Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/H8000
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- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was delete. Sr13 18:40, 23 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - Original research, Unsourced by reliable secondary sources, very little information, most of article is a list of bands, this just seems to be a local name for Metalcore. Prod was removed with this comment: deleted warning, H8000 Is very well know in Western Europe, US and Japan. It is of great Cultural Value! which is completely unverifiable. Something 'of great cultural value' should have plenty sources available, you'd have thought. DarkSaber2k 15:25, 18 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete Non-notable MySpace group with absolutely no reliable sources--Ispy1981 15:41, 18 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete. Most likely a hate group.--Edtropolis 18:41, 18 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment Dutch version of this page has been up for years without controversy, but web search in Dutch or English doesn't turn up much (most hits are for a piece of music equipment, not the music style. I couldn't find anything in English that amounts to a reliable source, but there could conceivably be something in Dutch (Dutch wikipage also lacks sources though). But no evidence to accuse them of being a hate group, which seems to me to be a pretty strong accusation. Capmango 00:48, 19 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment I'm not seeing anything that would make it a hate group. The H (or Hate) in this case seems to refer to the criticisms against their particular style of music. If hatred of critics makes one a hate group, I guess I would be a hate group, too.--Ispy1981 15:16, 19 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete. Hate group? Doubtful. Not notable? Certainly. Realkyhick 20:10, 19 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Speedy Delete, CSD A7. Article about a group with no assertion of notability. Also the lists are just redlinks. - Zeibura (Talk) 05:17, 20 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- It's not really about a group, it's about a so-called genre (which basically appears to a local Belgian name for Metalcore, rather than anything notably different.) DarkSaber2k 09:44, 20 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Just to clarify, I did think about that, but the etymology of the name makes it seem like a sort of cabal more than a genre. For an example of a genre name based on a certain place from which it originated, take Chicago house, which wasn't being used as a label until it had had an influence on people, and could be used to classify anyone making a certain kind of music regardless of where they were from, with the "Chicago" part of the name based on the cultural origins. This, on the other hand, merely states "H8000 is the name for all hardcore scenes in West Flanders." There's no indication on whether this is a genre, or any different from metalcore, it just seems to be these bands classifying themselves based on where they're from (what postal district). So by that def, my rationale is that it's an organised group of bands with a name, and therefore a group of people. I totally applaud the decision to take this to AfD rather than speedy it, as it's not blatant, but after consideration, it does seem to meet A7. - Zeibura (Talk) 13:37, 20 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Having said that though, if "H8000 Is very well known in Western Europe, US and Japan." can be verified, then this would probably be keepable. It just doesn't seem to be verifiable. - Zeibura (Talk) 13:44, 20 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.