Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Judo at the 2005 Maccabiah Games

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The result was delete. Sandstein 13:59, 14 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Judo at the 2005 Maccabiah Games

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WP:NOTDATABASE, fails WP:SIGCOV Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 20:52, 24 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Sports-related deletion discussions. Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 20:52, 24 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Israel-related deletion discussions. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 21:37, 24 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Keep: WP:VAGUEWAVE: While merely citing a policy or guideline may give other editors a clue as to what the reasoning is, it does not explain specifically how the policy applies to the discussion at hand. When asserting that an article should be deleted, it is important to explain why. The same is true when asserting that something does follow policy. Please explain and specify why this article should be deleted. — Preceding unsigned comment added by CLalgo (talk • contribs)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 21:03, 31 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Delete To provide encyclopedic value, data should be put in context with explanations referenced to independent sources. There is no context here, the entire article is just a set of data, copied from the only source. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not a sports stats site. Vexations (talk) 21:21, 31 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Delete or maybe even Redirect It shouldn't just be a dataset page copy and pasted off a single reference, but it seems it should just redirect back to it's parent 2005 Maccabiah Games Not a strong page and should not stand on it's own.--Littehammy (talk) 00:15, 4 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Keep (I'm repeating what I said here as it applies here as well) We should decide on an approach and then restructure information of a given multi-sport event as desired. But we shouldn't have gaps in our coverage because one article got nominated for deletion and the one next to it didn't. Simeon (talk) 10:55, 6 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 04:36, 7 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Keep The Maccabiah games are held under the supervision of the international olympic committee. In the past we have treated all the other regional sports events that fall under the IOC as notable. We have (for better or worse) treated events at these events as notable (either by policy or by action). We have articles for Judo at the 2004 Summer Olympics, Taekwondo at the 2007 South Pacific Games, Judo at the 2007 Pan American Games, Judo at the 2007 All-Africa Games, and Judo at the 2002 Commonwealth Games. I agree with Simeon, we need to come up with some new guidelines to address this. For now I think it should stay because we've let all the other games stay, and having gaps in articles while we figure this out would be problematic. Dr vulpes ^{(💬 • 📝)} 21:35, 7 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
"The Maccabiah games are held under the supervision of the international olympic committee." I will stop you there. This is false information. The IOC nothing do with the Maccabiah games. Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 22:41, 7 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Hey @Sportsfan 1234 here are some sources that support my previous statement. It is a similar arrangement that the other games have with the IOC.
Bell, D. (2016). Encyclopedia of International Games. United States: McFarland, Incorporated, Publishers.

"The quadrennial, Olympics-style Maccabiah Games are expected to draw some 7,000 Jewish athletes from 60 nations participating in over 30 different sporting events in 2005. This makes it the fourth largest international competition and it is fully recognized by the International Olympic Committee and FINA, Baron said." US Maccabiah Team Seeks Top Jewish Swimmers to Compete in 2005 Maccabiah Games in Israel - Swimming World Magazine

"The sixth Maccabiah was the first to operate from Kfar Maccabiah in Ramat Gan. It was also the first to be organized under the status of a Regional Event within the International Sports Association following the 1960 recognition by the International Olympic Committee of Maccabi World Union as an "Organization of Olympic Standing" over the strong objections of Arab countries" Building continuity for the Maccabiah with newly-granted IOC status - Jerusalem Post Dr vulpes ^{(💬 • 📝)} 02:04, 8 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Recognition does not equal "under the supervision" Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 02:08, 8 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I think we are having a miscommunication somewhere. Supervision doesn't mean they administer the games. The IOC doesn't administer any of the affinity based games. You can see that there is a level of organizational recognition in the IOC historical archives. Affinity-based Games Fonds sheet 29 November 2012. The Olympic Studies Centre is kind of neat they have a lot of material there and it's a great resource. Dr vulpes ^{(💬 • 📝)} 02:53, 8 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Fails WP:GNG due to lack of significant coverage. There is also no rule requiring articles to be created or maintained to close 'gaps'; the only inclusion criterion that matters is that enough reliable sources have talked about the given topic or subtopic, and this doesn't seem the case here. Avilich (talk) 23:22, 7 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. The Maccabiah is definitely an event of importance. Enough not only for its own article but also for edition articles and for multi-year summaries per sport. On the other hand, it is not important enough for articles per sport per Maccabiah or per delegation per Maccabiah. Still, the medal count table in the AfDd is a legitimate addition for the 2005 Maccabiah Games medal table article. So suggesting a bit of merge as well. Per sports discussion should also appear in 2005 Maccabiah Games. As pointed out by nom, the WP:SIGCOV is not met. gidonb (talk) 13:20, 11 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Delete A listing of results with no significant independent coverage doesn't show WP notability. Papaursa (talk) 11:32, 12 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS is getting on my nerves in sports-related deletion discussions. There isn't enough coverage. SWinxy (talk) 19:52, 13 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Fails WP:GNG due to lack of significant coverage in high-quality sources. --Malcolmxl5 (talk) 09:14, 14 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.