Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Heroism (computer game)

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. --Core desat 03:39, 12 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Heroism (computer game)

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Non-notable game by a non-notable company, with a conflict of interest in the article to boot. The Evil Spartan 23:33, 7 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I Realize the Mistake - I now realize that I have breached the rules in that I, the creator of the game, posted an article about their own creation. However, I did have the best intentions and tried to be as neutral as possible (I rewrote everything, did not use my normal promotional text; heck, the whole process was actually a lot of fun). I am removing the least neutral part, the forum banner part as its wording probably was the most controversial.

Of course, I would love people to add more and to edit it. Originally, one of the players said they wanted to make an article for Heroism, which gave me the idea.

ZoopTEK 01:26, 8 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Delete, not yet notable. No prejudice to recreate if it does become notable. --Dennis The Tiger (Rawr and stuff) 01:44, 8 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Wait a moment - Okay, I still understand that Heroism's article does not follow the rules. However, I just found out that some of my fans actually made a ZoopTEK page a while back that was also deleted for advertising. If possible, could I be shown the old ZoopTEK page to see how bad it really was? Supposedly it was quick-deleted.

Regardless, there are numerous reviews of ZoopTEK's games which can be used as references even if I do not write the article. Google "Paint Ball 3 EXTREME" (which got 80,000 downloads and was quite popular to the younger crowd), "Zomband" (probably one of the more popular zombie rogue-likes right now, getting hundreds of downloads a month), and "Mastery" for a quick look.

The best case scenario is that if the ZoopTEK article is revived, the work on this Heroism page could not be wasted and be moved into the ZoopTEK article.

Thanks.

ZoopTEK 18:29, 8 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Wait -- This seems like an acceptable solution. Rebuild the zooptek main page, then merge whatever portions of this page are relevant, useful, and fit WP:NPOV.

--209.43.1.25 18:43, 8 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

- Wouldn't the Zooptek page undeletion be handled in WP:DRV or somesuch? --Dennis The Tiger (Rawr and stuff) 19:44, 8 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

- - Yes. I simply wanted opinions on saving some of the work of this article which probably will be deleted otherwise. ZoopTEK 00:55, 9 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Weak Delete The problem with this article is the lack of notability, not the content. I'll gladly change my vote if reliable sources are found to give this game "significant coverage" Corpx 03:50, 9 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. The article makes no assertion of notability, and I can't find any sign of anything elsewhere. I suspect ZoopTEK will fail notability as well. I got 4,520 hits on that, but as Google likes to eliminate duplication it narrowed it to 12 by page 2, none of which seemed to be from a reliable third party source. --Moonriddengirl 11:01, 9 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- ZoopTEK does have its references - I had written out a bunch of links... and then my browser crashed... ug... rewriting. - 68.79.203.211 22:32, 9 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- ZoopTEK does have its references - The name ZoopTEK itself is not as well known as the games' titles. As I said above, you need to search for the games themeselves... rarely does ZoopTEK's name appear in the reviews. In fact, many review sites link to other review sites and not even directly to ZoopTEK.net for the download! Anyway, my fans and I have been looking for the references you want, and have found many. I have categorized them by topic.
  - Paint Ball 3 EXTREME - A game I retired a few years ago, so active links are harder to find. If you go through web archives, you can find many more reviews and gameplay guides. The game received 80,000 downloads back in the day and was quite popular to the younger crowd. Here are the active links:
  - Zomband - A newer game that has received over 2301 downloads as of today. It is quite popular in the rogue-like community, receiving about 500 downloads a month. Links are far easier to find.
    - http://www.roguetemple.com/2007/05/10/zomband-and-no-this-is-not-an-angband-variant-p/
    - http://weapons-of-distraction.anagkh.net/?p=182 (German review)
    - http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cache:ES_mNKsEXQkJ:forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=2536711&userid=80234 zomband&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=7&gl=us (Something Awful linked to the game, bringing in a ton of downloads. This is a Google cache link talking about how they have made Zomband popular.)
    - http://madcatsden.net/MadcatsForums/viewtopic.php?p=17&sid=819c05dee8e062166a6dd5ce8e85d1c0
    - http://www.advancewarsnet.com/forums/index.php?s=27788602ef3742eefc532f8f10c666a5&showtopic=28688&st=0&hl=
    - http://reddit.com/info/1tvfa/comments
    - http://forums.swut.net/viewtopic.php?p=48766&sid=e8f4a16a0d652ef7ae3619a457189211
    - http://anywherebb.com/postline/posts.php?t=461&p=49
    - http://www.rlgclub.ru/pmwiki.php?n=Roguelikes.GameZomband (Russian listing)
    - http://www.zombiemaster.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=36201&highlight=&sid=e6442ac38ec54a215183b0fa9089be79
    - http://razaron.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=85&view=previous&sid=bcdc2bf342d87f2b94ed4b7884fb7ec2
    - ... and many more links. "Zomband" returns plenty of Google responses.
  - NationStates: Battlegrounds - A little add-on for the online web-game NationStates.net. It was retired around two years ago. Links are hard to find.
    - http://ns.goobergunch.net/wiki/index.php/Battlegrounds
  - Mastery - A massively online world domination game. It has not gathered a huge fan base because the game is mighty difficult due to how cut-throat it is. Unfortunately Mastery is a hard term to google for because it's such a generic word.
    - http://www.mpogd.com/games/game.asp?ID=3448
    - MPOGD also has news entries about Mastery.
  - ZoopTEK itself links. Not many because people are more concerned with the games than who made them.
    - http://www.reloaded.org/ZoopTEK/Company51/

ZoopTEK has had its moments of popularity... particularly three years ago when Paint Ball 3 EXTREME had not yet been retired. But right now, I admit... it's not doing as well. Heroism is the new fancy game, but it will take time for it to find its place on game review websites. If I put this up three years ago, it probably would not have been such a debate. Thanks for reading! - ZoopTEK 23:09, 9 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

- For what it's worth, ZoopTek does not enter into this article - so just how notable ZoopTEK is is absolutely not relevant here. We're looking to see just how notable Heroism the game is. Also, note thhat if you recreate the ZoopTEK article, it will be seen as a conflict of interest - my suggestion is to wait for somebody else to write it. See WP:COI. --Dennis The Tiger (Rawr and stuff) 23:21, 9 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  - Again, I know this does not relate to the Heroism article. And I know the Heroism article will probably be shut down. I acknowledge all of this and I am totally okay with it! I'm not trying to be argumentative either. I was simply responding to Moonriddengirl about ZoopTEK's notability. - ZoopTEK 23:41, 9 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.