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Amir Reza Mirzaei

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Fails notability, never won a major medal. his achievements are in youth level or either in minor competitions. Sports2021 (talk) 04:13, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Sheida Mohammadi

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Fails notability, never won anything in senior level. never even competed. based on the article she won a bronze in Gymnasiade which is far from being notable. Sports2021 (talk) 22:39, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete, she is on a track that eventually might lead somewhere, but she has not arrived at notability yet, being a participant in children's sports events. Geschichte (talk) 23:04, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hamidreza Sadri (Taekwondo)

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Fails notability, it was deleted once after this discussion Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Hamidreza Sadri now created under another name by the same user to trick wikipedia. Sports2021 (talk) 22:34, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment - given that this was created by the same user as the one that created Hamidreza Sadri, could this be WP:G4 speedy deleted? Both claim to just be direct translations from Farsi Wikipedia. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 22:41, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I looked at the deleted version, and had to decline the G4 as this one has more content and more sources, so can't really be considered identical enough. I'm not commenting on whether this demonstrates any notability either, only that it appears (superficially) to be a more credible attempt at least. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 08:58, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep to me the users decided wrongly about last AFD , because he has the notablity of sportpersons in Wikipedia and I Didn't tricks anyone I just couldn't put New AFD, however This article is only translated from the farsi Wikipedia . Hamidreza Sadri is holder of Silver medal Asian junior and Gold medal at military world games which both competitions are notable for Wikipedia and many other international tournaments and now he plays Azarbaijan national team and these days he injured but he will get back to competitions soon

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There is no such thing as "users decided wrongly"; everyone is free to make their arguments as they see fit, and the closer of the earlier AfD discussion certainly closed it correctly as reflecting consensus. You may not like the outcome, but you should not dismiss it as "wrong". -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 09:01, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yogasana at the 2022 National Games of India

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Reviewed during NPP. No evidence of wp:notability under SNG or GNG. This is one of 4 near-identical articles in the NPP que. I took on to AFD ( Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Yogasana at the 2023 National Games of India and asked for a thorough discussion as possible guidance for the others and other similar articles. I am AFD'ing the three remaining articles which are are Mallakhamba at the 2023 National Games of India , Archery at the 2023 National Games of India , and Yogasana at the 2022 National Games of India. This would require meeting GNG, i.e. GNG sources on the topic and not only are there not GNG sources, there are no sources except for stats database and as a result the article is stats-only. North8000 (talk) 19:32, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per discussion on 2023 edition. Geschichte (talk) 19:38, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete Just because a sporting event (or election, etc) happened does not mean it needs a standalone article for detailed results without discussion or substantive sources with additional coverage. If all you can do is copy data from the official website, then just link to that website with a summary in the main article because we are not the place to paste statistics by themselves. Reywas92^Talk 20:36, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Archery at the 2023 National Games of India

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Reviewed during NPP. No evidence of wp:notability under SNG or GNG. This is one of 4 near-identical articles in the NPP que. I took on to AFD ( Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Yogasana at the 2023 National Games of India and asked for a thorough discussion as possible guidance for the others and other similar articles. I am AFD'ing the three remaining articles which are are Mallakhamba at the 2023 National Games of India , Archery at the 2023 National Games of India , and Yogasana at the 2022 National Games of India. This would require meeting GNG, i.e. GNG sources on the topic and not only are there not GNG sources, there are no sources except for stats database and as a result the article is stats-only. North8000 (talk) 19:32, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Mallakhamba at the 2023 National Games of India

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Reviewed during NPP. No evidence of wp:notability under SNG or GNG. This is one of 4 near-identical articles in the NPP que. I took on to AFD ( Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Yogasana at the 2023 National Games of India and asked for a thorough discussion as possible guidance for the others and other similar articles. I am AFD'ing the three remaining articles which are are Mallakhamba at the 2023 National Games of India , Archery at the 2023 National Games of India , and Yogasana at the 2022 National Games of India. This would require meeting GNG, i.e. GNG sources on the topic and not only are there not GNG sources, there are no sources except for stats database and as a result the article is stats-only. North8000 (talk) 19:31, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete, 86 it for going against WP:NOTEVERYTHING. Wikipedia is not a repository of detailed results from every thinkable sports competition. Geschichte (talk) 23:11, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

History of rugby union matches between Italy and Georgia

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Not a notable rivalry or pairing Fram (talk) 12:38, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete per WP:NOTSTATS, which is what this article is at the moment. Even so, a rivalry article doesn't appear to have any significant coverage, but I haven't looked too deep into it yet. Conyo14 (talk) 22:22, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

2024 Chicago Bears–Detroit Lions Thanksgiving game

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I'm a die hard Lions fan and that's a big part of my editing, but this game isn't particular special or deserving of a standalone article. The only "remarkable" part about it was a mishap regarding taking a timeout at the end, which is a mishap that happens several times a season. Does not warrant a standalone article and should be deleted.

I obviously understand there was bad clock management, there's no doubt about that, but this is barely more than what routinely happens every single season several times. Games are always cost this way, by miscommunications. There's always going to be sensationalized reporting that happens immediately after a game, that's frankly expected. Hey man im josh (talk) 21:17, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete Not notable, calling this an "infamous NFL game" is absurd. E_F⁵ 21:25, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Alternatively, I suppose this could be redirected to Bears–Lions rivalry. Hey man im josh (talk) 21:55, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I do not want this page to be deleted. I want it to stay. 2601:40A:8400:1820:5D10:B5A6:B02:CF3D (talk) 22:34, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Not a notable enough game. Definite recency bias in this articles creation. This is not one of those games that will be mentioned as an all-timer. The Hail Mary game versus the Commanders, sure, but not this. Maybe it deserves a special mention in the Bears' and Lions' season pages, but nothing more than that. Eg224 (talk) 00:07, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I would rather keep this page. 2601:40A:8400:1820:5D10:B5A6:B02:CF3D (talk) 02:08, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete, with maybe some selective merging to Matt Eberflus#Chicago Bears. Clearly a case of recentism. Esolo5002 (talk) 02:40, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: Historic in numerous ways, leading to the firing of a Bears coach midseason for the first time, getting the Lions to their best start in franchise history, as well as one of the most baffling endings to a game ever, even after a comeback by the Bears. I don't think that recency is the only reason why this was created. Aardwolf68 (talk) 07:16, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

leading to the firing of a Bears coach midseason for the first time – It's certainly not the only reason for the firing, but it is an obvious contributing factor. Let's not act like this was the only reason it was.
Getting the Lions to their best start in franchise history – This took a number of games to accomplish, this game is not special in that regard, and, simply based on team strengths of schedules and records, this game was not expected to go any other way than a Lions win by most pundits.
...as well as one of the most baffling endings to a game ever... — That's certainly subjective. I'd counter by saying it's not even top 10 for the wild and wacky things that have happened to the Lions.
I don't think that recency is the only reason why this was created. – The game will only ever really be mentioned in the context of Matt Eberflus, it'd be fairly unexpected to have long term coverage.

To be honest, the rational provided feels more like WP:ILIKEIT than anything. Hey man im josh (talk) 13:14, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep: While clock management situations, and disastrous ones at that, are common place in the NFL, theres none quite like this one. 26 seconds to get a play off or call a timeout and they do neither until theres 5 seconds left, in which that is the final play of the game. Add on to that the first mid-season head coach firing in the 105 year history of the Bears and the best start in the Detroit Lions 95 year history makes for a pretty historic game. The Butt Fumble was notoriously memed and ridiculed into oblivion so much that the Wikipedia page for said play still exists, so if you take down this game, the butt fumble would deserve to be taken off this site as well. Not to mention the fact that Chicago also faced off in 2 brutal games against divison rivals Green Bay and Minnesota previous to this game, so the Bears were already known for stuff like this, but this was just absolutely mind boggling and set a precedent on how low it could go. The game was also broadcast on CBS to a nationally televised audience, with all time quotes from Nantz and Romo. With all that being said, theres no way that this play would soon be forgot like other mismanaged clock situations and i believe that this page should be kept IBeFlyin (talk) 09:11, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It was deemed a miscommunication by both the QB and the coach for what it's worth, and those are fairly common, especially by inexperienced coaches and rookie quarterbacks. I don't think the standing of Detroit as a team is particularly relevant, or who Chicago played directly before the game. Hey man im josh (talk) 13:24, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

If this game gets memed and ridiculed over time the way the butt fumble has, then there would be a good case for creating a page about this game at that time. But for now that is WP:CRYSTAL. Rlendog (talk) 15:54, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete or redirect to Bears–Lions rivalry, where a special mention as a notable game can be included. As the nomination noted, there is nothing especially unique about this game. 2024 Chicago Bears season is a much better place to discuss the impact of various games over the season, while Bears–Lions rivalry is a good place to speak directly to this game and what happened. WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS arguments related to the Butt Fumble don't hold water, for obvious reasons, but also because, as the nominator noted, poor clock management and miscommunication happens all the time in the NFL. The Butt Fumble was a singularly unique play with few, if any, appropriate comparisons. Although WP:RECENT makes this difficult to judge right now, it is important to put this game in the context of what is being claimed that makes it notable. Eberflus was historically a bad coach who was likely getting fired at the end of the season either way. Although bad, this game was the straw that broke the camel's back, not the only reason for his firing. The fact that the Bears haven't fired a coach mid-season is more of a flukely TV factoid that doesn't really mean much is the grand scheme of things. And lastly, in the grand scheme of crazy endings, this was definitely absurd clock management, but otherwise was a fairly routine end to the game. « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 14:14, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete and do not redirect. Non-notable regular season game. Teams miscommunicate and run out of time at the end of games multiple times a season. Likewise, midseason coaching changes are common. I doubt "2024 Chicago Bears–Detroit Lions Thanksgiving game" or anything similar would be a reasonable search term so a WP:COSTLY redirect serves no purpose. Some content can be moved to Eberflus' article or the Bears' current season article. Frank Anchor 14:57, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep This game had a historic outcome and while it’s likely Eberfleus is fired anyway, it’s not in a historical way. It was being reported as far as Laredo and San Francisco. Coaching malpractice has earned articles before- look at 2023 Georgia Tech vs. Miami football game. It was called “the worst clock management in history” by some. Absolutely historic.--38.122.245.52 (talk) 00:00, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
And if we merge it to either Matt Eberflus or Bears-Lions rivalry or 2024 Chicago Bears season meaningful information would need to be cut out due to size concerns. Not to mention the Eberflus article is protected until late December. 38.122.245.52 (talk) 00:01, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep It’s both a historic game for the Lions (being their first Thanksgiving win in 7 years), but also a historic game for the Bears as well (for obvious reasons) and given how coaching mishaps of this magnitude are so rare, along with how widely talked about this game (and the near-unanimous calls for the firing of Eberflus after said game) about the game is, I don’t see how you can delete it at this point, though I do understand the arguments for deletion.

KDoppenheimer (talk) 01:09, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep This was a historic game for both teams. For the Lions, this gave them their best ever start to a season, not to mention their first Thanksgiving win in 7 years. As for the Bears, this caused Matt Eberflus to become the first Head Coach in Bears History to be fired mid season. I see no reason we should delete this. Carson004 (talk) 01:59, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Not to mention I do not see anywhere in that article that would meet deletion criteria for any WP essays, like WP:G12 for example. This never broke any copyright rules Carson004 (talk) 02:04, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: I agree that if this WERE to become noteworthy and talked about like the Buttfumble in the future, then this article can be recreated and should stand. As it stands, however, this definitely feels completely reactionary. Definitely can be mentioned on the Eberflus page, but that's as far as it goes imo. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.189.135.55 (talk) 03:04, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Otago Gold Rush (basketball)

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Fails WP:GNG and WP:NORG DaHuzyBru (talk) 05:06, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. Alexeyevitch^(talk) 08:16, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep The article is alot of work but the team has ample coverage about it as one of the top women's basketball teams in New Zealand.National Womens Basketball Championships Finals Tip Off Thursday, Long build-up finally over for Gold Rush, Basketball: Otago crowned WBC champions — Preceding unsigned comment added by Alvaldi (talk • contribs) 09:59, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The team played in the Women's Basketball Championship – a fairly unremarkable New Zealand domestic competition with no wiki page. Are you willing to demonstrate this team's notability by expanding the article? A general google search of "otago gold rush basketball" doesn't yield many results. That first article you linked for example is a copy and paste from Basketball New Zealand. The page is also a borderline Orphan. DaHuzyBru (talk) 10:36, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Sky Sport Uno

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Reviewed during NPP. No evidence of wp:notability under GNG or SNG. Not only are there no GNG sources, it really doesn't any sources. One is their own website and the others are some type of listing. (It's not broadcast television channel.) Tagged by others for sourcing issues since march North8000 (talk) 21:36, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to Sky Italia.4meter4 (talk) 02:08, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to Sky Sport (Italy)#Sky Sport Uno Actual article content here is nonsense from a globally-locked account which reads like Google Translate polling ChatGPT for some reason; this is a real channel, but now part of a suite. Nate • (chatter) 00:50, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sky Sport Arena

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Reviewed during NPP. No evidence of wp:notability under GNG or SNG. Not only are there no GNG sources, it really doesn't any sources. One is their own website and the other are some type of listing. It's not a television stattion. It appears that it is some type of content which is available for streaming. North8000 (talk) 21:03, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to Sky Sport (Italy)#Sky Sport Arena It's a basic overflow channel and nothing more. Nate • (chatter) 00:34, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect as above Classic case of a big bouquet of channels that only deserve mention in their parent outlet's page. There's a whole footnote of WP:NCBC for this exact kind of deletion discussion. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 02:27, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Solomon Islands at the 2024 World Aquatics Championships

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Reviewed during NPP. No evidence of notability under GNG or SNG. Basically the whole article is to say that they entered one person in that event and they lost. No GNG sources, just one database type source for that factoid. North8000 (talk) 18:42, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. This type of article/list has very little potential for growrth, and is at best appropriate for an overview along the lines of Solomon Islands at the World Aquatics Championships. It doesn't exist, so a merge isn't possible at the time. Geschichte (talk) 20:32, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Move to Solomon Islands at the World Aquatics Championships and repurpose/expand the article under that broader topic per WP:ATD.4meter4 (talk) 12:34, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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2023 Georgia Tech vs. Miami football game

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Clearly a case of WP:NOTNEWS. Certainly was a bad decision that cost Miami the game, and it got coverage afterwards, but no sustained coverage deserving of an article. Esolo5002 (talk) 00:07, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete This is a example of how people massively overdo things here, thinking that because other articles have a particular format, any other article must be fleshed out to fill that. None of the background is relevant. None of the game summary is relevant. None of the aftermath is relevant. There was a bad decision at the end of the game that got attention, but the idea this needs a whole article is absurd. They lost a winnable regular season game, big whoop. Reywas92^Talk 03:41, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

2024 Northern Illinois vs. Notre Dame football game

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No true sustained coverage. Upsets are common in College Football, though this was a significant one at the time. Esolo5002 (talk) 00:10, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete We don't need a whole article every time there's an unexpected result. Most of this is fluff, and anything meaningful can be covered in the main season article. Reywas92^Talk 03:43, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

2024 Chicago Bears–Detroit Lions Thanksgiving game

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I'm a die hard Lions fan and that's a big part of my editing, but this game isn't particular special or deserving of a standalone article. The only "remarkable" part about it was a mishap regarding taking a timeout at the end, which is a mishap that happens several times a season. Does not warrant a standalone article and should be deleted.

I obviously understand there was bad clock management, there's no doubt about that, but this is barely more than what routinely happens every single season several times. Games are always cost this way, by miscommunications. There's always going to be sensationalized reporting that happens immediately after a game, that's frankly expected. Hey man im josh (talk) 21:17, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete Not notable, calling this an "infamous NFL game" is absurd. E_F⁵ 21:25, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Alternatively, I suppose this could be redirected to Bears–Lions rivalry. Hey man im josh (talk) 21:55, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I do not want this page to be deleted. I want it to stay. 2601:40A:8400:1820:5D10:B5A6:B02:CF3D (talk) 22:34, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Not a notable enough game. Definite recency bias in this articles creation. This is not one of those games that will be mentioned as an all-timer. The Hail Mary game versus the Commanders, sure, but not this. Maybe it deserves a special mention in the Bears' and Lions' season pages, but nothing more than that. Eg224 (talk) 00:07, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I would rather keep this page. 2601:40A:8400:1820:5D10:B5A6:B02:CF3D (talk) 02:08, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete, with maybe some selective merging to Matt Eberflus#Chicago Bears. Clearly a case of recentism. Esolo5002 (talk) 02:40, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: Historic in numerous ways, leading to the firing of a Bears coach midseason for the first time, getting the Lions to their best start in franchise history, as well as one of the most baffling endings to a game ever, even after a comeback by the Bears. I don't think that recency is the only reason why this was created. Aardwolf68 (talk) 07:16, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

leading to the firing of a Bears coach midseason for the first time – It's certainly not the only reason for the firing, but it is an obvious contributing factor. Let's not act like this was the only reason it was.
Getting the Lions to their best start in franchise history – This took a number of games to accomplish, this game is not special in that regard, and, simply based on team strengths of schedules and records, this game was not expected to go any other way than a Lions win by most pundits.
...as well as one of the most baffling endings to a game ever... — That's certainly subjective. I'd counter by saying it's not even top 10 for the wild and wacky things that have happened to the Lions.
I don't think that recency is the only reason why this was created. – The game will only ever really be mentioned in the context of Matt Eberflus, it'd be fairly unexpected to have long term coverage.

To be honest, the rational provided feels more like WP:ILIKEIT than anything. Hey man im josh (talk) 13:14, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep: While clock management situations, and disastrous ones at that, are common place in the NFL, theres none quite like this one. 26 seconds to get a play off or call a timeout and they do neither until theres 5 seconds left, in which that is the final play of the game. Add on to that the first mid-season head coach firing in the 105 year history of the Bears and the best start in the Detroit Lions 95 year history makes for a pretty historic game. The Butt Fumble was notoriously memed and ridiculed into oblivion so much that the Wikipedia page for said play still exists, so if you take down this game, the butt fumble would deserve to be taken off this site as well. Not to mention the fact that Chicago also faced off in 2 brutal games against divison rivals Green Bay and Minnesota previous to this game, so the Bears were already known for stuff like this, but this was just absolutely mind boggling and set a precedent on how low it could go. The game was also broadcast on CBS to a nationally televised audience, with all time quotes from Nantz and Romo. With all that being said, theres no way that this play would soon be forgot like other mismanaged clock situations and i believe that this page should be kept IBeFlyin (talk) 09:11, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It was deemed a miscommunication by both the QB and the coach for what it's worth, and those are fairly common, especially by inexperienced coaches and rookie quarterbacks. I don't think the standing of Detroit as a team is particularly relevant, or who Chicago played directly before the game. Hey man im josh (talk) 13:24, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

If this game gets memed and ridiculed over time the way the butt fumble has, then there would be a good case for creating a page about this game at that time. But for now that is WP:CRYSTAL. Rlendog (talk) 15:54, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete or redirect to Bears–Lions rivalry, where a special mention as a notable game can be included. As the nomination noted, there is nothing especially unique about this game. 2024 Chicago Bears season is a much better place to discuss the impact of various games over the season, while Bears–Lions rivalry is a good place to speak directly to this game and what happened. WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS arguments related to the Butt Fumble don't hold water, for obvious reasons, but also because, as the nominator noted, poor clock management and miscommunication happens all the time in the NFL. The Butt Fumble was a singularly unique play with few, if any, appropriate comparisons. Although WP:RECENT makes this difficult to judge right now, it is important to put this game in the context of what is being claimed that makes it notable. Eberflus was historically a bad coach who was likely getting fired at the end of the season either way. Although bad, this game was the straw that broke the camel's back, not the only reason for his firing. The fact that the Bears haven't fired a coach mid-season is more of a flukely TV factoid that doesn't really mean much is the grand scheme of things. And lastly, in the grand scheme of crazy endings, this was definitely absurd clock management, but otherwise was a fairly routine end to the game. « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 14:14, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete and do not redirect. Non-notable regular season game. Teams miscommunicate and run out of time at the end of games multiple times a season. Likewise, midseason coaching changes are common. I doubt "2024 Chicago Bears–Detroit Lions Thanksgiving game" or anything similar would be a reasonable search term so a WP:COSTLY redirect serves no purpose. Some content can be moved to Eberflus' article or the Bears' current season article. Frank Anchor 14:57, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep This game had a historic outcome and while it’s likely Eberfleus is fired anyway, it’s not in a historical way. It was being reported as far as Laredo and San Francisco. Coaching malpractice has earned articles before- look at 2023 Georgia Tech vs. Miami football game. It was called “the worst clock management in history” by some. Absolutely historic.--38.122.245.52 (talk) 00:00, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
And if we merge it to either Matt Eberflus or Bears-Lions rivalry or 2024 Chicago Bears season meaningful information would need to be cut out due to size concerns. Not to mention the Eberflus article is protected until late December. 38.122.245.52 (talk) 00:01, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep It’s both a historic game for the Lions (being their first Thanksgiving win in 7 years), but also a historic game for the Bears as well (for obvious reasons) and given how coaching mishaps of this magnitude are so rare, along with how widely talked about this game (and the near-unanimous calls for the firing of Eberflus after said game) about the game is, I don’t see how you can delete it at this point, though I do understand the arguments for deletion.

KDoppenheimer (talk) 01:09, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep This was a historic game for both teams. For the Lions, this gave them their best ever start to a season, not to mention their first Thanksgiving win in 7 years. As for the Bears, this caused Matt Eberflus to become the first Head Coach in Bears History to be fired mid season. I see no reason we should delete this. Carson004 (talk) 01:59, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Not to mention I do not see anywhere in that article that would meet deletion criteria for any WP essays, like WP:G12 for example. This never broke any copyright rules Carson004 (talk) 02:04, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: I agree that if this WERE to become noteworthy and talked about like the Buttfumble in the future, then this article can be recreated and should stand. As it stands, however, this definitely feels completely reactionary. Definitely can be mentioned on the Eberflus page, but that's as far as it goes imo. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.189.135.55 (talk) 03:04, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Games in relief

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Wikipedia is not a dictionary -- this appears to be a term for a kind of game, with very limited encyclopedic possibilities. The citations added to the article on Hoyt Wilhelm have been added to his article, where his record was noted by not cited. The only other information is the definition of a game in relief, which has been merged to Relief pitcher, tagged with citation needed. Mrfoogles (talk) 04:05, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Merge to Glossary of baseball terms per WP:ATD. There is an entry on the term in this baseball encyclopedia where it is treated like it would be in a glossary.4meter4 (talk) 06:12, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Redirect but to Baseball statistics#Pitching statistics, there's nothing to merge. Rgrds. --BX (talk) 04:31, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
This has my support as nom -- seems like a specialized sub-article and therefore probably a more appropriate place. There would be a risk of someone re-creating the article based on trying to get all the statistics, but the deletion would probably ward them off from that. Mrfoogles (talk) 06:57, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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List of NBA rookie single-season rebounding leaders

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Appears to fail WP:NLIST; unable to find any independent secondary reliable sources discussing this list topic as a group or set in a WP:BEFORE search. It's possible this is tracked in stats databases, but such sources alone are insufficient in affirming wiki-notability. Left guide (talk) 05:14, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per failing WP:NLIST. There are individual sources that show the top three, but this list is the top 20 and I've not seen any to justify top 20, top 10, or even top 5. Conyo14 (talk) 05:36, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete fails WP:NLIST.4meter4 (talk) 06:09, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Basketball at the 1997 Summer Universiade

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Fails WP:GNG. Ahri Boy (talk) 05:30, 29 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Otago Gold Rush (basketball)

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Fails WP:GNG and WP:NORG DaHuzyBru (talk) 05:06, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. Alexeyevitch^(talk) 08:16, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep The article is alot of work but the team has ample coverage about it as one of the top women's basketball teams in New Zealand.National Womens Basketball Championships Finals Tip Off Thursday, Long build-up finally over for Gold Rush, Basketball: Otago crowned WBC champions — Preceding unsigned comment added by Alvaldi (talk • contribs) 09:59, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The team played in the Women's Basketball Championship – a fairly unremarkable New Zealand domestic competition with no wiki page. Are you willing to demonstrate this team's notability by expanding the article? A general google search of "otago gold rush basketball" doesn't yield many results. That first article you linked for example is a copy and paste from Basketball New Zealand. The page is also a borderline Orphan. DaHuzyBru (talk) 10:36, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Judas Prada

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Stub about a basketball coach. I took a crack at looking for material but came up short. Best I could add is that he did one year as an assistant coach in the NBA. I could flesh it out with more lower level teams he was associated with, but I found nothing but database entries and mentions in passing of his short stints at colleges and a Chinese team, so it does nto seem worth it. No in depth sources about him, so no evidence he passes WP:SPORTBASIC. No evidence he ever played in NBA so fails WP:NBASKETBALL. Don't see this meeting WP:NBIO Meters (talk) 23:36, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Forgot to mention that there was an unsourced (and undone) edit last year that claimed that as of 2023 he was a middle school basketball coach [1]. Meters (talk) 23:39, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment. I am getting some hits in google books. I think it highly probable that there may be coverage in newspaper archives. Anyone able to check newspapers.com?4meter4 (talk) 00:40, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- I'm happy to withdraw this if suitable coverage is found, but I didn't find any in depth coverage. Appears to be a run-of-the-mill coach with short stints at various colleges, and who peaked with one year as an assistant in the NBA. Meters (talk) 00:23, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete. Not notable. No significant coverage. Vedicant (talk) 20:59, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Rajat Dalal

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Participating in a reality show alone does not make someone notable for inclusion on Wikipedia. If this were the case, countless individuals in India could potentially have articles created every day. This situation clearly falls under WP:BIO1E. At present, I do not believe the subject meets the criteria of WP:GNG. Additionally, WP:TOOSOON also applies in this case. The claim of “winning several medals for India” is vague and unexplained without any source. Zuck28 (talk) 09:42, 29 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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He has won numerous medals, and there are plenty of sources for this information. You should strive to keep your eyes open so that the Wikipedia article isn't removed needlessly.

Please take another look at the source that is related to the prose content provided at wikipedia page. Super Dud (talk) 02:39, 30 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Super Dud, Kindly elaborate about those “numerous medals”. Name the medals, competitions, organisers, opponents, platforms, team he represented, dates and venues of the matches?

These plenty of the sources doesn’t verify the claim, merely it mentions that “the subject claims to have certain number of medals”. Without any specific details about these medals.

Secondly, I would suggest you yo use professional language and avoid personal attacks, otherwise you can attract a block.

Even after taking multiple looks at the page, it is not clear how you think the subject passes the Wp: Notability criteria of Wikipedia.

Zuck28 (talk) 07:05, 30 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Please don't see my brief attempt to convey the main idea as an insult, leave the rest of the work to the administrators.

I have personally attached a summary of how many medals were won by the subject and in which event as a citation on the said subject page.

Now clear your confusion by reading that information carefully.

Thanks, happy editing. Super Dud (talk) 11:22, 30 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete agree with the points put by nominator.-Adamantine123 (talk) 11:41, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Keikan Ri

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Redirect to Boxing at the 1936 Summer Olympics – Welterweight - no significant coverage in any sources apart from listings type sites, and the corresponding jawiki is similarly unsourced. Subject finished 17th in class in the 1936 Olympics. I therefore submit that the article does not meet WP:NSPORT in its own right, but a redirect to the competition page is appropriate. SunloungerFrog (talk) 15:28, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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2023 European Cricket League

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This article is about an amateur cricket competition which fails to meet notability or significant coverage criteria. It is almost totally unsourced and the two references there are both pre-date the event taking place therefore meaning none of the bulk of the information contained in the article, including all the results and statistics, are sourced. An article for the 2024 edition was merged into the page European Cricket League and I propose this as a possible alternative to deletion. Shrug02 (talk) 16:46, 29 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Jordan Bulpitt

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No evidence of notability for this English cricketer. Fails WP:GNG and WP:SPORTCRIT. Possible redirect targets include List of Cambridge UCCE & MCCU players and List of Warwickshire County Cricket Club players, though the latter has not been updated with his name yet. JTtheOG (talk) 21:16, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Major Clubs T20 Tournament

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Domestic cricket tournament with no coverage on independent reliable sources; Fails WP:GNG. Vestrian24Bio (TALK) 14:43, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Seasons of this tournament also. Vestrian24Bio (TALK) 15:17, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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- Delete as per nom.
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Matt Nance

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I am unable to find anything approaching WP:SIGCOV for this American soccer player. Fails WP:GNG. JTtheOG (talk) 02:32, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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George Silva

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Delete - I could not find decent sources with significant coverage of the subject. Nothing that added flesh to the bones of various listings and stats sites. I therefore submit that the subject does not meet WP:NSPORTS, and I note that the article has been unsourced and out-of-date for some time. It is possible that better sources exist in Portuguese that I haven't found, in which case I would be happy to withdraw my nomination. SunloungerFrog (talk) 20:24, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 21:13, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Luis Torres (footballer, born 1992)

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A very brief career with no significant coverage per WP:SPORTBASIC. All I can find are trivial mentions like this and this. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 19:51, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete, 2,000 light years away from meeting the notability criteria. Geschichte (talk) 20:13, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 21:12, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Félix Rodríguez (Mexican footballer)

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Had a brief career in the second tier of Mexico but searches yield nothing that could even come close to counting towards WP:SPORTBASIC. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 19:46, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete, having a blast going through all the non-notable Mexican players. You forgot to mention that the article creator is blocked indefinitely, having disrupted Wikipedia. Geschichte (talk) 20:16, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I can't imagine how many more of these stubs we'd have to deal with if they were not blocked when they were. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 20:17, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 21:12, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Jonh González

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Played 44 mins of professional football but no other claim to notability. All I can find is trivial stuff like El Orbe. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 19:41, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete, when I come around to assessing the sources he is far from meeting the notability criteria. Geschichte (talk) 20:13, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 21:11, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Vincenzo Patrick Guglielmelli

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Delete - I could find no significant coverage whatsoever in any source, reliable or otherwise. Plenty of listings and stats sites, all of which are fairly scanty. Career highlight seems to have been one season at Ascoli when they were a Serie A club, during which the subject did not appear to have played any matches. I therefore submit that WP:NSPORT is not met, and note that the article has been practically unsourced since its inception. SunloungerFrog (talk) 15:16, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete – Player with participation only in the Italian Serie C2, and without sources that establish WP:SIGCOV. Svartner (talk) 15:32, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete. Search engine results pull up listings without significant coverage and (weirdly enough) a pronunciation video. TWOrantula^TM (enter the web) 01:00, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Alabama Spirit

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Redirect to List of National Premier Soccer League teams as I am unable to find anything approaching WP:SIGCOV. JTtheOG (talk) 03:04, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect as above. Giant Snowman 15:05, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect as above. Svartner (talk) 16:08, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

San Diego Pumitas

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I am having trouble finding anything approaching WP:SIGCOV for this short-lived American soccer team. All that I found were mentions in game recaps (1, 2, etc.). Possible redirect targets include National Premier Soccer League and List of National Premier Soccer League teams. JTtheOG (talk) 23:52, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to List of National Premier Soccer League teams – As WP:ATD. Svartner (talk) 02:24, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Redirect as above. Giant Snowman 15:05, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

List of Saint Louis Athletica players

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Subject does not appear to meet the WP:NLIST as there is a lack of third party coverage of the grouping. PROD was removed so bringing this to AfD. Let'srun (talk) 21:54, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete – Almost no notability, and a category does the job better. Svartner (talk) 02:23, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - 'List of X players' can be notable, but not for this club. Giant Snowman 15:04, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Teppei Uesugi

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The claim to notability, playing 16 football games (and probabaly not full games) in Singapore is weak. The sources are not enough to rectify that, and as such he fails WP:SPORTCRIT and WP:GNG. Sources in Japanese Wikipedia are either primary or not in-depth. Geschichte (talk) 21:51, 30 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 19:10, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 16:09, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Shingo Shibata

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The claim to notability, playing 16 football games (and probabaly not full games) is weak. The sources are not enough to rectify that, and as such he fails WP:SPORTCRIT and WP:GNG. Sources in Japanese Wikipedia are either trivial/primary or do not work. Geschichte (talk) 21:49, 30 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete – The only source provided is a dead link to statistics. ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 15:52, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 19:10, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 23:59, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Alejandro Muñóz

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No indication of meeting WP:SPORTCRIT or WP:GNG. Played 731 minutes in Mexico's second league. Creator is blocked indefinitely. Geschichte (talk) 18:41, 30 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. Player is not notable and a search yields no reliable sources supporting his notability. Madeleine961 (talk) 19:57, 30 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 19:09, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Pavol Zemanovič

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His professional career only lasted three minutes and he has disappeared for over one decade. The only secondary source I found is a passing mention on SME. ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 10:09, 29 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 12:55, 29 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Speedy delete, no credible claim to notability worth discussing. Geschichte (talk) 18:33, 29 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: Doesn't appear to be notable, subject fails WP:NSPORTS and WP:NBIO. - Ratnahastin (talk) 01:20, 30 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 11:34, 30 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Daniel Jara

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Failure of WP:SPORTCRIT and WP:GNG. Only played 706 minutes in Peru as well as the Chilean second division. Kept before due to a guideline that no longer exists. A WP:BEFORE only yielded this piece from before he went to Peru, and this quote-heavy piece – in addition to databases and passing mentions. Creator is blocked indefinitely. Geschichte (talk) 18:21, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: not notable, couldn't find any other sources that would make the player pass GNG Noah ^💬 18:38, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 21:42, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 17:50, 29 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Piotr Bartkowiak

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The article of this Polish men's footballer has been tagged for notability issues for more 15 years. He only played four matches with Lech Poznań in Extraklarsa, before moving to lower clubs then disappeared for over two decades. I can't find anything other than database sources and a lot of results show the unrelated assistant coach Karol Bartkowiak. ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 14:42, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment - if you want the article cleaned up or looked at, then sending it to AfD is not the right way to go about it. Doubtless, nineteen years on people will be able to find better sources than me. I remember translating several footballers' articles from foreign-language Wikipedias back in the day and if it seems so long since I worked on Polish footballers. The article was deleted on pl.wiki around three weeks after I submitted it to en.wiki on whatever the equivalent is on Poland's AfD. Bobo . 15:36, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 17:50, 29 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. I could not find any sources. Plwiki tends to require less for notability, so this person is unlikely to be notable on enwiki too. NicolausPrime (talk) 16:53, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Looks like a delete due to the lack of playing time at the higher level, and sources. Geschichte (talk) 14:34, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

2009–10 FC Nistru season

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stub not currently fit for mainspace and no evidence of notability Microwave Anarchist (talk) 03:11, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. Article on the beginnings of the project. Svartner (talk) 09:08, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment All the other teams have pages of similar quality. See the navbox Geschichte (talk) 14:11, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Geschichte: - I am well aware, listing this individually because I have been told not to bundle nominations for different clubs' seasons. I will likely list those too if there is consensus to delete. Microwave Anarchist (talk) 02:59, 29 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That's a good idea. 98% of bundled nominations go awry. If this page goes down, maybe similar ones can be prodded Geschichte (talk) 09:28, 29 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 19:46, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
We could potentially have an article on this, but it needs to be properly sourced for mainspace to demonstrate notability, and this is currently unsourced. SportingFlyer T·C 07:41, 30 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sky Sport Serie A

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Reviewed during NPP. No evidence of wp:notability under GNG or SNG. Zero references other than their own website. North8000 (talk) 20:29, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 21:32, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - I can't even verify that this was ever a TV Channel. The 'source' provided is just the Serie A section of the Sky website. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 22:14, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Sky Italia#Sky Sport and Sky Calcio – Is also a valid WP:ATD. Svartner (talk) 09:11, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect and marge but to Sky Sport (Italy), sorry Svartner but I feel my suggestion would be a better redirect target. @GiantSnowman: redirect?? Cheap?? Govvy (talk) 10:16, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Reply Spiderone It was rebranded to Sky sport calcio, regards, Govvy (talk) 10:20, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

No problem, I'm not opposed to redirecting to your suggestion. Svartner (talk) 17:29, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, happy with a redirect! Giant Snowman 19:01, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect per Govvy Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 18:36, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Sky Sport (Italy)#Sky Sport Calcio Actual article content here is nonsense from a globally-locked account which reads like Google Translate polling ChatGPT for some reason (unlike the infobox saying this is a UK-based channel, it's Italian); this is a real channel, but it mainly only carries soccer-related content. Nate • (chatter) 01:35, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Cherdsak Chaiyabutr

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reviewed during NPP. No evidence of wp:notability under GNG or SNG. Of the 4 references, the first is a youtube video,, the 2nd and 3rd just includ a single mention of his name in a list. I can't find anything at the 4th references although the title looks like an entry in a 1977 newspaper that says that their team won. Tagged by others for wp:notability sinces September. North8000 (talk) 22:14, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment: The Youtube video in question is a nationally televised TV programme dedicated to profiling renowned sportspeople from the past. --Paul_012 (talk) 10:27, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 20:34, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Weak keep I'm not good at finding Thai sources but from quick glances, apparently, he's now vice president of the Football Association of Thailand as of July 2024 according to this and this which could demonstrate some notability. I could also find a sports program dedicated to him here and had some brief success as a youth coach in 2009. He's also repeatedly mentioned in notable Thai footballers of the 1970s such as this and this, He also participated in the 1976 King's Cup according to this site. SuperSkaterDude45 (discusión) 04:05, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- He's a member of the board, but not the vice president. --Paul_012 (talk) 21:12, 30 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete – References to social media are unreliable per WP:NOTSOCIALNETWORK and WP:SELFPUB, thus should never be used on articles. They also don't demonstrate notability. ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 13:32, 30 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- What are you referring to by "References to social media"? --Paul_012 (talk) 20:24, 30 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  YouTube reference on the article. ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 15:53, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  Youtube is a video-hosting platform. While it has social media features and features user-generated content, none of that is relevant to the video, which, as the citation already clearly notes, and I pointed out again above, is a TV production. --Paul_012 (talk) 20:19, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: Has a significant career from the pre-digital era, so offline sources likely exist. For example, the TV programme that interviewed him shows a 1989 magazine cover featuring him at the 36 second mark, as well as several magazine spreads, which were likely accompanied by in-depth profile pieces. The daily sports tabloid Star Soccer recently featured a profile of him in its 4 August 2024 issue. Apart from that and the Nation TV programme, most search results are brief mentions, including him becoming advisor for Saraburi United F.C.[2] and heading a youth football programme in Khon Kaen, [3], in addition to those noted above by SuperSkaterDude45. --Paul_012 (talk) 21:12, 30 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. In additional to the in-depth coverage by Nation TV and Star Soccer mentioned above, I'm convinced that additional older sources are also very likely to exist. --Paul_012 (talk) 20:21, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - @Giantsnowman:, Per above. Clearly was significant fihgure in Thai football with offline sources. Thanks, Das osmnezz (talk) 19:40, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Bruno Bogojević

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Reviewed during NPP. No evidence of wp:notability under GNG or SNG. Not only no GNG references, has no references other than 4 database listings. North8000 (talk) 22:02, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Draftify – WP:TOOSOON. Svartner (talk) 23:00, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Well, it was fairly trivial to find some mainstream Croatian sports coverage like the Večernji list report on when he signed to Rijeka [4] or some of the Sportske novosti articles tagged with his name [5], and these newspapers talk of an experienced player. If we drop this biography where over a hundred appearances are recorded at the top level of a national football league over a period of many years, we would in turn have to drop probably many many more. --Joy (talk) 00:52, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Keep per Joy, good WP:COMMONSENSE arguments. Giant Snowman 20:35, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Incredibly easy search to do in Croatian as he is an established HNL player. [6] [7] [8] [9] and on HRT national channel [10]. Needs improvement, not deletion. SportingFlyer T·C 07:38, 30 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - @Svartner:, Per above. Clearly significant player in pro Croatian top flight with lots of soucrs. Article needs improvement, not deletion. Thanks, Das osmnezz (talk) 21:10, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Nobody is talking about GNG type coverage which is the requirement. North8000 (talk) 21:45, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
This is flagrantly untrue. I've provided several sources which are all common coverage in Croatian sources, and he's been at least mentioned 42 times in articles put out by the national Croatian broadcaster. SportingFlyer T·C 22:17, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Chand FC Layyah

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Reviewed during NPP. No evidence of wp:notability under GNG or SNG. All 6 of the references are just databases All of the content is derived from database factoids. Says the last played 11 years ago but never even says what happened to them. North8000 (talk) 21:47, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to List of football clubs in Pakistan – As WP:ATD. Svartner (talk) 22:59, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Redirect to List of football clubs in Pakistan: Lack of WP:SIGCOV, can be redirected to List of football clubs in Pakistan Demt1298 (talk) 14:13, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: Fails WP:NSPORT along with GNG. Wikibear47 (talk) 15:30, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Redirect as above. Giant Snowman 20:35, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Mardan Blue Star FC

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Reviewed during NPP. No evidence of wp:notability under GNG or SNG. Oof the seven reference, 4 are databases, 2 don't even mention them and one has a paragraph w3hich says they were going to the finals one year. All of the content is derived from database factoids. Say the last played 10 years ago but never eves says what happened to them. North8000 (talk) 21:44, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to List of football clubs in Pakistan – As WP:ATD. Svartner (talk) 22:59, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Redirect to List of football clubs in Pakistan: Lack of WP:SIGCOV Demt1298 (talk) 14:14, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: Lacks reliable secondary sources. Wikibear47 (talk) 15:29, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Redirect as above. Giant Snowman 20:34, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Carlos Utrilla

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Absence of sources discussing the individual in detail. As a footballer it appears he played a single league match in 2016. This is far below the threshold for establishing notability. C 679 07:29, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete, nowhere close to notable. Geschichte (talk) 20:11, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 20:38, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Brayan Velásquez

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There is nothing notable about playing 28 football games in the league of Honduras, and youth world cups do not grant notability either. This would need several good WP:SIGCOV pieces to even be considered as passing the notability bar. Geschichte (talk) 16:44, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. Passes WP:SPORTSBASIC. Here are a few examples from the just the first couple pages in google news: [11], [12], [13], [14], [15], [16], [17], [18] There are more...4meter4 (talk) 17:22, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Keep per sources above which show notability. Giant Snowman 09:46, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete The above sources are transfer stories/match reports/interviews which are routine coverage and do not pass GNG. Dougal18 (talk) 10:32, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
If the match report on news media only focuses on a specific footballer and describes them in significant detail independently (that said, tiny piece of or without direct speech), would it still count towards GNG? I also was told that interview sources with big independent analysis would make the article pass GNG. ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 11:16, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep - Per above. Clearly was significant figure in Hpnduran football with many sources. Article needs improvement, not deletion. Thanks, Das osmnezz (talk) 21:15, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ryuolivier Iwamoto

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Creator is globally locked. Not remotely indicating that WP:GNG and WP:SPORTCRIT is met. Never played on a notable level. 0 J League games, 0 cup games. Played some school matches before retiring; why he retired is described by himself in the Nikkan Sports source in the Japanese Wikipedia. Bunshun described him starting to work in a bank, but he does not meet business bio inclusion criteria. Geschichte (talk) 14:32, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 17:42, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep: I don't really see how WP:GNG is not satisfied when there are multiple articles with significantly more than WP:ROUTINE mentions in Nov. 2014, Dec. 2014, Jan. 2015 and in Apr. 2022. Unless these sources fail WP:RS, the fact that there is interest in knowing more about this player who had a very unremarkable career seven/eight years on from the notable event of when he was signed out of high school is IMO a notable indication of potential notability. Most players that retire before they turn 27 with (apparently) 0 games in the top two divisions don't get anything more than a one-liner as part of a broader list of retirees or a courtesy post on the club's website, so that he had a lengthy article & interview is what stands out most to me. Probably someone who speaks Japanese could locate better sources, as I imagine there is a reason why this player's retirement received this level of attention. Shazback (talk) 21:05, 29 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

List of Serie A broadcasters

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Notability of this topic has not changed since the last AFD 6-7 months ago. It still falls foul of WP:NOTTVGUIDE, and doesn't meet WP:LISTN or WP:GNG. I would support WP:SALTing this to prevent another re-creation. Joseph2302 (talk) 11:54, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete as per nom. Not deemed to have standalone notability here (straight lift from itwiki which can set their own inclusion standards) and already deleted recently only to re-appear due to the page title being 'freed'. Crowsus (talk) 12:55, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment I think it's important to note that it's not a direct recreation. There was a request for speedy deletion which was denied by Asilvering saying decline WP:G4, text greatly expanded from deleted version, no longer just a list, would need new discussion. Therefore the recreation isn't due to the page title being 'freed', but rather the creator would seem to think the expansion is enough for it to be notable enough to stand currently (also see what Claudio Fernag wrote on the talk page: This page should not be speedily deleted because the article is no substantially identical to the deleted version. The article is no longer just a list of broadcasters like when it was deleted, a context has been added that gives it notability, and verifiable and reliable sources were also included. The same happened with the article List of La Liga broadcasters, which at first was just a table with a list of broadcasters. It was nominated for deletion, more information was added to give it more notability and it was finally kept). --SuperJew (talk) 13:36, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  Fair enough, but to be fair I couldn't see the original version for comparison. Crowsus (talk) 07:25, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete and SALT I also agree with nomination, I feel this is not the right type of material we should be having on wikipedia. Govvy (talk) 17:08, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: but rename to "Serie A in media", "Serie A broadcasting", "Serie A on television" or similar, not opposed to Draftify until quality concerns are met. Strongly opposed to salting. The article is not in a great state and is clearly based on / inspired by the it:wiki article which is IMO in need of some editing to trim it down. Nonetheless, the notability is clearly there, and this should be the "expansion/detailed article" corresponding to the TV rights section of the Serie A article. There is repeated coverage of TV rights negotiations, impacts on viewers and commentary on current status of TV rights in the main Italian newspapers of record (e.g., 1, 2, 3, 4, 5...). There is more specialized work to analyze the landscape in niche publications / sources (which should naturally be reviewed to ensure they pass RS), such as 6, 7 (also independently published as a book, which may be better for referencing), 8, 9, 10 (appears to be a very good source, published by Taylor & Francis), 11... Research papers on this topic also exist, however I don't know if they meet our quality requirements: 12 and 13 published when Serie A TV rights were being renewed in 2005, 14, 15, 16... As well as theses (again, to check if RS is met): 17, 18. Shazback (talk) 17:18, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep am I missing something? This isn't the same article, and it seems to clearly pass WP:GNG with those Italian language articles above. We don't gatekeep if something is notable. SportingFlyer T·C 18:16, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Also WP:NOTTVGUIDE clearly does not apply here, which is for upcoming shows on specific networks. SportingFlyer T·C 18:17, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
They don't look like WP:SUSTAINED coverage to me. Joseph2302 (talk) 19:49, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
There are sources already in the article that span 20 years of coverage. SportingFlyer T·C 20:25, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

What would be sufficient for WP:SUSTAINED? In 1995, half-page on page 4 of La Stampa regarding the TV rights sales of Serie A and B La Stampa 31 Oct. 1995 p.4, 2010 editorial article and analysis in La Repubblica on how TV rights sales affect the league to optimize commercial revenues La Repubblica 3 Mar. 2010 online, unknown if published... See the links above in addition... What type of sources would satisfy this aspect of the notability guideline? Shazback (talk) 20:37, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Courtesy ping to GiantSnowman, IgnatiusofLondon, TimothyBlue, SpacedFarmer as they participated in the previous AfD. Shazback (talk) 20:02, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hey @Shazback:, just so you're aware, SpacedFarmer is topic banned from AfD. Conyo14 (talk) 05:12, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - article appears impressive, but is very poorly written and sourcing is inadequate to show notability of this topic. Giant Snowman 21:59, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Poor writing should be improved, not deleted. Regarding the sourcing, can you expand as two editors above have explained in detail how there is enough sourcing. --SuperJew (talk) 07:03, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Redirect to Serie A#Television rights – No need for a fork, as decided in similar AfD in the past. If there is relevant content, simply add it to this section. Svartner (talk) 23:10, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Although the article can be improved, it is notable enough as shown by editors above and shouldn't be deleted. Summarising and merging is a possible alternative, though it seems to me that there is enough content for a standalone page. --SuperJew (talk) 07:05, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep but this still needs a lot of rework. Looking over the list, I don't see it working as a rename and it wouldn't work as a redirect. Plus, SportingFlyer gave some good sources. Conyo14 (talk) 05:08, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

PS Klabat Jaya Sakti

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Fails WP:GNG. No evidence of secondary coverage that shows WP:SIGCOV Demt1298 (talk) 16:38, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Weak keep I do see Indonesian articles such as [19] [20] [21] which demonstrate the club is covered in the media on a consistent basis, but I'm struggling with the language barrier. SportingFlyer T·C 18:43, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Keep per sources above which (appear to) show notability. Giant Snowman 08:46, 16 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete The sources in the article and this AfD only cover the game results, not the subject itself. As a team playing in the lowest division of football in Indonesia, its notability is limited to its region and it's relatively unknown on a national level. IMO, it doesn't meet the GNG. Ckfasdf (talk) 09:55, 16 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Note that according to WP:SPORTCRIT; Local sources must be independent of the subject, and must provide reports beyond routine game coverage. None of sources in the article and this AfD provide reports beyond routine coverage, such as information about the team itself. Ckfasdf (talk) 10:00, 16 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep – The sources presented are sufficient for WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 16:43, 16 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: The sources appear to meet the required standard of notability and provide credible and sufficient evidence Bernie Clay Bear (talk) 01:01, 17 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete – Per WP:SPORTCRIT, "Local sources must be independent of the subject, and must provide reports beyond routine game coverage." None of the sources above or in general provide significant coverage of the club itself beyond routine game coverage. Aviationwikiflight (talk) 10:13, 17 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete Those sources are, indeed, routine game coverage - and they're the best of what's out there, TBH. Best Alexandermcnabb (talk) 09:22, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per WP:SPORTSCRIT. Only one of the sources cited in the article actually works, and it's WP:ROUTINE. Unfortunately, so are the other sources presented by SportingFlyer. There's not enough WP:SIGCOV to support an article at this time.--DesiMoore (talk) 19:30, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Those aren't the only sources though - a WP:BEFORE search is tricky because there's a few names this club is called, but there's definitely consistent online coverage from at least 2022. SportingFlyer T·C 22:26, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
WP:BEFORE searches only found a few results related to game match outcomes, which align with WP:ROUTINE. 10:25, 26 November 2024 (UTC) Ckfasdf (talk) 10:25, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Jimmy Hazen

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WP: V -- there are only two citations, none of which are third party. In addition, the whole page is clearly inadaquate. (No infobox, not enough prose.) Chief disambiguator (talk) 22:05, 30 November 2024 (UTC)Chief disambiguator[reply]

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Delete. Does not meet WP:NGOLF and hasn't received significant coverage. pʰeːnuːmuː →‎ pʰiːnyːmyː → ‎ɸinimi → ‎fiɲimi 08:45, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Bobby Greenwood (golfer)

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A lot going on here. The primary reason is that it fails WP:V - no citations. And I think it clearly violates Third Party rules; almost certainly someone close to the subject created this. It reads like a CV. Lastly, this may violate WP: N; there is no indication that he was ever a PGA Tour member.

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Clearly meets WP:NGOLF as he played on the PGA Tour for seven seasons. Leaning keep, but article obviously needs a lot of cleanup. pʰeːnuːmuː →‎ pʰiːnyːmyː → ‎ɸinimi → ‎fiɲimi 08:42, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Kai Trump

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Previously deleted/redirected at AfD. Recreated by a new user and honestly the coverage doesn't look any better than it did at the first AfD, so I can't see it warranting a standalone article. Serious issues with WP:NOTINHERITED. Should be redirected back to Donald Trump Jr.#Family (EDIT: I am also fine redirecting back to Family of Donald Trump) as per the consensus of the last AfD. Hemiauchenia (talk) 17:07, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect as done previously and lock it to prevent repeated disruption. Iggy pop goes the weasel (talk) 19:29, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Restore redirect per last AfD. This shouldn't even go to AfD, it should be up to those few who think it should be a standalone article to demonstrate what has changed and why that would change the previous AfD consensus. Traumnovelle (talk) 20:07, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep: Meets WP:GNG with multiple references focusing on her:

These references have all been published after the last AfD, and/or were not in the article during the last AfD. The Mountain of Eden (talk) 20:22, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

None of this coverage suggests that she is notable separate from her relationship to the broader Trump family, and is pretty insubstantial. Per Wikipedia:Notability_(people)#Invalid_criteria That person A has a relationship with well-known person B, such as being a spouse or child, is not a reason for a standalone article on A. Hemiauchenia (talk) 20:36, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

She is covered in-depth in multiple WP:RS that are independent of her, which satisfies the requirements in WP:GNG. The Mountain of Eden (talk) 20:39, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This is a silly post that could be made about any subject whatsoever.

None of the sources at the article Julius Caesar suggest that he is notable separate from his relationship to his broader military and political achievements -- do you here suggest a redirect to Roman Empire per WP:NOPAGE? jp×g 🗯️ 00:09, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

No, but the valid reason would be that she has received significant coverage in multiple reliable sources. This is a point that is often misunderstood on Wikipedia, presumably because of WP:UPPERCASE shortcuts like WP:NOTINHERITED. If you actually read WP:NOTINHERITED, you'll see that it says Individuals in close, personal relationships with famous people (including politicians) can have an independent article even if they are known solely for such a relationship, but only if they pass WP:GNG. What it actually means is that people are not automatically notable just because they're related to someone – they can still meet GNG, even if that is all they are "known" for. C F A 💬 00:41, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

What has she done that is actually noteworthy? These articles are basically puff pieces. We know she plays golf and that she was invited to give a speech at an RNC convention where she says Donald Trump a normal grandfather and that she has no interest in pursuing politics. The social media stuff in the article is irrelevant puffery. Iggy pop goes the weasel (talk) 20:43, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The social media stuff is obviously not independent of her. But the 5 references above (and there are more in the article, I just listed the top 5) are all in-depth (not a casual mention), independent of her, and independent of each other. That's all that is needed for WP:GNG. The Mountain of Eden (talk) 21:31, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

So what? This isn't a policy-based argument. jp×g 🗯️ 14:35, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect per nom., Iggy pop goes the weasel, Traumnovelle, and WP:NOPAGE. Sal2100 (talk) 20:47, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: meets GNG. See my comment above. C F A 💬 00:42, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. I do feel that those opting for redirect are really failing to see the huge differences between this AFD and the previous one in July.

1.Firstly, Trump has made a YouTube channel as of October that has already received 220,000 subscribers (and more than 50k of those in the last 24 hours), has a video with over 2 million views in two days which has significant political interest and coverage in major news outlets (and a second video with over a million views).

2. Kai Trump has more than a million followers on TikTok and 500,000 followers on Instagram, which has all changed since the last AfD where she had 100,000 followers on Instagram for example.

3. The election of 9 days ago also casts her in a different light- she is a content creator who will have significant proximity to an in-power president between the ages of 17-21, and already has a huge audience and is receiving notable coverage. Do you really think that Kai Trump is going to fade into obscurity and never again achieve notability? Deleting this article is only going to delay publication for six months or less, and she is already receiving 9,000 plus article visits per day (not that this means anything for notability purposes, but the article clearly has demand and she clearly has significant attention).

In my opinion, the previous AFD fell the right way because of the fact she was only notable for her RNC speech- by all accounts she is now achieving notability for other reasons at this point, and she will continue to do so. There are now [sources] claiming that she is Trump's most important social media ally, etc. I would expect coverage on this subject to increase dramatically in the coming months with the inauguration and as she produces more content. Let us compare with her uncle Barron Trump (as she has been compared with before), who has been deleted via AFD before: this would suggest that Barron has attained nowhere close to the notable achievements or coverage that Kai has now received, with no sections of independent notability as far as I can tell. Kai's article Passes WP:GNG. I edited her article extensively yesterday though, so I would expect some degree of bias from me in trying to keep the article retained.Spiralwidget (talk) 01:51, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. This is a poorly-written article about a person whose accomplishments I find unimpressive. Sources obviously pass GNG. Is there a BLP issue, or some other urgent concern that makes GNG unsuitable here? Or is it just a politics thing? jp×g 🗯️ 02:16, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Family of Donald Trump. Not seeing any sources that are notable outside of Donald Trump, until she becomes notable by herself I can't vote keep. Esolo5002 (talk) 06:21, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Merge/redirect to Family of Donald Trump (1st choice) or back to Donald Trump Jr.#Family (2nd choice). (I think the family article is better than the father's article for the same anti-patriarchal reasons I detailed in the first AFD and won't repeat here.)

In the first AFD, I thought the article subject was just shy of meeting WP:GNG, with borderline sigcov from WP:TIER3 sources like [22] [23] [24] [25], with the best source at the time IMO being ABC News, though even that one had little in-depth information about the subject, and was mostly about the RNC speech.

The 5 new sources posted above don't really move the needle for me. #1 WP:DAILYBEAST is yellow at RSP, and anyway it's an opinion piece. #2 I'm not sure that EssentiallySports is an RS. #3 is not technically not independent of the other ABC News article, and anyway is more about the subject's election night vlog than about the subject herself. #4 is a routine signing report which usually don't count as sigcov of an athlete, and #5 NYT is about the RNC speech, like the earlier ABC News article, not in depth of the subject herself. What's missing is like two solid biographies of the subject; then I'd be convinced that there is so much material about the subject that it should be on its own page.

But for now, I think everything that meets WP:DUE/WP:ASPECT in all of those sources that is actually about the subject is only enough to fill up a section in an article, e.g. Family of Donald Trump. Even if the subject meets GNG, for WP:PAGEDECIDE reasons (readers will understand the subject better in the context of her family rather than as a stand-alone article, particularly since most of her notability is derived from her family, with her golf career constituting a minority of the overall RS coverage), I think it's better to cover this topic as part of another article rather than as its own article.

Also, I note that the prior AFD resulted in consensus to redirect, and it was edit-warred back into an article, which led to this second AFD (1, 2, 3). A trout to those editors for editing against consensus. The new information should have been added to the target article, and if a stand-alone was sought, a split should have been proposed on the target article's talk page per WP:PROSPLIT. Levivich (talk) 07:35, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Can you explain the distinction between "significant coverage of something a person did" and "significant coverage of the person"? I am confused by this claim. jp×g 🗯️ 14:36, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sure, probably easiest to show you examples, all from the same RS:

The #1 stories have some biographical information about the subjects, but they're really focused on specific events/statements/actions/etc. #2 are actual full-length biographies of the subject. You see a lot of differences in these types of stories: #1 is focused on a particular time and place, #2 spans the subject's entire lifetime. #1 includes a lot of quotes from the subject (what the subject said about the event/action/whatever), whereas #2 has much more in the BBC's own voice. (You can scroll through and just see that #2 has fewer quotation marks than #1.) #1 is usually shorter than #2, sometimes by half.

For our purposes -- writing a stand-alone biography article about a subject -- we can kinda/sorta do it with RSes like #1's, but you really need #2's to cover the subject's whole life, as opposed to just some action/event that happened during their life.

For this article subject (Kai Trump), we only have #1's, no #2's. Levivich (talk) 16:49, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect per above discussion. I’m against any minor child of a political person or celebrity having an article, even if they have spoken in public about their parent or grandparent. (Redacted) Bearian (talk) 04:21, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I have two comments to make here on this AfD after already giving my "keep" opinion a little further up.

1. Firstly, I would be concerned that a merge/redirect to Family of Donald Trump would destroy a lot of potentially important encyclopedic information in the article, such as Trump's RNC speech and her recent coverage of election night, as well as information about her name being related to her grandfather and such. The current Family of Donald Trump article has only a short section on grandchildren, and it would be difficult for me to see how a redirect/merge would fit in with the format of that article. I think that merging to "Donald Trump Jr." would be preferable, but the problem there is that Kai Trump does not actually have any significant activity directly related to her father; appearing at the RNC and her social media and golf activities all seem very unrelated to her father, especially considering the fact her parents are divorced and she actually lives with her mother. It also seems to perpetuate stereotypes relating to patriarchy to redirect to father. I therefore find a redirect or merge to be less than ideal in this circumstance.

2. Secondly, I have a real issue with Wikipedia attitudes as regards social media influencers and younger influential people as it stands. I distinctly remember having a similar argument about Niko Omilana when I first made that article. As a younger editor myself, I feel it is important to point out that these people are household names to a degree. People in my social group and my age range have almost all heard of people like Niko Omilana or Kai Trump, and she is seen from my perspective as more of an influencer with her own brand than a relative of Donald Trump- without a doubt her grandfather is a part of her brand, but it is honestly rather derisive of younger people to just expect that all of their life has a focus on their family She clearly receives significant independent coverage on her "social media brand", which I would characterise as "rich republican golf girl", such as [[26]] and [[27]]. Another example is Deji Olatunji, which currently redirects to KSI despite clearly passing GNG, partially because people underestimate the fame, influence and importance of these figures for a younger audience- again, these are the celebrities and personalities that are the most important and discussed among people below the age of 25, and they without a doubt pass GNG. I find it both patronising, astonishing and frustrating that such articles are routinely struck down by people that in my opinion have not got the finger on the pulse of the way fame and influence is being peddled, and Wikipedia itself is in danger of being left behind if it is not more forgiving to younger subjects. The information is clear, it is well-cited, and it receives coverage in multiple reliable independent sources, so what's the big fuss? The bottom line will be that when young people search online for their idols and role models and such, they will be looking at their instagram account rather than Wikipedia, and I think that is a crying shame.Spiralwidget (talk) 12:55, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

What you call "a crying shame," I call the entire point of Wikipedia's notability guidelines. Fame and popularity are not sufficient for inclusion in the encyclopedia. It's not about her age, or profession (many influencers with huge followings are nevertheless not notable), it's about this: Wikipedia summarizes sources. For a Wikipedia biography article, the sources are other biographies. Wikipedia should never be the first place to publish someone's biography. So to vote keep on a biography, I'm looking for at least 2, preferably 3, totally independent (of each other and of the subject) full-length biographies. That's what gives us enough source material to write a Wikipedia biography article that meets NPOV. Kai Trump doesn't appear to have been the subject of any full biographies, much less two or three. (The RSes I've seen so far have some biographical information, but very little, and I wouldn't call any of them in-depth biographies.) As it so happens, there are many famous people who aren't the subject of biographies (athletes, influencers, famous people's kids); they don't qualify for Wikipedia articles IMO. And everything we have to say about Kai Trump--all the info in RSes that's WP:DUE or a significant WP:ASPECT--can be said in a paragraph or two that can be part of the family article (which could have multiple mini-biographies about various not-quite-notable members of the family). The RNC speech, for example, is one sentence, that says she gave a speech at the RNC. That's all there is to say about it. Levivich (talk) 18:32, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect to the family of Donald Trump. It doesn't need an independent article. Shkuru Afshar (talk) 05:46, 16 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Family of Donald Trump. Notability is not inherited. This is, at best WP:TOOSOON. - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 10:13, 17 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: Per some of the keep discussion above. It clearly passes WP:GNG and this is way different from the previous deletion discussion in July with more references. Kaizenify (talk) 07:19, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Family of Donald Trump. The new coverage is still entirely connected to her grandfather. Notability is not inherited. I don't doubt at some point this may change, but so far it hasn't. It's WP:TOOSOON for an independent article. FYI, telling us how many followers someone has on social media is a clear sign that someone is scraping desperately at the bottom of the non-notability barrel.4meter4 (talk) 02:00, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: Likely TOOSOON. Playing golf isn't notable, there is coverage of a speech given, but being social media star in 2024 isn't notable alone. We've had a flood of coverage since the event, but nothing before. I'm not sure this person is notable for what they've done; outside of the Trump name, what have they done to be notable. She's a "potentially notable" influencer, so nothing notable at this point. Oaktree b (talk) 04:13, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep: You see the name, you want to know who it is. It's as simple as that. Cyber rigger (talk) 08:22, 21 November 2024 (UTC) — Cyber rigger (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]

Comment: If we keep it, it's logical that Barron Trump should have his own article. Lucafrehley (talk) 14:54, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. She's a public figure and meets Wikipedia notability requirements to have her own article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.77.77.187 (talk) 03:26, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Notability is not inherited. We don't write about the grandchildren of Nicolas Sarkozy, Olaf Scholz, or even Vladimir Putin. --Tataral (talk) 13:54, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Meets WP:GNG per the articles focused on her by Daily Beast, Essentially Sport, ABC News, Golf Week, New York Times.XavierItzm (talk) 06:19, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Per above. Also should be even more prominent during the next four years. Her fame is global. She is covered in The Times of India for instance. Hektor (talk) 08:17, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The Times of India is not an unquestionably reliable source, see WP:RSP and Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Noticeboard/Archive_447#RfC:_The_Times_of_India. In my own experience, its coverage tends towards the sensational. Hemiauchenia (talk) 17:40, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Reliable sources with sigcov – such as this Cut piece and especially this solid Telegraph profile published after the start of this AfD – demonstrate notability. Hameltion (talk | contribs) 18:20, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete It would appear that Kai has done little else to gather press coverage other than be the granddaughter of the incoming President (unlike her aunt Ivanka who is notable), only thing going for her in terms of notability is the instagram posting and social media influencer career paragraph, and thats not much. Considering we have First Daughters that are far more notable than her (Malia Obama comes to mind who is in filmmaking) don't have Wikipedia pages I struggle to understand why she does. Naomi Biden's wikipedia page got deleted for this same reason. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Unfriendnow (talk • contribs) 18:51, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: Meets WP:GNG. Gelasin (talk) 02:31, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Family of Donald Trump. The content of this article could be shortened to a sentence or two that would fit well in the full family article. This individual's internet popularity is on the increase but right now it's WP:TOOSOON to tell if that will hold. Might warrant a standalone article eventually. SiliconRed (he/him • talk) 16:47, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Notability is not inherited. Having some subscribers on tiktok and youtube does not give notability. The possibility of being an influencer in the next years does not give notability WP:TOOSOON. User:GuzmanTierno 8:00, 29 November 2024 (GMT)
Keep: Meets WP:GNG as you can find sources as https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/kai-trump-sanitizing-grandpa-trump-200345791.html and https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2024/11/13/kai-trump-age-parents-donald-trump-grandchildren/76259196007/ Shadow4dark (talk) 15:07, 29 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep she is her own growing brand, she says she wants to stay out of politics and grow on Youtube separately. Osnelandrejr(talk) 07:51, 29 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep or merge I would actually like to see a "Descendants" section in the Donald Trump article. People are interested in what his children or grandchildren are going to do. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ed Poor (talk • contribs) 09:08, 29 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: Meets WP:GNG. Ashik Rahik (talk) 15:48, 30 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep I made this article because Kai has used the fame afforded by her family, the most famous in the world, to garner significant attention among teenagers. There’s already been coverage, and there’ll be more as she does more stuff. The idea of Wikipedia is to make a place where people can find reliable information about things that are happening around them. Don’t cut it off. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Alpharomeo12 (talk • contribs) 14:34, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Her family being famous doesn't mean she needs a Wikipedia page. It's either delete this or merge it. Unfriendnow (talk) 18:10, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep I think she passes notability -- famous family (like Kennedy family members) and media is covering her extensively because she is providing videos into meetings at Mar-a-Lago, etc that otherwise we don't have visibility into. Deleting now would be a big mistake -- it would have to be re-created from scratch in future years.. Danski14^(talk) 14:40, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Why would it need to be re-created from scratch in future years? have other granddaughters of Presidents also had Wikipedia pages? Naomi Biden's was deleted and she had a historical wedding and was in the news, Finnegan Biden when she was in the news and attended the coronation making her and her grandmother the only member of a First Family to do so.

Why is Kai Trump so important and so different from those two? what has she really done? Unfriendnow (talk) 18:10, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Extremely notable, and I really hope this AfD wasn't created out of a political bias toward her grandfather. OldDiddlyBop (talk) 10:08, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Meets GNG due to sustained media coverage. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.13.160.78 (talk) 00:07, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The effort here is amazing but this is clearly against WP:NOTDIR. If it was a list of players whose name was engraved onto the Stanley Cup, that would make sense. However, this is a list of players which also includes players who did not even play in the series or made a brief appearences. Omnis Scientia (talk) 10:02, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Alternatively, convert the page to players whose names are engraved on the Stanley Cup. I understand, from the talk page of this article, there is an article in progress: User:Leech44/List of player names on the Stanley Cup. That would make more sense, IMO. Omnis Scientia (talk) 10:58, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. This does not appear to meet WP:GNG or WP:NLIST. There has been no demonstration as to why is it important to have standalone of every single person ever engraved on the Stanley Cup. The reasons for some to be included or not can go elsewhere such as Chronology of Stanley Cup engravings or List of Stanley Cup champions. I see no reason why this needs to be its own list, when it can be covered elsewhere and does not substantiate its existence. Based on the outcome of this discussion, User:Leech44/List of player names on the Stanley Cup would be a candidate for Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion. Best wishes. Flibirigit (talk) 14:12, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: I agree that this doesn't meet the GNG or NLIST. It fails WP:OR as well, with the addition of all manner of other people into the mix; who is actually deciding here what a "Cup winning player" is? As far as Leech 44's list, I also agree it's a MfD candidate: it hasn't been substantively touched in a decade, and Leech44 himself has been inactive for many years (he has eight edits in the last eight years). Ravenswing 23:48, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Martial arts

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Seyed Ali Mousavi Noor

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Fails notability, it was deleted once recently after this discussion Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Seyed Ali Mousavi Nour but recreated again under a slightly different name to trick wikipedia. Sports2021 (talk) 04:04, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Amir Reza Mirzaei

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Fails notability, never won a major medal. his achievements are in youth level or either in minor competitions. Sports2021 (talk) 04:13, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Sheida Mohammadi

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Fails notability, never won anything in senior level. never even competed. based on the article she won a bronze in Gymnasiade which is far from being notable. Sports2021 (talk) 22:39, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete, she is on a track that eventually might lead somewhere, but she has not arrived at notability yet, being a participant in children's sports events. Geschichte (talk) 23:04, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hamidreza Sadri (Taekwondo)

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Fails notability, it was deleted once after this discussion Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Hamidreza Sadri now created under another name by the same user to trick wikipedia. Sports2021 (talk) 22:34, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment - given that this was created by the same user as the one that created Hamidreza Sadri, could this be WP:G4 speedy deleted? Both claim to just be direct translations from Farsi Wikipedia. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 22:41, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I looked at the deleted version, and had to decline the G4 as this one has more content and more sources, so can't really be considered identical enough. I'm not commenting on whether this demonstrates any notability either, only that it appears (superficially) to be a more credible attempt at least. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 08:58, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep to me the users decided wrongly about last AFD , because he has the notablity of sportpersons in Wikipedia and I Didn't tricks anyone I just couldn't put New AFD, however This article is only translated from the farsi Wikipedia . Hamidreza Sadri is holder of Silver medal Asian junior and Gold medal at military world games which both competitions are notable for Wikipedia and many other international tournaments and now he plays Azarbaijan national team and these days he injured but he will get back to competitions soon

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There is no such thing as "users decided wrongly"; everyone is free to make their arguments as they see fit, and the closer of the earlier AfD discussion certainly closed it correctly as reflecting consensus. You may not like the outcome, but you should not dismiss it as "wrong". -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 09:01, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yin-yang-style baguazhang

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Lack of notability Revirvlkodlaku (talk) 00:03, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Revirvlkodlaku, what did you think of the existing sources? Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 00:19, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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@Liz, I'm not sure what there is to think. There are two hyperlinks, both of which are of Chinese text, and the rest are books. It's not clear to me how anyone can easily verify the content, but more importantly, this still seems like a rather small and obscure school of martial arts, and I don't think it warrants its own article. I think the topic should perhaps be redirected to Baguazhang. Revirvlkodlaku (talk) 09:41, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep per the significant coverage in multiple independent reliable sources.
1. Ai, Hu 艾虎 (2013). "田氏阴阳八卦掌探源及发展" [The Origin and Development of Tian's Yin-Yang Baguazhang]. 中华武术 [Chinese Martial Arts] (in Chinese).
  The article notes: "阴阳八卦掌，明末清初时，早在四川峨嵋山与青城山一带，碧云、静云两位道长所传。由田氏远祖田如銨始习阴阳八卦掌。在反清复明特殊的历史背景，阴阳八卦掌只在田氏族中秘密传承。传承序为鹏、利、富、海、山、回、克、子、金、川。"
  From Google Translate: "Yin-Yang Bagua Palm was passed down by Taoist priests Biyun and Jingyun in the Emei Mountain and Qingcheng Mountain area of Sichuan in the late Ming and early Qing dynasties. Tian Ruquan, the distant ancestor of the Tian family, began to practice Yin-Yang Bagua Palm. In the special historical background of the anti-Qing and restoration of the Ming Dynasty, Yin-Yang Bagua Palm was only secretly passed down in the Tian family. The order of inheritance is Peng, Li, Fu, Hai, Shan, Hui, Ke, Zi, Jin, and Chuan."
  The article notes: "为弘扬中华武术，田迴先生于上世纪60年代将祖传阴阳八卦掌始传外姓，1990年9月田迴所著《阴阳八卦掌·蟒形掌》一书由人民体育出版社出版，并列为中国武术协会审定的《中国武术文库》“拳械部”所属的“拳术类”，后又作为经典，被选录入《中国武术百科全书》和《中国武术拳械录》。"
  From Google Translate: "In order to promote Chinese martial arts, Mr. Tian Hui passed down the ancestral Yin-Yang Baguazhang to foreign surnames in the 1960s. In September 1990, Tian Hui's book "Yin-Yang Baguazhang·Python-Shaped Palm" was published by People's Sports Publishing House and listed as The "Boxing Category" belonging to the "Boxing Department" of the "Chinese Martial Arts Library" approved by the Chinese Wushu Association was later selected as a classic and included in the "Chinese Martial Arts Encyclopedia" and "Chinese Martial Arts Boxing and Weapons Record"." The book from Tian Hui:
  - Tian, Hui 田迴 (1995). 陰陽八卦掌 : 蟒形掌 [Yin Yang Baguazhang: Python-Shaped Palm] (in Chinese). People's Sports Publishing House [zh]. ISBN 978-7-5009-0508-0. Retrieved 2024-12-02. [zh]&rft.date=1995&rft.isbn=978-7-5009-0508-0&rft.aulast=Tian&rft.aufirst=Hui 田迴&rft_id=https://books.google.com/books/about/阴阳八卦掌.html?id=w24ZAgAACAAJ&rfr_id=info:sid/en.wikipedia.org:Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Sports" class="Z3988">
2. 天津通志: 体育志 [Tianjin General History: Sports History] (in Chinese). Tianjin: Tianjin Academy of Social Sciences Press 天津社会科学院出版社. 1994. p. 71. ISBN 978-7-8056-3498-2. Retrieved 2024-12-02 – via Google Books.
  The book notes: "芦忠仁(正文)近年献艺整理出版了《阴阳八盘掌》一书。阴阳八盘掌最显著的特点是,它的走转行动毫不停息,手法腿法步法身法变化多端,姿势时正时斜,时转时翻,时起时伏,并且各个动作组织严密,技法纵横游击,左右盘旋,大有冲锋陷阵威力。演练时,给人以强烈的艺术感和实战感。其器械套路较多,这里只记“八盘刀”、“八第一篇传统体育"
  From Google Translate: "In recent years, Lu Zhongren (text) compiled and published the book "Yin Yang Ba Pan Zhang". The most striking feature of Yin Yang Ba Pan Palm is that it moves around without stopping, its hand, leg, footwork and body movements are ever-changing, its postures are upright and diagonal, turning and turning, rising and falling, and each movement is tightly organized. , the technique is vertical and horizontal guerrilla, circling left and right, and has great charging power. During the drill, it gives people a strong sense of art and practicality. There are many equipment routines, here we only remember the "Ba Pan Knife", "Eight Pan Knife" and "Eight Pan Knife". The first traditional sports"
  The book notes: "阴阳八盘掌在清代也称“阴阳八卦掌”。此拳强调“八盘” (指人体的八个部位)的锻炼。因传授的人不同而变得多种多样。但在董海川以后,尹福和程廷华传授是主流。李振清前期弟子萧海波( 1863——1954 ) ,将此拳从民间传入清朝王府。萧的传人芦忠仁在津门潜心钻研,并向下传续了此拳,另有人称“醉鬼张三”的张长祯,与萧交往很密切,对萧述及所学的“内八卦'乾字门'拳法” (即此拳一支)"
  From Google Translate: "Yin-Yang Baguazhang was also called "Yin-Yang Baguazhang" in the Qing Dynasty. This boxing emphasizes the exercise of "eight pans" (referring to the eight parts of the human body). It varies depending on who teaches it. But after Dong Haichuan, Professors Yin Fu and Cheng Tinghua became the mainstream. Xiao Haibo (1863-1954), a former disciple of Li Zhenqing, introduced this boxing from the people to the royal family of the Qing Dynasty. Lu Zhongren, Xiao's descendant, devoted himself to studying in Jinmen and passed on this boxing to the next generation. Zhang Changzhen, also known as "Drunkard Zhang San", had a close relationship with Xiao and told Xiao about the "Nei Bagua" Qianzi he had learned. "Men'quanfa" (that is, this fist)."
3. Liu, Jun-xiang 刘峻骧 (1996). 东方人体文化 [Oriental Human Body Culture] (in Chinese). Shanghai: Shanghai Literature & Art Publishing House [zh]. pp. 107, 109, 115. ISBN 978-7-5321-1488-7. Retrieved 2024-12-02. [zh]&rft.date=1996&rft.isbn=978-7-5321-1488-7&rft.aulast=Liu&rft.aufirst=Jun-xiang 刘峻骧&rft_id=https://books.google.com/books?id=gDNoAAAAIAAJ&q=%22阴阳八卦掌%22&rfr_id=info:sid/en.wikipedia.org:Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Sports" class="Z3988">
  The book notes: "《阴阳八卦掌》则以蟒形学为首,顺序是按后天八卦图的排列,分别狮形掌、虎形掌、熊形掌、蛇形掌、马形掌、猴形掌、鹏形掌等。但不管哪一派,都讲八方、八位、八掌型。其掌型分别为仰,俯,竖、抱、劈、撩、穿、挑。"
4. Hao, Xinlian 郝心莲 (1998). 中国武术百科全书 [Encyclopedia of Chinese Martial Arts] (in Chinese). Beijing: Encyclopedia of China Publishing House. p. 518. ISBN 978-7-5000-6087-1. Retrieved 2024-12-02.
  The article notes: "《阴阳八卦掌》《中华武术文库·拳械部·拳术类》之一。田廻著。中国武术协会审定。 1990 年 9 月人民体育出版社出版。全书共分上下两篇, 8 册。上篇总论,主要介绍了阴阳八卦掌的源流、内容、特点、练习步骤、阴阳论等;下篇讲述蟒形掌等一至八掌的掌势套路练法和技击作用。第 1 册蟒形掌,第 2 ~ 8 册依次为狮形掌、虎形掌、熊形掌、蛇形掌、马形掌、猴形掌、鹏形掌。... 它与董海川所传八卦掌不同,实为八卦掌另一流派。该书材料翔实,图文并茂,文字简练,通俗易懂,便于自学,利于查阅。"
  From Google Translate: "The Yin-Yang Bagua Palm is based on the python form, and the order is arranged according to the post-natal Bagua diagram, including lion-shaped palm, tiger-shaped palm, bear-shaped palm, snake-shaped palm, horse-shaped palm, monkey-shaped palm, roc-shaped palm, etc. But no matter which school it is, they all talk about eight directions, eight positions, and eight palm forms. The palm forms are upward, downward, vertical, hugging, chopping, lifting, piercing, and picking."
5. Ren, Zhicheng 任致诚 (2001). 阴阳八盘掌 [Yin Yang Ba Pan Palm]. Jiaolong Library Ancient Boxing Manual Series 矫龙文库古拳谱丛书 (in Chinese). Vol. 2. Shanxi: Shanxi Science and Technology Press [zh]. Retrieved 2024-12-02 – via Google Books. [zh]&rft.date=2001&rft.aulast=Ren&rft.aufirst=Zhicheng 任致诚&rft_id=https://books.google.com/books/about/阴阳八盘掌.html?id=TYGjAAAACAAJ&rfr_id=info:sid/en.wikipedia.org:Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Sports" class="Z3988">
6. Tian, Keyan 田克延 (2005). "阴阳八卦掌基础套路八卦阴阳鱼" [Yin-Yang Bagua Palm Basic Routine: Bagua Yin-Yang Fish]. 中华武术 [Chinese Martial Arts] (in Chinese). No. 9. pp. 54–57. Retrieved 2024-12-02 – via CQVIP [zh].
There is sufficient coverage in reliable sources to allow Yin-yang-style baguazhang (simplified Chinese: 阴阳八卦掌; traditional Chinese: 陰陽八卦掌) to pass Wikipedia:Notability#General notability guideline, which requires "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject".
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List of current Combate Global fighters

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Promotion barely exists nowadays and is not very relevant HeinzMaster (talk) 16:42, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Procedural keep A personal judgement call about a promotion's relevance is not a proper reason for deletion. Nate • (chatter) 17:39, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Sky Sport MotoGP

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Reviewed during NPP. No evidence of wp:notability under GNG or SNG. Not only are there no GNG sources, it really doesn't any sources. Two are their own website and the other is some type of program listing. Tagged by others since Sept 2024. North8000 (talk) 21:05, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to Sky Sport (Italy)#Sky Sport MotoGP Actual article content here is nonsense from a globally-locked account which reads like Google Translate polling ChatGPT for some reason; this is a real channel, but all it does is carry motorcycle races from said platform. Nate • (chatter) 00:50, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Kym Illman

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This photographer does not appear to meet WP:GNG or WP:PHOTOGRAPHER. I've actually come across Illman's YouTube channel before, but I'm just not seeing the sourcing to establish notability. The most solid source I found is this profile from Nine.com.au. I found some other sources like this and this this that quote Illman's social media posts and cover some of the associated drama, but to me this doesn't feel like significant coverage of Illman or his work. Most other sources I came across were passing mentions or just Illman's name in photo credits. I don't think we have enough coverage to meet GNG, but I'm open to discussion with other editors. Lord Bolingbroke (talk) 19:24, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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I understand. I was browsing the Wikipedia requested articles and saw Illman’s name. As I recognised him, and as I an interested by his work, I thought I should create his page. Whilst creating I did see significantly fewer credible sources than I would have wanted to. Although I do feel like I, or others, could very likely, with some digging around the internet, add some more information to the page that covers more of his life/work, I do agree with there being a lack of sources that establish his notability and would understand if this page is deleted. ThornlessCookieReal (talk) 10:55, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I appreciate your understanding. I do think notability is borderline, and I'm open to keeping the page if other editors are able to dig up some better sources. Lord Bolingbroke (talk) 17:26, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. As of November 29, the article has seen a large amount of revision and inclusion of more reliable sources than it was a few days ago when this AfD was opened. Madeleine961 (talk) 19:53, 30 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Was going to say almost exactly what Madeleine961 did. Sandcat555 (talk) 22:40, 30 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Based on the recent expansion, I do agree to keep the article per WP:HEY. Thanks to Hack for the expansion and additional sources. Lord Bolingbroke (talk) 03:24, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Alisha Palmowski

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Fails WP:GNG and WP:NMOTORSPORT as a driver who has only competed in entry level series (Ginetta Junior Championship and FIA Formula 4). Article is at best WP:TOOSOON and WP:CRYSTAL. MSportWiki (talk) 02:38, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Draft. Palmowski, is a F1 Academy wildcard driver, and since all F1 Academy drivers have pages, why not her? She is also the runner-up of the 2024 GB4 Championship and can be considered as a future prospect for female racing drivers. At least draft the page BurningBlaze05 (talk) 05:58, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

F1 Academy is an entry-level series, therefore its' competitors don't meet notability guidelines – WP:WHATABOUTISM is not an excuse. I have no issue with drafting, however "can be considered as a future prospect" is the definition of WP:CRYSTAL. MSportWiki (talk) 11:13, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment. I know nothing about this content area, but here are the sources I could locate: [28], [29], [30], [31], [32], [33], [34], [35], [36], [37]. I don't know how to evaluate content in this area which seems hyper specific to motor sports so I will leave it to others to determine whether this meets WP:SPORTSBASIC/WP:SIGCOV. Best.4meter4 (talk) 03:01, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep: She seems to have enough coverage for WP:GNG - have added 3 new refs which are not simply database results listings. PamD 11:49, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. I have to agree with Pam. With the sources she added, and the ones I found I think WP:SPORTSBASIC/WP:GNG are met.4meter4 (talk) 18:45, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep: According to WP:N, she received significance coverage and pass WP:SIGCOV. Wyzoqaku (talk) 20:30, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep- Notable sportswoman. Moondragon21 (talk) 23:58, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
With all due respect, I suggest you read the notability guidelines under WP:NMOTORSPORT - the subject does not come close to meeting any of the criteria for that, let alone a generic sportswoman. MSportWiki (talk) 08:33, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Draft- that does not mean she hasn't gotten any coverage because she has however it might be better to draft it 109.76.211.121 (talk) 17:47, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep She EASILY meets those guidelines unless you consider GB4 to not be a series of significant national importance. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Duds 2k (talk • contribs) 13:35, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Draftify – I have to agree with article creator User:BurningBlaze05 here; this is a case of WP:TOOSOON. The subject is 18, stepping up to F1 Academy imminently and coverage exists. Links 1 to 3 above are good enough; the rest are either WP:ROUTINE or primary. Moving it to mainspace this early was a mistake, but WP:POTENTIAL is high and several users seem interested in working on it. MSport1005 (talk) 13:38, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Draft: per MSports1005 - subject could have clear notability/SIGCOV in the near future. Publication was too soon. GalacticVelocity08 (talk) 19:04, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Draftify per WP:POTENTIAL. The article already has at least one reliable source, and a Google search brings up several industry specific sources.--DesiMoore (talk) 16:04, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: TOOSOON I think. Source 2 is the only RS about this person that's an article, not just a PR item or a race result. That's about all I can find. Oaktree b (talk) 16:44, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Mohawk Warrior

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This doesn't appear to meet WP:N, or have a suitable WP:ATD. Boleyn (talk) 22:35, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: Other than warriors from the Mohawk nation, there is no coverage of a monster truck. Not sure how we're supposed to evaluate sources in the article when there are none... ah the wild west early days of wikipedia. Sources, we don't need no stinkin sources (google it kids, it's a good movie). Oaktree b (talk) 22:40, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Keep: I see a bunch of potential sources...
Articles mentioning driver Bryce Kenny:1 2 3
Articles mentioning driver George Balhan: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7
other small mentions: 1 2 3 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rainsage (talk • contribs)

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History of rugby union matches between Italy and Georgia

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Not a notable rivalry or pairing Fram (talk) 12:38, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete per WP:NOTSTATS, which is what this article is at the moment. Even so, a rivalry article doesn't appear to have any significant coverage, but I haven't looked too deep into it yet. Conyo14 (talk) 22:22, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Tennis

Astrid Wanja Brune Olsen

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Delete - based on my reading of WP:NTENNIS, I don't think that the subject meets the bar for notability, based on the various stats sites I came across, and the article in its current incarnation. There are several pages published by Tennis Norge that have more coverage, but this seems limited to the subject's participation in the national team fielded at the Fed Cup. That does not seem sufficient to me, but I would happily defer to WP:TENNIS. SunloungerFrog (talk) 20:57, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. Don't see notability per WP:NTENNIS. Astaire (talk) 00:48, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Alexey Zakharov

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Non-notable tennis player who fails to meet WP:GNG and WP:NTENNIS. Sources I found, at least in English, are just routine match coverage. I am not familiar with the Russian language at all so if anyone can find anything of note in Russian, I am glad to reconsider. Adamtt9 (talk) 23:49, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep - He is one of the famous athletes and is mentioned in more than 30 en:Wikipedia articles. He became a quarterfinalist of junior Grand Slam tournaments four times. In total, he participated in 12 junior Grand Slam tournaments and is accordingly mentioned in articles about these tournaments. He became the winner of ten ITF junior tournaments (2 in singles), reaching 12th place in the ITF World Junior ranking (2018). During 2024, he was a finalist once and quarter finalists twice on the ATP Challenger Tour - see: 2024 ATP Challenger Tour. It is the eighth of the rooms in Top Russian male singles tennis players. --Zboris (talk) 23:27, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I've added some more content and citations to this article (one in English and two in Dutch). Not sure if that makes it now meet the required criteria for significant coverage but thought I'd point it out. I'll let others with more intricate knowledge of the required standards decide if the subject of the article meets the required notability. Shrug02 (talk) 00:16, 29 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Helene Pellicano

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Fails WP:GNG and WP:NTENNIS. Shrug02 (talk) 23:14, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep meets GNG thanks to coverage in major Malta sources such as [38] [39] [40] [41] (Times of Malta) and [42] (Malta Independent). Iffy★Chat -- 10:37, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Iffy the coverage in Times of Malta is pretty solid, but they all count as 1 source only per WP:GNG ("Multiple publications from the same author or organization"). Malta Independent's ref is just a match report and is not a significant coverage of Pellicano. I'll see if I can find something more. Jovanmilic97 (talk) 19:06, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Wrestling

List of world champions in NJPW born outside Japan

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No evidence that this grouping of characteristics meets WP:LISTN and has received significant attention as a group. Fram (talk) 09:49, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep: Looking at the article, I find it relevant to the reader. Additional references will need to be added. ChuyCastañeda (talk) 03:58, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete my rationale is same as Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of NJPW female wrestlers born outside Japan. Also, delete the other similar lists created by the same user: List of NJPW male wrestlers born outside Japan, List of WWE male wrestlers born outside the United States, List of WWE female wrestlers born outside the United States, and List of world champions in WWE born outside the United States. --Mann Mann (talk) 05:42, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Sportspeople

Amir Reza Mirzaei

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Fails notability, never won a major medal. his achievements are in youth level or either in minor competitions. Sports2021 (talk) 04:13, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Seyed Ali Mousavi Noor

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Fails notability, it was deleted once recently after this discussion Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Seyed Ali Mousavi Nour but recreated again under a slightly different name to trick wikipedia. Sports2021 (talk) 04:04, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Matt Nance

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I am unable to find anything approaching WP:SIGCOV for this American soccer player. Fails WP:GNG. JTtheOG (talk) 02:32, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Sheida Mohammadi

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Fails notability, never won anything in senior level. never even competed. based on the article she won a bronze in Gymnasiade which is far from being notable. Sports2021 (talk) 22:39, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete, she is on a track that eventually might lead somewhere, but she has not arrived at notability yet, being a participant in children's sports events. Geschichte (talk) 23:04, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hamidreza Sadri (Taekwondo)

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Fails notability, it was deleted once after this discussion Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Hamidreza Sadri now created under another name by the same user to trick wikipedia. Sports2021 (talk) 22:34, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment - given that this was created by the same user as the one that created Hamidreza Sadri, could this be WP:G4 speedy deleted? Both claim to just be direct translations from Farsi Wikipedia. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 22:41, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I looked at the deleted version, and had to decline the G4 as this one has more content and more sources, so can't really be considered identical enough. I'm not commenting on whether this demonstrates any notability either, only that it appears (superficially) to be a more credible attempt at least. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 08:58, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep to me the users decided wrongly about last AFD , because he has the notablity of sportpersons in Wikipedia and I Didn't tricks anyone I just couldn't put New AFD, however This article is only translated from the farsi Wikipedia . Hamidreza Sadri is holder of Silver medal Asian junior and Gold medal at military world games which both competitions are notable for Wikipedia and many other international tournaments and now he plays Azarbaijan national team and these days he injured but he will get back to competitions soon

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There is no such thing as "users decided wrongly"; everyone is free to make their arguments as they see fit, and the closer of the earlier AfD discussion certainly closed it correctly as reflecting consensus. You may not like the outcome, but you should not dismiss it as "wrong". -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 09:01, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Astrid Wanja Brune Olsen

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Delete - based on my reading of WP:NTENNIS, I don't think that the subject meets the bar for notability, based on the various stats sites I came across, and the article in its current incarnation. There are several pages published by Tennis Norge that have more coverage, but this seems limited to the subject's participation in the national team fielded at the Fed Cup. That does not seem sufficient to me, but I would happily defer to WP:TENNIS. SunloungerFrog (talk) 20:57, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. Don't see notability per WP:NTENNIS. Astaire (talk) 00:48, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

George Silva

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Delete - I could not find decent sources with significant coverage of the subject. Nothing that added flesh to the bones of various listings and stats sites. I therefore submit that the subject does not meet WP:NSPORTS, and I note that the article has been unsourced and out-of-date for some time. It is possible that better sources exist in Portuguese that I haven't found, in which case I would be happy to withdraw my nomination. SunloungerFrog (talk) 20:24, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 21:13, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Luis Torres (footballer, born 1992)

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A very brief career with no significant coverage per WP:SPORTBASIC. All I can find are trivial mentions like this and this. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 19:51, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete, 2,000 light years away from meeting the notability criteria. Geschichte (talk) 20:13, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 21:12, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Félix Rodríguez (Mexican footballer)

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Had a brief career in the second tier of Mexico but searches yield nothing that could even come close to counting towards WP:SPORTBASIC. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 19:46, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete, having a blast going through all the non-notable Mexican players. You forgot to mention that the article creator is blocked indefinitely, having disrupted Wikipedia. Geschichte (talk) 20:16, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I can't imagine how many more of these stubs we'd have to deal with if they were not blocked when they were. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 20:17, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 21:12, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Jonh González

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Played 44 mins of professional football but no other claim to notability. All I can find is trivial stuff like El Orbe. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 19:41, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete, when I come around to assessing the sources he is far from meeting the notability criteria. Geschichte (talk) 20:13, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 21:11, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Mitchell Gornto

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Fails WP:GNG and WP:NGYMNAST. Subject's page has false accomplishments listed throughout (actual 2012 US National Championship results here and 2013 here). Subject has never been named to a US Senior or Junior national team and was not a member of the 2014 Pacific Rim team (results here). Aside from being a gymnast at Michigan, which is not inherently notable, the entire profile is fake. GauchoDude (talk) 15:21, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: The name seems to come up in relation to a tennis player in Florida... Unlikely to still be in university a decade later. Unremarkable college athlete, I don't see notability and there is no sourcing to back up the article either. Oaktree b (talk) 16:13, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Vincenzo Patrick Guglielmelli

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Delete - I could find no significant coverage whatsoever in any source, reliable or otherwise. Plenty of listings and stats sites, all of which are fairly scanty. Career highlight seems to have been one season at Ascoli when they were a Serie A club, during which the subject did not appear to have played any matches. I therefore submit that WP:NSPORT is not met, and note that the article has been practically unsourced since its inception. SunloungerFrog (talk) 15:16, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete – Player with participation only in the Italian Serie C2, and without sources that establish WP:SIGCOV. Svartner (talk) 15:32, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete. Search engine results pull up listings without significant coverage and (weirdly enough) a pronunciation video. TWOrantula^TM (enter the web) 01:00, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keikan Ri

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Redirect to Boxing at the 1936 Summer Olympics – Welterweight - no significant coverage in any sources apart from listings type sites, and the corresponding jawiki is similarly unsourced. Subject finished 17th in class in the 1936 Olympics. I therefore submit that the article does not meet WP:NSPORT in its own right, but a redirect to the competition page is appropriate. SunloungerFrog (talk) 15:28, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Steffen Gebhardt

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Unnotable. A ton of bricks 05:50, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Michael Plooy

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Declined prod. Based on a primary source. A search for sources yielded non-independent darts media. Fails WP:SPORTSCRIT. LibStar (talk) 00:45, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Tony Payne (darts)

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unnotable darts player, fails GNG and WP:SPORTCRIT. All my warmest wishes, ItsKesha (talk) 14:41, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep - seems to have been the best in America at his prime, and I've found some pretty strong sourcing corresponding with that. Longform piece about him in the Cincinnati Enquirer, same in The Indianapolis Star, slightly shorter but still decent piece in The Cincinnati Post. Also found this in The Independent, which focuses a lot on him, and this in the Herald Express and the Sports Argus which is a little more WP:ROUTINE but talks about him becoming a world championship finalist. This article from The Daily Mirror discusses some of his activities after the sport and describes how he was known as the "wild man of American darts" in the 1980s. With all this I'd be pretty confident that Payne was a notable figure during his time. ser! ^{(chat to me - see my edits)} 21:39, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Michael Hurtz

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unnotable darts player, fails GNG and WP:SPORTCRIT. All my warmest wishes, ItsKesha (talk) 14:45, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no notable achievements, no significant coverage. ser! ^{(chat to me - see my edits)} 21:45, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Fails WP:SPORTSCRIT. Unremarkable career. LibStar (talk) 04:10, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Mark Stephenson

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unnotable darts player, fails GNG and WP:SPORTCRIT. All my warmest wishes, ItsKesha (talk) 14:41, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Weak keep - there's some coverage that appears to indicate Stephenson is at least regionally notable, like this from the Newcastle Chronicle, and this in same, as well as coverage in Malvern Gazette of his business ventures outside of the sport, but it's nothing incredible. I do think WP:3SOURCES is met, just about. ser! ^{(chat to me - see my edits)} 21:55, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Les Capewell

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unnotable darts player, fails GNG and WP:SPORTCRIT. All my warmest wishes, ItsKesha (talk) 14:41, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete 3 google news hits, 2 of those being dartsnews. Fails WP:SPORTSCRIT. LibStar (talk) 07:50, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Len Heard

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unnotable darts player, fails GNG and WP:SPORTCRIT. All my warmest wishes, ItsKesha (talk) 14:41, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Ben Ward (darts player)

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unnotable darts player, fails GNG and WP:SPORTCRIT. All my warmest wishes, ItsKesha (talk) 14:42, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Stanley Cup winning players

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The effort here is amazing but this is clearly against WP:NOTDIR. If it was a list of players whose name was engraved onto the Stanley Cup, that would make sense. However, this is a list of players which also includes players who did not even play in the series or made a brief appearences. Omnis Scientia (talk) 10:02, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Alternatively, convert the page to players whose names are engraved on the Stanley Cup. I understand, from the talk page of this article, there is an article in progress: User:Leech44/List of player names on the Stanley Cup. That would make more sense, IMO. Omnis Scientia (talk) 10:58, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. This does not appear to meet WP:GNG or WP:NLIST. There has been no demonstration as to why is it important to have standalone of every single person ever engraved on the Stanley Cup. The reasons for some to be included or not can go elsewhere such as Chronology of Stanley Cup engravings or List of Stanley Cup champions. I see no reason why this needs to be its own list, when it can be covered elsewhere and does not substantiate its existence. Based on the outcome of this discussion, User:Leech44/List of player names on the Stanley Cup would be a candidate for Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion. Best wishes. Flibirigit (talk) 14:12, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: I agree that this doesn't meet the GNG or NLIST. It fails WP:OR as well, with the addition of all manner of other people into the mix; who is actually deciding here what a "Cup winning player" is? As far as Leech 44's list, I also agree it's a MfD candidate: it hasn't been substantively touched in a decade, and Leech44 himself has been inactive for many years (he has eight edits in the last eight years). Ravenswing 23:48, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

List of NBA rookie single-season rebounding leaders

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Appears to fail WP:NLIST; unable to find any independent secondary reliable sources discussing this list topic as a group or set in a WP:BEFORE search. It's possible this is tracked in stats databases, but such sources alone are insufficient in affirming wiki-notability. Left guide (talk) 05:14, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per failing WP:NLIST. There are individual sources that show the top three, but this list is the top 20 and I've not seen any to justify top 20, top 10, or even top 5. Conyo14 (talk) 05:36, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete fails WP:NLIST.4meter4 (talk) 06:09, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Teppei Uesugi

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The claim to notability, playing 16 football games (and probabaly not full games) in Singapore is weak. The sources are not enough to rectify that, and as such he fails WP:SPORTCRIT and WP:GNG. Sources in Japanese Wikipedia are either primary or not in-depth. Geschichte (talk) 21:51, 30 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 19:10, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 16:09, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Shingo Shibata

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The claim to notability, playing 16 football games (and probabaly not full games) is weak. The sources are not enough to rectify that, and as such he fails WP:SPORTCRIT and WP:GNG. Sources in Japanese Wikipedia are either trivial/primary or do not work. Geschichte (talk) 21:49, 30 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete – The only source provided is a dead link to statistics. ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 15:52, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 19:10, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 23:59, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Jimmy Hazen

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WP: V -- there are only two citations, none of which are third party. In addition, the whole page is clearly inadaquate. (No infobox, not enough prose.) Chief disambiguator (talk) 22:05, 30 November 2024 (UTC)Chief disambiguator[reply]

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Delete. Does not meet WP:NGOLF and hasn't received significant coverage. pʰeːnuːmuː →‎ pʰiːnyːmyː → ‎ɸinimi → ‎fiɲimi 08:45, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Alejandro Muñóz

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No indication of meeting WP:SPORTCRIT or WP:GNG. Played 731 minutes in Mexico's second league. Creator is blocked indefinitely. Geschichte (talk) 18:41, 30 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. Player is not notable and a search yields no reliable sources supporting his notability. Madeleine961 (talk) 19:57, 30 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 19:09, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Alexei Pavlov (swimmer)

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Does not meet WP:SPORTCRIT as there is not significant coverage in reliable sources. Adabow (talk) 09:00, 30 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Bobby Greenwood (golfer)

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A lot going on here. The primary reason is that it fails WP:V - no citations. And I think it clearly violates Third Party rules; almost certainly someone close to the subject created this. It reads like a CV. Lastly, this may violate WP: N; there is no indication that he was ever a PGA Tour member.

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Clearly meets WP:NGOLF as he played on the PGA Tour for seven seasons. Leaning keep, but article obviously needs a lot of cleanup. pʰeːnuːmuː →‎ pʰiːnyːmyː → ‎ɸinimi → ‎fiɲimi 08:42, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Rajat Dalal

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Participating in a reality show alone does not make someone notable for inclusion on Wikipedia. If this were the case, countless individuals in India could potentially have articles created every day. This situation clearly falls under WP:BIO1E. At present, I do not believe the subject meets the criteria of WP:GNG. Additionally, WP:TOOSOON also applies in this case. The claim of “winning several medals for India” is vague and unexplained without any source. Zuck28 (talk) 09:42, 29 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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He has won numerous medals, and there are plenty of sources for this information. You should strive to keep your eyes open so that the Wikipedia article isn't removed needlessly.

Please take another look at the source that is related to the prose content provided at wikipedia page. Super Dud (talk) 02:39, 30 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Super Dud, Kindly elaborate about those “numerous medals”. Name the medals, competitions, organisers, opponents, platforms, team he represented, dates and venues of the matches?

These plenty of the sources doesn’t verify the claim, merely it mentions that “the subject claims to have certain number of medals”. Without any specific details about these medals.

Secondly, I would suggest you yo use professional language and avoid personal attacks, otherwise you can attract a block.

Even after taking multiple looks at the page, it is not clear how you think the subject passes the Wp: Notability criteria of Wikipedia.

Zuck28 (talk) 07:05, 30 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Please don't see my brief attempt to convey the main idea as an insult, leave the rest of the work to the administrators.

I have personally attached a summary of how many medals were won by the subject and in which event as a citation on the said subject page.

Now clear your confusion by reading that information carefully.

Thanks, happy editing. Super Dud (talk) 11:22, 30 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete agree with the points put by nominator.-Adamantine123 (talk) 11:41, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Habib Rahman (weightlifter)

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Declined prod. Fails WP:SPORTSCRIT and WP:NOLY. Only could find coverage of a mayor of the same name. LibStar (talk) 14:35, 29 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: Easily fails WP:NOLY. Lacks reliable secondary sources to establish nobility. Wikibear47 (talk) 17:40, 29 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Pavol Zemanovič

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His professional career only lasted three minutes and he has disappeared for over one decade. The only secondary source I found is a passing mention on SME. ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 10:09, 29 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 12:55, 29 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Speedy delete, no credible claim to notability worth discussing. Geschichte (talk) 18:33, 29 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: Doesn't appear to be notable, subject fails WP:NSPORTS and WP:NBIO. - Ratnahastin (talk) 01:20, 30 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 11:34, 30 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Jordan Bulpitt

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No evidence of notability for this English cricketer. Fails WP:GNG and WP:SPORTCRIT. Possible redirect targets include List of Cambridge UCCE & MCCU players and List of Warwickshire County Cricket Club players, though the latter has not been updated with his name yet. JTtheOG (talk) 21:16, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Daniel Jara

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Failure of WP:SPORTCRIT and WP:GNG. Only played 706 minutes in Peru as well as the Chilean second division. Kept before due to a guideline that no longer exists. A WP:BEFORE only yielded this piece from before he went to Peru, and this quote-heavy piece – in addition to databases and passing mentions. Creator is blocked indefinitely. Geschichte (talk) 18:21, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: not notable, couldn't find any other sources that would make the player pass GNG Noah ^💬 18:38, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 21:42, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 17:50, 29 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Piotr Bartkowiak

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The article of this Polish men's footballer has been tagged for notability issues for more 15 years. He only played four matches with Lech Poznań in Extraklarsa, before moving to lower clubs then disappeared for over two decades. I can't find anything other than database sources and a lot of results show the unrelated assistant coach Karol Bartkowiak. ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 14:42, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment - if you want the article cleaned up or looked at, then sending it to AfD is not the right way to go about it. Doubtless, nineteen years on people will be able to find better sources than me. I remember translating several footballers' articles from foreign-language Wikipedias back in the day and if it seems so long since I worked on Polish footballers. The article was deleted on pl.wiki around three weeks after I submitted it to en.wiki on whatever the equivalent is on Poland's AfD. Bobo . 15:36, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 17:50, 29 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. I could not find any sources. Plwiki tends to require less for notability, so this person is unlikely to be notable on enwiki too. NicolausPrime (talk) 16:53, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Looks like a delete due to the lack of playing time at the higher level, and sources. Geschichte (talk) 14:34, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

List of current Combate Global fighters

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Promotion barely exists nowadays and is not very relevant HeinzMaster (talk) 16:42, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Procedural keep A personal judgement call about a promotion's relevance is not a proper reason for deletion. Nate • (chatter) 17:39, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Emmanuel Savary

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Non-notable figure skater; does not even come close to meeting the criteria of WP:NSKATE. Includes two local publications; I'll let the community decide whether that qualifies as "significant coverage." Bgsu98 (Talk) 00:34, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Alexey Zakharov

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Non-notable tennis player who fails to meet WP:GNG and WP:NTENNIS. Sources I found, at least in English, are just routine match coverage. I am not familiar with the Russian language at all so if anyone can find anything of note in Russian, I am glad to reconsider. Adamtt9 (talk) 23:49, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep - He is one of the famous athletes and is mentioned in more than 30 en:Wikipedia articles. He became a quarterfinalist of junior Grand Slam tournaments four times. In total, he participated in 12 junior Grand Slam tournaments and is accordingly mentioned in articles about these tournaments. He became the winner of ten ITF junior tournaments (2 in singles), reaching 12th place in the ITF World Junior ranking (2018). During 2024, he was a finalist once and quarter finalists twice on the ATP Challenger Tour - see: 2024 ATP Challenger Tour. It is the eighth of the rooms in Top Russian male singles tennis players. --Zboris (talk) 23:27, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I've added some more content and citations to this article (one in English and two in Dutch). Not sure if that makes it now meet the required criteria for significant coverage but thought I'd point it out. I'll let others with more intricate knowledge of the required standards decide if the subject of the article meets the required notability. Shrug02 (talk) 00:16, 29 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Bettina Valdorf

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There is no evidence of WP:SIGCOV and after doing a search I could find any additional of coverage in reliable sources. I did find some passing mentions, but nothing in-depth or evidence to prove notability. Grahaml35 (talk) 01:25, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Weak keep - For winning a bronze in the ISSF World Cup [43] , [44] Ayokakesy2023 (talk) 11:48, 29 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Cherdsak Chaiyabutr

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reviewed during NPP. No evidence of wp:notability under GNG or SNG. Of the 4 references, the first is a youtube video,, the 2nd and 3rd just includ a single mention of his name in a list. I can't find anything at the 4th references although the title looks like an entry in a 1977 newspaper that says that their team won. Tagged by others for wp:notability sinces September. North8000 (talk) 22:14, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment: The Youtube video in question is a nationally televised TV programme dedicated to profiling renowned sportspeople from the past. --Paul_012 (talk) 10:27, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 20:34, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Weak keep I'm not good at finding Thai sources but from quick glances, apparently, he's now vice president of the Football Association of Thailand as of July 2024 according to this and this which could demonstrate some notability. I could also find a sports program dedicated to him here and had some brief success as a youth coach in 2009. He's also repeatedly mentioned in notable Thai footballers of the 1970s such as this and this, He also participated in the 1976 King's Cup according to this site. SuperSkaterDude45 (discusión) 04:05, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- He's a member of the board, but not the vice president. --Paul_012 (talk) 21:12, 30 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete – References to social media are unreliable per WP:NOTSOCIALNETWORK and WP:SELFPUB, thus should never be used on articles. They also don't demonstrate notability. ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 13:32, 30 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- What are you referring to by "References to social media"? --Paul_012 (talk) 20:24, 30 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  YouTube reference on the article. ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 15:53, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  Youtube is a video-hosting platform. While it has social media features and features user-generated content, none of that is relevant to the video, which, as the citation already clearly notes, and I pointed out again above, is a TV production. --Paul_012 (talk) 20:19, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: Has a significant career from the pre-digital era, so offline sources likely exist. For example, the TV programme that interviewed him shows a 1989 magazine cover featuring him at the 36 second mark, as well as several magazine spreads, which were likely accompanied by in-depth profile pieces. The daily sports tabloid Star Soccer recently featured a profile of him in its 4 August 2024 issue. Apart from that and the Nation TV programme, most search results are brief mentions, including him becoming advisor for Saraburi United F.C.[45] and heading a youth football programme in Khon Kaen, [46], in addition to those noted above by SuperSkaterDude45. --Paul_012 (talk) 21:12, 30 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. In additional to the in-depth coverage by Nation TV and Star Soccer mentioned above, I'm convinced that additional older sources are also very likely to exist. --Paul_012 (talk) 20:21, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - @Giantsnowman:, Per above. Clearly was significant fihgure in Thai football with offline sources. Thanks, Das osmnezz (talk) 19:40, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Pascal Arnou

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Nothing in google news (which is unusual for an Olympian), 2 one-line mentions in google books. Fails WP:SPORTSCRIT and WP:NOLY. LibStar (talk) 23:30, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Bruno Bogojević

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Reviewed during NPP. No evidence of wp:notability under GNG or SNG. Not only no GNG references, has no references other than 4 database listings. North8000 (talk) 22:02, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Draftify – WP:TOOSOON. Svartner (talk) 23:00, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Well, it was fairly trivial to find some mainstream Croatian sports coverage like the Večernji list report on when he signed to Rijeka [47] or some of the Sportske novosti articles tagged with his name [48], and these newspapers talk of an experienced player. If we drop this biography where over a hundred appearances are recorded at the top level of a national football league over a period of many years, we would in turn have to drop probably many many more. --Joy (talk) 00:52, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Keep per Joy, good WP:COMMONSENSE arguments. Giant Snowman 20:35, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Incredibly easy search to do in Croatian as he is an established HNL player. [49] [50] [51] [52] and on HRT national channel [53]. Needs improvement, not deletion. SportingFlyer T·C 07:38, 30 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - @Svartner:, Per above. Clearly significant player in pro Croatian top flight with lots of soucrs. Article needs improvement, not deletion. Thanks, Das osmnezz (talk) 21:10, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Nobody is talking about GNG type coverage which is the requirement. North8000 (talk) 21:45, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
This is flagrantly untrue. I've provided several sources which are all common coverage in Croatian sources, and he's been at least mentioned 42 times in articles put out by the national Croatian broadcaster. SportingFlyer T·C 22:17, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 08:48, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Carlos Utrilla

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Absence of sources discussing the individual in detail. As a footballer it appears he played a single league match in 2016. This is far below the threshold for establishing notability. C 679 07:29, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete, nowhere close to notable. Geschichte (talk) 20:11, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 20:38, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Judas Prada

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Stub about a basketball coach. I took a crack at looking for material but came up short. Best I could add is that he did one year as an assistant coach in the NBA. I could flesh it out with more lower level teams he was associated with, but I found nothing but database entries and mentions in passing of his short stints at colleges and a Chinese team, so it does nto seem worth it. No in depth sources about him, so no evidence he passes WP:SPORTBASIC. No evidence he ever played in NBA so fails WP:NBASKETBALL. Don't see this meeting WP:NBIO Meters (talk) 23:36, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Forgot to mention that there was an unsourced (and undone) edit last year that claimed that as of 2023 he was a middle school basketball coach [54]. Meters (talk) 23:39, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment. I am getting some hits in google books. I think it highly probable that there may be coverage in newspaper archives. Anyone able to check newspapers.com?4meter4 (talk) 00:40, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- I'm happy to withdraw this if suitable coverage is found, but I didn't find any in depth coverage. Appears to be a run-of-the-mill coach with short stints at various colleges, and who peaked with one year as an assistant in the NBA. Meters (talk) 00:23, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete. Not notable. No significant coverage. Vedicant (talk) 20:59, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Hanna Harrell

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Non-notable figure skater; does not meet the criteria of WP:NSKATE. Despite the volume of provided sources, most of those are competition results and databases, and what isn't appears to mostly be skating blogs. I'll let the community decide whether what's there qualifies as "significant coverage." Bgsu98 (Talk) 22:47, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. Fails WP:SIGCOV and WP:SPORTSBASIC.4meter4 (talk) 01:54, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Strong keep. Hanna Harrell medaled at the US senior championships. Significant coverage surely exists. --Moscow Connection (talk) 11:53, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
WP:NSKATE calls for a gold medal at the senior national champiomships; her highest finish was 4th. Bgsu98 (Talk) 12:38, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
WP:NSKATE says that the criteria are chosen on the grounds that "significant coverage is likely to exist for figure skating figures if they [do these things]". And I think it's impossible that a US championships medalist would not have significant coverage. --Moscow Connection (talk) 12:59, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I did a very quick search and have found an NBC article ("Hanna Harrell talks taking on Russians at world junior championships") and a YouTube documentary/reportage by U.S. Figure Skating ("Portrait of a Skater — Hanna Harrell"). There's also a full-fledged biography on the Texas Children's Hospital website (here). --Moscow Connection (talk) 12:59, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
She's an athlete that has competed for her country internationally. There are similar athletes on Wikipedia whose notability isn't questioned with far less developed articles. I can't understand why this is even an issue. ash (talk) 14:46, 29 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Competing internationally isn't inherently notable. Unfortunately, nothing that this skater has done meets the standards of notability established per WP:NSKATE. Bgsu98 (Talk) 15:29, 29 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Fortunately, she meets WP:GNG. --Moscow Connection (talk) 03:39, 30 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

By the way, I don't understand your agenda here on AfD.
Like, you nomitated Kamil Białas 2 (two) times with exactly the same rationale:
· Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Kamil Białas
· Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Kamil Białas (2nd nomination).
Are you planning to nominate it 100 times? (It is a good tactics that I have seen being used successfully. Sooner or later no one notices and the proposal passes. I can't be here on Wikipedia 24/7.) --Moscow Connection (talk) 03:49, 30 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Sufficiently notable for inclusion per GNG. Vedicant (talk) 21:06, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Kamil Białas

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Fails WP:NSKATE; medal placement at the junior level or bronze/silver medals at the senior-level national championships do not meet the requirements of WP:NSKATE. Bgsu98 (Talk) 12:05, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep. I think the topic meets the general notability guideline (WP:GNG).
I did a quick search and found this and this. (Two articles by Dziennik Polski, titled "Kamil Białas znów stanął na podium" and "Łyżwiarze nie mogą się rozwijać bez startów".) There's also a YouTube interview, here.
The Polish website says "Sorry, you have been blocked", so I don't think I should bother to read and search further. --Moscow Connection (talk) 15:12, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Social media platforms are user-generated and should never be provided as references to articles. ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 14:42, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Dziennik Polski is a newspaper.
Or are talking about YouTube? If it is an official account of a respected media brand or journalist, then it can be used. (As any other documentary or reportage.) --Moscow Connection (talk) 16:37, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I was talking about YouTube. Even if the source comes from an official account of a media brand, social media can't be used anywhere as they are user-generated sites, thus generally unreliable per WP:NOTSOCIALNETWORK and WP:SELFPUB. Social media as references also don't demonstrate the article's notability. Otherwise, I thought we only used reliable secondary sources... ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 13:30, 30 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Have you actually read the pages you are linking?
· WP:NOTSOCIALNETWORK is completely unrelated to this discussion.
· WP:SELFPUB actually says the opposite of what you are saying: "Self-published and questionable sources may be used as sources of information [about themselves]". --Moscow Connection (talk) 20:50, 30 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Btw I don't understand why are are attacking me. :-) When I posted my first comment on this page, I didn't see the previous discussion (Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Kamil Białas) where you voted "weak keep" and showed exactly the same sources I found. You should better say something to the nominator. Who nominated this article twice with exactly the same rationale. I don't know about the English Wikipedia, but on some other Wikipedias (in some other languages, like Russian, for example) it is explicitly forbidden to nominate an article again for the same reason. (It is done as a measure against those who are obsessed and would otherwise nominate the same article again and again even after they have been told it can stay. They do it in hope that their opponents will get bored or will simply not notice a new nomination.) --Moscow Connection (talk) 21:05, 30 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Helene Pellicano

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Fails WP:GNG and WP:NTENNIS. Shrug02 (talk) 23:14, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep meets GNG thanks to coverage in major Malta sources such as [55] [56] [57] [58] (Times of Malta) and [59] (Malta Independent). Iffy★Chat -- 10:37, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Iffy the coverage in Times of Malta is pretty solid, but they all count as 1 source only per WP:GNG ("Multiple publications from the same author or organization"). Malta Independent's ref is just a match report and is not a significant coverage of Pellicano. I'll see if I can find something more. Jovanmilic97 (talk) 19:06, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Matt Lalli

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I am unable to find anything approaching WP:SIGCOV for this former lacrosse player. Fails WP:GNG and WP:SPORTCRIT. All I found were passing mentions (1, 2, 3, etc.) JTtheOG (talk) 00:42, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment. I know nothing about this sport but here are some more sources: [60], [61], [62], [63], [64]. I'll let others decide whether these count towards notability or not. Best.4meter4 (talk) 00:53, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hello and thank you for your response. The first two are passing mentions and thus not significant coverage, while the next three are not independent of the subject. JTtheOG (talk) 01:35, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep The coverage in the article combined with the more than 100 sources covering him via Newspapers.com demonstrate that the notability standard is met as a professional athlete playing at the top level of his sport. Alansohn (talk) 03:05, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Please share any SIGCOV you might be able to find. JTtheOG (talk) 05:02, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Ken Summers (darts player)

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unnotable darts player, fails GNG and WP:SPORTCRIT. All my warmest wishes, ItsKesha (talk) 09:47, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete Fails WP:SPORTSCRIT. LibStar (talk) 22:59, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Steve Douglas (darts player)

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unnotable darts player, fails GNG and WP:SPORTCRIT. All my warmest wishes, ItsKesha (talk) 09:48, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete some routine coverage but not enough to meet WP:SPORTSCRIT. LibStar (talk) 23:55, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Brayan Velásquez

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There is nothing notable about playing 28 football games in the league of Honduras, and youth world cups do not grant notability either. This would need several good WP:SIGCOV pieces to even be considered as passing the notability bar. Geschichte (talk) 16:44, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. Passes WP:SPORTSBASIC. Here are a few examples from the just the first couple pages in google news: [65], [66], [67], [68], [69], [70], [71], [72] There are more...4meter4 (talk) 17:22, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Keep per sources above which show notability. Giant Snowman 09:46, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete The above sources are transfer stories/match reports/interviews which are routine coverage and do not pass GNG. Dougal18 (talk) 10:32, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
If the match report on news media only focuses on a specific footballer and describes them in significant detail independently (that said, tiny piece of or without direct speech), would it still count towards GNG? I also was told that interview sources with big independent analysis would make the article pass GNG. ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 11:16, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep - Per above. Clearly was significant figure in Hpnduran football with many sources. Article needs improvement, not deletion. Thanks, Das osmnezz (talk) 21:15, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Zulmarys Sánchez

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The article mentions Sanchez was a semi-finalist in the Olympics, but there's nothing that mentions winning a medal there. According to the categories, she did win a silver medal in the Pan American Games, but the ultimate issue is sourcing; I only found database results in the WP:BEFORE search. I dream of horses (Hoofprints) (Neigh at me) 18:34, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep per WP:SPORTSPERSON. Sánchez's silver medal at the 2007 Pan American Games can be confirmed here:[73]. It was in the women's K-4 500 metres canoeing category (Canoeing at the 2007 Pan American Games). Other examples of independent coverage include the following: [74][75][76]. --NoonIcarus (talk) 18:58, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That guideline says Sports biographies must include at least one reference to a source providing significant coverage of the subject. Where exactly is the significant coverage in any of those sources that you've linked? Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 19:24, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment I agree, the article was not ready at all shape. 🌼𝓡𝓬 𝓡𝓪𝓶𝔃🍁 (talk) 01:45, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment The article lacks citations, contains insufficient information, and has numerous flaws. It is not adequately developed or reliable enough for the mainspace in its current state, and it does not conform to what Wikipedia stands for. Furthermore, it fails to follow Wikipedia's policies and guidelines for creating an article. 🌼𝓡𝓬 𝓡𝓪𝓶𝔃🍁 (talk) 01:35, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Please mind WP:HASPOT. The subject's notability is not determined by the article's current quality. Rather, the question should be if the article can be improved. I can try helping with this if needed. --NoonIcarus (talk) 19:21, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I cited WP:SPORTSPERSON because A sportsperson is presumed to be notable if the person has won a significant honor, which is the silver medal won at the Pan American Games, and this source[77] furthers mentions that she also participated in the 2015 Games. There could be more coverage, but the subject it is independent as shown in the sources, particularly those in Spanish. --NoonIcarus (talk) 18:56, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete its still lacks of coverage, information as well as references and citation, not ready for mainspace...when using the article for creation and submission, many articles were declined. However, it is very upsetting to see this one published despite its clear flaws. 🌼𝓡𝓬 𝓡𝓪𝓶𝔃🍁 (talk) 01:35, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment 1,2 to 3 sources is not enough to cover the one sentence article and as you visit the publisher its not notable and reputable enough and Wikipedia doesn't support any of those. 🌼𝓡𝓬 𝓡𝓪𝓶𝔃🍁 (talk) 01:49, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom. No news articles about this person that I can find, only databases, and WP:SPORTSPERSON is actually the reason why it shouldn't be kept. Procyon117 (talk) 13:06, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Agree Indeed its not notable enough to pass Wikipedia standards. 🌼𝓡𝓬 𝓡𝓪𝓶𝔃🍁 (talk) 08:49, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I would be very careful with your continued commenting, Rc ramz. While I believe that responding to any, even all, comments in a discussion with productive and engaging replies is good and acceptable, you are not doing that - you are replying with agreement or mere reiteration of, well, every comment you agree with. This is pointless and unnecessary, and appears to me as a way of just creating more noise for your side to try influence a closer. That's WP:Bludgeoning. Kingsif (talk) 21:08, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Draftify I'm pretty certain I will be able to expand this bio to WP standards - editors who know my work will know that Olympian stubs and Venezuelan stubs are an area of expertise and this is both - but don't have the time right now. Kingsif (talk) 17:54, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment People with English-language browsers will as a rule be shown fewer foreign-language results, so if people are wanting to look for potential sources it would be useful to include some Spanish. The general Spanish word for canoe as a sport is piragüismo, though in Venezuela it is more common to use canotaje, and adding either or both of those to a browser search for her name will probably deliver more than just her name. Kingsif (talk) 18:01, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Ryuolivier Iwamoto

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Creator is globally locked. Not remotely indicating that WP:GNG and WP:SPORTCRIT is met. Never played on a notable level. 0 J League games, 0 cup games. Played some school matches before retiring; why he retired is described by himself in the Nikkan Sports source in the Japanese Wikipedia. Bunshun described him starting to work in a bank, but he does not meet business bio inclusion criteria. Geschichte (talk) 14:32, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 17:42, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep: I don't really see how WP:GNG is not satisfied when there are multiple articles with significantly more than WP:ROUTINE mentions in Nov. 2014, Dec. 2014, Jan. 2015 and in Apr. 2022. Unless these sources fail WP:RS, the fact that there is interest in knowing more about this player who had a very unremarkable career seven/eight years on from the notable event of when he was signed out of high school is IMO a notable indication of potential notability. Most players that retire before they turn 27 with (apparently) 0 games in the top two divisions don't get anything more than a one-liner as part of a broader list of retirees or a courtesy post on the club's website, so that he had a lengthy article & interview is what stands out most to me. Probably someone who speaks Japanese could locate better sources, as I imagine there is a reason why this player's retirement received this level of attention. Shazback (talk) 21:05, 29 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Alisha Palmowski

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Fails WP:GNG and WP:NMOTORSPORT as a driver who has only competed in entry level series (Ginetta Junior Championship and FIA Formula 4). Article is at best WP:TOOSOON and WP:CRYSTAL. MSportWiki (talk) 02:38, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Draft. Palmowski, is a F1 Academy wildcard driver, and since all F1 Academy drivers have pages, why not her? She is also the runner-up of the 2024 GB4 Championship and can be considered as a future prospect for female racing drivers. At least draft the page BurningBlaze05 (talk) 05:58, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

F1 Academy is an entry-level series, therefore its' competitors don't meet notability guidelines – WP:WHATABOUTISM is not an excuse. I have no issue with drafting, however "can be considered as a future prospect" is the definition of WP:CRYSTAL. MSportWiki (talk) 11:13, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment. I know nothing about this content area, but here are the sources I could locate: [78], [79], [80], [81], [82], [83], [84], [85], [86], [87]. I don't know how to evaluate content in this area which seems hyper specific to motor sports so I will leave it to others to determine whether this meets WP:SPORTSBASIC/WP:SIGCOV. Best.4meter4 (talk) 03:01, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep: She seems to have enough coverage for WP:GNG - have added 3 new refs which are not simply database results listings. PamD 11:49, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. I have to agree with Pam. With the sources she added, and the ones I found I think WP:SPORTSBASIC/WP:GNG are met.4meter4 (talk) 18:45, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep: According to WP:N, she received significance coverage and pass WP:SIGCOV. Wyzoqaku (talk) 20:30, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep- Notable sportswoman. Moondragon21 (talk) 23:58, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
With all due respect, I suggest you read the notability guidelines under WP:NMOTORSPORT - the subject does not come close to meeting any of the criteria for that, let alone a generic sportswoman. MSportWiki (talk) 08:33, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Draft- that does not mean she hasn't gotten any coverage because she has however it might be better to draft it 109.76.211.121 (talk) 17:47, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep She EASILY meets those guidelines unless you consider GB4 to not be a series of significant national importance. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Duds 2k (talk • contribs) 13:35, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Draftify – I have to agree with article creator User:BurningBlaze05 here; this is a case of WP:TOOSOON. The subject is 18, stepping up to F1 Academy imminently and coverage exists. Links 1 to 3 above are good enough; the rest are either WP:ROUTINE or primary. Moving it to mainspace this early was a mistake, but WP:POTENTIAL is high and several users seem interested in working on it. MSport1005 (talk) 13:38, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Draft: per MSports1005 - subject could have clear notability/SIGCOV in the near future. Publication was too soon. GalacticVelocity08 (talk) 19:04, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Draftify per WP:POTENTIAL. The article already has at least one reliable source, and a Google search brings up several industry specific sources.--DesiMoore (talk) 16:04, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: TOOSOON I think. Source 2 is the only RS about this person that's an article, not just a PR item or a race result. That's about all I can find. Oaktree b (talk) 16:44, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

List of world champions in NJPW born outside Japan

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No evidence that this grouping of characteristics meets WP:LISTN and has received significant attention as a group. Fram (talk) 09:49, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep: Looking at the article, I find it relevant to the reader. Additional references will need to be added. ChuyCastañeda (talk) 03:58, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete my rationale is same as Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of NJPW female wrestlers born outside Japan. Also, delete the other similar lists created by the same user: List of NJPW male wrestlers born outside Japan, List of WWE male wrestlers born outside the United States, List of WWE female wrestlers born outside the United States, and List of world champions in WWE born outside the United States. --Mann Mann (talk) 05:42, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Phil Gilman

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unnotable darts player, fails GNG and WP:SPORTCRIT. All my warmest wishes, ItsKesha (talk) 21:19, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete Fails WP:SPORTSCRIT, only primary sources and IMDB supplied. LibStar (talk) 00:15, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: This subject has won the London Classic darts tournament and British Open, two prestigious winnings with the look of things. This article could be kept on this basis alone, but if anyone finds a slight coverage, then this should be kept. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 08:08, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep- For winning the prestigious British Open in 1992 Chikwendummesonma (talk) 17:24, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Kai Trump

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Previously deleted/redirected at AfD. Recreated by a new user and honestly the coverage doesn't look any better than it did at the first AfD, so I can't see it warranting a standalone article. Serious issues with WP:NOTINHERITED. Should be redirected back to Donald Trump Jr.#Family (EDIT: I am also fine redirecting back to Family of Donald Trump) as per the consensus of the last AfD. Hemiauchenia (talk) 17:07, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect as done previously and lock it to prevent repeated disruption. Iggy pop goes the weasel (talk) 19:29, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Restore redirect per last AfD. This shouldn't even go to AfD, it should be up to those few who think it should be a standalone article to demonstrate what has changed and why that would change the previous AfD consensus. Traumnovelle (talk) 20:07, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep: Meets WP:GNG with multiple references focusing on her:

These references have all been published after the last AfD, and/or were not in the article during the last AfD. The Mountain of Eden (talk) 20:22, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

None of this coverage suggests that she is notable separate from her relationship to the broader Trump family, and is pretty insubstantial. Per Wikipedia:Notability_(people)#Invalid_criteria That person A has a relationship with well-known person B, such as being a spouse or child, is not a reason for a standalone article on A. Hemiauchenia (talk) 20:36, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

She is covered in-depth in multiple WP:RS that are independent of her, which satisfies the requirements in WP:GNG. The Mountain of Eden (talk) 20:39, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This is a silly post that could be made about any subject whatsoever.

None of the sources at the article Julius Caesar suggest that he is notable separate from his relationship to his broader military and political achievements -- do you here suggest a redirect to Roman Empire per WP:NOPAGE? jp×g 🗯️ 00:09, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

No, but the valid reason would be that she has received significant coverage in multiple reliable sources. This is a point that is often misunderstood on Wikipedia, presumably because of WP:UPPERCASE shortcuts like WP:NOTINHERITED. If you actually read WP:NOTINHERITED, you'll see that it says Individuals in close, personal relationships with famous people (including politicians) can have an independent article even if they are known solely for such a relationship, but only if they pass WP:GNG. What it actually means is that people are not automatically notable just because they're related to someone – they can still meet GNG, even if that is all they are "known" for. C F A 💬 00:41, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

What has she done that is actually noteworthy? These articles are basically puff pieces. We know she plays golf and that she was invited to give a speech at an RNC convention where she says Donald Trump a normal grandfather and that she has no interest in pursuing politics. The social media stuff in the article is irrelevant puffery. Iggy pop goes the weasel (talk) 20:43, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The social media stuff is obviously not independent of her. But the 5 references above (and there are more in the article, I just listed the top 5) are all in-depth (not a casual mention), independent of her, and independent of each other. That's all that is needed for WP:GNG. The Mountain of Eden (talk) 21:31, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

So what? This isn't a policy-based argument. jp×g 🗯️ 14:35, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect per nom., Iggy pop goes the weasel, Traumnovelle, and WP:NOPAGE. Sal2100 (talk) 20:47, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: meets GNG. See my comment above. C F A 💬 00:42, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. I do feel that those opting for redirect are really failing to see the huge differences between this AFD and the previous one in July.

1.Firstly, Trump has made a YouTube channel as of October that has already received 220,000 subscribers (and more than 50k of those in the last 24 hours), has a video with over 2 million views in two days which has significant political interest and coverage in major news outlets (and a second video with over a million views).

2. Kai Trump has more than a million followers on TikTok and 500,000 followers on Instagram, which has all changed since the last AfD where she had 100,000 followers on Instagram for example.

3. The election of 9 days ago also casts her in a different light- she is a content creator who will have significant proximity to an in-power president between the ages of 17-21, and already has a huge audience and is receiving notable coverage. Do you really think that Kai Trump is going to fade into obscurity and never again achieve notability? Deleting this article is only going to delay publication for six months or less, and she is already receiving 9,000 plus article visits per day (not that this means anything for notability purposes, but the article clearly has demand and she clearly has significant attention).

In my opinion, the previous AFD fell the right way because of the fact she was only notable for her RNC speech- by all accounts she is now achieving notability for other reasons at this point, and she will continue to do so. There are now [sources] claiming that she is Trump's most important social media ally, etc. I would expect coverage on this subject to increase dramatically in the coming months with the inauguration and as she produces more content. Let us compare with her uncle Barron Trump (as she has been compared with before), who has been deleted via AFD before: this would suggest that Barron has attained nowhere close to the notable achievements or coverage that Kai has now received, with no sections of independent notability as far as I can tell. Kai's article Passes WP:GNG. I edited her article extensively yesterday though, so I would expect some degree of bias from me in trying to keep the article retained.Spiralwidget (talk) 01:51, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. This is a poorly-written article about a person whose accomplishments I find unimpressive. Sources obviously pass GNG. Is there a BLP issue, or some other urgent concern that makes GNG unsuitable here? Or is it just a politics thing? jp×g 🗯️ 02:16, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Family of Donald Trump. Not seeing any sources that are notable outside of Donald Trump, until she becomes notable by herself I can't vote keep. Esolo5002 (talk) 06:21, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Merge/redirect to Family of Donald Trump (1st choice) or back to Donald Trump Jr.#Family (2nd choice). (I think the family article is better than the father's article for the same anti-patriarchal reasons I detailed in the first AFD and won't repeat here.)

In the first AFD, I thought the article subject was just shy of meeting WP:GNG, with borderline sigcov from WP:TIER3 sources like [88] [89] [90] [91], with the best source at the time IMO being ABC News, though even that one had little in-depth information about the subject, and was mostly about the RNC speech.

The 5 new sources posted above don't really move the needle for me. #1 WP:DAILYBEAST is yellow at RSP, and anyway it's an opinion piece. #2 I'm not sure that EssentiallySports is an RS. #3 is not technically not independent of the other ABC News article, and anyway is more about the subject's election night vlog than about the subject herself. #4 is a routine signing report which usually don't count as sigcov of an athlete, and #5 NYT is about the RNC speech, like the earlier ABC News article, not in depth of the subject herself. What's missing is like two solid biographies of the subject; then I'd be convinced that there is so much material about the subject that it should be on its own page.

But for now, I think everything that meets WP:DUE/WP:ASPECT in all of those sources that is actually about the subject is only enough to fill up a section in an article, e.g. Family of Donald Trump. Even if the subject meets GNG, for WP:PAGEDECIDE reasons (readers will understand the subject better in the context of her family rather than as a stand-alone article, particularly since most of her notability is derived from her family, with her golf career constituting a minority of the overall RS coverage), I think it's better to cover this topic as part of another article rather than as its own article.

Also, I note that the prior AFD resulted in consensus to redirect, and it was edit-warred back into an article, which led to this second AFD (1, 2, 3). A trout to those editors for editing against consensus. The new information should have been added to the target article, and if a stand-alone was sought, a split should have been proposed on the target article's talk page per WP:PROSPLIT. Levivich (talk) 07:35, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Can you explain the distinction between "significant coverage of something a person did" and "significant coverage of the person"? I am confused by this claim. jp×g 🗯️ 14:36, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sure, probably easiest to show you examples, all from the same RS:

The #1 stories have some biographical information about the subjects, but they're really focused on specific events/statements/actions/etc. #2 are actual full-length biographies of the subject. You see a lot of differences in these types of stories: #1 is focused on a particular time and place, #2 spans the subject's entire lifetime. #1 includes a lot of quotes from the subject (what the subject said about the event/action/whatever), whereas #2 has much more in the BBC's own voice. (You can scroll through and just see that #2 has fewer quotation marks than #1.) #1 is usually shorter than #2, sometimes by half.

For our purposes -- writing a stand-alone biography article about a subject -- we can kinda/sorta do it with RSes like #1's, but you really need #2's to cover the subject's whole life, as opposed to just some action/event that happened during their life.

For this article subject (Kai Trump), we only have #1's, no #2's. Levivich (talk) 16:49, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect per above discussion. I’m against any minor child of a political person or celebrity having an article, even if they have spoken in public about their parent or grandparent. (Redacted) Bearian (talk) 04:21, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I have two comments to make here on this AfD after already giving my "keep" opinion a little further up.

1. Firstly, I would be concerned that a merge/redirect to Family of Donald Trump would destroy a lot of potentially important encyclopedic information in the article, such as Trump's RNC speech and her recent coverage of election night, as well as information about her name being related to her grandfather and such. The current Family of Donald Trump article has only a short section on grandchildren, and it would be difficult for me to see how a redirect/merge would fit in with the format of that article. I think that merging to "Donald Trump Jr." would be preferable, but the problem there is that Kai Trump does not actually have any significant activity directly related to her father; appearing at the RNC and her social media and golf activities all seem very unrelated to her father, especially considering the fact her parents are divorced and she actually lives with her mother. It also seems to perpetuate stereotypes relating to patriarchy to redirect to father. I therefore find a redirect or merge to be less than ideal in this circumstance.

2. Secondly, I have a real issue with Wikipedia attitudes as regards social media influencers and younger influential people as it stands. I distinctly remember having a similar argument about Niko Omilana when I first made that article. As a younger editor myself, I feel it is important to point out that these people are household names to a degree. People in my social group and my age range have almost all heard of people like Niko Omilana or Kai Trump, and she is seen from my perspective as more of an influencer with her own brand than a relative of Donald Trump- without a doubt her grandfather is a part of her brand, but it is honestly rather derisive of younger people to just expect that all of their life has a focus on their family She clearly receives significant independent coverage on her "social media brand", which I would characterise as "rich republican golf girl", such as [[92]] and [[93]]. Another example is Deji Olatunji, which currently redirects to KSI despite clearly passing GNG, partially because people underestimate the fame, influence and importance of these figures for a younger audience- again, these are the celebrities and personalities that are the most important and discussed among people below the age of 25, and they without a doubt pass GNG. I find it both patronising, astonishing and frustrating that such articles are routinely struck down by people that in my opinion have not got the finger on the pulse of the way fame and influence is being peddled, and Wikipedia itself is in danger of being left behind if it is not more forgiving to younger subjects. The information is clear, it is well-cited, and it receives coverage in multiple reliable independent sources, so what's the big fuss? The bottom line will be that when young people search online for their idols and role models and such, they will be looking at their instagram account rather than Wikipedia, and I think that is a crying shame.Spiralwidget (talk) 12:55, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

What you call "a crying shame," I call the entire point of Wikipedia's notability guidelines. Fame and popularity are not sufficient for inclusion in the encyclopedia. It's not about her age, or profession (many influencers with huge followings are nevertheless not notable), it's about this: Wikipedia summarizes sources. For a Wikipedia biography article, the sources are other biographies. Wikipedia should never be the first place to publish someone's biography. So to vote keep on a biography, I'm looking for at least 2, preferably 3, totally independent (of each other and of the subject) full-length biographies. That's what gives us enough source material to write a Wikipedia biography article that meets NPOV. Kai Trump doesn't appear to have been the subject of any full biographies, much less two or three. (The RSes I've seen so far have some biographical information, but very little, and I wouldn't call any of them in-depth biographies.) As it so happens, there are many famous people who aren't the subject of biographies (athletes, influencers, famous people's kids); they don't qualify for Wikipedia articles IMO. And everything we have to say about Kai Trump--all the info in RSes that's WP:DUE or a significant WP:ASPECT--can be said in a paragraph or two that can be part of the family article (which could have multiple mini-biographies about various not-quite-notable members of the family). The RNC speech, for example, is one sentence, that says she gave a speech at the RNC. That's all there is to say about it. Levivich (talk) 18:32, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect to the family of Donald Trump. It doesn't need an independent article. Shkuru Afshar (talk) 05:46, 16 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Family of Donald Trump. Notability is not inherited. This is, at best WP:TOOSOON. - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 10:13, 17 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: Per some of the keep discussion above. It clearly passes WP:GNG and this is way different from the previous deletion discussion in July with more references. Kaizenify (talk) 07:19, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Family of Donald Trump. The new coverage is still entirely connected to her grandfather. Notability is not inherited. I don't doubt at some point this may change, but so far it hasn't. It's WP:TOOSOON for an independent article. FYI, telling us how many followers someone has on social media is a clear sign that someone is scraping desperately at the bottom of the non-notability barrel.4meter4 (talk) 02:00, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, asilvering (talk) 03:05, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: Likely TOOSOON. Playing golf isn't notable, there is coverage of a speech given, but being social media star in 2024 isn't notable alone. We've had a flood of coverage since the event, but nothing before. I'm not sure this person is notable for what they've done; outside of the Trump name, what have they done to be notable. She's a "potentially notable" influencer, so nothing notable at this point. Oaktree b (talk) 04:13, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep: You see the name, you want to know who it is. It's as simple as that. Cyber rigger (talk) 08:22, 21 November 2024 (UTC) — Cyber rigger (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]

Comment: If we keep it, it's logical that Barron Trump should have his own article. Lucafrehley (talk) 14:54, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. She's a public figure and meets Wikipedia notability requirements to have her own article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.77.77.187 (talk) 03:26, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Notability is not inherited. We don't write about the grandchildren of Nicolas Sarkozy, Olaf Scholz, or even Vladimir Putin. --Tataral (talk) 13:54, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Meets WP:GNG per the articles focused on her by Daily Beast, Essentially Sport, ABC News, Golf Week, New York Times.XavierItzm (talk) 06:19, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Per above. Also should be even more prominent during the next four years. Her fame is global. She is covered in The Times of India for instance. Hektor (talk) 08:17, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The Times of India is not an unquestionably reliable source, see WP:RSP and Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Noticeboard/Archive_447#RfC:_The_Times_of_India. In my own experience, its coverage tends towards the sensational. Hemiauchenia (talk) 17:40, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Reliable sources with sigcov – such as this Cut piece and especially this solid Telegraph profile published after the start of this AfD – demonstrate notability. Hameltion (talk | contribs) 18:20, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete It would appear that Kai has done little else to gather press coverage other than be the granddaughter of the incoming President (unlike her aunt Ivanka who is notable), only thing going for her in terms of notability is the instagram posting and social media influencer career paragraph, and thats not much. Considering we have First Daughters that are far more notable than her (Malia Obama comes to mind who is in filmmaking) don't have Wikipedia pages I struggle to understand why she does. Naomi Biden's wikipedia page got deleted for this same reason. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Unfriendnow (talk • contribs) 18:51, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: Meets WP:GNG. Gelasin (talk) 02:31, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Family of Donald Trump. The content of this article could be shortened to a sentence or two that would fit well in the full family article. This individual's internet popularity is on the increase but right now it's WP:TOOSOON to tell if that will hold. Might warrant a standalone article eventually. SiliconRed (he/him • talk) 16:47, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Notability is not inherited. Having some subscribers on tiktok and youtube does not give notability. The possibility of being an influencer in the next years does not give notability WP:TOOSOON. User:GuzmanTierno 8:00, 29 November 2024 (GMT)
Keep: Meets WP:GNG as you can find sources as https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/kai-trump-sanitizing-grandpa-trump-200345791.html and https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2024/11/13/kai-trump-age-parents-donald-trump-grandchildren/76259196007/ Shadow4dark (talk) 15:07, 29 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep she is her own growing brand, she says she wants to stay out of politics and grow on Youtube separately. Osnelandrejr(talk) 07:51, 29 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep or merge I would actually like to see a "Descendants" section in the Donald Trump article. People are interested in what his children or grandchildren are going to do. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ed Poor (talk • contribs) 09:08, 29 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: Meets WP:GNG. Ashik Rahik (talk) 15:48, 30 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep I made this article because Kai has used the fame afforded by her family, the most famous in the world, to garner significant attention among teenagers. There’s already been coverage, and there’ll be more as she does more stuff. The idea of Wikipedia is to make a place where people can find reliable information about things that are happening around them. Don’t cut it off. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Alpharomeo12 (talk • contribs) 14:34, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Her family being famous doesn't mean she needs a Wikipedia page. It's either delete this or merge it. Unfriendnow (talk) 18:10, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep I think she passes notability -- famous family (like Kennedy family members) and media is covering her extensively because she is providing videos into meetings at Mar-a-Lago, etc that otherwise we don't have visibility into. Deleting now would be a big mistake -- it would have to be re-created from scratch in future years.. Danski14^(talk) 14:40, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Why would it need to be re-created from scratch in future years? have other granddaughters of Presidents also had Wikipedia pages? Naomi Biden's was deleted and she had a historical wedding and was in the news, Finnegan Biden when she was in the news and attended the coronation making her and her grandmother the only member of a First Family to do so.

Why is Kai Trump so important and so different from those two? what has she really done? Unfriendnow (talk) 18:10, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Extremely notable, and I really hope this AfD wasn't created out of a political bias toward her grandfather. OldDiddlyBop (talk) 10:08, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Meets GNG due to sustained media coverage. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.13.160.78 (talk) 00:07, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]