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The great thing about NPOV is that you aren't claiming anything, except to say, "So-and-so argues that ____________, and therefore, ___________." From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Neutral_point_of_view/FAQ#Writing_for_the_.22enemy.22

Proposed Stub on philosophy of applied knowledge

For human beings, thinking can reveal the secrets of the universe. In fact, we see the world by thinking about it.

(a summary by paraphrase of Rudolf Steinr's philosophy (references to come...))

An animal looks at the sky and knows it is night; a human does the same and "knows" the universe came out of nowhere about 15 billion years ago.

Thinking about this difference between us and the rest of the animal kingdom, leads some humans to arrogance; and others to deep humility. Thus, thinking again determines how we see ourselves and the world.

If early education did nothing more than explore the implication of this aspect of human reality, it could contribute more to secure the long term sustainability of global civilization than what is allowed by it’s current obsession with the mechanical skills of the “three Rs”.

Janosabel 19:16, 24 January 2007 (UTC) Added last paragraph 8 May 2007[reply]

Four years later I am still hooked on Wikipedia in spite of all the frustrations it can cause. I am now looking for my sandbox. Janosabel (talk) 18:11, 2 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

More than ten years later, no change. Except I am more purposeful with Wikipedia.

I see it as means to remedy the lack general education leaves in the life of generations. That lack is 'general knowledge'.

Janosabel (talk) 21:32, 26 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Binary economics

Hi! When you get the time to do so would you look at the things I suggested on the talk page? I was just brainstorming when I wrote most of it so feel free to comment on it. I really feel that the article could be vastly improved if some of what is in it now was clarified and we then added a section on microfinance to illustrate a practical example of how at least parts of the theory could and is being implemented. That way the article would no longer be about an economic theory/school with marginal interest from professional economists. It would be about an economic theory/school that, although not mentioned by name, is at least being partially implemented. That's much better and the article could then be completely detagged. MartinDK 13:50, 18 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Binary economics (post discussion version)

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Alice Bailey

I saw a comment of yours suggesting you had some knowledge of Alice Bailey. If so, you might provide helpful input to the developing biography. James 00:36, 16 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

James,

Somewhat belatedly with apologies:

I have looked at A.B.'s life relating to her involvement with, and estrangement from, the Theosophical Society.

Will look at the current page(s) of the biography.

¬¬¬¬ Janosabel (talk) 17:40, 6 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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The entry seems needed in the context of the article Quantitative easing.

Is this not sufficient context?

Your hostile editorial policy is amazing. Could not you say that unapproved articles will be deleted in x hours? What is the hurry? Is the Wikipedia server running out of space? Janosabel (talk) 22:14, 25 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Just wanted to let you know that I've left you another note on Talk:New Money. --PeruvianLlama^(spit) 01:29, 26 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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My saga with a stub on Folk economics

Just in case it is speedily deleted from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Folk_economics.

Note: Want to start Folk Economics as requested at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requested_articles/Business_and_economics#Economics Will have to learn a lot to even start an article. Is it worth it? The system is very harsh on newbe contributions. So it seems to encourage editors to act as gatekeepers of accepted wisdom. Galileo would not have allowed a looking with the "no original research" rule.

Can someone show simply how to do the references properly? I have no time to spend hours on a course to comply with the strict rules imposed by the system. Valuable creative contributions may be rejected by these robotic restrictions. The article was asked for at the Wikiproject Economicd site.Janosabel (talk) 13:43, 27 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Definition of Folk economics

Folk economics is intuitive economics of untrained people. ^[1] Will this do as reference? No, I still do not get it.

What the hell is missing? Is this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Referencing_for_beginners#Inserting_a_reference what I need? and this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Tutorial.

Or learn from others at: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ervin_László#cite_note-0

Now another reference: ^[2]. OK, but if it is the same reference at some other place there is another trick (see ^[1]). Very clever nut not at all "intuitive".

Here come some examples^{[citation needed]} of the chilling warnings plaguing a newbe editor:

This economic theory related article is a stub. You can help Wikipedia by expanding it.

curious:

Shortcut

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Smith, John. Name of Book I Haven't Seen, Cambridge University Press, 2009, p. 1, cited in Paul Jones (ed.). Name of Encyclopedia I Have Seen. Oxford University Press, 2010, p. 2.

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Moving your page into userspace

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Same goes for Janosabel(section)/first ---> User:Janosabel(section)/first, and any others that I find. Please read those lings on Article Space and User Space. First Light (talk) 21:20, 6 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Please stop creating userpages in article space

Please read the links I provided above, and stop creating pages in Article Space that belong in your own User Space. Your subpages should always begin with "User:Janosabel", rather than with just "Janosabel". Thanks, First Light (talk) 21:31, 6 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Re: LVT - Solutions

Dear Janosabel, Regarding LVT, I think the work of Dr. Michael Hudson is excellent on these issues. Both monetary and LVT and other tax reforms need to be part of a theory in order to put everything in context. The Labour Theory of Value and Rent theory of Price are key parts of this. See: The Theory of Rent Needs a Theory of History Take Care, Sincerly, William WjtWeston (talk) 19:45, 17 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Comment acknowledged.

Janosabel (talk) 14:41, 21 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Janosabel,

I read an interesting article by Michael Hudson concerning the failure of Georges reforms to be enacted.

Henry George's Political Critics WjtWeston (talk) 20:59, 25 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Andrew,

Thanks so much for these helpful pointers.

It was great to meet you all.

Thinking about the experience afterwards, I should have made a list of the names of you all. But there is next month. Is the meetup on the same Sunday of a month?

I no longer feel a lone researcher using Wikipedia. Janosabel (talk) 10:57, 12 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

It's usually the second Sunday of each month. There's a page for the next one: meta:Meetup/London/185 where you can sign-up to indicate interest.

There's an online event this week for the annual Wiki Loves Monuments activity. I suppose it will be run via Zoom but the sign-up is being managed by Eventbrite.

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Good to see you both too... thanks Jan for ping on my talk page and I will surely have a read of your user page. Whispyhistory (talk) 06:53, 16 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Hello Czar,

Many thanks for contacting me.

Only a few years ago I realised that I was an anarchist. But definitely anarchist of the social type a la Murray Bookchin .

By pure coincidence your note appeared as I was wondering if I should read the biography of William Godwin I must have bought decades ago.

I expect there is a page on him in Wikipedia. Will head to it as well as looking up the links you suggest above.

Thanks again for the guidance. Janosabel (talk) 11:17, 21 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Of course! That wouldn't happen to be the Peter Marshall biography, would it? czar 17:39, 21 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Yes! How do you rate it? Janosabel (talk) 18:47, 21 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Haven't read it yet :) but somehow have two copies czar 21:22, 22 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Algorithm (step-by-step) type guides needed for idiots aspiring to editorship?

I have been a user of Wikipedia for well over a decade... Have been trying latterly to become a "editor-in-improvement" but the explanation on every "how-to" link I try seems incomprehensible to me.

At the same time, I have an ambition which might seem ridiculous: start a project to establish a "Free school" using Wikipeda articles as Curriculum (or is it "curricula"?)... Janosabel (talk) 12:50, 21 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Perhaps you would be interested in improving some of the existing materials here: Help:Getting started? czar 17:41, 21 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, I should learn to walk before... Janosabel (talk) 18:35, 21 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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How do I propose a new wikiproject? ... please see the last section below... Bottom section — Preceding unsigned comment added by Janosabel (talk • contribs) 17:33, 21 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Thanks. What is the etiquette? Should one acknowledge these helpful replies or is it enough to mark them as red? Janosabel (talk) 18:54, 21 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Thanks from a "toddler editor"

I think I can use the above title on account of having mastered the insertion of simple missing links to existing pages. However, when the same linkable word or phrase occurs several times in an article should all instances be linked?

Thanks to all for their helpful responses.

Now I think the next step is this NPOV (value-free... can, or even should, knowledge be value-free?) business. Janosabel (talk) 12:21, 22 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I think the answer to your question is covered at WP:OVERLINK and WP:LINKONCE. You do not link a term in every place it occurs. — jmcgnh^{(talk) (contribs)} 21:42, 22 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, and "neutral point of view" is a rather different term than "value-free". — jmcgnh^{(talk) (contribs)} 21:43, 22 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Thanks for the info.

Interesting to hear about the ins and outs of spelling error patrol.

I need to find people interested in a possible Wikipedia based free school. Have a draft Self-Curriculum by an eight year old aspiring to be a philosopher. Janosabel (talk) 21:28, 14 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, can't help you with educating eight year olds via Wikipedia - way outside my areas of expertise. Ϣere SpielChequers 23:15, 14 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, I was not clear enough...

Is anyone interested in considering a Wiky:Project to establish a Summerhill type free school using Wikipedia knowledge base?

The reference to an "eight year old" was the draft-example of a self-designed curriculum. Janosabel (talk) 12:58, 15 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Thanks for your submission to Wikipedia, and happy editing. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 16:34, 12 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Your draft article, Draft:States not serving the best welfare or their people

Hello, Janosabel. It has been over six months since you last edited the Articles for Creation submission or Draft page you started, "States not serving the best welfare or their people".

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Thanks for your submission to Wikipedia, and happy editing. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 15:27, 15 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, Liz and apologies. I will stop messing up wikipedia spaces with my half baked stubs.

Does this have to apply to my user page? Janosabel (talk) 21:05, 16 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Jobcentre Plus#Role of Jobcentre Plus According to information here 71,000 employees distributed £1,408 benefits to claimants. Assuming only minimum salary of £14,000 per employee and that staffing levels have not gone up, is this a really rational way of dealing with the impoverishment of a large section of the population of a wealthy country? Janosabel (talk) 10:33, 14 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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