talk) 10:01, 13 November 2024 (UTC)

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• Keep Nominator for this deletion quotes WP:POLITICIAN to delete this article but per aforesaid guidelines, politicians who have held office or received significant press coverage (as politician / business head) are considered notable. Main article's political career section seems to fulfill this criteria.

(if) other concerns on quality of article can however be raised on main article page and improvements invited, this should not warrant a deletion though Nisingh.8 (talk) 18:07, 19 November 2024 (UTC)

Keep.

Articles for people of identical position exists e.g. Ruhul Kabir Rizvi. 38.39.204.206 (talk) 05:00, 25 November 2024 (UTC)

References

• Delete per WP:POLOUTCOMES. We have deleted, in the past 10 years, thousands of articles about diplomats, political party officials, losing candidates, and activists, up to and including candidates for the United States Senate, for lack of significant coverage. Only members of parliament or the equivalent are automatically included here: not political party officials. It’s about as strong a consensus as you can imagine on Wikipedia. If you haven’t ever read Wikipedia, you might not know that, but that’s not our problem, because in 2024 everybody knows that. We are not Ballotpedia or Truth Social. Bearian (talk) 06:22, 20 November 2024 (UTC)

The individual is an important candidate for upcoming Bangladesh general election. 38.39.204.206 (talk) 04:51, 25 November 2024 (UTC)

• Keep. While normally this politician would be deleted under WP:NPOL, there is international coverage of this particular politician's arrest and imprisonment. This clearly puts this particular person beyond the normal scope of someone in this type of post. Passes WP:SIGCOV.4meter4 (talk) 15:12, 25 November 2024 (UTC)

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• Delete: Advisor, chair, secretary... These are all functionary positions, not meeting political notability. I don't see notability, the sourcing isn't helping matters. Oaktree b (talk) 01:49, 26 November 2024 (UTC)

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Relisting comment: Final relist. I'm not terribly convinced by either "side". Looks like he doesn't meet WP:NPOL and the election that might qualify him for NPOL is unlikely to happen in the next six months: point for the deleters. But the deleters haven't really countered the keepers' assertions that there are enough sources for WP:GNG. So, which is it?
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Panthro

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Snarf (ThunderCats) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

I can't seem to find anything reliable about them. They all fail WP:GNG. Toby2023 (talk) 01:13, 3 December 2024 (UTC)

I would suggest merge to List of ThunderCats characters as a compromise. Dwanyewest (talk) 01:59, 3 December 2024 (UTC)

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• Merge to List of ThunderCats characters per WP:ATD, but cannot find enough significant coverage for articles. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 02:58, 3 December 2024 (UTC)
• Merge to List of ThunderCats characters as proposed above. No indicia of independent encyclopedic notability. BD2412 T 04:09, 3 December 2024 (UTC)
• Merge per WP:ATD. Not enough properly sourced material to meet WP:GNG, which means this is inappropriate for an article. Shooterwalker (talk) 21:12, 3 December 2024 (UTC)

Yu Lun Eve Lin

Yu Lun Eve Lin (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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Contested draftification. Autobiography of a lesser known fashion designer. Clear COI issues, and a lack of notability is also evident. CycloneYoris ^talk! 23:00, 25 November 2024 (UTC)

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• Maybe keep. Just looking in the external links she has been the feature in stories by the BBC and Elle. For a fashion designer those don't at all seem trivial. I don't doubt there may be COI issues, but the sourcing already in the article as a cited reference or in the external links seems to meet WP:SIGCOV.4meter4 (talk) 01:25, 26 November 2024 (UTC)
• I'm leaning towards re-draftification for now. Coverage might not be strong enough for WP:N.-KH-1 (talk) 05:18, 27 November 2024 (UTC)
• Userfy, or WP:TBT, or face my brutally honest editing / stubification. This is not only a COI, but a clearly unfinished piece. That’s acceptable on LinkedIn, but WP:NOTFB. Bearian (talk) 06:10, 29 November 2024 (UTC) I’m not saying that a new article has to be perfect, but come on. Bearian (talk) 06:51, 29 November 2024 (UTC)

• Keep per the significant coverage in multiple independent reliable sources. The subject passes Wikipedia:Notability (people)#Basic criteria, which says:

  People are presumed notable if they have received significant coverage in multiple published secondary sources that are reliable, intellectually independent of each other, and independent of the subject.

  • If the depth of coverage in any given source is not substantial, then multiple independent sources may be combined to demonstrate notability; trivial coverage of a subject by secondary sources is not usually sufficient to establish notability.

  Sources

  1. "新銳強勢發聲 Fresh Voice of Now / Eve Lin 設計師：林鈺倫" [Fresh Voice of Now / Designer: Lin Yulun]. Elle (in Chinese). 2014-08-18. Archived from the original on 2024-12-02. Retrieved 2024-12-02.

     The article notes: "『Back to 18』承擔下秋冬主題，不同形式的「跨界」，以成熟心理反向叛逆，是18歲的任性加上30歲的理智。 推開配合和妥協，經典的襯衫從此不再安安靜靜，迷上了摺紙藝術的Eve Lin，秋冬用雙手摺出喧譁的幾何圖形，送到印度刷印網版製印花，生產屬於自己的布絲、雪紡，不走數位印花如照片般的高解析，而是透過手工的粗實形成感情豐富的復古風味。"

     From Google Translate: ""Back to 18" takes on the theme of autumn and winter, with different forms of "cross-border" and rebellion with a mature psychology. It is the willfulness of an 18-year-old combined with the rationality of a 30-year-old. Pushing aside coordination and compromise, classic shirts are no longer quiet. Eve Lin is obsessed with the art of origami. In autumn and winter, she folds noisy geometric shapes with her hands and sends them to India for screen printing to produce her own fabrics. Silk and chiffon do not use high-resolution digital printing like photos, but create an emotional retro flavor through the roughness of handwork. Now she knows more accurately what the rules of the game are for her."

  2. YenLin (2015-11-03). "設計新世代 Young Powers／林鈺倫 女性主義的男裝結構" [Designing the New Generation: Young Powers / Yu Lun Eve Lin: The Feminist Structure of Menswear]. men's uno男人誌 (in Chinese). Archived from the original on 2024-12-02. Retrieved 2024-12-02.

     The article notes: "畢業自英國Central St. Martin的林鈺倫Eve Lin，2010年於英國倫敦自創同名品牌，受到英國男裝歷史文化以及製作技術的薰陶下，將極簡卻帶有女性優雅風格的想法，巧妙地套用在男裝的剪裁上，襯托出整個設計的質感以及她所追求的風格。"

     From Google Translate: "Eve Lin, who graduated from Central St. Martin in the UK, founded her own brand of the same name in London, UK in 2010. Influenced by the history, culture and production technology of British men's clothing, she skillfully applied the idea of ​​minimalism but feminine elegance. The tailoring of men's clothing brings out the texture of the entire design and the style she pursues."

     The article notes that she was born in 1984 in Taiwan, received a master of fashion design at Central Saint Martins, was an intern at the Alexander McQueen studio in London, started a clothing brand called Eve Lin in 2009, and is a lecturer at Shih Chien University's department of fashion studies.

  3. "台湾时装国际市场展风采" [Taiwan Fashion International Market Exhibition] (in Chinese). BBC. 2010-03-05. Archived from the original on 2024-12-02. Retrieved 2024-12-02.

     The article notes: "我最近在伦敦市中心的一个画廊（The Coningsby Gallery）就参观了来自台湾的女时装设计师林钰伦的时装展。来自台湾台中市的林钰伦从童年习画转而学习时装设计，去年取得在伦敦中央圣马丁设计艺术学院硕士学位，并成为该学院2009年唯一一位来自亚洲的女装硕士毕业生。早春之际，林钰伦受母校邀请，从台湾飞来伦敦参加新锐时装设计师秋冬女装作品展，她的时装展题为“All About Eve”。"

     From Google Translate: "I recently visited a fashion exhibition of Taiwanese fashion designer Lin Yu-lun at a gallery in central London (The Coningsby Gallery). Yu Lun Eve Lin, who is from Taichung, Taiwan, switched from painting to fashion design in her childhood. Last year, she obtained a master's degree from Central Saint Martins College of Art and Design in London and became the only Asian graduate of the college's women's fashion master's program in 2009. In early spring, Yu Lun Eve Lin was invited by her alma mater to fly from Taiwan to London to participate in the autumn and winter women's fashion exhibition of emerging fashion designers. Her fashion exhibition was titled "All About Eve"."

  There is sufficient coverage in reliable sources to allow Yu Lun Eve Lin (traditional Chinese: 林鈺倫; simplified Chinese: 林钰伦) to pass Wikipedia:Notability#General notability guideline, which requires "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject".

  Cunard (talk) 00:35, 2 December 2024 (UTC)

• The policies say that articles containing flaws should not be deleted if they can be improved. Wikipedia:Deletion policy#Alternatives to deletion says, If editing can address all relevant reasons for deletion, this should be done rather than deleting the page. Wikipedia:Editing policy#Wikipedia is a work in progress: perfection is not required says, Perfection is not required: Wikipedia is a work in progress. Collaborative editing means that incomplete or poorly written first drafts can evolve over time into excellent articles. Even poor articles, if they can be improved, are welcome. Cunard (talk) 00:35, 2 December 2024 (UTC)

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Tarnobrzeg Municipal Stadium

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Creator claims such small stadiums are inherently notable; I don't think that's true at all. Article was moved back into draft space by User:Mccapra, and creator moved it back to main space twice. Their argument? "The subject is encyclopedic, the article is well-sourced, and there is nothing in it beyond what is present in the Polish-language article." But the first thing is untrue and certainly questionable, the second is ridiculous (the link is to a user-generated database of stadiums), and the first is irrelevant on the English wiki. Drmies (talk) 14:55, 17 November 2024 (UTC)

I am in favor of keeping the article. Tarnobrzeg Municipal Stadium may not stand out significantly from other stadiums, but it represents a typical example of local sports infrastructure, much like other stadiums already included in the encyclopedia. To provide context, I reviewed two randomly selected stadiums—Stjörnuvöllur and Akranesvöllur—and found them similarly modest in scale. Deleting Tarnobrzeg Municipal Stadium based on the argument presented here could set a precedent for removing numerous comparable entries, which doesn’t align with our established approach to such topics. While I understand the concerns raised, I believe the article is well-sourced and falls within the scope of what we consider encyclopedic. Paradygmaty (talk) 15:03, 17 November 2024 (UTC)

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• Keep stadiums are generally notable. The article only has one source, though, that doesn't help with GNG, so we have to do a source search, not a blanket AfD. And what we see is that the stadium has been covered in secondary sources: [21] [22] (looks like the same story) [23] [24] (about hooligans who vandalized it.) Now those may not be a clear GNG pass, but they are all from the past month. It should be relatively easy to write a decent little article about this. SportingFlyer T·C 16:22, 17 November 2024 (UTC)

  Again we're missing the point here - since the article was sent to AfD, there's been some expansion with some sources which I think are fine (some don't count like transfermarkt), but more importantly there's at least one site - stadiony.pl - which includes news about the stadium back to 2009, and while some of it is self published others appear to be copies of articles published about the stadium. Polish football is generally well documented and a search of "Stadion Siarki Tarnobrzeg" brings up even more material which clearly clears GNG. There's news going back to 2013 for instance [25]. SportingFlyer T·C 07:16, 19 November 2024 (UTC)

*Delete all sports stadiums are not notable, and small local stadiums generally aren’t. There is nothing architecturally, historically or culturally distinctive about this one as far as I can see. Most towns have a stadium like this, just like they have a police station and a post office. Mccapra (talk) 16:54, 17 November 2024 (UTC)

• The test isn't about whether they are "architecturally, historically or culturally distinctive." The test is whether they've been covered in secondary sources, and this one clearly has. SportingFlyer T·C 17:13, 17 November 2024 (UTC)

  I agree with SportingFlyer – notability is based on coverage in reliable secondary sources, not just architectural or cultural significance. I’ve also expanded the article to provide more context, which supports its notability. Paradygmaty (talk) 17:18, 17 November 2024 (UTC)

• Delete, or maybe better merge into Siarka Tarnobrzeg. Per WP:NSTADIUM, stadiums are not generally notable and has to meet WP:GNG criteria. WP:GNG says that "significant coverage is not a guarantee that a subject merits its own article". Currently used sources do not demonstrate notability, and the vandalism articles are not even "significant coverage". The vandalism is not a historical event and Wikipedia is not a newspaper to collect such events of local importance. So I suggest deleting this paragraph and moving the rest to the club as a section, which should satisfy everyone involved. FromCzech (talk) 10:01, 18 November 2024 (UTC)
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• Redirect to Siarka Tarnobrzeg as possible search term. GiantSnowman 10:40, 18 November 2024 (UTC)

   Comment: I maintain my stance for KEEP, especially since I have updated the article to include the fact that this stadium hosted Siarka Tarnobrzeg during their three seasons in the top Polish league. This clearly indicates that it is not just an insignificant stadium. Surely, we wouldn't delete the stadium of an Ekstraklasa club – following that logic, we should also consider removing Františka Kloze Stadium (in Czechia), which is also "just a building." I kindly ask you to reconsider your position. Paradygmaty (talk) 16:09, 18 November 2024 (UTC)

• Redirect as suggested above. Mccapra (talk) 06:42, 19 November 2024 (UTC)

  You cannot vote twice. Paradygmaty (talk) 07:00, 19 November 2024 (UTC)

I haven’t. I struck my original !vote. Mccapra (talk) 23:03, 23 November 2024 (UTC)

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• Admin/Relist note, I had closed this as redirect to Siarka Tarnobrzeg. as a viable ATD where both fit together. History is preserved should there be a desire for a merger. however discussion arose at User_talk:Star_Mississippi#Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Tarnobrzeg_Municipal_Stadium and consensus was that a relist was likely more fruitful than DRV for an error in close and/or factors having changed. I leave this to the next closer as to whether this needs an additional seven days but given the ~ week since closure it's my personal opinion it should run a few days to ensure additional eyes for consensus (of whichever outcome that may be). Star Mississippi 01:13, 3 December 2024 (UTC)
• Thank you for relisting! I've added additional citations I found about the stadium renovation to the article to show this does indeed pass GNG. SportingFlyer T·C 01:59, 3 December 2024 (UTC)
• Redirect to Siarka Tarnobrzeg as an appropriate WP:ATD. There are now 10 sources on the page but they are all primary sources, and most are not independent of the club. Two new ones have just been added. These are [26] and [27], which do at least speak about the stadium, but are news reports about the modernisation, and thus fall squarely in WP:PRIMARYNEWS. To consider that another way, the question is what makes the stadium notable for its own article and not as a piece of club news. The answer to that cannot be a news report about the progress of the club's modernisation of its stadium. It is, however, worth a mention on the club page, and would enhance that page, which is currently rather short. There are also news articles about fans damaging the stadium. This too is better located on the club page. It is not so much about the stadium itself as about an event in the club history and should not really be separated from that. The remaining sources are not independent, primary and do not speak to the stadium itself. What is missing is anything that a stadium article could be written from. We can't assemble this from club news - there has to be some kind of secondary treatment of the stadium, such as a history or an analysis of why it is notable. We don't have that. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 08:35, 3 December 2024 (UTC)

Liminal horror (genre)

Liminal horror (genre) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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An article for this already exists at "Liminal space (aesthetic)". I do not believe the subject of this article is unique enough for a standalone article. I propose deletion. However, if others believe this article could be merged or redirected to "Liminal space (aesthetic)" instead, then the consensus should be respected. (Discuss 0nshore's contributions!!!) 00:46, 3 December 2024 (UTC)

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• Weak delete. The article's current sourcing is atrocious and it reads like an original essay. If it's kept, it probably needs to be nuked and started from scratch. I did find the following book: At the Edge of Existence: Liminality in Horror Cinema Since the 1970s, which is peer-reviewed and has "liminal horror" as its main topic. However, the only other sources I can find using this term are video game websites of dubious notability ([28] [29] and a college newspaper ([30]). Probably worth a mention at Liminal space (aesthetic), but not more than that for now. Astaire (talk) 01:06, 3 December 2024 (UTC)
• Delete - This topic seems rather duplicative of the information at Liminal space (aesthetic), with much of the information on the history of the phenomenon on the internet and things like the Backrooms already covered there. Currently there does not really seem to be a lot of distinction between the overarching topic of the liminal spaces aesthetic in general and the horror aspects in specific that would really necessitate it being split out. Further development should occur at the Liminal space (aesthetic) article first and, in the future, a separate article can be spun out if it ever become appropriate to do so. As mentioned above, the sources currently in the article are unacceptable, and there are a number of passages that appear to be WP:OR, so merging would not really be appropriate. Rorshacma (talk) 01:45, 3 December 2024 (UTC)

redirect: to Liminal space (aesthetic) and add a section there about explicit horror, as I can see how the current page lacks explicit mentions of horror (though it alludes to it) Themoonisacheese (talk) 10:10, 3 December 2024 (UTC)

Redirect to Liminal space (aesthetic). I agree with what others have said; this should just be talked about within the liminal space article. In terms of sourcing, this article fails WP:GNG. Beachweak (talk) 10:43, 3 December 2024 (UTC)

• Redirect and merge to Liminal space (aesthetic). A section that talks about the horror aspect seems fine. The article on its own does not support the GNG necessary to carry the article's weight. Conyo14 (talk) 18:02, 3 December 2024 (UTC)

Redirect and merge to Liminal space (aesthetic), probably can be expanded under the history section of that article. Procyon117 (talk) 18:25, 3 December 2024 (UTC)

• Comment - While a Redirect is relatively harmless (if not particularly useful as this is a pretty unlikely search term), I just want to go on record that I am very much opposed to a Merge of any kind. As I mentioned in my initial comments above, the only sources being used are not valid (a Reddit thread, two youtube videos, and two IMDB pages), and as such most of the content of this article appears to be complete WP:OR. Merging any of this would really not be ideal. This does not preclude the Liminal space (aesthetic) article from being expanded with more information on the horror aspects, using valid sources like the one mentioned by Astaire, but should not be done by merging from here. Rorshacma (talk) 20:57, 3 December 2024 (UTC)

  A merge doesn't necessarily take everything from one page to another. The merging editor can pick what pieces of content they can put into the target article. Conyo14 (talk) 22:01, 3 December 2024 (UTC)

  My point is that there is nothing on this page that should be put into the target article, as it is only based on WP:OR and unusable sources. Rorshacma (talk) 22:59, 3 December 2024 (UTC)

  Comment would Astaire's sources be valid for coverage that could be included in the Liminal space article? I'm admittedly not sure how deep they are in terms of coverage, but I'd assume a sentence could probably be gotten out of it at minimum. Has one ever considered Magneton? Pokelego999 (talk) 02:22, 4 December 2024 (UTC)

• It likely could, though looking at the preview that is available indicates that it is defining liminal horror as something different than horror centered around the aesthetic of liminal spaces. But, as that book is not actually being used as a reference for any of the claims in the current article, Merging would not be needed in order to use it to expand the Liminal space (aesthetic) article a bit. Rorshacma (talk) 02:34, 4 December 2024 (UTC)

2024 Northern Illinois vs. Notre Dame football game

2024 Northern Illinois vs. Notre Dame football game (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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No true sustained coverage. Upsets are common in College Football, though this was a significant one at the time. Esolo5002 (talk) 00:10, 3 December 2024 (UTC)

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• Delete We don't need a whole article every time there's an unexpected result. Most of this is fluff, and anything meaningful can be covered in the main season article. Reywas92^Talk 03:43, 3 December 2024 (UTC)
• Delete per nom and Reywas. Individual games can and should be dealt with in the relevant team season articles. Every "big" game or upset doesn't warrant a stand-alone. I'd probably vote to delete 2024 Alabama vs. Vanderbilt football game for the same reasons. Cbl62 (talk) 10:58, 3 December 2024 (UTC)
• Delete per WP:ROUTINE. Nothing in the article and nothing I've seen in news articles carry the weight of significant coverage necessary for single-game articles in this instance. Conyo14 (talk) 18:00, 3 December 2024 (UTC)
• Delete because there’s nothing to suggest it’s historic.38.122.245.52 (talk) 20:39, 3 December 2024 (UTC)

2023 Georgia Tech vs. Miami football game

2023 Georgia Tech vs. Miami football game (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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Clearly a case of WP:NOTNEWS. Certainly was a bad decision that cost Miami the game, and it got coverage afterwards, but no sustained coverage deserving of an article. Esolo5002 (talk) 00:07, 3 December 2024 (UTC)

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• Delete This is a example of how people massively overdo things here, thinking that because other articles have a particular format, any other article must be fleshed out to fill that. None of the background is relevant. None of the game summary is relevant. None of the aftermath is relevant. There was a bad decision at the end of the game that got attention, but the idea this needs a whole article is absurd. They lost a winnable regular season game, big whoop. Reywas92^Talk 03:41, 3 December 2024 (UTC)
• Delete per Reywas92. Had the game had some sort of nickname or an incredible event that would have spanned just a single week's news coverage, I would have opted for more of a keep. This is not the case here as the news coverage has been primarily WP:ROUTINE. Conyo14 (talk) 17:59, 3 December 2024 (UTC)
• Keep this is not big whoop. Several[31]sources called it one of the worst coaching decisions in the history of football. It even got coverage from the Washington Post. And coverage of the event can be found on November 9, 2024. Oh and there are plenty of sources on the talk page.--38.122.245.52 (talk) 20:33, 3 December 2024 (UTC)
• Delete This article doesn't contain sufficient content to justify its existence as a standalone page. A nickname could potentially add more depth to the subject. WikiGiancarloC2 (talk) 22:37, 3 December 2024 (UTC)

BiSheng compiler

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Article fails WP:GNG and WP:PRODUCT. Rainsday (talk) 01:45, 3 December 2024 (UTC)

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Article fails WP:GNG and WP:PRODUCT. Rainsday (talk) 01:59, 3 December 2024 (UTC)

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Article fails WP:GNG and WP:PRODUCT. Rainsday (talk) 02:09, 3 December 2024 (UTC)

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