Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Asteroid Ceres in fiction

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The result was merge to Asteroids in fiction#Ceres. To an extent to be determined by editorial consensus and the work needed in the target article. Sandstein 07:39, 1 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Asteroid Ceres in fiction

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Having just finished rewriting Earth in science fiction from a fancrufty list of trivia into a proper article, I stumbled upon Template:Astronomical locations in fiction, and ouch. It's full of more listcruft; some of which might be salvageable by rewriting, some of which fails WP:GNG, WP:NLIST, WP:OR, and so on. This is probably one of the worst - I wouldn't be surprised if topics like Mars or Venus in (science...) fiction could be given similar treatment to what I just did to Earth. Ceres, I am afraid, is not likely to be salaved, I certainly couldn't find any WP:SIGCOV dealing with this topic, which is sadly just a trivial and mostly unreferenced list of 'works that mention Ceres'. _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 04:43, 24 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete I removed a few works without a bluelinked article or author. Many of the remaining entries are minor appearances or passing mentions, or don't have enough context to determine plot relevance. There is no attempt to establish LISTN, and all references are likely primary sources for their respective works (several works by Robert A. Heinlein, a novel by L. Neil Smith, and Zone of the Enders). –LaundryPizza03 (d c̄) 05:07, 24 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep/merge The Encyclopedia of Science Fiction has a stubby entry for Ceres leading to its main entry on asteroids . We have an equivalent page at Asteroids in fiction and so might do something similar per policies WP:ATD and WP:PRESERVE. As a dwarf planet with the same status as Pluto now, it merits attention which will only expand as we move out into the belt in the manner shown in The Expanse. Andrew🐉(talk) 08:38, 24 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Merge and redirect to Asteroids in fiction#Ceres. From a quick perusal, it appears the asteroid plays a major role in Exiles to Glory and The Killing Star, maybe The Expanse (TV series and novels) too. The other entries, not so much. Clarityfiend (talk) 09:40, 24 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Merge to Asteroids in fiction#Ceres per others as a WP:ATD. However, too crufty right now to stand on its own._{ZXCVBNM (TALK)} 10:33, 24 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Merge & redirect to Asteroids in fiction#Ceres as per Clarityfiend.--Melaleuca alternifolia | talk 15:42, 24 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Merge to Asteroids in fiction#Ceres per the above - There are a few notable examples, but a WP:SPLIT from the main article on asteroids in fiction in general is not necessary. Rorshacma (talk) 16:12, 24 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Asteroids in fiction, which in turn needs a major cleanup/rewrite. There is nothing worth merging here, just a bunch of examples. Listing every time X appears in a work of fiction is something TV Tropes does; we should strive to write something about X in fiction, not just enumerate examples. This applies outside of fiction too, of course—it is the difference between writing the article Climate of London and creating the article list of rainy days in London. There doesn't seem to be enough coverage in WP:Reliable sources to warrant converting this into a stand-alone prose article (as was done with e.g. Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Space stations and habitats in fiction and Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Eco-terrorism in fiction), however, so redirecting seems to be the best option for now. TompaDompa (talk) 18:05, 24 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - Ceres is a dwarf planet, a world apart from the asteroids, all of which are a magnitude less notable than Ceres itself.XavierGreen (talk) 17:08, 31 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
You seem to have mistaken the topic of deletion here, which is not Ceres but Ceres in fiction (as your argument has nothing to do with the topic being discussed). And if you object to terminology, note that dwarf planets can be asteroids, at least that's the impression I get from a quick glance at our Good Article on Ceres (dwarf planet) which states in the lead: "The first asteroid discovered, Ceres was first observed on..." and "In 2006, it was reclassified again as a dwarf planet because, at 940 km (580 mi) in diameter, it is the only asteroid large enough to be rounded by its own gravity". _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 06:59, 1 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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