Talk:Jama'at al-Tawhid wal-Jihad/Archive 1

Archive 1

Requests

1. Can someone please add a piece on the relationship between Al-Qaeda and Al-Qaeda in Iraq?
2. Can someone please update this entry with the address of the site where this group publishes their fatwas, etc.?
3. I would appreciate if others updates the list of attacks linked in the media to Al-Tawhid Wal-Jihad, since it is difficult for one person to continually keep this article current on top of other commitments. Thankyou.
4. Zarqawi's own page says that "Powell mistakenly referred to Zarqawi as Palestinian", yet this page says that he is Palestinian. Which is true? If it's unknown, this should be represented by ambiguity in the language.
5. Although I would agree that "Monotheism" is a good translation of Tawhid, Hans Wehr notes "unity" before "monotheism" and I have seen other sources (among them globalsecurity.org) translate the group's name as "Unity and Jihad." It has been my experience that Tawhid more often means "unification" or "unity" than "monotheism."
6. Could somebody change the references "America" to "United States of America" or "USA" since everyone living in North and South America is in "America" and not related to the US?
7. How do you add a reference? When I go to edit references, it shows a reflist maker. Are there instructions for how reflist is supposed to be added to?

My changes

I have changed some of the references to 'terrorist' because this is a proven terrorist network, both by their rhetoric and actions. Unlike insurgents, this group attempts to dominate the population through fear. Reading the long list of suicide bombings, car bombings, and other terrorist-style attacks is proof of my claims. BQAggie2004 21:12, 30 August 2005 (UTC)

New additions as of 18 November 2005

I added the Arabic name of Al-Qaeda in Iraq as it appears in today's featured story on al-jazeera.net. I also added an anglicized pronunciation and translation; "bilaad ar-raafidee" translates literally to "tributary lands" but is also a recognized archaic name for Iraq.

Rikki rockett 19:29, 18 November 2005 (UTC)rikki_rockett

Clarification: according to the Hans Wehr Arabic-English dictionary, رافد (Raafid) means "tributary stream", and the dual رافدان or رافداين usually refers to the Tigris and the Euphrates. Rafaelgr 16:57, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

Numbers

Are there any statistics regarding the rough numbers of Al-Qaeda fighting the U.S. in Iraq? Some guy 18:34, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

Well, it is a seperate organization. I don't think this article really makes it clear enough; they aren't Al-Qaeda, they're simply using the name. There's a rather large difference. And I doubt we have any numbers; hard to know given their structure and elusiveness. 69.59.212.172 08:50, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

Zaqawi Death

This article claims it was an RQ-1 Predator involved in the airstrike that killed Zarqawi, but an Army commander in a news brief (the one that showed the video of the strike) said F-16s, so I changed that.

Al Qaeda in Iraq Attacks Outside Iraq

Need a source on the following cited attack:

December 27, 2005: A volley of Katyusha rockets were fired into northern Israel from southern Lebanon.

As far as I know this is only speculative and at best the group that did this is loosely connected to the Al Qaeda network (not just Al Qaeda in Iraq). —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Ckmlb (talk • contribs) .

I agree, it's kind of implausible. I've tagged that as needing verification. Rafaelgr 16:57, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

Name

I've added the full version of the group's name (as found for example here) and what I think is a decent translation of it, and cleaned up a few things which became redundant. Rafaelgr 16:57, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

Improper translation and consequent changes

It seems that in both the Arabic name posted in the article and the transliteration on that Terrorism Knowledge Base page, the phrase containing "Qaa'ida/foundation" ("Organization for Foundation of the Holy Struggle") is an idaafa -- see Arabic_grammar#Genitive_construction_.28I.E1.B8.8D.C4.81fa.29. While you did translate it as such, you rendered its possessed terms as indefinite when the construction appears to be a definite idaafa, as its final noun has a definite article. This requires that all the terms are read as definite, changing the translation to "The Organization of the Foundation of the Holy Struggle," or possibly "Organization of the Foundation of the Holy Struggle" if the first article doesn't rub your English ear right. Noting and correcting this error (which I have also done) would just be pedantic if it were not for the paragraph that says:

'The word "Qa'adah" present in the group's name appears to associate the group with the international Al-Qaeda network, and also uses a name for Iraq (The Land of the Two Rivers, cf. Mesopotamia) associated with the early Islamic period. However, the word "qa'adah" is an Arabic word meaning foundation, principle, or standard. The group's name does not include the definite article "al" (the) for this word as it appears in al-Qaeda.'

The claim about the indefiniteness the word for "foundation" in the group's name is false if my reading of the pertinent idaafa is correct, and I'm pretty certain it is, so I've removed the sentence beginning "However, the word...". Also, I added what I consider an appropriate request for citation for the claim that because the declared name of this Iraqi group and that of an alledged worldwide terrorist network share the word "foundation" there's an association between the two. And of course it also preserves the skepticism of the deleted sentence. 66.133.194.174 23:26, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

Every attack is "Al Qaeda in Iraq"?

• October 27: Four car bombings at Baghdad police stations and the Red Cross headquarters killed 35 and wounded 220 [1].

The above is a good example. The attack did occur, but the external link doesn't say Al Qaeda was responsible.--Patchouli 11:42, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

On a similar note, the list of alleged attacks has grown quite large. I have deleted some of the entries, mainly because they are not unique or particularly notable to be included. For instance, "A suicide car bombing targeting an Iraqi security officer killed 5 and wounded 27 in the town of Balad" is not particularly notable because bombings with such a toll occur every day in Iraq and there is nothing special about such an incident. Others I have left in because they left large numbers of casualties or were against a "spectacular" target. I realize these are my opinions, but I believe there should be some criteria for adding to the list. And we certainly don't know if Zarqawi's group even committed all of these attacks. PBP 20:48, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

The latest attack added to the list has the same issue. Linked article in no way states al-Qaeda in Iraq (AQII) participation. When the article does mention AQII involvement, it is based only on the statements of Iraqi or US government officials. I looked at the 2007 attacks, and only one linked article mentions AQII (there are also many 404s in the list). 64.0.88.181 12:50, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

Once again, most of those news articles do not specify that Al-Qaeda in Iraq was responsible for the events listed. Most of the Yahoo news citations are now gone from the Yahoo site. I suggest that any attack that cannot be linked to al-Qaeda be removed. It is misleading. Jameshands 17:00, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

News update for you guys: al-qaeda has announced that they are running the insurgent war in Iraq. The funny thing is that they have never lied to us yet. So a troop pullout now would mean losing Iraq to al-qaeda giving them a more powerful base from which to launch more 9/11's. Jtpaladin 14:21, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

The talk page is not an appropriate venue for this discussion. 64.0.88.180 15:39, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

Why?

Why did Zarqawi started Al Qaeda in Iraq, plz state the references

Mistake ?

and also uses a name for Iraq (The Land of the Two Rivers, cf. Mesopotamia) associated with the early Islamic period.

Mesopotamia (Greek, Land of Two Rivers), or Bilad Al Rafidayn (Arabised version of Mesopotamia) was the name given to the Land between the Tigris and Euphrates since ancient times, Alexander the Great's era sort of time. Its definitely not associated with Islamic period. --Lord Anubis 09:53, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

Name Transliteration

This is an excellent article. I still have a concern about the name "Al-Qaeda in Iraq." They don't call themselves Al-Qaeda. Why do Westerners? Granted the organization is sympathetic to the al-Qaeda that OBL runs, but they're not the same organization. Period.

Two: I eliminated "The goals of the Al-Qaeda network have shifted considerably over the years. The organization gradually became more globalized and, following the fall of Baghdad to American forces, Iraq clearly became the main focus. " I contest the assertions and I think whoever put it in had enough time to cite his/her sources. MarkB2 14:04, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

Disputed section

Since there is no discussion here, and two of the "failed verification" are almost straight quotes from their refernces I have removed the tags on this section. Rich Farmbrough, 22:27 21 April 2007 (GMT).

Name error

"[...] more commonly known as al-Qaeda in Iraq by western media and others in the west". I dislike this sentence as much as i dislike the usage of the page name itself. First of all, beside that nobody know who the "others in the west" shall be, the "others" do not have any relevancy, so this phrase is dispensable. The second thing is that the western media is commonly defined as North America (mainly USA and Canada), and Europe (mainly Western and Central). To speak for Europe the name is very uncommon, it was probably created by the american media to set a closer link to Al-Qaeda, Afghanistan and Bin Laden. So please change the sentence into "american media" or give some valid sources for that claim. 0v3r533r 12:21, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

Actually, they do call themselves "Al Qaeda in Iraq, they made the official name change in late 2005, early 2006. They even had a press release I believe, but I cannot find it. However, they do go by Jamiaat Al Qaeda fi al Bilad al Rafidayn (rough transliteration) which literally would mean the "Organization of the Base in the land of Mesopotamia." Of course we have come to know 'the base' organization as Al Qaeda. And no one calls it Mesopotamia anymore, so we are stuck with Al Qaeda in Iraq. I don't know why it is still listed as TWJ in Wikipedia.

Items that need citations of attribution to group

2004

• February 10-February 11: Two car bombs at a police station and recruiting center kill 100.
• February 18: A truck bombing outside a Polish-run base in al-Hillah that killed at least 10 people.
• March 17: A car bomb detonated outside Baghdad's Mount Lebanon hotel, killing seven people. On April 6, a Web site linked to Kurdish group Ansar al-Islam carried audiotape from a speaker who identified himself as al-Zarqawi and claimed responsibility for the bombing.
• April 21: Bombings in Basra killed 74.
• May 2: The group claims responsibility for a mortar attack that killed six marines in the Ramadi area.
• May 11: Kidnapped American businessman Nicholas Berg is beheaded while videotaped, and voice of knife-wielder is identified as al-Zarqawi's.
• May 18: A car bomb assassinates Iraqi Governing Council president Abdel-Zahraa Othman, better known as Izzadine Saleem.
• May 22: A suicide car bomb wounds Iraqi Deputy Interior Minister Abdul-Jabbar Youssef and kills at least four others.
• June 14: A car-bomb attack on a vehicle convoy in Baghdad kills 13 people, including three General Electric employees. A Web site posting purportedly written by the "military wing of Monotheism and Jihad," also believed to be led by al-Zarqawi, claims responsibility.
• June 22: Kidnappers behead South Korean hostage Kim Sun-il, who was last shown alive with his captors in a videotape on Arab satellite TV channel Al Jazeera. Al Jazeera says the execution was carried out by Monotheism and Jihad, a group believed to be led by al-Zarqawi.
• June 24: Coordinated insurgent attacks on Iraqi police and government buildings in Mosul, Baquba, Ramadi, Fallujah, and Baghdad kill roughly 100 people, including three U.S soldiers, and wound several hundred more. JTJ is suspected of playing a major role, and many guerillas participating in the attacks wore headbands with the group's name.
• July 8: Militants linked with Zarqawi decapitated Georgi Lazov, 30, and Ivaylo Kepov, 32, Bulgarian truck drivers.
• October 15: Bombers in the Green Zone kill five people, including four American civilians, in the first serious penetration of that area.
• December 19: Car bombs in Karbala and Najaf kill 60 people.

2005

• January 30: About 40 people are killed in attacks during the Iraqi legislative election.
• February 4: A suicide bomber kills 25 in the Northern city of Tal Afar. The suicide bomber rammed his car inside a tent of mourners in a Kurdish funeral.
• February 28: A car bomb killed 125 people outside a clinic in Hillah in the deadliest single insurgent attack.
• July 7: Insurgents launch a series of attacks against military convoys, checkpoints and police patrols, using automatic weapons and rocket-propelled grenades. The attacks leave at least 33 dead and dozens wounded. Zarqawi claims responsibility.
• July 16: A suicide bombing in Musayyib kills at least 98.
• September 29: Bombings in Balad kill more than 100.
• October 24: Coordinated car bombings outside the Sheraton Ishtar and the Palestine Hotel in Baghdad leave at least 17 Iraqis dead.
• November 18: Two truck bombs explodes outside the Hamra Hotel in Baghdad, killing six; in Khanaqin, near the Iranian border, bombers in two mosques kill at least 74.

2006

• January 10: Two suicide bombers disguised as senior police officers detonated themselves outside the main entrance of the Interior Ministry in Baghdad. The attack killed 23 Iraqi police officers and wounded 21 others.
• February 22: The Al Askari Mosque bombing, which touched off a wave of sectarian violence but denied by Mujahideen shura council as carried out by them
• April 7: A triple suicide bombing of a Baghdad mosque leaves around 85 dead.
• April 28: 100 insurgents attack Iraqi police and army posts, killing 30 people, including 7 Iraqi soldiers.

Items that failed verification of any attribution to group

2004

• June 27: 2 car bombs explode near a mosque killing 40 in the southern Shiite Iraqi city of Hillah.
• July 29: 68 people were killed in Baquba when a suicide bomber drove a mini-bus into a marketplace near a police station where would-be recruits were lined up.
• August 2: 11 people were killed when insurgents set off car bombs outside 5 Churches in Iraq.
• September 6: 7 American marines and 3 Iraqi Guardsmen are killed when a suicide bomber in a car rams their convoy.

2005

• March 3: Two separate suicide bombings taregtting Iraqi security forces leaves 13 dead and 30 wounded. [2]
• March 9: A suicide garbage truck bombing near al-Sadeer hotel in central Baghdad leaves one dead and 10 injured. [3]
• March 11: A suicide bomber blows himself up at a Shia funeral in the city of Mosul killing 47 and wounded more than 100. [4]
• March 25: A suicide car bomber kills 11 policemen in the city of Ramadi. The bomber struck a police checkpoint, among the injuries includes 2 US soldiers. [5]
• April 19: A suicide car bombing kills 4 and wounds 38 near Baghdad's Adhamiya Palace which is an Iraqi army recruitment center. [6]
• April 22: A suicide car bomber blew up near a Shia mosque in Baghdad killing 9. [7]
• April 25: Two dual bomb attacks hit a Shiite area of Baghdad killing 24 and wounding 58. [8]
• May 6: A suicide bomber with bombs strapped to his body blew himself up amongst hundreds of Iraqis seeking recruitment with security forces, the bombing killed 33. [9]
• May 24: 2 car bombings targeting a shia gathering of a prominent shia leader kills 15 in Tel-Afar. And in another attack a suicide car bomber killed 5 members of a security team travelling with the convoy of a Patriotic Union of Kurdistan official. And north of Bagdhad a trio of suicide bombers target an American base injuring 3 American soldiers. [10]
• May 28: 7 Iraqis are killed and 35 wounded when a two blasts occur near a US-Iraqi military base. [11]
• June 19: A suicide bomber attacks a crowded Bagdhad restaurant as Iraqi police and security forces were eating lunch, the attack killed 23 and wounded 36. [12]
• June 22: three car bombs exploded within 10 minutes of each other killing 18 and wounding 46. The bombings took place a shia area north of Baghdad. [13]
• June 25: A suicide bomb attack on an American military convoy in Fallujah leaves 4 marines dead and 13 wounded. [14]
• June 27: 3 suicide bombings targeting Iraqi military and police stations leave 15 policemen dead and 18 wounded in the city of Mosul. Among other attacks in the city, 16 laborers were also killed in a bomb blast at the parking lot of the Kasak army post. [15]
• June 28: A Shiite tribal leader who is a member of Iraqs national assembly is killed when a suicide car bomber rams into his convoy killing 2 others who were with him. [16]
• July 3: 3 suicide bombings across Baghdad kill 21 and wound 48, most of the dead were Iraqi police officers and commandos. [17]
• July 10: A suicide bomber wearing explosives device detonates at an Iraqi army recruiting centere killing 22 and wounding 50 others. The attack took place in Baghdad. Elsewhere another suicide bomber blows up near the offices an Iraqi commander of the army killing 4 in the city of Kirkuk. [18]
• July 13: A suicide bomber targets an American convoy in Baghdad killing 27. [19]
• July 20: A suicide bomber blows himself up outside an Iraqi army recruitment center killing 8 and wounding 28 others. The attack took place in the country's capital Baghdad. [20]
• July 24: A suicide car bomber detonates outside a police station in Baghdad killing 25 and wounding 35. [21]
• July 29: A suicide bomber blew himself up in an Iraqi army recruiting center in the town of Rubia killing 26 people.[22]
• September 16: A suicide car bomber detonates outside a shia mosque in Tuz just outside the northern Iraqi city of Kirkuk, the attack leaves 10 dead and 21 wounded. [23]
• September 17: A car bombing just outside Baghdad leaves 30 dead and 38 wounded. The attack took place in a mainly shia industrial area. [24]
• September 21: 4 Americans in Mosul were killed when a suicide car bomber rammed his car into a convoy of three SUVs. One of those killed was an American diplomat. [25]
• October 12: A suicide bomber killed 30 and wounded 40 at an Iraqi army and police recruitment center in Tal Afar. [26]
• Novemvber 2: A suicide car bombing kills 20 in a shia area south of Baghdad. [27]
• November 24: A suicide bomber detonated himself in a hospital in Mahmoudiya killing 30. The blast took place as task force Baghdad soldiers were present at the hospital. [28]
• December 3: A large bomb killed 10 U.S. marines and wounded 11 others in Falluja during a nighttime foot patrol. [29]
• December 8: Thirty people were killed when a suicide bomber detonated himself onboard a bus in Baghdad. The bus was headed for Nasiriyah, a Shiite city. [30]

2006

• January 4: A suicide bomber killed 36 people and wounded 40 others at a funeral in northeast Iraq. The funeral was for Mohammad al-Bakka, nephew of Ahmad al-Bakka, who himself survived and assassination attempt, and is a member of Iraqi prime minister Ibrahim al-Jaafari's Dawa Party. [31]
• January 5: 80 people were killed in one single suicide bombing in Ramadi, the bomber detonated himself near a police recruitment center. 45 other people were killed in a separate bombing in Karbala, a Shiite holy city. [32]
• February 28: A nighttime blast near a Shiite mosque in Baghdad killed 25 people and wounded 43. [33]
• March 27: A suicide bomber detonated his explosive belt in a line of Iraqi recruits for security forces, the bombing killed up to 40 people and wounded 30, the attack took place at Kisik base north of Iraq. [34]
• April 6: 10 people were killed, and 39 were wounded when a car bomb exploded near the Imam Ali Shrine in Najaf. [35]
• May 4: 16 people were killed at an Iraqi police recruitment center in Falluja. A suicide bomber walked toward a group of recruits detonating his explosive device. [36]
• June 3: A car bombing at a crowded market killed 33 people and wounded 55, the bombing took place in the mainly Shiite southern city of Basra. [37]
• July 23: 32 people were killed in Baghdad's Sadr City section when a suicide bomber in a minibus detonated a bomb in a market place. And a car bombing in outside a courthouse in Kirkuk killed 18. [38]
• August 15: A suicide truck bombing outside the party headquarters for the Patriotic Union of Kurdistan leaves 9 dead and 36 others wounded. The attack took place in the city of Mosul. [39]
• December 9: A suicide car bomber kills 5 and injures more than 40 in the Shia holy city of Karbala, the bomber struck near a Shia holy site. [40]
• November 12: Two suicide bombers kill 35 Iraqis and wound 60 others, the suicide bombers struck a police recruiting center in western Baghdad. [41]
• November 13: A suicide bomber blows himself up onboard a bus in northeast Baghdad killing 10 and wounding 17. [42]

Who wrote this article???

First of all, THIS GROUP IS BEST KNOWN AS AL-QAEDA IN IRAQ (or, just "al-Qaeda" [in Iraq]). It's called in 99% of ALL media reports since THEY CHANGED THEIR NAME to AL-QAEDA IN THE LAND OF THE TWO RIVERS. Jama'at al-Tawhid wal-Jihad name DOES NOT EVEN EXIST ANYMORE. What the hell!

And what I see next? "Jama'at al-Tawhid wal-Jihad was started by Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, who himself was never Al Qaeda," What an absolute, total, worthless crap article. --HanzoHattori 13:50, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

They do not call themselves "al-qaeda". Donald Rumsfeld admitted himself that al-Zarqawi could be considered NOT to be al-qaeda. His group is al-Tawhid. They are only called al-qaeda in certain western media for propaganda purposes. Lft6771 05:55, 10 June 2007 (UTC)

Oh-yeah. Your source being...?

• Reuters: Al Qaeda in Iraq leader killed: Interior Ministry
• Associated Press: Sunnis Revolt Against al-Qaeda In Iraq
• AFP: Deputy leader of Al-Qaeda in Iraq captured
• BBC: Al-Qaeda in Iraq names new head
• CNN: Al Qaeda in Iraq issues virulent manifesto
• ABC: Al Qaeda leader in Iraq 'killed by insurgents'
• Al-Jazeera: Al-Qaeda denies death of Iraq chief

Just a few examples from the most major sources. There are thousands upon thousands - would name any one which for a change does NOT call them "al-Qaeda in Iraq" or doesn't even consider them being a part of al-Qaeda in Iraq? You know, these not-"certain western media" you talk so much about (and in the recent times). ANY major newspaper, at least?

Remember: NO original research. --HanzoHattori 07:42, 10 June 2007 (UTC)

And when was even the last time anything done in the name of Tawhid, and not a successor name or umbrella group?

Oh and yeah, some of a "certain" papers:

• The Guardian Confusion over fate of al-Qaida in Iraq leader after four die in raid
• Washington Post: Al-Qaeda in Iraq May Not Be Threat Here
• TIME: Is al-Qaeda on the Run in Iraq?
• USA Today: Death of a top al-Qaeda in Iraq figure confirmed
• International Herald Tribune: Leader of Al Qaeda in Iraq reportedly killed
• Christian Science Monitor: US is logging gains against Al Qaeda in Iraq
• Chicago Tribune: Al Qaeda in Iraq targets ex-allies
• New York Times: News about Al Qaeda in Mesopotamia, including commentary and archival articles published in The New York Times.

And so on, on, and on. What are these yours "uncertain"? If you won't answer, I'm scrapping this article and begin from a stub (using parts of the existing article in the process), and same thing with al-Qaeda in Iraq. --HanzoHattori 07:55, 10 June 2007 (UTC)

Day passed. I'm giving you 24 more hours to back your claims (authoritative sources, no blogs or whatever) before I revert all the original reseach as such. Or actually: limit this article only to Tawhid (until it became in fact the AQI), and make al-Qaeda in Iraq on subject, instead of all the disambiguation links. --HanzoHattori 20:36, 10 June 2007 (UTC)

Oh, and one more thing: I may at times be pretty frustrated and sound pretty warlike with what I write and do, but I actually just want the better articles (based on the common knowledge and a cited sources). It's nothing personal (I don't even know you after all). I you're ready for this, maybe we would work out some kind of consensus on this and even help each other. --HanzoHattori 20:46, 10 June 2007 (UTC)

All source of your claims and allegations are from U.S. officials and U.S. corporate media. Linking of two different groups without 100% undeniable proof will be rejected. English al-Jazeera link used a U.S. news media source (end of article). al-Zarqawi timeline: [43] -Lft6771 04:51, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

And what is this "Cooperative Research" that it makes it seemingly more authoratitive then Reuters or BBC or even Associated Press? Also, it ends in 2003 - while AQI started in 2004, so I don't even know what you wanted to prove. It doesn't mtter if there's no "100% undeniable proof" (is there really for anything?) - what matters, is that at least 99% of all reports nowadays use the name of AQI (often shortened to just "al-Qaeda", skipping "in Iraq" - especially while quoting the Iraqis - for example, [44]] by CBC News) and not any other one except AQI's umbrella grups, like recently the Islamic State of Iraq [45] (at least in the English language, but this is English encyclopedia). What you makes is original research and/or conspiracy theory and I advise you to stop (Wikipedia:No original research). --HanzoHattori 08:36, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

I stand by HanzoHattori here. --MichaelLinnear 23:27, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

They are all wrong because facts are they do not call themselves "al-qaeda" and these western media are just repeating misinformation propagandized to them by U.S. government and millitary officials. -Lft6771 06:42, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

Sorry, but what you're doing here is called original research, you can only use what has been published by reliable sources, and for Wikipedia purposes the Western media is a reliable source. --MichaelLinnear 06:45, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

And wait, wait, wait - I just noticed, you wrote... claims and allegations [of] corporate media?

Oh god, I laughed hard. So now I'm deleting everything and stabb.... I mean, stubbing all of your articles for staring according to the Wikipedia rules. --HanzoHattori 06:44, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

Again, they do not use the name "al-Qaeda". It is Tenzheem Qa'adah al-Jihad. Think, use your head. Just because U.S. and certain other media asserts 2 6 = 500, does not make it so. You are pushing your views. The associated press is a huge corporation, they can easily propagate misinformation. Where is the "al-Qaeda" in "Tenzheem Qa'adah al-Jihad fi bilad al-Rafidayn". I do not see any "al-qaeda." I see Organization for Foundation of the Jihad in the lands of the two rivers. Get a translator if you're not convinced.

Or do you think that everything that a corporate news reporting agency asserts is fact, without question, even if they provide no evidence of clearly contradictory and inconsistant information and it is clearly false.

I believe you have an agenda and you're deleting of all this content and inserting your own original research and disputed information. Calling them "al-qaeda in Iraq" is not correct, no matter what a corporate news reporting agency says (which you believe is infallible)

Also, there is no proof that one group suceeded the other or that al-Zarqawi (a rival of bin Laden) swore allegiance to him. There is no evidence that al-Zarqawi was in Iraq and there were many reports of his death. He was believed killed in Afghanistan.

There is evidence that suggest that the al-Zarqawi Iraq myth is being promoted by U.S. officials. Remember, al-Zarqawi first reappeared after the horrifying pictures from the U.S. torture at Abu Ghraib. The video served the purpose of showing graphic, horrifying content that drew the attention from the Abu Ghraib pictures. It was alleged that the speaker on the video was al-Zarqawi, but there was no proof and how would they know, he was masked and also was skinny and did not speak with a Jordanian accent. Also, the fact that the victim wore an orange prisoner outfit just like the ones that prisoners held in Iraq by the U.S. wore.

Also, you are pushing claims, that show you do have an agenda. Where do you get information that JTJ is part of al-Qaeda. Where do you get that JTJ is part of Mujahideen Shura Council.

You are pushing a lot of disputed things as facts and you expect it to be accepted because U.S. officials say so.

If you have anything to contribute, contribute it, and do not delete content you do not like and rewrite this article to support your own point of view. The reason I do not bother with you is because I believe you do have an agenda and can not be reasoned with. -Lft6771 20:27, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

al-Qaida in Iraq presently redirects to ISIS. I think our content here was largely duplicated there, though there was such a chaos that I'm not sure. I've recently completed a massive removal of the post-2004 material so that this can serve as a sub-article to the ISIS article, with the notion that we need another such article for al-Qaida in Iraq, and at least one more for ISI. Wnt (talk) 06:54, 6 September 2014 (UTC)

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How this article should be written

This page is about the group called "Al-Qaeda in Iraq". For the alleged earlier involvement of al-Qaeda in Iraq, see Saddam Hussein and al-Qaeda.

Tenzheem Qa'adat al-Jihad Fi Bilad al-Rafidayn Jama'at al-Tawhid wal-Jihad Ansar al-Islam
File:Shosei Koda.jpg Tenzheem Qa'adah al-Jihad members with Shosei Koda. The banner contains the words from right to left on the bottom: "Qa'adah" (Priniciple/Foundation), "Tenzheem" (Organization/Organizing), and "al-Jihad" (The Holy Struggle)
Leaders	Abu Musab al-Zarqawi† Abu Hamza al-Muhajir (Abu Ayyub al-Masri)
Dates of operation	2003-present
Active regions	Iraq, Jordan
Part of	Al-Qaeda (since 2004), Mujahideen Shura Council (2006), Islamic State of Iraq (since 2006)
Opponents	Multinational force in Iraq, Iraq (Iraqi Security Forces, Kurdish and Shia militias, some of Iraqi Sunni militias), Hashemite Kingdom of Jordan
Battles and wars	Iraqi insurgency

These are just examples. Watch and learn, armchair experts:

BBC: Guide: Armed groups in Iraq (2006)

AL-QAEDA IN IRAQ Al-Qaeda of Jihad Organisation in the Land of the Two Rivers is the country's most prominent insurgent group, blamed for many of the bloodiest bombings and beheadings. It was led by the Jordanian militant, Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, until he was killed by a US air strike in June 2006. He emerged in Iraq as the alleged head of the Tawhid and Jihad group, which was blamed for some of the biggest early insurgent attacks. These included the truck bombing that killed 23 at the UN headquarters in Baghdad in August 2003 and the blast in Najaf 10 days later that killed a senior Shia cleric and more than 85 others. Tawhid and Jihad was also known for the brutal beheadings of foreign hostages, which were posted on the internet in video footage attributed to the group. An internet statement in 2004 claimed that the group had joined Osama Bin Laden's al-Qaeda network, although the depth of the links is not clear. Al-Qaeda in Iraq's hallmarks include synchronised bomb attacks, as well as the abduction and murder of foreign hostages. The bombs have had a range of targets - from US military personnel to Iraq's fledgling security forces and its Shia community. Shia Muslims have been derided as apostates in messages attributed to Zarqawi. Igniting sectarian conflict is central to al-Qaeda's strategy in Iraq, according to a letter purportedly authored by Zarqawi and released by the US military in early 2004. Foreign "jihadi" fighters are widely thought to play a key role in the group, although some analysts say it may have also have a considerable Iraqi membership. Shortly after Zarqawi's death, al-Qaeda in Iraq named a new leader, Abu-Hamzah al-Muhajir, thought to be a pseudonym. Uncertainly surrounds the new leader, although the US military released a picture of a man it named as Abu Ayyub al-Masri and said was an Egyptian militant based in Baghdad.

Which would make as a good intro and the starting point for the article (if not the copyvio - at least if not copied directly). Just add some wat... I mean, etymology/Arabic.

Or in very short: Quick guide: Violence in Iraq

Al-Qaeda in Iraq is the best-known of the jihadi groups and has been blamed for many of the bombings and beheadings.

Al-Jazeera adds its own important commentary: Al-Qaeda in Iraq

Ironically, despite US accusations of weapons of mass destruction and al-Qaeda links with Saddam, there was no evidence of any al-Qaeda presence in Iraq before the American invasion.

Today, al-Qaeda has become a destabilising force in Iraq and threatens to escalate the sectarian war between Sunnis and Shia.

As I said before, this article should be almost (besides my edited template and the pictures) completely scrapped and started anew (better even a small but informative article than a bunch of original research and dead links). The current article is very bad, and when reverted again to its stupid form, also silly - and simply confusing and disinforming anyone who clicks the #1 Google link looking for some useful information.

If you want, you can use several articles for each name/group (like Tawhid) - after all, AQI was created only in 2004. --HanzoHattori 21:56, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

Oh, and before it's destroyed and changed into a stupid one - my version of template saved here. It's by no means perfect, it's jut not idiotic. --HanzoHattori 22:05, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

Problems with your version: 1. They do not call themselves "al-qaeda". 2. They are different groups. -Lft6771 04:54, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

Problems with your version: 1. You do not cite any sources. 2. You do not cite any sources. --HanzoHattori 08:33, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

Glorifying terrorists!

Is it just about glorifying Iraqie terrorists!--Pine oak 01:30, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

Stub done (now being expanded)

al-Qaeda in Iraq next (then other connected groups and umbrella organizations). --HanzoHattori 07:25, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

OK, article ready from my side. Move on to Al-Qaeda in Iraq. --HanzoHattori 11:36, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

The "totally disputed" tag told me to see the talk page

And so I did. What's your problem now? They ("corporate media") are "all wrong", again? --HanzoHattori 09:11, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

Major rewrite

After going through this I realized we were missing much material, there were many things duplicated, and so I've gone through and tried to hack it into shape as a purely JTJ article that peters out in late 2004. My intent is (as stated above) the Al-Qaida in Iraq content should be entirely separate. Even if were merged, we had such a morass there that I think it was for the best to chop it out and let someone re-add it in (at least) a separate section. Wnt (talk) 06:38, 6 September 2014 (UTC)

Agree~Technophant (talk) 08:30, 6 September 2014 (UTC)

Propose to remove active sanctions warning

I think the relation of this group to Syria is very indirect. Remember, it swore loyalty to Osama bin Laden and renamed itself in 2004, to become part of an Iraqi opposition to a U.S.-led invasion, at a time when Syria seemed totally off-limits as a separate, tightly controlled, Russia-aligned power. I think it would make sense, if we have consensus, to take away the notice this article inherited by means of being split from ISIS. I don't expect many edit wars over the content, because it's all very long ago. Wnt (talk) 06:48, 6 September 2014 (UTC)

Agree removed~Technophant (talk) 08:31, 6 September 2014 (UTC)

Merger proposal

Proposal to merge Al-Qaeda in Iraq and Jama'at al-Tawhid wal-Jihad. The latter article states that it "gradually became popularly known as al-Qaeda in Iraq", and both articles assert that their subjects are led by Abu Musab al-Zarqawi; i.e. they are the same organization.-Samuel Tan 07:16, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

Oppose. The ISIS article needs to be split up, but it should be split up into self-contained pieces. From what we have there I'm interpreting a few major transitions, with the transition from Jordan to Iraq and loyalty to al-Qaida definitely being among those. It wasn't instantaneous and there will be some degree of overlap, but it is as good a natural boundary to the history as you'll find. Honestly... the version I see right now seems like it's got the wrong title, or the wrong content - the ISIS article has a big section about an organization with the name I see at the top of the page, which is NOT here. Wnt (talk) 05:14, 6 September 2014 (UTC)

OpposeTawhid was Jihad became Al Qaeda in Iraq only after Zarqawi publicly pledged allegiance to Al Qaeda in 2004. Gazkthul (talk) 23:13, 6 September 2014 (UTC)

Oppose per all.~Technophant (talk) 01:10, 10 September 2014 (UTC)

Redirects

I moved over a dozen redirects from ISIL here to this page here. Could somebody please check my work?~Technophant (talk) 01:23, 10 September 2014 (UTC)

Removed assertions about 'goals of JTJ' in Iraq

Section 'Goals and tactics in Iraq' started with a vague letter, from some Abu Muhammad (who is he??), dated 9 July 2005. What is the status of that letter? Why should we accept it as the declaration of JTJ of its goals? --Corriebertus (talk) 14:35, 1 January 2015 (UTC)

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