Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jesús Urbina

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The result was no consensus‎. Stifle (talk) 10:31, 22 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Jesús Urbina

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Article about a former football player which fails WP:GNG. No sign of notability from a google search Thesixserra (talk) 04:24, 2 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Football and Mexico. Thesixserra (talk) 04:24, 2 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Keep - @Thesixserra:, If you search up Yair Urbina (the name he goes by) portero (Spanish for goalie) on Google, you get a lot of Spanish results. Has made 143 appearances in the fully pro Liga MX and Ascenso MX. Article needs improvement, not deletion. Thanks, Das osmnezz (talk) 13:25, 2 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Das osmnezz The article needs WP:SIGCOV, is there any in those Spanish results? Alvaldi (talk) 16:30, 2 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Looks like a possible keep to me, there is prose on the Spanish wiki, but no sources and generic sourcing on other wiki's. However I don't see it too much at the moment, however, before on the these articles, Spanish/Mexican sources are found online with the right search engines, google is pretty useless here. Govvy (talk) 20:58, 2 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per Das Osmnezz, over 100 appearances in the Mexican top division and coverage including this and this (there will be better stuff found by Spanish speakers). Giant Snowman 22:00, 2 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Govvy:, See above. Thanks, Das osmnezz (talk) 03:12, 3 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: Happy to withdraw my nomination if someone comes up with reliable sources from any language that helps to meet GNG. Thesixserra (talk) 03:43, 3 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Did you only check Google, User:Thesixserra? Surely a player going this far back, should be checked in Proquest. Nfitz (talk) 04:09, 3 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Thesixserra:, GiantSnowman provided some above... not to mention that there are many many others besides those ones... clearly was significant figure in Mexican football with 143 appearances in the fully pro Liga MX and Ascenso MX. Article needs improvement, not deletion. Thanks, Das osmnezz (talk) 07:13, 3 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Fails WP:GNG due to lack of significant coverage. There is no significant coverage in the article and despite claims of WP:THEREMUSTBESOURCES, only two sources have been presented in the AfD and neither is a significant coverage Of the two, [1] is a single response from an interview with no significant prose regarding the subject and [2] is a minor story about him potentially being recalled from a loan. I am more than happy to change my !vote if sources are found. Alvaldi (talk) 09:04, 3 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I did a search in Proquest like @Nfitz suggested (good call!) and came up with one source of sigcov, a 2012 article from Notimex that covers his career up to that point. There are about 400 hits and I went through the first 50. The rest I found was the normal brief mentions, match reports, interviews etc. It still needs more sources to pass the multiple sources threshold and unfortunately I don't have the time to go through the rest and do the work that the article's creator should've done in the first place. However, if somebody else has the time and comes up with a significant source (from some other publication than Notimex), ping me. Alvaldi (talk) 09:44, 3 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - Medio Tiempo has an article from 2011 that is similar to the Notimex article from 2012. It seems like a routine transfer announcement, but it doesn't appear to be entirely derivative of a club press release and has a decent career recap. I'd like to see something else that is in-depth, but this could be a close call. Jogurney (talk) 01:35, 5 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Jogurney:, [3] ("Yair Urbina was signed by Dorados de Sinaloa in the recent DRAFT, but he will play with a double record in the Mexican soccer affiliate system, this is how Urbina will seek to start the season in competition with Adrián Zermeño, who in theory would be the first option to replace Saucedo at the start of the season against Atlas. Urbina, 30, was in Veracruz last season, before that he was key with Neza for his consolidation in the Promotion League. Reflexes, maturity and security in the exits characterize this goalkeeper who will receive an opportunity in the First Division after passing through Tigres and Morelia not to mention some First Clubs") and [4], among many many more Spanish sources should easily push him over the line. Clearly was significant figure in Mexican football with 143 appearances in the fully pro Liga MX and Ascenso MX. Article needs improvement, not deletion. Thanks, Das osmnezz (talk) 07:09, 5 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I'm still looking for coverage, but let's not confuse people about the level of this footballer's career. He's played just 5 minutes (1 substitute's appearance) in Liga MX. Most of his play has been in the Ascenso MX and Copa MX (far lower profile competitions). Jogurney (talk) 14:05, 5 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Keep passes GNG.--Ortizesp (talk) 16:32, 7 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Delete No significant coverage as per WP:SPORTBASIC 128.6.36.94 (talk) 20:25, 7 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Weak delete - I've tried to find significant coverage online, and I'm just not seeing it. There are a few sources that note his Primera debut with Tigres, but the coverage is pretty superficial. The rest of the coverage is generally post-match interviews, interviews about potential transfers/loans/loan recalls and transfer announcements/speculation. A few such at the Notimex and Medio Tiempo sources noted above (and an Atiempo source) contain brief recaps of his career, but they are not in-depth in my opinion. I think if Urbina had played more than 5 minutes in the Primera/Liga MX, we might find a lot more, but he's just a second/third division player. Jogurney (talk) 02:35, 8 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, CycloneYoris ^talk! 00:37, 10 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: BLP, fails GNG and BIO. Sources in article and above are promo or brief mentions in routine sports news, nothing that meets IS RS with SIGCOV addressing the subject directly and indepth. WP:BLP states "Be very firm about the use of high-quality sources"'; BLPs need IS RS with SIGCOV addressing the subject directly and indepth for both content and notability per well known core policy (WP:V and WP:BLP) and guidelines (WP:BIO and WP:IS, WP:RS, WP:SIGCOV). // Timothy :: talk 04:09, 16 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Several good, though brief, sources have been provided above. And there's more that are similar. I think WP:BASIC is met, with the sum of all these references, from many publications. But digging deeper into Proquest, there's significant GNG coverage way back in 2004, when he was with Tigres ProQuest 315779582! GNG is met ... and it's a BEFORE failure - a Proquest search is critical for Latin American players, especially from the early 2000s. Nfitz (talk) 03:30, 17 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
The portion of the El Norte article I can see indicates it is an injury report - nothing approaching in-depth coverage. Can you access more than the first two paragraphs? If so, what else does the article cover? Jogurney (talk) 02:41, 18 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
The article is 11 paragraphs and 400 words - primarily discussing the injury. And no, 400-word injury reports are not routine! There's a dozen or so more El Norte articles from that time period - which is hardly surprising for the backup keeper on one of the top teams in the continent - even with only one start. We can all access Proquest through Wikipedia library. Nfitz (talk) 02:20, 19 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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