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Founding of the University of Wroclaw

The problem is that: before 1945 there's no such university as University of Wroclaw. It was orginally found in 1945 and to that date it was known as Breslau University. Please be so kind, and "stay in tuch" with the history, because there are several people form Poland and Wroclaw in particular, who want to think about a succesion of Breslaw University, but these succesion contained only buildings. So please tell me what is more important to the tradition of science and thought: buildings or the the way of thinking and the tradition of deliberation?

So I believe that there's shoud be 2 separeted articles which contain 2 separeted histories. One of Breslau University to 1945, and the second of the Wroclaw University from 1945. They may have references but they shoud be separeted.

Name dispute

ProhibitOnions said: there's no need for an unsourced assertion about the "correct" name, as there's no dispute

Well, the mistake is made very often, also by Polish. And it is not unsourced, the name is regulated by an official document form the president of the univesity. But I will not argue, you're the administrator here. -- Kajetan Wandowicz 20:05, 7 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Norbert Elias

What is wrong with Norbert Elias? He did study here.Xx236 08:57, 15 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Sourced what could be found

I sourced what I could find regarding German opression of Polish students.--Molobo (talk) 11:39, 20 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

University of Breslau

This article mainly covers the German University of Breslau until 1945. It should be moved (to preserve the edit history) accordingly and trimmed to pre-1945, then a new article can be compiled about the post 1945 Polish University of Wrocław. See University of Königsberg for a similar case. -- Matthead Discuß 08:29, 26 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Actually, starting a new article from scratch for Breslau would probably be better. Possible sources, at least up to 1913, are http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/1911_Encyclopædia_Britannica/Breslau and http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Catholic_Encyclopedia_(1913)/Breslau . Accordingly, I've started Category:University of Breslau faculty and Category:University of Breslau alumni.-- Matthead Discuß 23:35, 8 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The obvious counter examples are the University of Lwow and the University of Vilnius.radek (talk) 02:44, 13 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

This article mixes University of Wroclaw with former University german university in Breslau Those are completely unrelated entities, which shared buildings and locations but had NOTHING to do with each other — Preceding unsigned comment added by 144.132.216.112 (talk) 00:24, 16 November 2016 (UTC) [reply]

Unbiased article?

So, the university, full of Poles and also Jews, was, basically, a hotbed of Anti-Polonism and Antisemitism? And moreover, of course, a arch of Polish traditions in German occupied Wroclaw, right? Good work, Molobo. Karasek (talk) 14:27, 8 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

What's contradictory about that? Remember that "full" here means 16% Polish, 10% Jewish. That still leaves 74% of Germans to carry out the anti-polonism and anti-semitism.radek (talk) 02:37, 13 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The problem, dear Radek, is that Molobo only picked the facts that he liked and the entire article therefore was about the suppression of minorities, but not about the the university itself, the actual subject of this article. I don't know many articles here at Wikipedia which almost entirely ignore the subject. Which is particular striking, since most older universities in Europe housed a large number of students from abroad. But until now I failed to see a single article which focuses almost entirely on a particular group of students. Karasek (talk) 05:46, 13 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

As suggested above, the article (and related categories etc.) should be split. It makes no sense to pretend 19th century persons studied at a Polish university in Wroclaw.-- Matthead Discuß 22:40, 8 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think that's necessary. After all the modern Polish university doesn't consider itself to be a new university. But the article is deeply flawed bc of Molobos POV, who simply picked some (sometimes unrelated) facts from a book which isn't about the university. Even if you create a new article about the university before '45 some editors will probably start an edit war to save Molobos "facts". Karasek (talk) 06:22, 9 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The book is about the city and history of the university is part of the history of the city. What's the problem?radek (talk) 02:37, 13 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Then please use the book and tell me also when the Polish and Jewish student organisations were founded, tell me about liberal Judaism in Breslau and the large number of Jewish professors at the university, tell me about German student organisations, tell me about the suppression of German students and their organisations and so on. Without all this it's simply POV pushing. Karasek (talk) 05:46, 13 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Where in the world do you see POV pushing? If you have the book, by all means, please use it to expand the article. I also note that so far it is the only source provided in the article.radek (talk) 06:42, 13 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Well, what does the rest of the world consider the modern Polish university: to be a new university, to be a continuation of the former German university, or possibly even a continuation of the former Polish university in Lwow/Lemberg/Lviv? -- Matthead Discuß 00:27, 10 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

It's a bit of all three. A synthesis of various trends.radek (talk) 02:37, 13 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Comment I came here, because suddenly a category of a watched article changed. (I've got no problems with that.) But this discussion seems weird to me, if the university itself see it as a successor and it can be sourced, this is the article about the main university in Wroclaw/Breslau (or whatever); the modern Polish, the Nazi, and the old German (and whatever country, kingdom, and principality in between). The history of the university has to be noted and explained in the article (and the alumni and faculty of the old university can listed in the 'main' categories). This discussion is another example, why I don't edit any Polish-German article, per WP:DISENGAGE (but I don't think I'll come back later). Many articles has a strong bias, and editors are trying to push their view, that's fine by me because I know how to read those articles (or wikipedia on the whole). Although I was concerned about this at first, now I'm smiling, that something like the Danzig rule (Talk:Gdansk/Vote) had to be established, and Nicolaus Copernicus/Kopernikus/Kopernik is even an article to make some waves. I know, I'm breaking my policy by posting here, but I want to wish all editors to have fun and a good time. Cheers Sebastian scha. (talk) 10:37, 25 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

List of rectors

It is way too long and undue. Are there any other articles on Universities that include such lists? I checked University of Lviv, University of Vilnius, Lomonosov Moscow State University, Harvard University, Yale University, University of Fiji, Auburn University, Michigan State University, University of Michigan, Ohio State University, Swarthmore College, Jacksonville State University, National University of Mongolia, University of Gdańsk, Mikołaj Kopernik University in Toruń, University of Strasbourg, Paul Verlaine University - Metz, Nancy-Université, Technical University of Liberec, Humboldt State University, Humboldt University of Berlin, University of Calcutta, University of Nairobi, Uppsala University, University of Malta, University of Phoenix, Podunck Community College ... Chico State... PCU ... Hogwarts University ... and then I got bored looking it up. All that those articles got is notable alumni and professors. If some rector is notable (has a Wiki article) then of course they can be included. The list is unprecedented. There's no reason to have it in this article except to include a long list of people with German names to counter balance the few with Polish ones and to get some payback for the fact that this isn't under "University of Breslau".

It would be fine to start a separate "List of" article but here it is simply undue.radek (talk) 07:04, 13 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Source doesn't confirm claim

"bastions of Poledom" were not found by me in the source presented as containing the text. Also added other information that actually was in the source, plus the date of petition for university in Poznan. --MyMoloboaccount (talk) 15:24, 15 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

You are misinformed, the information you deleted is verifiable. You deleted the following text: The Partitions of Poland resulted in the incorporation of the Grand Duchy of Posen and of West Prussia into the Prussian state. In contrast to the other provinces of Prussia, these territories did not possess universities of their own.^[1] The Prussian government chose to not found universities there because of concerns about creating "bastions of Poledom", but instead to have the Lower Silesian Breslau university also serve the Grand Duchy of Posen (Polish majority) and the East Prussian University of Königsberg also serve West Prussia (30% Poles).^[1]

Ref:

^ ^a ^b Molik, Witold (2007). Dirk Alvermann, Nils Jörn, Jens E. Olesen (ed.). Die Universität Greifswald in der Bildungslandschaft des Ostseeraums (in German). Berlin-Hamburg-Münster: LIT Verlag. p. 374. ISBN 3825801896.{{cite book}}: CS1 maint: multiple names: editors list (link)

Source: "Von den insgesamt 13 preußischen Provinzen besaß beinahe jede eine eigene Universität. Ausnahmen bildeten das von Polen dominierte Großherzogtum Posen sowie Westpreußen, wo Polen eine 30-prozentige Minderheit stellten. [...] Trotz ausdrücklicher Bemühungen von Polen und später auch Deutschen lehnte jedoch die preußische Regierung eine Universitätsgründung in Posen aus politischen Gründen ab. Man befürchtete, diese könnte zu einer Bastion des Polentums werden.[11] In einer Provinz, in der Polen 60 Prozent der Gesamtbevölkerung stellten, galt Posen 'der Regierung aus Angst vor einer polnischen Studentenschaft als Hochschulstandort ungeeignet'.[12] In den Plänen der preußischen Regierung sollte Breslau diese Funktion übernehmen - was auch tatsächlich geschah.[13] Hinsichtlich Westpreußens fiel diese Aufgabe der Universität in Königsberg zu."

As any German speaker can confirm, the text you deleted is backed 100% by the ref given in the respective footnote. "Bastion of Poledom" is taken verbatim from the source and thus in quotes. I will thus restore the deleted text. Skäpperöd (talk) 18:35, 15 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

wrong

" ...Many of the students came from other areas of partitioned Poland ..." implies that Breslau was was a part of partitioned Poland. This is wrong, see the page on partitions of Poland.

~~I can't see anywhere the text Bastion of Poledom.~~Ok I found it. --MyMoloboaccount (talk) 20:10, 15 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

You are incorrect-Duchy of Poznan was created after Congress of Vienna not in Partitions of Poland

moved from user talk Skäpperöd (talk) 05:42, 16 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Duchy of Poznań was created after Congress of Vienna in 1814-1815 from territories of Duchy of Warsaw. It was not created during Partitions of Poland, also it was not part of Prussian state but an autonomous entity. You also deleted the information that the Duchy had 60% Polish majority which is sourced from the very source you provided. May I ask why? ~~Additionally could you point out where the "Bastion of Poledom" fragment is located ? Try as I might, I can't find i~~.--MyMoloboaccount (talk) 20:18, 15 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

You refer to this sentence

The Partitions of Poland resulted in the incorporation of the Grand Duchy of Posen and of West Prussia into the Prussian state.

which you changed to

The Congress of Vienna in 1814-1815 resulted in the formation of Grand Duchy of Posen and incorporation of West Prussia into the Prussian state.

Technically speaking, you are correct about Posen, which was (largely) created as South Prussia in the partitions and was part of the Duchy of Warsaw during the war. This is not true for West Prussia, which during the war remained with the Kingdom of Prussia. I thus changed the sentence to read

By the partitions of Poland, the Kingdom of Prussia incorporated West Prussia and South Prussia, the latter being part of the independent Duchy of Warsaw during the Napoleonic Wars and thereafter largely recreated as the Prussian Grand Duchy of Posen (subsequently, Province of Posen).

Regarding the 60% Poles, the sentence already stated "Polish majority". I don't oppose inserting the value, but these values (30%/60%) are most probably approximates and not hard data. Skäpperöd (talk) 05:42, 16 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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Need to move text on

I guess it is rather absurd that the present University of Wrocław claims any connection to the German Universität Breslau. I advocate that the text on the German university be moved to a dedicated article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Stan Tincon (talk • contribs) 12:36, 12 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The University of Breslau is the University of Wroclaw. Breslau and Wroclaw are the same city. What's absurd is the thinking that there needs to be two separate articles for one university. Mike Winowicz (talk) 19:06, 26 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

[Molik374-1] Molik, Witold (2007). Dirk Alvermann, Nils Jörn, Jens E. Olesen (ed.). Die Universität Greifswald in der Bildungslandschaft des Ostseeraums (in German). Berlin-Hamburg-Münster: LIT Verlag. p. 374. ISBN 3825801896.{{cite book}}: CS1 maint: multiple names: editors list (link)

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