User talk:Wjhonson

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Some essays I happen to like, and which you might want to read:

Ethics, Don't smother conflict,Advice for new administrators,Honesty, Don't call a spade a spade, Inertia Don't Beat a Dead Horse Don't spite your face Don't template the regulars Charitableness Editors matter Expert retention Five pillars of evil Negotiation

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Expert editors

I am a professional biographer, specializing in biographies of obscure persons of local historical note, as such I claim qualification as an Expert Editor on matters of Local History and Biography. Let me quote the No original research page: '"No original research" does not prohibit experts on a specific topic from adding their knowledge to Wikipedia. On the contrary, Wikipedia welcomes the contributions of experts, as long as their knowledge is verifiable. We assume, however, that someone is an expert not only because of their personal and direct knowledge of a topic, but also because of their knowledge of published sources on a topic. This policy prohibits expert editors from drawing on their personal and direct knowledge if such knowledge is unverifiable. If an expert editor has published the results of his or her research elsewhere, in a reputable publication, the editor can cite that source while writing in the third person and complying with our NPOV policy. They must cite reliable, third-party publications and may not use their unpublished knowledge, which would be impossible to verify. We hope expert editors will draw on their knowledge of published sources to enrich our articles, bearing in mind that specialists do not occupy a privileged position within Wikipedia.' Wjhonson 17:57, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

Vandalism

A user can blank their own talk page, see: Vandalism? from which I quote: " It is generally recognized that the user of a talk page has the right to blank it. (Deliberate repeated deletion of requests, such as of requests to be civil, is not vandalism. It is only WP:DICK.) "

And furthermore this: User Talk is Not Article Talk from which I quote: "Many users, including admins and at least two arbitrators, routinely remove comments from their Talk pages, and advertise this." At this point he quotes User talk:Neutrality which states "I archive when I feel like it. Depending on my whim, your comments may or may not be archived. The odds of not being archived are inversely proportional to the amount you annoy me. Please do not annoy me."

And again this: xxx

Per these statements, I am removing any "outside comment" from my talk page that I don't like as wiki policy (see Wiki:Vandalism) states quite clearly that a user "may remove any outside comment from their own talk pages at their OWN discretion" (added emphasis). Wjhonson 17:42, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

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Hawthorne

I removed the fact tag you added for Nathaniel Hawthorne. It is fairly well-known that Hawthorne himself changed the spelling of his last name. A source is already provided in the article; the lede does not need to have its own source. If what's in the article isn't enough, I'd be happy to find more sources. --Midnightdreary (talk) 01:49, 2 November 2010 (UTC)

This is a well-known fact in New England history. I'd also be happy to supply sources as well. MarmadukePercy (talk) 02:06, 2 November 2010 (UTC)

Here's a source: Hawthorne's own signature while a student at Bowdoin College. Notice he spells his name Hathorne in this early instance. [1] MarmadukePercy (talk) 02:26, 2 November 2010 (UTC)

"Fairly well-known" is not how Wikipedia works. We work by the use of actual sources which readers can verify. The source provided does not state what the article is claiming that it states. Please quote the exact words the source uses. "Well-known fact" is not a sufficient source. His signature is not a source for whether he changed it as opposed to anyone else, and it's not a source for why he might have changed it. Speculation or claims of why he or anyone else changed it are original research and an exact quote from a source needs to be used to back up a claim of that sort. Wjhonson (talk) 12:18, 2 November 2010 (UTC)

Conflict escalation

Your actions are inflammatory. You do not understand the situation, so you pour gasoline on it? That does not speak well of your ability to remain an admin in my opinion.Wjhonson (talk) 00:56, 15 December 2010 (UTC)

I do not see my actions as inflammatory. We were having a discussion a month ago. You are the one who left in the middle of it; for you to ignore that and restore the links with a note that says "do not revert without discussion" seems extraordinary, to say the least. Nevertheless, as you know, I have sought feedback. We'll see what comes of it. --Moonriddengirl ^(talk) 01:05, 15 December 2010 (UTC)

I see your actions as inflammatory. I explained very clearly why Genealogics is not a mirror nor a fork. You completely ignored my explanation and removed the link. That inflames the situation. That is not part of conflict resolution, that is part of conflict escalation. Address directly, exactly what I stated. And don't merely repeat that they copy, when I've pointed out several times, that they do not.Wjhonson (talk) 01:09, 15 December 2010 (UTC)

You left a conversation for a full month and, ignoring the input of others, restored the links. Two editors pointed out why it will not serve at Talk:Anthony Paulet. That you feel it does cannot override those concerns. You should have continued the discussion before determining to restore the links. --Moonriddengirl ^(talk) 01:15, 15 December 2010 (UTC)

There was no "conversation". There was an event, which was over. Whether two or ten editors can't grasp what a mirror or fork actually is, isn't my concern, until they interfere with scholarly research like this. Address directly the issue of whether Genealogics the site, is a mirror or fork, or whether you are going to pursue your extraordinary claim that copying a single page, suddenly makes a site of hundreds of thousands of pages, into a fork.Wjhonson (talk) 01:17, 15 December 2010 (UTC)

There was a conversation; it was not an event that was over. You left the conversation with a question posed to you. If you disagreed with the opposition you received from User:Rodw and me at Talk:Anthony Paulet, where both of us objected to the use of the link, you should have sought dispute resolution rather than returning the link to the article in the manner you did. If two editors are objecting to an action you want to take, the proper approach is to get additional feedback in the appropriate venue and manner. It is not appropriate to open a second conversation on an ongoing dispute at one noticeboard without clearly indicating what you are doing; please see our policy on Wikipedia:Consensus and particularly the notes about forum shopping. --Moonriddengirl ^(talk) 11:49, 15 December 2010 (UTC)

There was no conversation. It was an event which was over. I did not leave a conversation with a questin posed at me. There was no disagreement from two editors. There were not two editors objecting to a link. It was entirely appropriate to open a new conversation on the issue you raised, as you failed to comprehend the meaning of the language. Do not quote policy at me, that I helped write. I did clearly indicate to you that I had solicited additional feedback and I gave you, in fact, a link directly to it. Your approach in this situation has been fraught with conflict escalation and aggression. You as an admin should realize you are involved, and back away, as admins are required to do in edit conflicts in which they are involved.Wjhonson (talk) 19:30, 15 December 2010 (UTC)

Editor one; editor two; unanswered question. You may wish to review WP:INVOLVED. I have not used my administrative tools or taken any administrative action in regards to the use of this link; administrators are not prohibited from involvement in content development. --Moonriddengirl ^(talk) 19:50, 15 December 2010 (UTC)

That question was apparently rhetorical since I had already stated that the bio was copied. You didn't look at the actual page, otherwise you would have seen that the bio is only one small part of that page. A page which contains several buttons and functions you did not use, which are all germane to this conversation. You seem not aware of what genealogics is, or can do, if you think the entire page, is made up of this small portion. The bio was copied. The bio is an insignificant part of the page.Wjhonson (talk) 22:52, 15 December 2010 (UTC)

There was nothing rhetorical about that question, given that you yourself brought the copying into question: "The fact that it cites Wikipedia does not indicate it is an automatic copy." --Moonriddengirl ^(talk) 23:16, 15 December 2010 (UTC)

Then I suggest you didn't actually look at the page on Genealogics at all. Otherwise you should have seen plainly that the page is not a copy of anything. One part of the page is a copy. The rest of the page is not a copy. The only possible thing I could gather from the question, was that you hadn't looked. And now as pointed out, you want to remove one of the very sources that were used to create this page in the first place. And you don't think that's troubling.Wjhonson (talk) 23:21, 15 December 2010 (UTC)

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A fellow ogre and respect for womanhood

I enjoyed your user page and the preamble on this page immensely. Curmudgeonliness is undervalued these days. I was reminded of both Walter Matthau, and of the ruler of a rare books store where I once worked, who chain smoked a pipe. If a customer entered smoking he would roar 'PUT THAT OUT' (puff puff) -I can smoke but you can't" .

Given your prediliction for genealogy research I wanted to set you a task- finding the maiden surname and present surname of Jimmy Wales' first wife Pam. He maintains her surname is irrelevant and will not divulge it [[2]].

I believe it would be disrespectful to the woman, and to women in general, to fail to include it where she is mentioned.

When men are quoted we offer them the courtesy of using their full names.We also do so generally for women with high status.So this omission could be seen as both sexist and elitist. What do you think ?--— Tumadoireacht ^Talk/_Stalk 07:25, 20 January 2011 (UTC)

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I dont want to raise any major lynch mobs, but at least your email has been compromised and possibly other accounts you have. I just got a fairly obvious spam message from you. Werieth (talk) 16:15, 28 January 2013 (UTC)

Thanks. I've now changed my password.Wjhonson (talk) 17:42, 28 January 2013 (UTC)

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Thomas Brotherton

I know I didn't cite a source Will. But there isn't a single citation for any fact in the surrounding sections! Why single out mine? It actually is a fact but it is really covered by the OR rule. You can check page 119 of Dodnash Priory Charters which recounts a charter of 4 April 1336 concerning Thomas Brotherton which mentions his late wife Alice and his present wife Mary.

The book : Harper-Bill, Christopher, ed.. Dodnash Priory Charters. Suffolk, England: Boydell, 1998

is available on Ancestry

Doug (at Wiki) 22:35, 18 May 2013 (UTC)

I removed the tag, Will, because I placed a notice on the whole section. There are no citations for any of it. There is no need to put tags on each phrase. Doug (at Wiki) 20:01, 20 May 2013 (UTC)

As before Will. I have placed a tag on the entire section so you don't need tags on each phrase. No one phrase of the article needs more citations than any other. As per Wikipedia custom, please don't revert my changes again until the matter is resolved by consensus on the article's talk page. Doug (at Wiki) 21:10, 20 May 2013 (UTC)

That looks pretty close to vandalism in a fit of pique, Will! Never mind - when I get a free day I'll put it back together with a set of sources.Doug (at Wiki) 22:00, 21 May 2013 (UTC)

Icelandic letters (regarding your name change)

Hi, your change: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Ari_Thorgilsson&diff=557597171&oldid=544347199

I see your point. But has there been any discussion on this? This looks wrong (to Icelanders). I was thinking of reverting this but don't want to edit war (in case there are some guidelines on this). In some pages there is an explanation for Þ or Ð. See my addition of the Icelandic name template hatnote. Maybe that should explain the letters (after clicking on it). Sufficient? Alternative spelling should be in the article though. comp.arch (talk) 16:30, 9 June 2013 (UTC)

Thank you for seeing my point, which is that in the English language version, we should use English language letters and spelling. The alternative Icelandic spelling should be mentioned in the article, and presumably in the Icelandic version it should mention the English language alternative spelling.Wjhonson (talk) 16:33, 9 June 2013 (UTC)

I will move the discussion to here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Naming_conventions_(people)#What_to_do_about_Icelandic_people_.28letters_.C3.BE_and_.C3.B0.29.3F comp.arch (talk) 10:46, 10 June 2013 (UTC)

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Please read WP:BURDEN. I have returned Henry III of England to status quo ante while the discussion you've not started takes place. Next time I'll just use Twinkle to issue a warning with the reversion. I know you've been an editor here for quite a while which is why I don't understand your conduct. Chris Troutman (talk) 00:31, 2 February 2017 (UTC)

I added a very small fact to the article and was reverted with "utterly irrelevant" and you question *my* conduct? What about the conduct of an editor who is so aggressively hostile?Wjhonson (talk) 00:40, 2 February 2017 (UTC)

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Theobald Dillon, 7th Viscount Dillon

Dear Wjhonson. Thank you so very much for your intervention on the article Theobald Dillon, 7th Viscount Dillon. I see now and understand that my guess for a birth year is as you say "illogical". Also the list of brothers, which you deleted, was utterly wrong. Arthur Dillon, Count Dillon was not his brother but his son. My fault. I somehow got confused. I deeply apologise.

Luckily there are experienced Wikipedians like you who see such errors. I hope to still profit more from your expertise in biographies. I have contributed to Irish biographies in Wikipedia, but am no expert at all in these matters, new in Ireland and still unfamiliar with its history. I still consider myself a novice in Wikipedia and my English is 2nd-language.

I dared to add new lists of real brothers and sisters, which I hid in table frames. I am not sure whether your deletion was because of the brother-son confusion or because you think lists of siblings have no place in biographies. I have been criticised before for adding lists of siblings, which some users found not encyclopedic (unluckily I cannot remember now who these users were and on which article). It is true that DNB does not give such lists. However, the DNB is paper-based. I thought that such lists might be acceptable on the web when hidden (collapsed). I think I should probably hide them on all the articles where I added such lists.

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