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Did you know nomination

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: rejected by reviewer, closed by Launchballer talk 13:00, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Senior judge Paik Jong-won is a celebrity chef in Korea.

... that the judges of the Culinary Class Wars (pictured) were blindfolded and spoon-fed?

Source: The blind taste test in which two grown men in three-piece suits are blindfolded and spoon-fed is hilarious. It must be nerve-racking for the judges too, surrending to whatever goes into their mouths.

ALT1 ... that the judges of the Culinary Class Wars suffered from over-eating but judge Paik Jong-won (pictured) still ate his packed lunch too?

Source: They suffered from being so full all the time on the show because of tasting everything, but what was truly amazing to witness was Mr. Paik eating dosirak (packed meal) off-camera, after judging!

ALT2 ... that the dishes in the Culinary Class Wars were discarded after judging to prevent others from tasting them and disagreeing with the judges? (pictured)

Source: Neither the contestants nor the production crew were allowed even a morsel of the leftovers for fear that they might have differing opinions about the dishes that had been evaluated by the judges, which could potentially cause conflict on the set.

- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Magic (play)
- Comment: There's some clean-up to do now the first season has finished but it's time to make a start

Created by Andrew Davidson (talk) and Windershaker (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 131 past nominations.

Andrew🐉(talk) 20:52, 2 October 2024 (UTC).[reply]

At the time of nomination the article was exactly 7 days old (which fits I guess), and the length seems to fit standard. There are some good English sources and a lot of Korean coverage, so I don't doubt that this is notable. Earwig says no copyvios, but the article is a bit messy. (Why does the "endless cooking hell" section have nothing in it, for one?) Most importantly, the hook is also little bit vague, and I don't think it would capture much attention. Good day, Wuju Daisuki ^{(Talk? 뭐 그까이꺼 대충!)} 17:11, 3 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The show was released in three installments and the first season has finished now. The article has been fleshed out to complete details of all the rounds. I'm doing some further clean-up and completion. More anon. Andrew🐉(talk) 13:47, 12 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Wuju Daisuki: The article has been expanded and I've added an ALT hook for your consideration, please. It works well with the picture, I reckon. Andrew🐉(talk) 09:20, 22 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Wuju Daisuki: Have your concerns been resolved? If not, what else needs to be done? Z1720 (talk) 23:14, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

* @Z1720: The article looks in better shape now, but the alt you provided is not well written, nor would it be very interesting if it was. Good day, Wuju Daisuki ^{(Talk? 뭐 그까이꺼 대충!)} 02:22, 30 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Z1720: Thanks to Z1720 for taking an interest. I'm not understanding Wuju Daisuki's objections to the ALT1 hook, which seems fine to me. Maybe we just have different tastes. To help avoid an impasse and establish a consensus, please could Z1720 say what they think of the hooks? Andrew🐉(talk) 10:38, 31 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Andrew Davidson: My opinion is that I am confused by ALT1 because I do not know who Paik Jong-won is. After looking at the image caption and clicking on Jong-won's link I was able to piece together that he is a judge, but it takes too long for me to understand the hook. I like ALT0 more because it is succinct and understandable. If the image is going to be used, it needs to be included in the article. Z1720 (talk) 11:36, 31 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the feedback. I'm still content with ALT0 too but will mull over ALT1 to see if it can be made clearer. More anon. Andrew🐉(talk) 12:33, 31 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Wuju Daisuki and Z1720: I have amended the wording of ALT1 and added an ALT2 hook for your consideration, please. Andrew🐉(talk) 21:17, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Straight away you'll need a better source for ALT2 per WP:FORBESCON. I'll assess the rest of this when I'm less sleepy.--Laun chba ller 22:03, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, so ALT2 is currently unusable per above, but ALT1 is unencyclopedic and has been cut from the article and ALT0 would require an end-of-sentence citation. Also, as written this would deserve {{overly detailed}} and much of this needs to go.--Laun chba ller 12:01, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Andrew Davidson, Windershaker, and Wuju Daisuki: Apologies, thought I'd pinged.--Laun chba ller 14:15, 17 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Andrew Davidson and Windershaker: Please address the above. Z1720 (talk) 13:47, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Andrew Davidson and Windershaker: The nomination will be timing out on December 2nd so please address any remaining concerns before then. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 01:32, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
No need to let this drag on as long as that if the nominators aren't returning. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 11:24, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I've responded repeatedly to this, suggesting ALTs and tweaking them. But the editors on the reviewing side have not been consistent and so we have "too many cooks". It might help if we hear again from the original reviewer, @Wuju Daisuki:, as they seem to have some knowledge of Korean culture. Andrew🐉(talk) 12:25, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Wuju Daisuki hasn't edited in over a week and this nomination in nearly a month (it had been more than a week at the time I took over). This isn't so much "too many cooks" as "the previous cook's gone" (and you shouldn't need knowledge of Korean culture to understand this). Also, this edit introduced at least two unreliable sources and unencyclopedic content and none of my concerns from 14 November have been resolved.--Laun chba ller 00:56, 29 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Given that outstanding concerns remain and the nomination is now two months old as of today, marking for closure. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 00:35, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Article for expansion

https://koreajoongangdaily.joins.com/news/2024-10-17/culture/foodTravel/Chef-Anh-Sungjae-reflects-on-emotional-journey-during-Culinary-Class-Wars/2156184

This article is pretty juicy; should be used to flesh this article out. I may not get around to it. Side note I'm relieved the show came out; while creating articles for List of Michelin-starred restaurants in South Korea, it was worrying to see so many that were closing or struggling financially. Hoping this show helps seefooddiet (talk) 07:32, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the suggestion. The interview has some interesting details such as the judge's attention to his dress but I'm not sure it's independent enough for our purpose. What we need is more reviews for the reception section. Andrew🐉(talk) 09:39, 22 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]