User talk:Towaru

Hello towaru! Welcome to Wikipedia! Thank you for your contributions to this free encyclopedia. If you decide that you need help, check out Getting Help below, ask me on my talk page, or place {{helpme}} on your talk page and ask your question there. Please remember to sign your name on talk pages by clicking or using four tildes (~~~~); this will automatically produce your name and the date. Finally, please do your best to always fill in the edit summary field. Below are some useful links to facilitate your involvement. Happy editing! Towaru 22:40, 27 March 2007 (UTC) Getting started Wikipedia tutorial • The five pillars of Wikipedia How to: edit a page • upload and use images Getting help Frequently asked questions • Tips Where to ask questions or make comments Request administrator attention Policies and guidelines Attribution • Neutral point of view • Notability Conflict of interest • Autobiography Biographies of living persons Manual of Style • Citing sources • Footnotes Image use policy • Copyrights • Fair use External links • Spam • Vandalism Three-revert rule • Sock puppetry What Wikipedia is not • Deletion policy The community Build consensus • Resolve disputes Assume good faith • Civility • Etiquette No personal attacks • No legal threats Community Portal • Village pump Signpost • IRC channels • Mailing lists Writing articles Be bold in editing • Develop an article The "perfect" article • Manual of style Stubs • Categories • Disambiguation Pages needing attention • Peer review Miscellaneous User name • User pages • Talk pages Clean up: General - Spam - Vandalism Join a WikiProject • Translation Useful templates • Tools • User scripts

Sockpuppetry

Hi Towaru, I wanted to apologize for accusing you of sockpuppetry yesterday. Hindsight's 20/20, and I realized it would geographically be pretty hard for a person in Malaysia to be a sockpuppet of a Pakistani. I was quite the angry mastadon yesterday, and I apologize. VirtualEye has a history of using sockpuppets (User:Jesus Fan and User:Checkmeout101), and has been repeatedly blocked for incivility and personal attacks. Please realize that the comments I made yesterday were not directed towards you, but rather towards who I believed at the time to be a sockpuppet. Anyways, I hope you enjoy the rest of your time at Wikipedia. --Hojimachong^talk 01:47, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

No sorry needed by you, it was I who overreacted. --Hojimachong^talk 03:35, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

Re: pro or con?

Political, religious and racial views shouldn't be relevant when editing (I certainly don't!). But as I have stated, many of them are rather reactionary when touching racial, religious and political issues in Malaysia. As much as the country has its problems, there is no justification to use Wikipedia as a soapbox. Malaysia Today, blogs or YouTube, perhaps, but not Wikipedia. I'm not fond of the way both the pros and antis duke it out here like that. - Two hundred percent 01:43, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

You input

Talk:Muhammad/images#Original_Compromise_found is required at there. Please help us in reaching this compromise. Wassalam. -- ALM 12:59, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

Definition of Bumis

hi towaru. can u tell me where did u get the definition of "bumiputra"? is it really contained in the Federal Constitution of Malaysia (Article 160) ? Is that the exact text written in the constitution? I think u need to make it more clear where the definition came from. Because if it really came from Art 160 FC, then why mention again "as stated in Article 160 (2) of the Federal..." in the so called text? Unless u got the definition from somewhere else. BTW, i tried looking for a legal definition of bumiputra over the internet but i cannot find any! quite surprising. kawaputra 03:43, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

Thanks 4 the info. i think we should include in the article the fact that it came from "Buku panduan kemasukan ke institusi pengajian tinggi awam" ("Guidebook for entering into public higher learning institution")<---?. because the definition may only apply in the education sector. it might not apply in other fields eg: banking, loans, mortgages, definition of a "bumiputra company", etc.

There is also an issue now that different institutions in country have different interpretation of "bumiputra", which is not helpful. kawaputra 11:13, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

Hi. I found the full text of the constitution! The thing is, it seems that the Federal Constitution never mention the word "bumiputra". u can try and check. but where do they mention it? Maybe Article 153..

Anyway, Article 160(2) only defines what is "Malay" and "Aborigine".Arts 152-160

Article 161A(6)(a) defines "natives" of Sarawak; Art 161A(6)(b) defines "natives" of Sabah. Arts 161 - 161h

but they never define "bumiputra". but i think u can still include the definition u got from the "buku panduan", but just state la that it is from the "buku panduan". kawaputra 12:26, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

we'll help each other to get the most accurate definition (if there is any). we must also beware, maybe the link i gave u might be outdated. why is it different from the definition in the "buku panduan"? anyway if u got the full citation of the buku panduan, i think that would be useful: full title, publisher, author, year, which university, etc. is there any english translation? kawaputra^tok2me 13:26, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

that should be ok. i will create a citation in the bumi page based on what u gave me. so it should look something like this:

• "Buku panduan kemasukan ke institusi pengajian tinggi awam", Program Pengajian Lepasan SPM/Setaraf Sesi Akademik 2007/2008, Bahagian Pengurusan kemasukan Pelajar Jabatan Pengurusan IPT Kementerian Pengajian Tinggi Malaysia.

or u can do it? whichever lah :) kawaputra^tok2me 16:02, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

Quran

If you're going to ask TharkunColl to read the Qu'ran here, I suggest you should read the Bible, to avoid being a hypocrite. --71.197.149.164 17:40, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

OK, fair enough. Does that mean that after reading the Qu'ran, their criticism would be "more acceptable" somehow? And by the way, all versions of the Bible are more or less the same, just with some words switched around, much like I assume the Qu'ran is (I cannot be sure, I only own an Arabic version with English descriptions of the verses, since apparently Arabic is much more descriptive). 71.197.149.164 18:05, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for getting back to me. I was trying to point out that though Muslims see the Qu'ran as perfect, using a verse (or Sura, I think that's what they're called) from the Qu'ran won't be considered appropriate "evidence" if historical studies by other scholars exists, whether they be Muslim, Western, or any other group, according to WP:ATT and WP:RS. And I don't know what made you think I feel "unsatisfied" with you, because that's certainly not the case, I was trying to help you build your arguments into something a bit more valid. And if you're trying to defend the validity of Islam, making an argumentum ad hominem to TharkunColl probably isn't the greatest way to advance your views. Thanks for reading, 71.197.149.164 19:53, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

Requests

Please consider refraining from introducing irrelevant topics such as Holocaust denial and "Aryan superior race" to Talk:Muhammad.[1] This might be construed as trolling by other editors, and can lead to unnecessary conflict. Additionally, it is best to avoid attempts at humor on pages such as Talk:Holocaust denial.[2] Instead, I invite you to approach the topics at hand - article content - in a serious and sober manner, without digressing into your personal views. To do so will spare us all pointless conflict and help us all to get along.
I have removed a quote from your userspace which might be considered inflammatory.[3] Please bear in mind that Wikipedia is not a battleground.
I cannot emphasize enough that the removal of such problematic material will help you more than any other editor. It will invite others to perceive you as a thoughtful and neutral voice, while protecting you from unwanted controversy. Probably 80% of conflicts and resultant disciplinary actions here are based (at least nominally) in userspace and talk page posts, which do not affect mainspace and do not benefit you or those dear to you in any way.Proabivouac 08:20, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

Hi!

Hi Malaysians! Please take a note at List of schools in Malaysia. Me, Mark Chung (talk) would like to invite all Malaysians to contribute to this list. If you can understand and contribute in Malay, please have a look at http://forum.engkabang.net for more information. This project is leaded by me. If you are interested, please sign your name at User:Mark Chung/School Project Members before 17/11/2008. I will plan later steps. Thanks. --Mark Chung (talk) 10:00, 13 November 2008 (UTC)

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Invitation to the Wikipedia Selangor Meetup 1

The 3rd Wikipedia Malaysia Meetup had now arrived on Selangor! Pack your bags and your laptop, and meet some fellow Malaysia Wikipedians in the meetup!

• Date: Sunday, 11 December 2016
• Time: 12:00 - 2:00 pm
• Venue: Sudo Brew, 7 Jalan SS 22/11, Damansara Jaya, Petaling Jaya, Selangor (3°7′54.1″N 101°37′16.4″E)
• Medium of communication:
  • English language - for the general overall meetup
  • Malay language - for a special session to discuss ms.wikipedia.org (subject to enough number of participants)

This meetup was initiated by Chongkian and the invitation was written and sent by NgYShung. For more information, see the meetup page. If there is any enquires, feel free to discuss at the talk page or at the Facebook event page. (Delivered: 07:27, 24 November 2016 (UTC))

Invitation to the Wikipedia Selangor Meetup 2

The 4th Wikipedia Malaysia Meetup will be held for the second time on Selangor, and you are invited!

• Date: Saturday, 25 February 2017
• Time: 11:00 am - 1:00 pm (Malaysia Standard Time, UTC 8:00)
• Venue: Menara Sunway (check page for venue/room update), Bandar Sunway, Petaling Jaya, Selangor (3°4′8.4″N 101°36′36.6″E)
• Medium of communication:
  • English language - for the general overall meetup
  • Malay language - for Malay Wikipedia section (subject to request)

→ To collaborate between Wikipedia Malaysia User Group and Sunway Group, a large corporation in Malaysia.
→ To create Wikipedia (and other Wikimedia projects)'s articles and edit/improve articles on the spot.

This meetup was initiated by Chongkian and the invitation was written and sent by NgYShung. For more information and updates, see the meetup page. If there is any enquires, feel free to discuss at the talk page. If you wish to opt-out of any future Malaysia meetup invitation, please add your name here. (Delivered: 11:47, 22 February 2017 (UTC))

Invitation to the Wikipedia Johor Meetup 2

The 5th Wikipedia Malaysia Meetup will be held for the second time in Johor. Since it is at holiday, check it out if you have time!

• Date: Saturday, 18 March 2017
• Time: 1:00 p.m. - 3:00 p.m. (Malaysia Standard Time, UTC 8:00)
• Venue: Al-Haji Grand Restaurant, Jalan Austin Heights 8/2, Taman Mount Austin, Johor Bahru, Johor, Malaysia (1°33′43.2″N 103°46′34.6″E)
• Medium of communication:
  • English language - for the general overall meetup
  • Malay language - for Malay Wikipedia section (subject to request)

This meetup was initiated by Chongkian and the invitation was written and sent by NgYShung. For more information and updates, see the meetup page. If there is any enquirers, feel free to discuss at the talk page. If you wish to opt-out of any future Malaysia meetup invitation, please add your name here. (Delivered: 03:54, 17 March 2017 (UTC))

Invitation to the Wikipedia Kuala Lumpur Meetup 2

The 5th Wikipedia Malaysia Meetup will be held for the second time on Kuala Lumpur!

• Date: Saturday, 22 April 2017
• Time: 6:00 - 8:00pm (Malaysia Standard Time, UTC 8:00)
• Venue: FEEKA Coffee Roasters, Jalan Mesui, Bukit Bintang, Kuala Lumpur (3.1487°N 101.7084°E / 3.1487; 101.7084)
• Medium of communication:
  • English language - for the general overall meetup
  • Malay language - for Malay Wikipedia section (subject to request)

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→ To talk about the past Wikimedia Conference 2017 in Germany, Creative Commons, Malay Wikipedia and the upcoming Wikipedia East, Southeast Asia & Pacific Conference 2018 in Indonesia.
→ Forming a Wikipedia Malaysia User Group, coordinating East Malaysia-related affairs and training newcomer Wikipedia editors.
→ And a lot more!

This meetup was initiated by Chongkian and the invitation was written and sent by QianCheng. For more information and updates, see the meetup page. If there is any enquires, feel free to discuss at the talk page. If you wish to opt-out of any future Malaysia meetup invitation, please remove your name here. (Delivered: 06:01, 14 April 2017 (UTC))