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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus. MBisanz talk 01:06, 21 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Go Faster Stripe

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Non-notable, self-promotional. Doesn't meet WP:CORP. No sources. Graymornings(talk) 12:38, 16 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

What "sources" are required to make you and "community" happy? if you remove a page like this surely you would have to remove all film companies? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Riker666 (talk • contribs) 12:46, 16 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry forgot to sign, this is my first ever page creation, I should add that I have nothing to do with Go Faster just bought most of their Richard Herring DVDs Riker666 (talk) 13:03, 16 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete No notability is asserted or demonstrated. Searching also yields no independent, third-party, reliable sources. This fails WP:CORP and WP:N. There are several notable people associated with the corporation (according to the article) but I am not aware of any Wikipedia guidelines that indicate this confers notability on the company. There is nothing to indicate this article meets the inclusion criteria, so it should be deleted. Theseeker4 (talk) 15:35, 16 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Do Not Delete. Please keep entries like this, they are noteworthy and I leart more about them from reading the entry. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.146.44.55 (talk) 19:17, 16 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Go Faster Stripe are a notable organisation worthy of an entry within Wikipedia. They provide an excellent record of the works of some of the UK's most notable comics, whose works might otherwise be lost. I consider my DVD collection to have been significantly enhanced by Go Faster Stripes commitment to less commercial comedians, whose work is highly respected amongst their colleagues but less well known and less appealing to the general public. —Preceding unsigned comment added by WillHE (talk • contribs) 19:27, 16 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete. There would seem to be no mentions of this company in the mainstream media, therefore I can only conclude that it fails to meet both WP:CORP and WP:N. --bigissue (talk) 19:36, 16 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep It's a young article, and there are references. The influential British comedy website Chortle has dedicated an article to them. [1] Ghits for '"Go Faster Stripe"' comedy is pretty impressive. The JPStalk to me 19:40, 16 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Deletel. All I found was that one Chortle page (besides ads)--and I dug through a dozen pages of search hits for "Go Faster Stripe." So, no references, only reference. That means that the "sources" required by this "community" are not up to snuff--regardless of the disdain expressed by some for this "community." Drmies (talk) 21:16, 16 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

"Although using a search engine like Google can be useful in determining how common or well-known a particular topic is, a large number of hits on a search engine is no guarantee that the subject is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia. Similarly, a lack of search engine hits may only indicate that the topic is highly specialized or not generally sourceable via the internet. "- from WP:OTHERCRAPEXISTS. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Riker666 (talk • contribs) 21:11, 17 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Note: "Salford set for Sinha" only mentions the company in passing; "Go Faster Stripe are very good indeed" is a blog (maybe a good one, but it's still a blog); "Go Faster Stripe" is an entirely local (Cardiff) blog; this leaves two Chortle articles. That's not much. Drmies (talk) 21:22, 16 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
The anons shot themselves in the foot, really, by the comments you quote. Normally that would be ammunition for me. Yes, blogs aren't acceptable. Still, two Chortle articles. Give it a chance... The JPStalk to me 21:46, 16 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
You know, I don't even mind that so much. I'm a teacher, I hear that sort of stuff all the time... If there were anything besides those two, there might be a better case for me, esp. since the two articles are really not substantially different. Can you dig anything else up? I was unable to. Drmies (talk) 01:04, 17 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

What reference from websites would you expect to be on this page other than the list of comedians that have products on there, for example I had a look at the Music For Nations page, an independent record company that do not exist anymore and went under before the web really kicked off, there is just a roster which is what I would expect to find surely this page is the same, and independent filmmaker with a list of its products? Riker666 (talk) 20:26, 17 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The more references that have been printed in reliable sources the better, especially where GFS is the primary subject. The two Chortle articles are good (even if they are similar, there are two of them). As for other articles you find, we have a guideline: WP:OTHERCRAPEXISTS. The JPStalk to me 20:59, 17 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Cheers for above info, who now decides whether this page goes or stays does one person do it? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Riker666 (talk • contribs) 21:14, 17 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
A neutral administrator (who has not been involved in the discussion or the page) will look at this discussion and make the decision. The future looks bleak... keep looking for sources! The JPStalk to me 21:23, 17 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
How many references do I need to find? I've just added 2 more that I think are from reliable sources (NOT BBC, Groggy Squirrel) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Riker666 (talk • contribs) 21:42, 17 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. Refs certainly improve the article but it would be better still if they were focused on the subject rather than the acts. GFS get nothing more than a passing mention in many of the ones that have been added, so they do not really add value. Quality not quantity is what is required. The tone of the article could do with addressing – needs to be more encyclopaedic. What kind of compromise would artists need to make otherwise and why? Sounds like PR speak to me. History section reads like a blog. --bigissue (talk) 22:11, 17 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • I have cleaned up the lead section and formatted the refs, removing a couple that added no value and one dead link. However, I still have serious doubts as to the notability of the company as media coverage is generally incidental, i.e. articles about acts mentioning they have a DVD produced by GFS. Go Faster Stripe has not been "the subject of significant coverage in reliable, independent secondary sources", therefore fails WP:CORP. --bigissue (talk) 11:36, 18 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep — article now looks like establishes notability via multiple independent sources. MuZemike (talk) 17:47, 18 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I have spent a not insignificant amount of time trying to improve the article and the simple fact is, this is a non-notable company. They have produced less than 15 DVDs, none of which are available through any major (or minor) retailers. In addition, I believe that the sources are insufficient for WP:CORP. Therefore the article should be deleted. --bigissue (talk) 08:45, 19 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for your efforts. Just a minor correction: it seems four DVDs are available through amazon.co.uk [2] The JPStalk to me 09:51, 19 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry, should have been clear – I meant highstreet, walk in, pick it up off the shelves retailers. bigissue (talk) 11:04, 19 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
As they are primarily an internet mail order company you are not likely to pick them up the high street, by that definition items from artsits that are internet only should be removed from the wiki if I cant buy them in HMV?86.20.188.219 (talk) 11:50, 19 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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