User talk:MikeAllen/Jan-May 2023

Hello!

Mike, I wanted to say hello, and that it is good to see you around again! Hope all is well. :) Erik (talk | contrib) ^{(ping me)} 14:30, 15 December 2022 (UTC)

Hi Erik! I really have no particular reason why I quit editing for so long. Maybe because I was in my early 20s starting new things in real life and now I'm in my early 30s and have no life lol. It is great to see you are still active here, you were one the editors I really admired here. I've just been trying to catch up on new ways to do things. Thanks for the message.  :) Mike Allen 15:41, 15 December 2022 (UTC)

Welcome back! I would say to check out WP:LIBRARY since that is likely new for you and good for in-depth research about certain topics. Other than that, the MOS has changed a little but not too much. There's a new review-aggregator fad in town to use templates to write Rotten Tomatoes and Metacritic the exact same way across articles, which I really loathe... There also seems to be a new tendency lately for editors to add in the lead section their OR take on how critics received a film overall. Lugnuts got kicked off Wikipedia. I'm trying to encourage better practices in some ways with my essay User:Erik/Best practices, but it's a very uphill battle. If you have thoughts as a reader about any of these practices, feel free to share and challenge anything. Erik (talk | contrib) ^{(ping me)} 14:45, 16 December 2022 (UTC)

I'm seeing a lot more use of templates. Like {{plainlist}} inside infoboxes, {{Short description}}, {{Use mdy dates}}, etc. Also, I saw that RT template being used on a few big articles like Avatar: The Way of Water and thought it was the norm now. So, I added it to the Saw articles (GAs that are way outdated and am now trying to go in and save). 😞 I have noticed quite of few editors from back then have been banned. :\ Thanks. I will check out the essay.

Gerard Johnstone

Just stopping by to say thank you; that's very good work! Schwede66 17:35, 14 January 2023 (UTC)

Thank you very much! It is my first BLP article to create, so it's reassuring that an administrator approves. :) Mike Allen 17:49, 14 January 2023 (UTC)

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"Municipal Pictures" listed at Redirects for discussion

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Persistent reversion of my edit

Dude why do u keep on reverting my edit at Jessica Lange's page?. U also stated i give no reason for the change of edit. Which is a big fat lie btw. I plainly said my change was the caption and image, of which i noted. Do me a favor and please stop being a nuisance! IslandScholar (talk) 02:48, 18 January 2023 (UTC)

cocaine bear Ray Liotta

Hello Mike my name is Reed Jenkins so earlier last month I made a change on cocaine bear adding who Ray Liotta protrays however sometime this week you removed it because i did not source it i dont know how to source stuff but i just want to say the change i made is true i just dont know how to put sources in but if you google cocaine bear cast you will see its true iam sorry if i sound rude iam not trying to be but anyway have a nice day Reedjenkins1234 (talk) 15:09, 27 January 2023 (UTC)

What site is it? You can copy and paste the link on this talk page. I have searched for his character names in reliable sources like Variety, which write "It’s not clear who Liotta is playing in “Cocaine Bear,” which wrapped filming in Ireland last October.' Collider doesn't include a character name. His name is supposed to be "The Bear"? Mike Allen 15:28, 27 January 2023 (UTC)

https://www.google.com/search?q=cocaine bear&rlz=1C1GCEA_enUS992US992&oq=co&aqs=chrome.1.69i59l4j69i60l4.3351j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&safe=active&ssui=on#wptab=si:AEcPFx5m7Nylg00wpE-iI3fN8-AfSDNfZqA7NKPDMKmG1MgjOhCtz3XVxKdMdK29gG4M7YX8g3pxhP9V5penVp8bo2FWxeKCSbC2NkFlfCFtyGZq3UYoFE8SwqvkqgJMFtffeminbPfFWyNSUBAVNbd5X43wPSBCuw== it should say it on here Reedjenkins1234 (talk) 18:37, 27 January 2023 (UTC)

it should say his character's name is dentwood in the cast list Reedjenkins1234 (talk) 18:41, 27 January 2023 (UTC)

Found it.  Done Thanks. Mike Allen 18:53, 27 January 2023 (UTC)

your welcome Reedjenkins1234 (talk) 19:02, 27 January 2023 (UTC)

Babylon cast list changes

I know you usually handle lots of things on Babylon, but was it necessary to strip all description away from the cast members? That's over 3900 bytes or whatever which were erased.

It's not life or death, but just wondering. Was it so harmful to have the extra description? (By the way, you may've noticed I've been policing the cast section too, recently, defending the status quo from disruptors.) Thanks. Just curious. Be well. 47.149.214.237 (talk) 06:22, 31 January 2023 (UTC)

Hello. Yes, when the film has a plot section, plot in a cast list section is usually removed if there is no critical commentary attached. The Dark Knight has descriptions, but in the Casting section is filled with critical commentary on their roles. Citations are removed because the film is the primary source (we don't need third party sources to confirm a cast). A lot of data you saw be removed were mostly references. Thank you for the help on keeping the plot section within range. Mike Allen 15:31, 31 January 2023 (UTC)

Not OR

Just so you know this edit isn't necessarily OR since this was seen in the movie, however consensus says to not include it. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 15:27, 2 February 2023 (UTC)

"could be seen hinting at his importance in the third film" is definitely OR. Mike Allen 15:30, 2 February 2023 (UTC)

Yes, that bit is OR (altho they aren't wrong in that post- and mid-credit scenes usually hint at what might happen in the next movie), altho it's really just going against consensus. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 15:31, 2 February 2023 (UTC)

It seems really only the Marvel film pages get to include post-credit scenes. Mike Allen 15:35, 2 February 2023 (UTC)

Really they shouldn't per WP:FILMPLOT unless consensus says otherwise. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 15:38, 2 February 2023 (UTC)

I guess those post-credits are more notable since the media reports on it more. 🤷‍♂️ Mike Allen 15:41, 2 February 2023 (UTC)

Five Nights at Freddy's movie

Why did you delete all those 4 edits that I recently made on the Five Nights at Freddy's movie page ?? And without even giving any explanation?? I gave all the sources for them, I don't see what's the problem! Yaya0108 (talk) 20:39, 3 February 2023 (UTC)

Yet again we can not use Twitter and IMDb (WP:RSTWITTER, WP:IMDB) and the other sites are not WP:RS. This is not a Fandom, so we need reliable third party sources to verify anything you add that may be challenged. You also deleted reliable sources for the filming. I would suggest you read up more on Wikipedia guidelines and editing policies before making any more edits. Thanks. Mike Allen 20:45, 3 February 2023 (UTC)

CSD G13s

Hello, Mike,

You are tagging some expiring drafts too early. For example, only drafts that were last edited on August 9, 2022 (or earlier) are eligible to be deeted under the CSD G13 criteria. By editing the page to tag it, you are delaying the deletion for another 6 months so the articles you incorrectly tagged today will not be eligible again for a G13 deletion until August 9, 2023 (that is, if no one else edits the page). It might seem overly bureaucratic but it's just another policy guideline that we follow on Wikipedia. Thank you. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 18:28, 9 February 2023 (UTC)

Hi Liz, thanks for letting me know. I figured it was redundant to have an old Draft:Five Nights at Freddy's (original film) when there is now a Five Nights at Freddy's (film) in mainspace. I should have waited just a few more days. Sigh. Mike Allen 18:40, 9 February 2023 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/NBC Sky World News

Thanks for your detailed recommendation about the merge. Most people just say "merge!" without offering any details about what should be merged, or where it should go in the target article. As the editor who handles most of the AfD merges, comments like yours make the task so much easier. Cheers! Joyous! | Talk 19:34, 11 February 2023 (UTC)

Hi @Joyous!: Thank you. Are you already working on the merge? If not, I can perform it. I forgot about the AfD until now. Mike Allen 19:41, 11 February 2023 (UTC)

I have completed it. It was my first time merging content, so I hope it was done correctly. Mike Allen 20:34, 11 February 2023 (UTC)

Looks perfect to me! Thanks again! Joyous! | Talk 21:00, 11 February 2023 (UTC)

My bad.

Hey I wanna apologize for my sour behavior in the reversion sentence, I actually did read the template page which is why I initially reverted the edit, but then I did in fact do some research and discovered the ViacomCBS banner name didn't occur until November 2019, but in August it was still just Viacom. It now just seems to me you had a misunderstanding of the edit history. GalaxyFighter55 (talk) 05:55, 18 February 2023 (UTC)

It appears you are correct about the times of the merger thus the company name at the time of release. My apologies for the revert. Mike Allen 14:20, 18 February 2023 (UTC)

User space Draft

Hi there. I was unsure on whether you wanted to have User:MikeAllen/Sweetwater (2023 film) published in mainspace, or you were still working on it as a user space draft. I assumed the latter case so moved it to your user space. If you intended to publish it, you can always just move it back. The Night Watch (talk) 01:38, 20 February 2023 (UTC)

@The Night Watch: I did not mean to post it to the mainspace yet. Oops. Thanks for catching that and moving it. Mike Allen 01:43, 20 February 2023 (UTC)

Your submission at Articles for creation: Hell of a Summer (February 20)

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@InterstellarGamer12321: I didn't create the article, I just came through and gave it updates to show it passes WP:NFF and resubmitted it. But I agree.... it may not get bought at the European Film Market or acquired ever. Mike Allen 16:48, 20 February 2023 (UTC)

Dangerous ground...

I dunno Mike, should we really be getting into an argument with a FACT CHECKER? They are always right about everything... DonIago (talk) 03:10, 23 February 2023 (UTC)

Yup, a fact checking sock. 🙃 Mike Allen 05:11, 23 February 2023 (UTC)

I wish my socks were as tenacious as this fact checker. DonIago (talk) 17:30, 23 February 2023 (UTC)

Mario Movie edit

I recently put down that Nintendo are showing the final trailer for the movie in their Nintendo Direct on March 9th and i found out that you deleted it. DO NOT REMOVE IN FUTURE. Jac Clow (talk) 09:02, 23 February 2023 (UTC)

Wikipedia isn't a news service. We don't document every marketing detail. A final trailer will be released? Not encyclopedic, at all. Read the WP:SIMPLE guidelines before editing again. (And I'm not the only one reverting it, but if I see it, I sure will again). Happy editing! Mike Allen 13:45, 23 February 2023 (UTC)

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DIe Hard with a Vengeance...maybe a bigger mess than we realized?

So I'm digging through the article history trying to find the source of that OR section because WIkiblame was taking to long to load the search. In the process I noticed some other oddities on the page and, frankly, you're probably better equipped to figure out what to do with them than I am; I still mostly stick to vandal patrol and polishing weird sentences (i.e. plots). I noticed there are several very large additions in at least two of the refs; they're massive quotes from the attached refs. Search the page for "next project" and you'll find the first one I found. There's got to be a better way to handle that info, right? I know we do that with a sentence or two on occasion but that seemed extreme to me.

Sifting through that lead me to this in which someone seems to have removed an entire ref at some point (and drastically lowered the quality of the prose), unless I'm missing it getting readded later. And if my hunch is right that that's an edit that should have been caught at the time, you'll cry when you check the related contribs for that editor.

The OR was added by an IP in 2015 btw. Oops lol? Millahnna (talk) 18:41, 24 February 2023 (UTC)

@Millahnna: Oh my.. I wished you wouldn't have showed me that. LOL. Wow. It's very unclear which content is being sourced when they throw 6 and 7 refs together at the end of the paragraphs. The first and third paragraph has no source at all. I think it should be reverted to before they added it and drop a note on their talk page (last edit was on January 22, 2023) asking them to explain that edit. No edit summary, of course. Quotes shouldn't be that long in a ref at all.

2015, doesn't shock me. I've been flabbergasted at the amount of unsourced mess I've seen (especially on BLP) the last couple of months that has, on some occasions, sit for over 10 years! Mike Allen 19:13, 24 February 2023 (UTC)

Dude I wish I hadn't seen it. There's a lot of very large contributions to various pages (at least two on this film alone) in that person's history and I have no desire to go digging through them all but I'm gonna try to fix what I can. I wonder if it's worth asking for help from related projects for some of the articles. This is the first time I've been around a lot in years. I've mostly been drive by editing as I spot typos and the like. I'm starting to remember why I dipped out for a good long while. But I do so enjoy the dry AF artform that is writing plot summaries for wikipedia. That and I have writer's block on my fiction writing. Sometimes I shake something loose if I poke around here and on fandom wikis enough. Millahnna (talk) 19:27, 24 February 2023 (UTC)

I reverted it and pinged them in the edit summary. They have a long history of being warned about doing those type of edits (and copyright warnings). I'll be going through their edits too... I see he hit the Resident Evil (film) page. And just so many.. Sigh. Mike Allen 19:48, 24 February 2023 (UTC)

@Millahnna: I went through a reverted quite a few edits. He writes a lot of content and include sources (a lot are forums, twitter, fan sites) to make it appear like it's well sourced and he isn't adding WP:OR into the page. And he's been doing it for years. Mike Allen 20:19, 24 February 2023 (UTC)

Ugh. I'm distracted right now by another oddity right now, but I'm probably coming back to this tonight. I followed a vandal to an admin's page last night and in the process I found what is probably just some kid goofing off but possibly a tip on where a missing kid near my area is located. The admin has better tools to check into this kind of nonsense but compulsion is a hell of a drug so I'm digging. Millahnna (talk) 20:25, 24 February 2023 (UTC)

Jasmin Savoy Brown

Somebody removed Jasmin Savoy Brown on cast list of Scream VI. Can you fix it? 2A02:C7C:5ADE:9E00:CDBD:C42A:3D88:EAB8 (talk) 00:31, 26 February 2023 (UTC)

Jesus Revolution reviews etc.

Actually, the Berardinelli review is on both Tomatoes and Metacritic... but I don't see it as being the "one official site summary" of Jesus Revolution on either site. Am I missing something? Thanks. 47.149.214.237 (talk) 19:13, 2 March 2023 (UTC)

I have actually removed it after looking it over. Not sure where that statement is coming from. Rotten Tomatoes doesn't have a consensus listed. Mike Allen 19:18, 2 March 2023 (UTC)

Resident Evil wiki pages and other stuff

Well, you seem like an Wiki expert, to say the least, lol! So, let's hear it. What can i do to fix some of my latest posts etc... As i'm sure it's obvious, i'm trying to do my best with finding right sources (books, magazines, articles, interviews...), details and whatnot, but i'm not exactly, shall we say, 24/7 on this Wikipedia. Mostly i just like to share anything interesting i can find about films/video games i like, if it's not already included. And look, i'll be first to say, i'm not the best at adding this stuff in official Wikipedia pages, and the fact that i'm doing this very rarely is probably not helping to gain some experience and, well, knowledge. So, i'm open to suggestions. Andrew Ryder (talk) 15:48, 5 March 2023 (UTC)

Hello @Andrew Ryder: So, there are a few things about your edits that need discussing. You don't need to include quotes with every ref (and certainly not very long ones). It becomes a potential copyright issue. Some of the sources I have seen you use are, forums, fansites, and primary sources like YouTube, Twitter, and Reddit. Please check out those links on why we almost always avoid using those sites as reliable sources. Also, where you place your citations matter. Sometimes it is not clear what content/sentence is being sourced. See WP:INTEGRITY. It's very helpful when you use edit summaries, especially when you perform large edits. How do you access the offline sources that you include? Like Fangoria and such.

A couple of examples:

• In Resident Evil you wrote, "Sarah Michelle Gellar was also originally set to star as Alice, and at one point during development Jennifer Love Hewitt, Kirsten Dunst, and Natasha Henstridge were all in the running to play Jill Valentine, but due to the amount of nudity in the role they all turned it down, and the character was written out in later versions of the script. The source actually says: "It's not clear why any of these actresses ultimately turned down/weren't hired on for the film, but one reason is said to be the amount of nudity involved, which makes sense, as Jovovich was indeed naked or barely clothed for awhile early on in the film. That said, one assumes Henstridge wasn't too concerned about that, having been nude for much of Species." The source contradicts itself and it's pretty much a rumor. Screen Rant is generally an OK source, but I would like to try and find more sources about them being in the running to play Alice.
• In Demolition Man, you used YouTube videos and other unreliable sites to gather WP:INDISCRIMINATE and WP:OR trivia details to write that. You even mention you thought you seen it on WP:IMDB. The sources you included: YouTube video is not available. ManlyMovie doesn't seem reliable (and the video has been removed). This site is not reliable. Other YouTube videos are copyright violations (the uploader is not the copyright holder). This site is not reliable.

Mike Allen 18:43, 5 March 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for your reply and advice! I'll have to save the link for this for next time when i'm editing some page, at least to help me out with figuring the whole copyright thing i just keep getting into. Sorry if i caused you any headaches with my more longer edits, i just got used to share as much as info as i can to everyone about films i like, and some history behind each of those. I'd always get lots of praise and thanks for that, so i guess i didn't expect i could get into trouble doing that here. But to tell you the truth, i actually try to keep info like that short and to the point. Like the one i originally wrote for Die Hard With a Vengeance. Trust me, that was actually a short version of detailing troubled development which the film had. I don't think i could fit everything about films which went through similar production chaos on pages like this one if i didn't focus just on more important or interesting parts :) Andrew Ryder (talk) 19:35, 5 March 2023 (UTC)

Paramount Animation and Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles: Mutant Mayhem

It seems like this has been a discussion on the Mutant Mayhem page for a long time, but there is a debate going on on whether Paramount Animation is a production company on the film or not. I personally don't think it is and feel we should wait before jumping the gun for numerous reasons. The first being that it was never mentioned in the original announcement by Deadline in June 2020. The second is that their logo doesn't appear at the beginning or end of the new teaser trailer. The third is that their logo doesn't appear anywhere on the film's poster, like with the other Paramount Animation films.

I am asking you now because this debate has been the center of numerous edit wars, and I want to avoid things getting ugly. Similar cases have happened before with Paw Patrol: The Movie and Paws of Fury: The Legend of Hank, which we're proved to have no involvement with Paramount Animation. We need to finally settle this.

Zingo156 (talk) 15:10, 8 March 2023 (UTC)

Hello. I will be honest, I am not that familiar with these films and the production. But I did a little research and I've left a comment on the page's talk page.Mike Allen 15:28, 8 March 2023 (UTC)

It's fine. Thanks for replying so quickly! Zingo156 (talk) 15:45, 8 March 2023 (UTC)

I didn't think I'll be back here, but I don't think a specific editor ZX2006XZ is going to take my word for it. Could you help settle things. Zingo156 (talk) 14:10, 9 March 2023 (UTC)

@Zingo156@MikeAllen I apologize for any sort of confusion, but I am 100% sure that Paramount Animation is involved with Mutant Mayhem. Recently, I mentioned in an edit that Paramount Animation is most likely involved according to an employee's LinkedIn profile. I won't say names because anonymity, but on the profile, Mutant Mayhem is one of the films listed on the profile underneath Paramount Animation, between Untitled Animated Transformers Film (2024) and The Tiger’s Apprentice (2023). Additionally, in the activity section, Mutant Mayhem is also shown.

So what I am trying to propose is that Paramount Animation is left in Mutant Mayhem's article, perhaps for the time being. ZX2006XZ (talk) 15:22, 9 March 2023 (UTC)

@ZX2006XZ: Why? There is no reliable source to back it up. Mike Allen 15:23, 9 March 2023 (UTC)

@Zingo156@MikeAllen Following up on my reply, the article for The Super Mario Bros. Movie prior to the first trailer's release used a LinkedIn profile to cite production being underway by September 2020. Link ZX2006XZ (talk) 15:24, 9 March 2023 (UTC)

And it's also worth noting that Ramsey Ann Naito, current president of both Paramount Animation and Nickelodeon Animation did oversee the production of Mutant Mayhem, as stated here. this does mean that Paramount Animation was more or less involved. ZX2006XZ (talk) 15:29, 9 March 2023 (UTC)

@Zingo156@MikeAllen So, yeah, I suggest we keep the LinkedIn profile as a source. ZX2006XZ (talk) 15:30, 9 March 2023 (UTC)

We usually do not use sources like that. See WP:LINKEDIN. What is the Linkedin page that you are wanting to use? My thought is, if it is not in third party sources than we shouldn't use it. If Paramount Animation is involved as a production company it would be in the poster and trailer. What is the rush? Also, this should be discussed on the film talk page. Mike Allen 15:32, 9 March 2023 (UTC)

@MikeAllen@Zingo156 Okay. I meant to add the LinkedIn link to this discussion but forgot to, so here it is: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ryantwalton

Anything else about this I will talk about in the talk section of Mutant Mayhem. ZX2006XZ (talk) 20:39, 9 March 2023 (UTC)

As already said, we should wait until we know more, since nearly all articles refer to the film as a Nickelodeon/Point Grey production, and Paramount Animation's logo and copyright information is nowhere in the trailer or poster. You can't base your whole thesis on one LinkedIn account. Also, your point on Ramsey Naito doesn't make sense. That'll be like calling The Super Mario Bros. Movie a Dreamworks/Illumination production because Chris Meledandri overlooks both studios. Zingo156 (talk) 20:54, 9 March 2023 (UTC)

Cast section sourcing

As far as I know, everything on Wikipedia needs to be sourced, except for the lead and plot section. This includes the Cast section, even if the same info is already referenced further down the page. InfiniteNexus (talk) 01:26, 10 March 2023 (UTC)

Hello. What is being sourced other than the actor and role? The cast descriptions (which I despise once a plot is written) is only sourced to the film. The character names are not in most of the sources provided. It just seems we are having references just for the sake of having one shown. I don't normally see references in cast list for films that have been released, unless there is real world content included (casting notes, etc) or there is no casting section. Maybe things have changed, I have only been back for 3 months. If you feel they are needed, I'm not going to revert. Also, I agree that cameos/uncredited roles require sources. I've been trying to find one for Ulrich.Mike Allen 01:33, 10 March 2023 (UTC)

While I know there are some film articles that have unsourced cast sections, it is still considered good practice to include references where possible. I don't know if it's a "requirement", but some references are always better than no references, even if they only partially support the material. InfiniteNexus (talk) 16:40, 10 March 2023 (UTC)

Typically when a Cast section isn't sourced it's because the cast members listed are credited within the film itself. Much as we don't source the Plot section on the grounds that it's just a summary of the film and consequently the film is a reasonable WP:PRIMARY source, the Cast list doesn't typically need a source except for uncredited roles or such. I don't see how it adds anything to source the Cast list if it's reasonable to assume it's derived from the film. DonIago (talk) 04:26, 11 March 2023 (UTC)

The problem with that approach is that it's difficult for editors who haven't seen a film to identify attempts to add incorrect information. Say for instance you haven't seen a certain film, and you see an IP add an actor to the cast list, claiming they are in the credits. Normally, you can revert the addition and ask for a source, but if sources aren't required in that section, how can an editor easily verify the IP's claims? InfiniteNexus (talk) 18:56, 11 March 2023 (UTC)

You can check IMDb? You can message the IP? You can tag it with a CN tag? You can ask at the article's Talk page? There are options here... DonIago (talk) 04:49, 12 March 2023 (UTC)

An even better approach would be to add references to the Cast section. Long story short, I see no harm in including references in the Cast section, and I definitely don't think we should be removing references that are already there. InfiniteNexus (talk) 17:26, 12 March 2023 (UTC)

You're welcome to add refs, but I suspect other editors may feel they're unnecessary if the film itself already credits the people in question, so honestly by and large it seems like a waste of time to me and may result in needless disputes with other editors. I think editors would tend to classify me as a deletionist, and even I think this sounds overly pedantic.

As you haven't provided any specific examples in this thread, I'm unsure as to the reason for your concern, but I'd recommend you bring this up at WT:FILM to see how other editors feel before you start making any changes along these lines. DonIago (talk) 03:48, 13 March 2023 (UTC)

I made this post because MikeAllen removed several references from the cast section on Scream VI after the film was released, as seen here. I reverted their edit, but was re-reverted. Do you believe these references should be removed, since they were already there anyway? InfiniteNexus (talk) 15:44, 13 March 2023 (UTC)

I think that if the Cast section is just regurgitating information that one can get from the film itself then there's no need for references. If it's including information above and beyond that (including uncredited roles), then sources should be provided. I hope this helps? DonIago (talk) 04:21, 14 March 2023 (UTC)

Yes, there's no need, but if the references are already there, I still think there's no harm in keeping them. Why remove references when there's no reason to do so, even if they aren't strictly necessary? InfiniteNexus (talk) 04:48, 14 March 2023 (UTC)

Mike responded to you regarding the specific case you highlighted, and I responded with my thoughts in more general cases. If that's not to your satisfaction, I think you'll need to raise your concerns at the article's Talk page and/or WT:FILM to get the opinions of other editors. DonIago (talk) 14:37, 21 March 2023 (UTC)

Night Swim

Hey! Not sure if you know but Night Swim started filming today check out Bryce McGuire’s Instagram story or Charlie Sarroff (the cinematographer) story on Instagram. If you can make the draft page live that would be cool :) 2600:8801:100B:9F00:E030:2F13:9B11:CB39 (talk) 05:16, 15 March 2023 (UTC)

Hi. We can’t really use Instagram stories for sources. I’m sure Blood Disgusting or other news sources will post about filming beginning, hopefully today. Mike Allen 11:48, 15 March 2023 (UTC)

I would like to add to this convo that James Wan posted on his Instagram on set of the film here https://www.instagram.com/p/Cq6QLzZPZEf/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y= also the source on the filming section has a link of when it started shooting the film should be in the main space in my opinion hopefully you can fix that. Thanks! Prayforhaiti (talk) 15:56, 16 April 2023 (UTC)

Thanks. I will check it out later today when I’m not on mobile. Mike Allen 22:31, 16 April 2023 (UTC)

Revert?

I am new at this. I noticed u keep on reverting my edits. Just because a source is not given to verify what's stated on a page is true or false. It doesn't mean it's not true. There are lots of pages on Wikipedia that doesn't have sourced verification, but yet u people don't target those. Please quit the hypocrisy! TypeWriter686 (talk) 02:36, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

You should read WP:BLPSOURCES. I would also suggest you not edit anymore biographies until you fully understand the guidelines and policies. Mike Allen 02:39, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

What Does It Take to Reach a Compromise?

I conducted no original research in editing The Super Mario Bros. Movie’s cast section so it says Mario is not a native Italian man, like he is in the games. This allegation is false as I based the edit on pre-established research from other sources in the article, which clearly state that he resides in New York City this time. What does it take to reach a compromise with you, Michael Allen? I’ve already had a low opinion of you ever since you acted like a total drama queen when you briefly removed the Marketing section the first time. Please don’t make this conflict escalate more than it needs to. Colonel Knight Rider (talk) 14:40, 25 March 2023 (UTC)

It's obvious you confuse Wikipedia with Fandom. And I don't care what you think of me. lol Mike Allen 14:48, 25 March 2023 (UTC)

Wow, I was expecting a lot more professionalism from an illustrious Wikipedia user such as yourself. I tried to be civil and open to compromise, but you thought it would be better to get up on your high horse and directly insult me by making a factually incorrect assumption about me despite not even knowing who I am. All topped off with an “lol” with no capital letters despite it being an acronym. How old are you?

There is clearly a source later in the article that says that Aaron Horvath and Michael Jelenic wanted to make them Italian AMERICAN, not Italian. And yet, you and you hypocritically refuse to reflect the very same in the voice cast section. I don’t want to start an edit war, but I simply cannot allow this mistake based on the article you cite, which really only says that Mario is Italian in the games, not the movie, to go uncorrected. If I cannot use the sources listed in the production section that confirm he’s Amerucan this time in the voice cast section, then there must be another arrangement we can come to. Colonel Knight Rider (talk) 09:01, 28 March 2023 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) Not interested in getting involved in the personal dispute, but could you specify which source refers to the characters being Italian-American? I did a cursory review and I couldn't find that term in use, and the citation provided in the Cast section specifically says Italian. This is seeming like a topic that might be better discussed at the article's Talk page if you haven't already initiated such a conversation...at minimum, the Cast section should be updated with a source that specifies Italian-American if you wish to describe the characters in that manner. Cheers. DonIago (talk) 13:43, 28 March 2023 (UTC)

Not once have they ever engaged in a discussion on the film talk page (even after being formally invited by me). They rather come to my talk page to belittle me ("drama queen"). This is why I don't waste energy with these type of Wiki users. Funny thing is, I didn't revert it back, this editor did, but you don't see Knight Rider swooping in on their talk page. It sounds like they are still bothered about not being able to have every movie trailer that was released be dissected by Twitter users under the 'Marketing ' section. Mike Allen 14:13, 28 March 2023 (UTC)

Okay, Mike, I don’t think you quite understand where I'm coming from. I did not mean that you personally are a drama queen. Rather, I meant that, on the article's talk page, you wrote about the marketing section in a manner I would describe as a bit hyperbolic. It's not a personal insult. I'm not here to stir up drama. I want to reach a compromise, and I thank and appreciate @DonIago for directing me to where I need to go because, honestly, I didn't stop to consider where I should go—the talk page, or the editor's page? Moreover, I don't care about your removal of Twitter citations as long as we still cite sources in a way that doesn't make Pratt apologists look like the majority, as per the neutral point of view policy. I'm sorry I chose the wrong page to discuss this issue, but I assure you, Mike, that nobody is stalking you. I only want to have a civil discussion. To this end, I will go to the article's talk page instead. Thank you for your time. Colonel Knight Rider (talk) 18:08, 28 March 2023 (UTC)

If it helps, I usually think of the dividing line between an editor's Talk page and an article's Talk page as whether you want a conversation to be private/conduct-focused, or if you want to ask them a question directly, versus whether you want it to be public/content-focused. As an example, if I see an editor who I know, or who definitely isn't new to WP, making an edit I don't understand but that's not any sort of clear policy issue, I'll usually approach them directly first to get some clarity regarding why they made the edit...but if their explanation doesn't really address my concerns, I regard the article's Talk page as my next escalation point, because that's where other editors can review the matter and we can hopefully form a consensus. Cheers. DonIago (talk) 19:04, 28 March 2023 (UTC)

Just curious…

Not trying to be weird, but do you by any chance work for a movie studio? I was watching this one movie (can’t recall the name) and noticed at the end credits there was a person named “Mike Allen”. Since you also have a film/television internet, I’m just curious. Thanks 🍻 Wolfquack (talk) 23:21, 29 March 2023 (UTC)

No I don't work at all in the film industry. That is just my first and middle name.  :) Mike Allen 23:29, 29 March 2023 (UTC)

Haha thanks have a good day :D 🍻 Wolfquack (talk) 23:34, 29 March 2023 (UTC)

Deprecated infobox params

Thanks for your efforts in removing the deprecated television infobox parameters. However, FYI, |related= is not a deprecated parameter. I noticed that you're removing it in some of your edits (specifically [1] and [2]). This shouldn't be removed as deprecated (although it could be removed if the specific value was not in fact related, but that's a different discussion). ButlerBlog (talk) 16:15, 30 March 2023 (UTC)

My apologies. I thought the whole "Chronology" section was deprecated. Thanks for the heads up. Mike Allen 16:39, 30 March 2023 (UTC)

The discussion was headed that way, but in the end, only the |preceded_by= and |followed_by= chronology were removed. Those two values (if they exist) can potentially be moved to |related= if they are, in fact, related. ButlerBlog (talk) 16:49, 30 March 2023 (UTC)

Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles: Mutant Mayhem casting

I'm sorry to bother you again. I have been trying to make the casting part of the Production section of the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles: Mutant Mayhem page look tidy (I have been tidying up this page in general), as well as reflect all the sources used. I am unsure of whether I succeeded, so could you please help me out? Actually, it would be cool if you could review the page in general. Zingo156 (talk) 19:04, 1 April 2023 (UTC)

Hello. I will do a full review by tomorrow night for you. Mike Allen 02:46, 2 April 2023 (UTC)

Thank you very much Zingo156 (talk) 08:48, 2 April 2023 (UTC)

I did some minor copyediting. It is well-sourced (with properly formatted citations) and well written. Great job! Mike Allen 02:39, 3 April 2023 (UTC)

Hi, this is about Mutant Mayhem again. I can't tell whether the third paragraph of the "Casting and recording" section sounds right.  Honestly, I just wish the article could get more input from other editors. I am new to this stuff, so I keep second guessing every edit I make. Zingo156 (talk) 15:16, 24 April 2023 (UTC)

It reads well to me. It's informative and engaging. It looks like you are doing a good job on the article. Don't worry about other editors not editing the page, sometimes that may be a good thing. Mike Allen 16:10, 24 April 2023 (UTC)

Reverted edit in Operation Fortune: Ruse de Guerre‬

I added the note about Ritchie and Statham's fifth collaboration because I found similar notes in the intro paragraph of previous collaborations. Cf. Wrath of Man. If this one's non notable, then the latter isn't as well and should be removed for consistency's sake. So please either do that, or revert. Your choice. Although, I believe every time a director is known for such collaborations with a recurring cast, Wikipedia articles have been noting that fact and I personally always found it useful. Kumagoro-42 (talk) 21:54, 5 April 2023 (UTC)

The fifth collaboration is notable? So that means all of the collaborations are notable? Do reliable sources call this notable? Mike Allen 21:58, 5 April 2023 (UTC)

Upload version of poster without billing block

I noticed that you uploaded a version of the poster for the Mario Movie that didn't have the billing block. May I ask why you did this? ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 03:31, 6 April 2023 (UTC)

The billing block was unreadable and there were no official version with a billing block that could be found anywhere. Even the source that was used from a Twitter account did not have a billing block. Mike Allen 03:47, 6 April 2023 (UTC)

There is the archive talk page with Jurassic World Dominion about billing block posters, which can be seen here. LancedSoul (talk) 05:28, 6 April 2023 (UTC)

The poster that was uploaded was sourced to a Twitter account with no billing block. Same as with Universal, IMP, Rotten Tomatoes. There's no valid reason to have a poster that is not official, with words that can no be read at a higher quality (because it seemingly does not exist). Mike Allen 06:14, 6 April 2023 (UTC)

Um actually, the poster with billing block can be found with [extremely well-hidden press site]. See [[3]], and if you scroll down to the bottom, you'll find the poster with billing block, that's all. LancedSoul (talk) 06:32, 6 April 2023 (UTC)

Thanks, it's being uploading now. Mike Allen 06:45, 6 April 2023 (UTC)

@LancedSoul: You're welcome! InfiniteNexus (talk) 18:30, 6 April 2023 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Original Barnstar
	For your long history of contributions to the project. In particular for you help in uncovering a nest of sockpuppets at ANI. Thank you... Ad Orientem (talk) 01:44, 10 April 2023 (UTC)

Mario Bros Article WP:3RR

Hi MikeAllen, while I believe your edits to be well within the bounds of WP:GOODFAITH I noticed you've made more than three reverts in the past 24h. While I'm unlikely to take this to any sort of noticeboard, I just wanted to drop a note suggesting perhaps a short day or two WP:WIKIBREAK may be in order? Best regard, Kcmastrpc (talk) 00:03, 11 April 2023 (UTC)

Hello. I didn't realize I have. What same reverts was it? I will probably just wait until the new blows over and go in and do corrections. It's impossible with so many new editors coming in since it released. It seems to be in good hands with other editors so I may actually take a little break from that article. It's getting exhausting. Mike Allen 00:14, 11 April 2023 (UTC)

No worries, that was my presumption. It wasn't the same material, but across two or three different parts of the article. Nevertheless, WP:3RR is pretty clear that reverts are irrespective of the content specifically but generalized across the entire article. Anyhow, thank you for being civil and I'm sure, as you've pointed out, things will settle down in a couple of weeks. Kcmastrpc (talk) 00:20, 11 April 2023 (UTC)

Fissures (film)

Hello,

I just read this edit you made back in February this year, after one by me that was more or less reverting you. I think I have to insist: the tone of your summary was not appropriate the 1st time and even rude the second. You said you were stating facts but even if it had been the case, your tone was not right. As for the content, despite your assertion, I did add something —whereas your last edit was a 0 octet one that looks motivated only by your desire to dismiss mine and letting it know in your summary ...— by writing not much maybe but something of highly important value, the fact that the film received almost universal critical acclaim in France, which the source proves (quoting Le Monde, Le Canard enchaîné, L’Obs, Libération, Jeune Afrique, Nova and so on!). The fact that the source is not in English is barely relevant and your dismissing was, I repeat, most inappropriate. So yes, this source and my short addition were enough to prove the page is notable. But by all means, feel free to improve it if you wish. I felt I had to let you know my feelings about this. — MY, OH, MY! 19:49, 27 April 2023 (UTC)

I'm sorry that my tone was inappropriate and if it did offend you, I apologize for that also. Mike Allen 22:29, 27 April 2023 (UTC)

Thank you. Your reply is most appreciated. Best, — MY, OH, MY! 23:50, 27 April 2023 (UTC)

reverting on Children of the Corn (2009 film)

Please stop reverting my edits. there is no reason for it. my edits only slightly reformat sentences and improve refs. UnkreativeFrog (talk) 09:39, 12 May 2023 (UTC)

My edit on Hatchet III

I don’t think there was anything wrong with it. Why revert it? 81.110.93.184 (talk) 14:52, 22 May 2023 (UTC)

You didn't provide a diff, but most likely because of WP:PLOTBLOAT and WP:EGG links being added. Mike Allen 15:15, 22 May 2023 (UTC)

The Little Mermaid

Please undo your edit per WP:BRD and take it to the talk page. Unless you cite a policy or guideline on something "Unencyclopedic" it comes across as an opinion. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 18:16, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

When I get back from doing IRL things, I surely will. It’s best under reception because it’s the RECEPTION of the casting of her. Good and bad. These “controversy” sections welcome unneeded WP:POV content. The word controversy is not even neutral. I’ll see you on the article talk page later and we may open up a RFC. :) Mike Allen 18:26, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

Thank you for this. =) I just want a firm consensus on the matter as well. It may determine how and when to use the word "Controversy" as subtitles under Films. In my opinion, the POV is offset by the "Accolades" section with the awards and nominations. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 18:32, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

Be careful

Hi, Special:Diff/1158254755 is really a disruptive edit, please be careful when using rollback and give your edit summary if needed. I usually patrolled edits with ORES score >50, which are likely bad faith ones. -Lemonaka‎ 00:26, 3 June 2023 (UTC)

The rollback on your edit was a mistake click, which is why I immediately reverted myself. Sorry about that. Mike Allen 02:42, 3 June 2023 (UTC)

DRTV

Drtv.dk is a public services Channel Owned by the Danish government. This is the most reliable source in Denmark. Watch the show and you will see everything said is correct. SundayNinja (talk) 16:54, 3 June 2023 (UTC)

What are you talking about? Please include a DIFF. Mike Allen 17:14, 3 June 2023 (UTC)

You stated in your last revision that DRTV is not a reliable source. Just because you don’t understand the language doesn’t mean it isn’t true. SundayNinja (talk) 17:17, 3 June 2023 (UTC)

Oh that was your IP adding that. Gotcha. Mike Allen 17:23, 3 June 2023 (UTC)

Also it's not about understanding the language. I have a translator and the website says nothing about t he content being added, it goes to a TV show called "Boundless Love". The other sources are not reliable. Please stop adding it. Thanks. Mike Allen 17:26, 3 June 2023 (UTC)

I understand. The show Borderless Love is a documentary series about Jasper Shade’s life in Danish of course. In that show you can clearly see everything is factual. Will you please stop removing it. SundayNinja (talk) 17:51, 3 June 2023 (UTC)

You don't understand Wikipedia guidelines and policies, so why are you telling me to not remove it? I'm not going to at the moment, but I'm sure someone else will. Mike Allen 18:09, 3 June 2023 (UTC)

Jeanne du Barry

Hey, I noticed that you reverted my edits on Jeanne du Barry. What was wrong with them? Thanks. Applehead17 (talk) 20:23, 3 June 2023 (UTC)

Sure!

• Depp is a co-procducer, and only producers are included in the infobox - Template:Infobox film (under producer)
• All film sources put Johnny Depp second billing - 12
• Maïwenn revealed that Depp listened to music while filming and that he chose a piece for each scene he appeared in. - WP:TRIVIA
• The content you added in the reception section goes against WP:FILMMARKETING (we don't just simply write when a trailer drops). We also don't separate reception by a country.

You also added a lot of content and did not provide an edit summary to give an explanation on your changes. Mike Allen 20:45, 3 June 2023 (UTC)

June 2023

The budget of the film was 65 million dollars, it only made 25 million dollars, meaning it lost 40 million dollars. The definition of a box office bomb is when a film makes less money then the films budget. I suggest you go research what a box office bomb is to refresh your memory. The way in which you have been responding to not just me, but multiple people on the page, along with how much you have edited on page leads me to believe that you are emotionally attached to the film. Whether you like the film and don’t want it to be called a box office bomb, or some other reason I do not know. My statement about it being a box office is true based on fact and definition.The movie is a box office bomb, you don’t need to be a movie critic or analyst to figure that out. When movies makes less then it cost to make, its a box office bomb. You and I both know that there is no major outlets covering this movie, for good reason, it’s not important enough. I have seen many articles on Wikipedia using similar sources without a problem from review checkers like yourself. Indeed we should use the highest quality of sources in Wikipedia pages, but when no quality source is reporting but the facts are self evident, sources like these should suffice. So go on continue throw the Wikipedia guidelines in people’s face to protect your precious movie. I will not edit this page anymore for the sake of preventing a editing war. I wish you the best of luck in your future editing endeavors. BigRed606 (talk) 22:18, 6 June 2023 (UTC)

I suggest you read how Wikipedia works before editing again.

I've never seen the film. Mike Allen 22:33, 6 June 2023 (UTC)

Yet you, repeatedly edit the page and rudely respond to people in the edit summary’s. I hope you don’t respond to other people in the summary’s like you have done on this page on other pages. Again for someone who has “never seen the movie” you responses on the page and consistent editing on page say otherwise. In any regards I appreciate contributions on Wikipedia and wish you the best of luck in your future editing endeavors. BigRed606 (talk) 22:41, 6 June 2023 (UTC)

Assassin Plot needed

The plot for the movie Assassin is too short. It needs to be longer. HiGuys69420 (talk) 01:54, 8 June 2023 (UTC)