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Uh, I heard that many users have received some message that says that YouTube is going to delete all fake accounts in December, nonetheless, many people are complaining and believing it's a prank message, due to the fact that YouTube only communicates with users through E-Mailing. Do you suppose that one message that's being read so many times is a true message? I'm sure it might be necessary to put in the article about YouTube communicating with users. --PJ Pete October 29, 2008

{{{Reply}}} I have heard about those rumors long time ago 2002 about yahoo closing down. That never happened. They are doing the same chain letter about Youtube.

I have no idea what a "fake account" would even be.Docsavage20 (talk) 03:38, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

I think there really should be a section in this article about YouTube communicating with users by E-Mailing them like if the user received a comment, reply, or message from another user, but as of late 2008, there was a message that came from someone unknown, and making users send it to many people about YouTube deleting many accounts in December 2008, probably meaning that a fake account is an account that has been inactive for a long time. --PJ Pete October 30, 2008

Huh? --ZimZalaBim ^talk 04:02, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

Some specifics are needed here. Have you received an e-mail saying this, and what was the wording? Google gave nothing about this, and the Snopes website has nothing either. At the moment none of this is making much sense. --♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 07:31, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

Standard and high quality videos section photo misleading

That photo next to the "Standard and high quality videos" section shown playing at different sizes on a media player is misleading. The video player is shown playing them at their native sizes but all video as seen on YouTube is resized to a 480 x 360 viewing size (obviously unless viewed full screen), this isn't addressed in the text.Docsavage20 (talk) 23:19, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

This is a fair point. The main purpose of the image is to show the size differential between 320x240 and 480x360 pixels. The caption may not be misleading the reader, but maybe the text of the article could be edited. Incidentally, this video can be seen at [1] and the fmt18 version is considerably better than the fmt6 one. --♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 08:21, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

What does "subscribe" mean in terms of YouTube?

I'm working on a YouTube related article, KevJumba, and according to a source I have he was at one point the "third most subscribed overall". What does that mean? I'd like to be able to link to something in this article that describes it, but I can't find anything that explains it. - Peregrine Fisher (talk) (contribs) 02:42, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

This is not in the article as it is best approached through the help section of the YouTube website. [2]. Subscribing means that you can be sent e-mail notifications when a user adds new videos. See also [3]. --♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 07:50, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

Thanks. - Peregrine Fisher (talk) (contribs) 16:07, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

Universal Tube & Rollform Equipment in the hatnote

I removed Universal Tube & Rollform Equipment from the Hatnote, because I just can't see that it's necessary. Youtube's old domain name conflict with them is already in the article text, which should be enough coverage. UTube no longer redirects here, and the number of people who navigate onto this page expecting the Universal Tube & Rollform Equipment article gotta be miniscule in the extreme. Siawase (talk) 16:42, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

The link for Russian under languages is broken

--jimktrains —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.245.185.130 (talk) 00:42, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

 Done. --♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 06:42, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

Claims by inventor

An alumni of Carnegie Mellon University has claimed YouTube was his idea and that he contacted Chad and Steve prior to the founding of the company. The claimant purports that YouTube was invented while working at a CMU start-up, in 1998, during work on a project called "Synthetic Interview". 128.237.242.98 (talk) 16:04, 5 November 2008 (UTC)

This is an interesting claim, and one that has been made before. This video looks at the claim that YouTube's history can be traced back to a tech project at Carnegie Mellon in the late 1990s. Without going into too much detail, the system involved interactive online video, and is discussed in this online PDF document. Whether this system can be seen as an exact precursor of YouTube is hard to say, so further comments on article relevance are welcome here. --♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 18:44, 5 November 2008 (UTC)

past video upload restrictions?

Certain people used to be able to upload videos of more than 10 minutes in length. Does anyone know who, what those extended restrictions were, or when they changed it? Seems like it would be good for the article (I know I just came here looking for that information).Many people use youtube to find out some things .

As a note to anyone who finds and adds this info: anyone who used to be able to upload videos longer than 10m can still do so, according to the YouTube help pages, but it didn't state any of the other info I was looking for. Droidguy1119 (talk) 05:29, 31 August 2008 (UTC)

This has been covered before (see here in the talk page archive). One of the footnotes in the article points out: YouTube's help section states: "You can no longer upload videos longer than ten minutes regardless of what type of account you have. Users who had previously been allowed to upload longer content still retain this ability, so you may occasionally see videos that are longer than ten minutes." The ten minute limit was introduced in March 2006 after YouTube realized that the majority of videos over this length were from television shows and films.

It is given as a footnote because the current limit is ten minutes for all users. --♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 08:01, 31 August 2008 (UTC)

Actually the current limit is eleven. Me and several other users upload videos between 10 and 11 minutes very often. TheBlazikenMaster (talk) 14:14, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

I haven't uploaded any video to YouTube, but I read on Wikitubia forum that directors could (or used to) upload videos 10 mins . At least, I think so. --Yowuza ZX Wolfie 17:40, 5 September 2008 (UTC)

OK, probably enough on this thread as it has been covered before. The ability to upload longer videos is now largely of historical interest, as very few videos on YouTube today are more than ten minutes long. --♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 18:06, 5 September 2008 (UTC)

I can't understand the debate here! I uploaded a 16 minute video in November 2006. The only thing I needed was to apply to be a director which took a few days. Here's the video if you don't believe me 'Ecuador Photostory' http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VEUvT8S42p0 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.13.163.153 (talk) 21:50, 22 September 2008 (UTC)

The article does not dwell on this because no new YouTube account allows uploads longer than ten minutes. Users with Director accounts from 2006 would have been able to do this, but the feature has been axed to discourage uploads of films and television shows. --♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 06:58, 23 September 2008 (UTC)

I wanna say again that the limit is eleven minutes, not ten. If you don't believe me just check out some of my videos. But be warned, as swearing is my style, don't say I didn't warn you. TheBlazikenMaster (talk) 14:41, 23 September 2008 (UTC)

This thread is wandering off-topic. To clarify, the official limit is ten minutes, but it is not unusual to see videos of 10-11 minutes. The ability to upload very long videos was removed in 2006. --♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 15:28, 23 September 2008 (UTC)

This thread is wandering off-topic. I apologize, I will stop pointing that out, that's a promise. TheBlazikenMaster (talk) 17:04, 23 September 2008 (UTC)

10 minutes is not the official limit, that's the officially stated limit. Its wrong, and this is a consideration that YouTubians, such as myself always use when editing a video. Its 10 minutes and 59 seconds. The reference for this information is any old 10 minute video from a new user that you can imagine: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jj2Ad3jGNQc for example (the user who uploaded this video joined in Feb 2007 which is well after the limit was set.) Qed (talk) 20:42, 6 December 2008 (UTC)

At the risk of complicating things still further, this [4] is in the news today. YouTube is testing a handful of TV shows with lengths over ten minutes. However, since this does not affect what ordinary users can upload, it may not be notable enough for the article. --♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 09:08, 24 October 2008 (UTC)

Its not an experiment; that's just what they say it is. There's nothing to experiment. The functionality works. Obviously, they are just making special deals with special accounts that they deem important for fiscal reasons. What's wrong with just stating what the facts are, as opposed to what PR people say the facts are? Qed (talk) 20:42, 6 December 2008 (UTC)

There are videos that are considerably longer than 10 minutes, see the Jason Beghe interview on XENUTV's channel - over 2 hours. This channel was also the subject of a famous DMCA battle, with the channel's originator prevailing. The Church of Scientology did not want this video seen.Docsavage20 (talk) 01:42, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

• I think this information belongs in the body of the article itself, not in a footnote. The 10/11-minute time restriction was a HUGE change for the site, and should be noted in the article as part of YouTube's history. Softlavender (talk) 01:25, 15 November 2008 (UTC)

Given the number of times that this has been mentioned on the talk page, I think you have a point. The article does try to avoid rehashing YouTube's help section, but it is important to note that during the early days of YouTube, any user could upload videos longer than ten minutes. This feature of the site was removed in March 2006 due to copyright concerns. The full list of rules for Director accounts etc. is somewhat complicated, but any new account on YouTube is limited to ten minutes. This is now in the main body of the article. --♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 09:45, 15 November 2008 (UTC)

It has been pointed out on a number of occasions that videos in the range 10-11 minutes usually work, but there is an element of original research here, and there is no great harm in giving the official YouTube limit which is ten minutes. One point which could be made in the article about the new premium content videos is that they seem to be available only for users in North America. For example, my attempt at watching the 48 minute long MacGyver episode "Thief of Budapest" at [5] on the YouTube CBS Channel produces the message This video is not available in your country. This is a feature of premium content sites such as Hulu, and it may be that YouTube's deals with commercial media organizations will lead to videos that are not available in all countries. --♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 09:08, 7 December 2008 (UTC)

How is the fact that the limit is 10:59 original research? There are numerous videos that just plainly demonstrate this. Here's another: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=heK6aajwDUg (he says "3 minutes to go, about 8 minutes into the video) and another: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M17RvHYxLUU . In fact go look at all of secretnaughtybedlam videos: http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=secretnaughtybedlam&view=videos and you will see numerous 10 minute videos listed. Here's a textual reference to this fact if you like: http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080831201707AASLpTP . Saying that 10 minutes is the official limit is like saying, that in South Africa AIDS is spread by poverty, not HIV (that was what Mbeki, their old president said). I don't think Wikipedia should be quoting PR or any other sort of misinformation just because it comes from some corporation or other important person unless it is properly represented as a claim by that entity and nothing more. The country limit restriction that you are seeing is in the exact same category. Is YouTube going to openly state this in some FAQ or help somewhere? And if they don't does that mean you shouldn't say it happens? Qed (talk) 09:41, 7 December 2008 (UTC)

There is a risk of edit warring over this, but my personal view is that the 10-11 minute hack is not really notable enough for the article. It could be added as a footnote, though. --♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 09:57, 7 December 2008 (UTC)

I don't understand your reluctance to edit this for correctness. Look, I am a long time YouTubian myself who has watched this very closely (I have one of the older 11 minute director accounts). A correct description of this should point out that 1) The limit for all new accounts is 10:59 (and 1GB) per video. 2) Some, older director accounts and certain new accounts that YouTube has selected do not have time limits on their uploads. Then you can cite the Yahoo Answers link I gave above for one reference and you can quote from YouTube's incorrect help as well. (The fact that YouTube makes misleading statements to the video authors is also very characteristic of them; I'm all for demonstrating this.) If you simply state this, why would there be an edit war? All of the complaints I have seen so far about this, stem from a misunderstanding of the exact correct facts. Nearly all would be instantly cleared up just by reading the correct facts. Qed (talk) 14:38, 7 December 2008 (UTC)

One of the things that the article tries to avoid is going into a level of WP:NOTHOWTO detail that would not be of interest to the average reader. Nobody is denying that videos in the range 10-11 minutes usually work OK, but for the sake of reliable sourcing it is better to stick to the official 10 minute limit given at [6] and [7]. It is also true that some older director accounts can still upload videos longer than ten minutes, and the article states this with a reference from the same source. --♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 14:57, 7 December 2008 (UTC)

Requirements

What are the requirements to join youtube it keeps on saying that im ineligible to register what does this mean?

This looks like it is off-topic for the article, but can be raised at User talk:Ianmacm. People who have had their YouTube accounts deleted in the past due to Terms of service violations are prevented from opening new user accounts. --♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 15:36, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

LLC?

It's owned by Google now, of course. Is it still an LLC? Is that possible? BunnyColvin (talk) 04:44, 13 November 2008 (UTC)

having a corporate owner doesn't negate your ability to be organized as an LLC. And for confirmation, see the corporate tag at the very bottom of the YouTube homepage. --ZimZalaBim ^talk 04:56, 13 November 2008 (UTC)

The phrase LLC (Limited liability company) may need explaining for people outside the United States, and for the general reader. I was not entirely sure whether it was necessary to describe YouTube as YouTube, LLC in the opening section, although it should be given in the infobox. --♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 08:49, 13 November 2008 (UTC)

I added a link to LLC in the infobox. There is precedent for including the legal status of the firm in the intro: see Apple, Inc. --ZimZalaBim ^talk 14:30, 13 November 2008 (UTC)

Youtube does offer HD content, false information, this should be unlocked .

There's a section in the youtube entry that says:

"When asked why YouTube did not choose HD format, the site answered: "Our general philosophy is to make sure that as many people as possible can access YouTube and that videos start quickly and play smoothly. That's one reason why you don't see us racing to call this "Super Duper YouTube HD," because most people don't want to wait a long time for videos to play."[51]"

I think this is either just made up, or really really old out of date information.

Youtube has provided HD since March of this year along with the 480x360 flv mono and .mp4 stereo formats. I'm kind of annoyed this is locked and I can't correct such lies. Also, all uploaded videos now are in AVC/AAC stereo & h263/.mp3 standard mode. Furthermore all older videos have been converted, though some still link by default to youtube servers instead of google.

examples. here's a video from 2006, standard mode AVC/AAC stereo

http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=vUO6kYLb6As

Here's a High definition video

http://youtube.com/watch?v=zlfKdbWwruY&fmt=22

If the experts that are only allowed to edit this just don't know the facts, and couldn't' be bothered updating things, I think this should be unlocked, because i'm no expert, I just use youtube, and all this is just apparent from using it, not researching youtube. I"M deeply disappointed in whoever it is that is the caretaker of the youtube entry. I'd like them to resign and either have the article unlocked or give the job to a person that has a genuine interest in youtube, and actually uses it. I fail to see that an active youtube user didn't notice standard mode video are now served from google & are in stereo now.

Atropine1 (talk) 01:23, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

The quote isn't made up, that's what the footnote (^[51]) is for — the "When asked why YouTube did not choose HD format, the site answered: " bit currently seems misleading, however. Also, as you would have noticed had you cared to read about it, the "expert" status you're talking about is a mere four days of account existence, and 10 whole edits. Anyways, here. ¦ Reisio (talk) 02:52, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

I'll have another look at the wording, and would appreciate feedback on any statement considered to be inaccurate. The information looks broadly OK, although it could do with some tidying up. 480 x 360 pixels is better described as higher definition than true HD, as YouTube's press release at the time of the launch stated [8]. Nowadays HD is usually regarded as 720 or 1080 pixels of horizontal resolution, and YouTube's videos come nowhere near this, although Vimeo does offer 720 pixel videos. It is true that YouTube has converted its content to MP4 as well as FLV format, but the only way for a web user to find the MP4 version is by adding &fmt=18 to the web address. The default high quality videos on the website are &fmt=6, which have mono sound and FLV video. The MP4 versions seem to be aimed directly at Apple's users, which is a pity in my view, since the MP4 versions are the only ones with a stereo soundtrack. Please discuss this at User talk:Ianmacm if you would like to look at further ways of improving the article. --♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 08:03, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

The video that has led to this query is Where the Hell is Matt? (2008) [9]. This has an extension of &fmt=22 to the web address and plays at 720 pixels, according to reports. What is interesting here is that a) all of the reports about this at the moment come from blogs, and b) the Where the Hell is Matt? video seems to be the only one quoted as doing this at the moment. The service may be on a trial run, so does anyone have more information about this? --♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 08:56, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

Here is the MediaInfo [10] readout on the Where the Hell is Matt? (2008) video:

General Complete name  : Where the Hell is Matt (2008).mp4 Format  : MPEG-4 Format profile  : Base Media / Version 2 Codec ID  : mp42 File size  : 73.6 MiB Duration  : 4mn 28s Overall bit rate  : 2 296 Kbps Encoded date  : UTC 2008-06-19 11:35:09 Tagged date  : UTC 2008-06-19 11:35:09

Video Format  : AVC Format/Info  : Advanced Video Codec Format profile  : [email protected] Format settings, CABAC  : No Format settings, ReFrames  : 4 frames Codec ID  : avc1 Codec ID/Info  : Advanced Video Coding Duration  : 4mn 28s Bit rate mode  : Variable Bit rate  : 2 060 Kbps Nominal bit rate  : 2 000 Kbps Maximum bit rate  : 11.8 Mbps Width  : 1 280 pixels Height  : 720 pixels Display aspect ratio  : 16/9 Frame rate mode  : Constant Frame rate  : 30.000 fps Resolution  : 24 bits Colorimetry  : 4:2:0 Scan type  : Progressive Bits/(Pixel*Frame)  : 0.075 Stream size  : 66.0 MiB (90%) Title  : (C) 2007 Google Inc. v06.24.2007. Writing library  : x264 core 54

Encoded date  : UTC 2008-06-19 11:35:09 Tagged date  : UTC 2008-06-19 11:35:09

Audio Format  : AAC Format/Info  : Advanced Audio Codec Format version  : Version 4 Format profile  : LC Format settings, SBR  : No Codec ID  : 40 Duration  : 4mn 28s Bit rate mode  : Variable Bit rate  : 232 Kbps Maximum bit rate  : 256 Kbps Channel(s)  : 2 channels Channel positions  : L R Sampling rate  : 44.1 KHz Resolution  : 16 bits Stream size  : 7.43 MiB (10%) Title  : (C) 2007 Google Inc. v06.24.2007. Encoded date  : UTC 2008-06-19 11:35:09 Tagged date  : UTC 2008-06-19 11:35:09

The main feature of note is the 1280 x 720 pixel resolution. Reports about this video have been circulating in the blogs and tech forums for the past few days, but there do not seem to be any mainstream media reports about this, which leads to a problem with WP:OR and WP:V. It would be interesting to mention this in the article, but some further research and sourcing are needed. --♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 09:32, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

 Done This is now in the article as there is enough sourcing to make it worth mentioning. --♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 09:58, 21 November 2008 (UTC)