Talk:Helene Lecher

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A fact from Helene Lecher appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 6 May 2023 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that Helene Lecher's presentation at the Women at the Hague conference, which Mary Heaton Vorse described as the "most moving speech of all the Congress", urged for peace?

A record of the entry may be seen at Wikipedia:Recent additions/2023/May. The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Helene Lecher.

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The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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Reviewer: Mujinga (talk · contribs) 17:34, 21 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Criteria: 1a. prose () 1b. MoS () 2a. ref layout () 2b. cites WP:RS () 2c. no WP:OR () 2d. no WP:CV ()

3a. broadness () 3b. focus () 4. neutral () 5. stable () 6a. free or tagged images () 6b. pics relevant ()

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References

References are topnotch, layout is great. Article is neutral, broad, stable, focused. Have not found any copyvio.

Spotchecks

4a ok
4b needs to be marked p2

done SusunW (talk) 19:13, 21 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

4c ok, needs to be marked p2

I'm confused. Is it okay or needs p. 2? I think what mean is that it is verified on page 2? I checked and changed the p #. SusunW (talk) 19:13, 21 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Done Mujinga (talk) 09:31, 22 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

4d seems to be all the kids, not just the girls - plus the 3Rs, needs to be marked p2

changed to "they" and p 2 SusunW (talk) 19:13, 21 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Done Mujinga (talk) 09:31, 22 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

30a ok
30b, 31 ok
35 ok
43 ok

Pix

The one pic is relevant and appropriately licensed

Prose

Generally excellent as normal, here's some queries:

"From a young age, Rosthorn was influenced by a caretaker on her mother's estate about the importance of diet in assisting recovery from illness" - influenced .. about ... reads strange to me, can you rephrase?

Hmmm, concerning? on?, but I've just used on, so maybe over? If that works, then done. SusunW (talk) 18:25, 21 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Done Mujinga (talk) 09:32, 22 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

"She asked whether man's intent was to force women to build international networks and decide to stop populating the world" - this reads funny, I'm not sure who is intending to stop populating, man or woman. can your rephrase?

Men would force women to do it. Maybe taking out decide helps? SusunW (talk) 18:25, 21 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Done Mujinga (talk) 09:32, 22 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

"She reported that as part of their care, she tried to educate children about the importance of internationalism" - link Internationalism (politics)?

done SusunW (talk) 18:25, 21 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

"head of a 6,000-bed hospital for the Grinzing District barracks facility," - do you need barracks and facility?

done SusunW (talk) 18:25, 21 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

"Versöhnungsbundes (Union of Reconciliation) who urged the Chancellor of Austria in 1928, " - don't think the comma is needed?

deleted SusunW (talk) 18:25, 21 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

oh that's sad to be killed by a hit-and-run cyclist

I know. I asked Kusma to check it for me because it seemed bizarre that someone on a bicycle could kill someone, but indeed, that's what it means. And to not stop. It's not like a car where you might have blind spots and not seen, this would have required physical contact. So tragic. SusunW (talk) 18:25, 21 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

" She was remembered for her care of the wounded during the war and after the conflict for her dedication to youth and the poor" - remembered by who? perhaps "after the conflict" should be at end of sentence

added "in the obituary which appeared in Die Österreicherin and deleted after the conflict. SusunW (talk) 19:42, 21 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Done Mujinga (talk) 09:33, 22 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

lead :
- where is "she studied at the German School" in the text? Here: " From 1895, Rosthorn was involved in theater productions with the Deutscher Schulverein (German School Association) of Prague. "?

- Yes, how could non-students (except possibly parents or chaperones) be part of a school association? Thus, to my mind, she was a student. But, I changed it to read "she was involved with the German School Association" SusunW (talk) 19:42, 21 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

yes i agree it's a reasonable assumption but by the timing she was already quite old (30), and what got me was I was looking for THE German School of Prague to see if we could wikilink it. Much better now thanks! Mujinga (talk) 09:35, 22 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

- " she converted two of the former hospital barracks in the Grinzing District of Vienna into a facility for children which provided housing for orphans, a children's play garden, a clinic, and a distribution center for food and clothing" - seems a bit different to what is in article

- Article body says Accommodations, a children's play garden, and a convalescent and health care area with specialized equipment were established and Food and clothing were donated by the Austrian and Danish Red Cross organizations and by international hospital relief networks. My distinct impression, because only a few of the children who were orphans or convalescing stayed in the facility so why would they need to collect clothes, is that the bulk of the goods collected were distributed. Korotin describes it as a day home, and Janik & Veigl say that she "organized the distribution of donations for the children". p 34 Perhaps I need to make that clearer. I added after "relief networks", "and distributed to children in need". If that works, then I am fairly sure that the body text is similar to the lede. SusunW (talk) 19:42, 21 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Done Mujinga (talk) 09:36, 22 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Overall

Hi SusunW, I'll take this on to review Mujinga (talk) 17:34, 21 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Looking forward to working with you. SusunW (talk) 17:48, 21 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Everything seems quite close to GA standard, putting on hold Mujinga (talk) 18:20, 21 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Mujinga After wandering over and fixing the brewers, thanks for alerting me, I think I have answered everything, but if not, please just let me know. I do appreciate your always-helpful comments and efforts to improve articles. SusunW (talk) 19:44, 21 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

yes looking over the edits now and everything is Done, congrats on another GA! Mujinga (talk) 09:37, 22 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Did you know nomination

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The result was: promoted by Lightburst (talk) 00:57, 2 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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... that Helene Lecher's presentation at the Women at the Hague conference, which Mary Heaton Vorse described as the "most moving speech of all the Congress", urged for peace? Source: Vorse, Mary Heaton (1935). "5. Women's Peace Conference: The Suffragettes – Grief – Prayer for the Dead – Futility – Neutral Landscape". A Footnote to Folly: Reminiscences of Mary Heaton Vorse. New York, New York: Farrar & Rinehart. pp. 79–89. OCLC 1299608. Archived from the original on 7 December 2022. Page 84
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Union Pacific 4014
- Comment: Wanted to make the hook bigger but I didn't have enough room.

Improved to Good Article status by SusunW (talk) and Mujinga (talk). Nominated by Onegreatjoke (talk) at 23:14, 27 April 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Helene Lecher; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.[reply]

Newly GA-ed, properly written, no plagiarism, hook AGF-ed. QPQ done. Hook could perhaps use mention of a year, to clarify the historical context. Dahn (talk) 04:09, 28 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]