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Mitsubishi-related articles

there are many mitsu related articles laying around.

i already added super active yaw control (AYC) to the main page, it needs a brief description.

found some more: [1] [2]

main page needs a mitsu technology category:

some pages should be created, like INVECS (Adaptive automatic transmission, learns driving style, adjusts for road conditions), TCL (world first Traction ControL system) percursor to the modern stability control systems

all info can be found here with links to source articles (scroll down) [3] —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 193.77.132.203 (talk • contribs) 23:06, September 1, 2006.

I thought traction control was a Bosch innovation (see here (p.2)). The INVECS system is heavily based on/licenced from Porsche, although I remember a car journalist called L. J. K. Setright saying that the Tiptronic is actually full of Mitsubishi patented technology. Never been able to verify it, though.

Still, there's the "Silent Shaft" system, the Mitsubishi Minica's five valve-per-cylinder engine, and the '92 Lancer MX's 1.6L mass-produced V6. --DeLarge 00:02, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

I knew about the dumb Carisma GT page, which may even be a sub page of the Lancer; depends how WP handles the slash in the title. It needs deleted and any useful info moved the the Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution page. And the Lancer WRC04 page needs renaming. I'll add them to the Mitsubishi vehicles categories and get around to them eventually. --DeLarge 00:02, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

no, bosch created the electronic stability control not traction control 2 different but simmilar things http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Traction_control http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electronic_Stability_Control --193.95.237.10 10:42, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

Well, from their respective websites:

"Technologically this decade saw incredible advances. In 1990 MMC introduced the world's first Traction Control System..." (Mitsubishi-Cars.co.uk), but
"On the basis of ABS, Bosch brought the first traction control system (TCS) for motor cars to mass production in 1986" (Bosche.de, p.2, where they also make a separate claim for the first electronic stability program). That's also backed up by Wikipedia itself; see List of automotive superlatives.

I think what Mitsubishi is claiming is that 4WD/4WS/ABS/TCL was the first integration of various elements into a complete system for traction control, but the first actual TC was Bosch's.

User:DeLarge/Galant Lambda

Deleted, as requested. (aeropagitica) 10:25, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

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Tyrannosaurus Rex

I believe you were mistaken in leaving your comment on my talk page. I only corrected a spelling error. DCEdwards1966 16:34, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

Now sorted (with redness of my face involved in solution...) --DeLarge 17:44, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

Roger Clark

Hee hee, well, I must admit I placed the Tony Mason bit there in the hope somebody might be able to place it correctly. I'm afraid the Tony Mason biography is rather short at the moment - there didn't seem to be much information out there on the internet, but I always used to enjoy his features on Top Gear and thought somebody else might be able to expand on it once it was started. Are you a friend or relation of his? Incidentally, do you know whether there is any information on the internet about the 1990s Top Gear feature when Roger Clark and Tony Mason went for a drive in a replica Escort at full speed? Bob talk 22:43, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

Nahh, don't know him, just a figure of speech in the edit summary. Best I remember of him is his Top Gear stuff (particularly that episode where he was tanking around a test track in a fire engine at some godawful speed), and that superb bullseye snowball-in-the-kisser from a spectator while he was covering the RAC Rally one year. I think I found more stuff after a quick trawl around though, so I'll watch the article and see what I can add, if anything.

Also, you might want to check finalgear.com and similar sites, to see if old episodes (pre-Clarkson) are available to download.

Finally, you could be bold and add his name in the Template:Top Gear info and Top Gear (original format) pages, if you're looking for more inbound links to his page. --DeLarge 17:44, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

Cowan

I saw the comment you posted on my message board. I changed cowan back from "a person who is not a Freemason", to "In Freemasonry one who is not a Freemason". I thought that all you were concerned about was that definition of cowan as a person who is not a Freemason have a link at all, I misunderstood. But now I have corrected this and put the link at the beginning. I have also removed the definition as one apprenticed to bricklaying but not licences to the trade of masonry and the definiton as a thief, intruder, or interloper. I understand what your point was now, I did not at first. That is my own fault, I am sorry. FDR MyTalk 9:28 14 September 2006 (UTC)

Sorted - article now adheres to WP:MOSDAB guidelines. --DeLarge 17:44, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

AFD

You missed a stage in creating Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Soni Motors Thailand. I've completed it but you may want to add a reason. Yomangani ^talk 17:21, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

Jeeez, I know. At least give me a couple of minutes to finish editing. I haven't even notified the original author yet... --DeLarge 17:22, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

I apologise. I saw it was broken on the AFD log while I looking at another one, so I fixed it Yomangani ^talk 18:39, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

Chrysler Sunbeam

Hi! I have finally created an article on the little car we talked about sometime ago, that, under the Talbot-Lotus banner, enjoyed so much success in the WRC during its short career. I put a short section on the Ti and Lotus versions of the Sunbeam there basing on the main (and in fact only) source I used, but I guess there is so much more to say about them. I am not too much into motorsports or sports/rally cars, but given your interest in WRC you might want to take a look and perhaps expand it using the many sources there are, when you would feel like taking a short break from Mitsubishi. Regards, Bravada, talk - 17:31, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

(originally posted at User talk:Bravada)

I've made a few small contributions to various African rallies, and while researching them I came across some photos you might find amusing from the Rallye Côte d'Ivoire. They give the limelight to some of the less renowned rally cars of the old days, although unfortunately I think they're copyrighted so couldn't be used on WP.

A Renault Dauphine in 1959-ish [4]
A Maserati-engined Citroën SM in 1975 [5]
The one I think you'd like best, a Simca 1100 being taken to the limit at the 1973 race [6]

Here's a link to the forum thread I found these at.[7] Plenty more similar shots, including Citroën DSs, Alpine A110s, etc in similar situations. --DeLarge 07:47, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

Thanks! That's not quite what I was thinking of, but the Citroen SM looks absolutely outlandish :D Cheers, Bravada, talk - 10:45, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the info about redirects

If I had known that, it would have saved me time, but I did manage to catch some mistakes on the pages I edited and I learned some new things, so it wasn't a total loss. OBILI ® ± 15:25, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

It's a well-hidden guideline, unfortunately ~ I was warned about it myself once. --DeLarge 22:42, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

Smart Fortwo

"Sorted "similar" in infobox"

Umm, you seem to have removed it altogether. --Vossanova ^o< 20:22, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

That's what "sorting it" required. None of the other cars were rear-engined, RWD two-seaters, and most of them couldn't qualify as a kei car (the Smart did it with about 90cm to spare). The cars I deleted may have been close on price, but that's not what the 'similar' field is. If you insist though, try looking through the Microcar page for something which is currently in production, e.g. the Microcar (brand).[8] --DeLarge 22:42, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

Template:Lancia

(originally posted at User talk:Bravada)
Looks like the free use image you found on the Italian WP has been treated as fair use and deleted (in case you didn't already know). --DeLarge 15:40, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

Gosh, thanks for notifying me. I guess I would have made this staggering discovery myself sooner or later... I cannot possibly express in terms that would be acceptable in Wikipedia, or anywhere in civilized parts of the world, how much this issue upset met. I mean, the pic was in the Commons, and there was a proposition there to delete the ENTIRE category "car company logos" (just because some genius called it "logos" and it fell under the suspicious top-level "logos" category), not even thinking for a moment whether the pictures really constitute a copyvio or anything bad.

I have asked in Commons the deletion page NOT to delete the images without prior notice of Wiki projects they are used in (by project I mean e.g. English Wikipedia), so that we could create copies for use in WP only. I wasn't clever enough to upload a copy myself, and of course one ingenious Commons admin deleted it carelessly, not even thinking for the tiniest moment how much harm he (his username is Fred, so it is a fair assumption that he is male) might cause.

I have requested for him to undelete the image, and I believe we have just begun a lenghty and tiresome battle (as if I didn't have enough of those, e.g. concerning spamlinkers pushing the change of WP:EL policy...), which I already start from a very weak position, as he is an admin and therefore he is probably convinced of his infinite unfallability. The fact that the extremely scrutinous WP admins did not object to the use of this image in the template means nothing, of course...

I am sorry to have poured it all on your talk page, I just cannot contain my anger and I cannot simply find a way to inflict physical or emotional suffering on the careless guy, which I would have surely done if it was the real world. The pain he caused me is augmented even further by the fact that he deleted the Autobianchi logo too (used in the article and the template as well). But deleting one of the greatest works of photogrpahic art in the Commons is totally unforgivable (is there a word like that?)

Anyway, I wish you that you would never have to be so upset in your life as I am at the moment. Might seem to be overreacting, but the combination of the harm done and thoughtlessness just struck me very hard.

Thanks again for notifying me, Bravada, talk - 16:20, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

Maria Sharapova

Hi. User:SndrAndrss is at it again, I see. I've already done two reverts to Maria Sharapova. I obviously can't do a third one. Can you help? Thanks. --StuartBrady (Talk) 18:46, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

List of automotive superlatives

Quickest 0-60 mph (roughly equal to 0-100 km/h) 2.5 s - 2006 Bugatti Veyron

The 2.5 seconds refers to 0-100 km/h, not 0-60 mph, but rather 0-62 mph, keep in mind that the Veyron is a German car and Germany (as all other European countries except the UK) uses the metric system. The Same goes for the Porsche 911 Turbo-time. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 83.253.26.161 (talk • contribs) 15:54, September 25, 2006.

O...K... You do realise that all I did was remove your contributions to the List of automotive superlatives because they didn't relate to a production car? And while we're at it, is there any reason why you requested that my password be changed? --DeLarge 19:35, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

Oh, I've no idea about those contributions, I'm accessing the Internet via a University Network which uses the same I.P. for several sub-nodes, I can only think that it relates to the fact that the specific page (Automotive superlatives) was being discussed in a University-internal group and that someone decided to contribute. Personally I usually contribute to pages in other languages. The reason to why I sent this note to You was that You seemed to be an eiger contributer/editor/moderator, but I'll probably initiate the discussion in another place. Thanks! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 83.253.26.161 (talk • contribs) 19:53, September 25, 2006.

Fair-use images

Hi DeLarge!

Apologies for making an edit to your user page, but "fair use" images can't be used on user pages under current copyright law.

Thanks! ➨ ЯEDVERS 19:44, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

gema article need more facts

hello delarge

read this http://forums.evo-lutionm.net/showthread.php?t=225886&page=1 (hyphens added to circumvent spam filters)

hehe google has indexed the gema page that you created, and i then added the 4b11t and then guys at evom found it lol

the thing is that gema article Global Engine Manufacturing Alliance needs more info

the article states that gema makes the 2.4 liter for mitsubishi (someone allready corrected that) and is full with inaccuracy's

my response (user gnusmas) http://forums.evo-lutionm.net/showthread.php?t=225886&page=2 (hyphens added to circumvent spam filters)

this is my response 1. gema engines only share the engine block, general design (all alloy, variable valve timing) and production related stuff to water down the cost of making them 2. mitsubishi has a newly built state of the art gema engine factory in Shiga, Japan, hyundai has one in korea, chrysler 2 in michigan 3. all mitsubishi's gema engines will be built by japanese workers with japanese engineers in Shiga, Japan 4. only mitsubishi's gema engines have Mivec and other mitsu techology, hyundai has it's own variable valve tehnology, as does chrysler

various press releases from mitsu and chrysler are my sources

there is a press release regarding shiga factory at mitsu's global site, i just can't seem to find it at the moment

i think Global Engine Manufacturing Alliance article and Mitsubishi_GEMA_engines need more clarification (like the part that mercede's valve timing techology is used in all gema engines, when in fact only in chrysler's)

and the part about purchasing gema engines i don't understand

the thing is, as i said mitsu is producing their gema engines in shiga they are not buying them but producing them, maybe mitsu is broke to make it's own engines lol

and there are still debates with the new shared platform that mitsu and chrysler co-developed

some idiots are writing that chrysler developed it and so on and that evo x will be based on dodge caliber lol, morons

they think platforms form the chassis, and the suspension system, idiots that's not what the platforms are about

platforms are about location of various things ( like door handles), and the car's layout (front mounted engine, forward wheel drive....) and safety structure.... so the platform article need clarification also

man this message is long lol (edit it if you want), tell me what you think?

and sorry about my english, im from southern europe

cheers

gnusmas --193.95.239.228 23:02, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

Non-breaking spaces

(originally posted at User talk:Bobblewik)
"units &/or links" 22:03, September 29, 2006 DeLarge
I've noticed you changing a lot of units in automobile articles from "XXXhp" to "XXX hp". If you're going to do this, could you follow the WP:Autos conventions and use the non-breaking space ( ) to prevent automatic line wrapping? This would also apply to non-autombile articles where you're inserting a space between the value and the unit. Thanks. --DeLarge 22:03, 29 September 2006 (UTC)'

"→units &/or links" 10:20, September 30, 2006 Bobblewik

I like to ensure that the reader sees a space. In the past, I tried to go a step further and add nbsp but I ended up making too many mistakes and it is much more complicated and slow. So now I just concentrate on the main task of correcting the absence of a visible space. If you would like to convert the visible space from one type to another, I would be happy to assist you. I have helped other editors in that. I would also be happy to discuss formats in general in your project page if you want to copy this discussion there. Regards bobblewik 10:20, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

"→units &/or links - WTF?" 20:20, October 1, 2006 DeLarge

Sorry, what? You'd rather do a half-assed job because it's quicker and easier than doing it properly, but if I want to spend my time trawling around after you tidying up your goofs you'd be happy to assist? How noble of you. Do you realise what a selfish ass you just sounded like? --DeLarge 10:20, 1 October 2006 (UTC)'

"→units &/or links - rude comment deleted" 20:20, October 1, 2006 Bobblewik

Remaining conversation continued here...

Hi,

I deleted your recent comment on my talk page because I considered it to be rude. The loss of a chance to debate the technical issues you raised was a shame. I think we are both trying to improve matters of style. Furthermore, we appear to agree on many of those matters.

I am copying your comments to wp:mosnum so that the substantive issues that you raised can be debated more widely. That seems to be me to be a good place. See you there. bobblewik 18:41, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

How ironic. I considered it rude of you to dismiss a constructive suggestion on the basis that doing things the right way was too difficult and slow for you. Like I said, you'd rather do a half-assed job because it's quicker and easier than doing it properly. In future, expect your edits to be rolled back summarily - your dismissive attitude deserves to be reciprocated. --DeLarge 19:12, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

Can I summarise for a moment? bobblewik was trying to do a useful job in replacing those strings. DeLarge pointed out a way to do it better, but apparently wasn't applying the corrections (correct me if I'm wrong, I've only followed the discussion here). At the end of the day, we should be able to remain civil about this and make suggestions how these replacements can be made more efficient. I hope you both have this within you. Regards, Samsara (talk • contribs) 20:11, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

I agree with Samsara. I personally don't use the non-breaking space as I too consider it inelegant and not worth the tiny advantage gained. However, an issue like this really isn't worth getting humpty over. Stuff like "your dismissive attitude deserves to be reciprocated" has no place here. Please cool it; Bobblewik is only trying to improve things here. --Guinnog 23:49, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

Postscript (mostly for my benefit)

Two days after BW left his comments here, he (and his eye-opening block log) had retired from WP for good, so my intentions were never put to the test. Non, je ne regrette rien... --DeLarge (talk) 00:58, 18 February 2012 (UTC)

African Achievement

the Safari is in Africa, yet there is no mention of indigenous African achievement on this page until Now- why? after 50 years? do Africans not deserve credit?

Mr. Wahome's achivements in Safari are Fact. see [9] —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Isinya (talk • contribs) 20:43, October 8, 2006.

I'm sure you're very proud of Mr Wahome. However, while researching Rallybase, please take the time to review the achievements of fellow Kenyan Shektar Mehta (and his co-driver and countryman Mike Doughty), who not only finished the rally on four consecutive occasions (1979–82), but did so at the top of the podium. The factual inaccuracy of your edits is why they are being reverted, and why they will continue to be. Regards, --DeLarge 21:04, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

On the subject of factual inaccuracy, i beg to point out that it is indeed your facts that are inaccurate. Podium finish or last place is not the issue here - ethnicity is. The Late Shekhar was Asian, born in Uganda.[10] Shekhar- all due respect to his career achievements- was a Ugandan citizen who then emigrated to Britain. That does not define him as a Kenyan citizen- i.e. an indigenous African Kenyan by birth. His navigator Mike is British. Kenya was his adopted country not his country of citizenship. Kenya does not permit dual citizenship.

Messrs. Wahome and Muriuki are Kenyan citizens and indigenous "Africans" I will be happy to source pics. that prove their ethnicity.

Britain celebrated Colin McRae and Richard Burns achievements @ WRC level as achieving "Britons" as opposed to Finnish or French drivers- are the rules different for Africans? Therefore, i will continue to provide Mr. Wahome his due credit.

Thank you for observing my mis-post on Musa Locho. Regards. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Isinya (talk • contribs) 00:54, October 10, 2006.

Ugandans are not Africans? Read what you posted. And if you want to change it to "first hat-trick by an all Kenyan-born crew", please remember to read up on the achievements of Joginder Singh and his 19 finishes in 22 years from 1959 (an externally verified achievement). --DeLarge 08:11, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

Was Joginder navigated by an indigenous African? I highly doubt it. Which part of "Indigenous African" are you having difficulty with? I'm sure Jesse Owens (African American) faced similar difficulties following his achievments at the 1936 Berlin Olympics. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Isinya (talk • contribs) 13:58, October 12, 2006.

You can doubt it all you want. Joginder Singh's first win in 1965 was famously with his own brother Jaswant and it wasn't the only time they were paired together. He occasionally participated alongside co-driver Harbhajan Saimbi as well. And for the record, the last revert of your edit was done by Julius Sahara. --DeLarge 15:18, October 12, 2006 (UTC)

All due respect, but are Joginder, Jaswant and Harbhajan SINGH are ethnically "Kenyan" or ..... ethnically Punjabi?? They seemed somewhat Sikh in most VERIFIABLE publications." —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Isinya (talk • contribs) 07:46, October 13, 2006.

First, "Sikh" is not a nationality, it's a religion. Competitors in rallies are identified by name and nationality, not religion or ethnicity. Or do you think it'd be a good thing for an Aryan Wikipedia editor to add the name of the first all-white crew to win, and how often "the white man has been victorious in the black man's rally", or similar ethnocentric vitriol?

Second, and I'll only bother saying this one more time, read what you posted:

Five successive edits with no mention of ethnicity, merely that they were "all-African". They were not the first "African" team to finish three times in succession. Whether Mehta/Doughty or Joginder Singh don't meet your personal standards of African-ness (sic) is totally irrelevant. They're African in all official sources, and that's why your edits were reverted.

Finally, understand what this edit dispute is about. Proving Wahome is African (and others are Sikh) is irrelevant. Proving Wahome finished three times in succession is irrelevant. What you have to verifiably demonstrate is that he was the first to do so because that's what you're claiming. So far you haven't backed that up with a reliable external source.

As a small aside, you honestly think that finishing the Safari in the late '90s remotely compares to finishing it in the '60s and '70s? 1997, 19 of 52 finished (over a third). 1998, 19 of 49 finished (almost 40%). 1999, 24 of 45 finished (over half). And the 1990s races are less than half the distance of the old one. To compare Wahome's hat-trick to the endurance pioneers of the '60s and '70s is risible, especially since Wahome struggled to finish in the top 20. --DeLarge 09:45, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

now that we have accurately narrowed the issue at hand to one of ethnicity and the appreciation of ethnic individuals' achivements in thier own lands- risible or abstruse in your opinion or not-

to clarify:

"Sikh" is a broad ethnic definition referring to Punjabi, as well as a religion http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sikh
Anyone who ever processed a Safari/WRC Rally Entry on behalf of a Rally Team, knows that it is not a pre-requisite for the organizers to verify nationality.
Anyone who compares a 60's style endurance Safari event to a sprint-style 90's event has obviously never been measurably involved in management of an achieving rally team (small e.g. Wahome/Hyundai Kenya nor big budget e.g. Metha/Datsun/Marlboro

Leading to a clear-cut conclusion--even your external sources and personal opinions are exiguous at best Isinya 01:40, October 14 2006

Are we back to "Isinya declares that Sikhs aren't African" again? No-one cares what you think. Drivers born in Africa are referred to as African whether you like it or not, regardless of their religion. So until you specified that you were referring to ethnicity, your edits were wrong. Accept that and move on.
"Anyone who ever processed a Safari/WRC Rally Entry on behalf of a Rally Team, knows that it is not a pre-requisite for the organizers to verify nationality." Never said it was. What's your point?
Anyone who compares a 60's style endurance Safari event to a sprint-style 90's event has obviously never been measurably involved in management of an achieving rally team". You were the one who made the comparison, when you claimed that "For those intimate with Safari, a finish is as respected as a win." when referring to Wahome struggling over the line in 18th, seven hours behind the winners (1997), 18th, almost nine hours behind the winners (1998) and 19th, five hours behind the winners (1999), as if that somehow compared with the 6000 km marathons of past decades. Criticising me by agreeing with me seems... self-defeating would the polite phrase.

"Even your external sources and personal opinions are exiguous at best." I'm guessing that was supposed to be some kind of ad hominem attack, but since insults aren't supposed to invoke the laughter that your comment did, I'm not 100% certain. Questioning "my" sources when you've yet to provide one for Wahome's "achievement" (sic) yourself? Feel free to post that here when you next visit, as it'd make a refreshing change from the usual badly punctuated ramble you've offered thus far. --DeLarge 17:06, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

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Japanese Car Portal

(originally posted at User talk:Michistrasse, 17:36, October 22, 2006)
I'd agree with User:Adam Bishop. What you're suggesting a portal be used for is a purpose already served by Categories. Someone looking for the links you've included at Portal:Japanese cars and the fake "template" for Japanese cars (see Mitsubishi Motors et al) can already be found at Category:Motor vehicle manufacturers of Japan. You seem to be duplicating what's already there to me.
By the way, the page at Portal:Japanese cars is being rendered very badly by non-IE browsers (e.g. Mozilla Firefox and Opera). --DeLarge 17:36, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

True, it is similar to the Categories page, but its still better laid out, plus its more specialized, my page is more about cars, as in no Kawasaki, Yamaha, and I only included Hino b/c they used to make cars. You wouldn't get rid of the Japan Portal because there's already a Japan categories list, would you?

P.S.- I use Safari, not Internet Explorer. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Michistrasse (talk • contribs) 20:47, October 22, 2006.

[I]t is similar to the Categories page, but its still better laid out — No, it's not better laid out. Especially in Opera and Mozilla/Firefox, it's a mess, and even in IE it's a bit of a dog's dinner.

I use Safari, not Internet Explorer. — I don't care. I'm telling you the browsers that it's not rendering properly in, not second guessing your own browsing habits. Putting up a badly rendered page is affecting other people, and they're the ones I'm concerned about. Too many people on WP seem not to know what an editor's jobs are... --DeLarge 17:20, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

Mitsubishi Delica

Hi! This may be a long shot but, inview of your knowledgable input about Mitsubishi, I'm hoping you can answer a question that I have been asked? IE: How many Delicas, both L300 and L400 models have been produced in the various years since it was first produced? NB: I Have owned two L400's:- No1 & No2. Richard Harvey 13:11, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

No clue, I'm afraid, especially for such a long-lasting model. Best bet would probably be to contact Mitsubishi directly, although I have little idea how responsive their PR department would be. A .pdf detailing recent production is availabe on their global site,[[11] but may not offer exactly what you need. Also, I might suggest contacting their South African division; I found production stats for the Galant on their site and nowhere else,[12] so it might be that one of their staff down there is sufficiently interested in that kind of trivia to be a useful contact. --DeLarge 16:43, 30 October 2006 (UTC)