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Pronunciation

I notice that there are no entries for the "vowel sounds" that are ways in which this letter is pronounced in British English (all right, Australian too) and in German. German in particular has one nasty pronunciation shown in IPA by the upside-down letter "a". Also, the the German Theatrical Pronunciation, i.e., "trilled", should be noted. And the "r-colored" vowels should also have a separate listing at the pronunciation table at the bottom. --Sobolewski 16:41, 24 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The nasty German pronunciation, as you put it, sounds much the same as the British English pronunciation of the "er" in "letter" or "teacher".--Unoffensive text or character 07:58, 25 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I've added the German alveolar and uvular trills, and AmE retroflex approximant. Incidentally, given that Arabic, Armenian, Greek, Hebrew, Hindi and Japanese are not usually written in the Roman script, how is it meaningful for them to appear in this table? Hairy Dude 00:28, 28 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

In the pronunciation grid, French and Dutch are in the same row: this is not correct? The French 'R' is a voiced velar fricative! - Katleen, Belgium

I too have a few comments on the pronunciation of the phoneme /r/ in Dutch. It is very often realised as an alveolar trill or tap (most people I know use these). By some Netherlands Dutch speakers, an alveolar approximant is used in some contexts. An uvular trill is not uncommon either, but much more common are uvular approximants and uvular voiced fricatives. A pre-velar bunched approximant (comparable to a retroflex) is used word-final in Netherlands Dutch. See Beverley Collins & Inger M. Mees, The Phonetics of English and Dutch (2003:pp.199-200) for more information.-- Lambik (Belgium) 16:53, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

Since this is an English article, I think the IPA pronunciation in the beginning of the article should be correct for English. Few dialects use the alveolar trill, as is in the given pronunciation. Please use the 180-degree rotated r. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.38.146.6 (talk) 21:47, 11 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

thermal resistance

R is also thermal resistance—Preceding unsigned comment added by 165.230.19.153 (talk • contribs)

I'll add it in.--58.104.75.186 07:20, 16 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Unicode problem

The character ℝ (double-struck R) in the article appears on my computer as a confused box. This could be because I have only five obscure fonts that contain it, but shouldn’t the Unicode template (used here) handle that? I see the character as I type this, but after I save it, it’s a confused box. —Frungi 18:10, 21 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

That’s odd, I’m not having the problem anymore, even though no change has been made to this article or the {{Unicode}} template. —Frungi 02:25, 27 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

amino acid group

in biochemistry is an R group not also the changeable group on an amino acid, attached to the central carbon atom?--Max Randor 21:10, 7 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Audio

The uvular trill sounds particularly nasty and the voiced uvular fricative is much to harsh. Both need to be taken down a few notches. The voiced uvular fricative should be almost frictionless.

Also the Japanese R (Alveolar lateral flap) needs a better (and preferably ogg) audio file. I wish I could contribute it myself but I'm having problems with my mic input. 74.129.182.66 21:31, 4 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

R in Norwegian

In the table in the section Various phonetic realizations of R, I've added Norwegian to the "Alveolar trill" row, since this is the regular pronunciation in dialects not using the uvular trill. Also, I've removed Norwegian from the "Retroflex flap" row -- the retroflex flap is used in (dialectal) Norwegian, but as a realization of L, not R (see the article Retroflex flap). —Preceding unsigned comment added by OMHalck (talk • contribs) 11:11, 15 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

"Various phonetic realizations of R"

I have a couple of issues with this section. Firstly, what is the phonological meaning of a 'weaker' pronunciation of a sound. Secondly, was the 'r' sound really pronounced by English English speakers as an alveolar trill as recently as the late nineteenth and early twentieth centuries? I associate this pronunciation as being mostly Scottish even a century ago. 142.157.208.85 (talk) 10:57, 13 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Rolled R

What about rolled r's ([ɛr]) such as in Icelandic? --Stefán Örvarr Sigmundsson (talk) 03:56, 5 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Egyptian R

The head sign on this page has a phonetic value of "tp." The real R is

97.127.34.184 (talk) 21:05, 15 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The article isn't concerned with the phonetic value of the hieroglyph, but with which one influenced the shape of the Semitic letter that influenced the Greek letter that gave us the Latin letter R. Anomie ⚔ 23:59, 15 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

That's fine, as long as tp is not labeled as being actually an R, as it was at the time. 97.127.53.199 (talk) 16:55, 24 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The head sign is transliterated as 'tp'. It does not refer to its phonetic pronunciation. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 111.240.50.144 (talk) 15:05, 26 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Xhosa R

I think there should be a mention of the Xhosa pronunciation of the letter r, which is almost similar to the Hebrew CH. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Alirie (talk • contribs) 03:49, 21 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Fictional R

Alphablock R (female character) does the R sound. The R suits her name cos she's acts and looks like a pirate. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.206.5.60 (talk) 16:29, 11 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

most varieties of English

Both the alveolar approximant and the retroflex approximant are now attributed to "most varieties" of English, hm. Curiously the "alveolar" ogg file sounds retroflex to me, and the "retroflex" ogg does not! —Tamfang (talk) 01:23, 3 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

{{Listen}} templates?

Should [[Media:...]] be replaced with {{Listen}} templates to embed the sound files into the table? I just clicked on "listen" and my browser downloaded a file. Typically, I don't want anything downloaded to my computer. I just want to hear the file without having to open up more software. Any opinions? I haven't looked at other similar articles to see what they've done. – Kerαunoςcopia^◁_galaxies 20:20, 14 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

In the Related letters"

In the "Related letters and other similar characters" section, is the Cyrillic letter Er actually similar to R? I am asking about the similarity. Speling12345 (talk) 3:55, 13 December 2013 (UTC)

Sagar ubale

SAGAR UBALE REPUBLICAN PARTY OF INDIA(A) SHAHAPUR TALUKA VICE-PRESIDENT(YUTH) Rohan7798 (talk) 14:15, 18 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

R

I just want my sandbox, people?!?-Katavra Sunburst Katavra Sunburst (talk) 01:13, 23 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Special character rendering support for R Rotunda

Hi, I don’t know how to do this myself, or I would. Whoever knows how, just go ahead, I’ll figure it out when I have more time. This page doesn’t render properly in all the places the “R Rotunda” character (Unicode U A75A) is typed, so this page needs the template that says “this page has special characters ...” (I’m unclear on the actual wording.) Thanks!

RobbertMacGreighgor (talk) 07:00, 15 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Cursive R

The section on cursive doesn't actually discuss the usage of a separate glyph for r in modern cursive fonts. However, there is definitely a different glyph used in several cursive typefaces, it is especially useful because of the difficulty of joining a `normal' r to a cursive s and several similar joins. It would be good to have some discussion of this. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 120.18.115.123 (talk) 07:34, 30 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

"ℛ" listed at Redirects for discussion

An editor has asked for a discussion to address the redirect ℛ. Please participate in the redirect discussion if you wish to do so. 1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk) 18:18, 31 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Rhoticity in the lead?

Should we say something about rhoticity in the lead. We have a section on pronunciation. If yes, can someone write it? 𝕁𝕄𝔽 (talk) 14:31, 3 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I think it's pretty important, yes. Many graphemics articles wouldn't have a lot to talk about if they didn't discuss the associated phones and phonemes in spoken languages. Remsense诉 14:41, 3 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Indian rupee sign

Should it be listed as a descendent or not? it's derived from the Latin letter R and also has inspiration from the Devanagari symbol ra. please make your opinion known before I edit it.

;P Daisytheduck (talk) 22:53, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]