Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/CoDominium

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Keep but possibly rename or merge. There's no argument to delete the content, and the conversation as to where and under what name can continue editorially. Star Mississippi 18:10, 16 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

CoDominium

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This has been tagged as in need of more citations since 2009, and PRIMARY/INUNIVERSE since 2014. The article is divided into a listing of the books in the series and then a plot summary. It has nothing on reception/significance of the series. My BEFORE yielded little. There are quite a few passing mentions, but sadly, snippet view due to copyright restrictions prevented me from following on all, but I couldn't find any WP:SIGCOV (although it's possible copyright snippetting is cutting off something useful :( ). A few works like [1] or [2] seem to provide a short plot summary. This seem to have some analysis of a few books in the series (I think those). The series probably does warrant som mention somewhere, probably in Jerry Pournelle (where it is not discussed except as 'see also'!), but I am afraid what we have here merits WP:TNT. Perhaps we could save the table (list of works), which could be merged to Jerry_Pournelle#Bibliography, but unless someone can add a reception/significance section, I am afraid this cannot be kept as a stand-alone article. Ping User:ReaderofthePack, User:Daranios, User:TompaDompa - do prove me wrong if you can find something to rescue this. PS. We also have an article on a subseries, War World (series), which is in about the same bad shape and at minimum, a merge is likely needed. _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 09:59, 8 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Fictional elements, Science fiction and fantasy, Literature, and Military. _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 09:59, 8 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: I'll take a look. Ideally we can just merge the two series together for a single article, if there's not enough sourcing to establish notability for both. ReaderofthePack(formerly Tokyogirl79) (｡◕‿◕｡) 13:47, 8 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Huh - it actually looks like the War World books are generally mentioned in the main article list-wise, so any merging would likely be prose centric. ReaderofthePack(formerly Tokyogirl79) (｡◕‿◕｡) 13:59, 8 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. I've found enough to where this would pass, but haven't gone through the whole list of books just yet. The bigger thing to look at will be which of the novels are independently notable, which will take some time because of the amount of books and the fact that the majority of sources will be either not online or hidden behind paywalls. I also need to look into the subseries, but I have a feeling that will likely need to be merged. This still needs a lot of work but notability has been secured. ReaderofthePack(formerly Tokyogirl79) (｡◕‿◕｡) 14:09, 8 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@ReaderofthePack Thanks. Just a question: you've added some sources suggesting notability for individual books (reviews) but I am still not seeing anything about the series/universe? _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 08:28, 9 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The reviews mention the overall universe/series, so I'd count that as notability for the series as a whole. Plus for something this expansive (one main series, one sub/spinoff series) it would make sense to have a separate page just for this so it doesn't bog down the main author's page, especially as there are multiple authors that worked on them. ReaderofthePack(formerly Tokyogirl79) (｡◕‿◕｡) 12:51, 9 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I concur there are mentions, but WP:SIGCOV is an issue. _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 15:52, 9 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I made a custom Google search thing awhile back to check for websites that are listed as reliable sources for book reviews. https://cse.google.com/cse?cx=000940472126197254432:ojqph5ir04q Dream Focus 03:34, 11 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Keep This is a list article, so just rename it List of novels in CoDominium series. List articles are more useful than category articles since they have more information on them. Category:CoDominium series exist of course. One of the purposes of a list article is to aid in navigation, and plenty of valid links to articles about the individual books. Dream Focus 03:28, 11 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Dream Focus Arguably, this is a solution, since lists of novels tend to meet WP:LISTN (there are such lists usually out there...). Would be good to have an independent listing (not publisher, not fanpages, not goodreads/amazon) to be sure. Can you find one? _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 08:17, 11 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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