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Requested move 14 October 2024

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: MOVED as nominated, except 900-910 North Lake Shore, which is moved to 900–910 North Lake Shore. There is a clear consensus to move to en dashes per MOS:NUMRANGE. After relisting, a consensus against adding disambiguators has formed. There was also disagreement about the en dash versus "and" in one case, but consensus on that seems to favor the en dash. The three additional "Court at" moves proposed further down in the discussion can also be moved, as there seems to have been no opposition and they are consistent with the consensus in the rest of the discussion. (closed by non-admin page mover) Toadspike [Talk] 18:45, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

– If I understand correctly, these are ranges of street addresses. Per MOS:NUMRANGE, ranges of numbers should be expressed with an en dash, not a hyphen. I confirmed that the NHRP uses "--" when describing the last two, which is equivalent to using an en dash. The 900-910 North Lake Shore article and some off-Wikipedia sources use "900 910" and "900/910", and the buildings' branding seems to use "900/910", and that topic is a pair of buildings, and units within each building are referred to with street addresses of 900 for one building and 910 for the other, so perhaps it should be "900 and 910". I would just perform these moves boldly, but I wonder whether someone might disagree with this interpretation or suggest alternative titles. For example, two cited sources ([1] and [2]) refer to the first topic simply as 601 High Street; it is a single building. —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 16:45, 14 October 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. Sennecaster (Chat) 01:42, 10 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The neighbouring buildings, by the same architect, are described in 860–880 Lake Shore Drive Apartments. So it might be better to use 900–910 to be consistent. We could also consider whether the street name should be written as North Lake Shore Drive. The name Esplanade Apartments also appears to be used, but I expect that there are many buildings with that name. AlasdairW (talk) 21:26, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

"and" is for nonadjacent buildings, like 200 and 400 Spectrum Center Drive. Hyphenation Expert (talk) 10:21, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Move to 601–603 High Street (Dedham, Massachusetts), 900–910 North Lake Shore (Chicago), 940–948 North Raymond Avenue (Pasadena, California) and 1274–1282 North Raymond Avenue (Pasadena, California). The name of the city needs to be there, especially for High Street, which is about the commonest street name in the English-speaking world. I also think "Court" is unnecessary per WP:OFFICIALNAME. -- Necrothesp (talk) 14:13, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Address numbers are already WP:NATURALDIS, and these pages are all, for now, the primary topic. Looking through any building categories (Category:Buildings and structures in Chicago, Category:Office buildings in Manchester...), numbered address articles don't have any further disambiguation. Hyphenation Expert (talk) 16:27, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
And "Court at..." seems to be consistent in the titles of that type of historic building: Category:National Register of Historic Places in Pasadena, California. Hyphenation Expert (talk) 16:33, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
That Category identifies some other pages that need renaming to fix hyphenated address ranges:
Court at 533-549 North Lincoln Avenue

Court at 497-503½ N. Madison Ave.

Court at 638-650 North Mar Vista Avenue
—⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 18:51, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support renaming these to fix hyphenation per BarrelProof Andrewa (talk) 20:32, 22 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support this proposal by Necrothesp. Ticks all the boxes. Andrewa (talk) 20:30, 22 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I have no objection to any of the suggestions. —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 14:52, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support per nom, but oppose the alt proposal to add WP:MISPLACED parenthetical disambiguators and oppose removing "Court at" from those two WP:NRHP names unless there are sources showing a different WP:COMMONNAME. SilverLocust 💬 05:56, 23 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- I'm not so bothered by the others, but how on earth is not disambiguating High Street of any use to our users? It could refer to absolutely anywhere. There are few towns in the English-speaking world that do not have a High Street. Who is going to think, oh, that must refer to the High Street in (the fairly obscure) Dedham, Massachusetts? Disambiguation is intended to help users of Wikipedia, not pander to the smugness of Wikipedia insiders. -- Necrothesp (talk) 09:30, 23 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support. I agree, we should move it.

Comment Lets keep the dash pages as a redirect. ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) Cooldudeseven7 _{join in on the tea talk} 12:17, 23 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, that's our policy. Andrewa (talk) 08:12, 17 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisting comment: There's broad support to move to fix the hyphens, but unclear consensus on whether to disambiguate or not. Sennecaster (Chat) 01:42, 10 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support moves as follows:

601-603 High Street → 601–603 High Street
900-910 North Lake Shore → 900–910 North Lake Shore. Since these buildings are adjacent, I think "900–910 North Lake Shore" would work well as an article title.
Court at 940-948 North Raymond Avenue → Court at 940–948 North Raymond Avenue
Court at 1274-1282 North Raymond Avenue → Court at 1274–1282 North Raymond Avenue

The disambiguators are not necessary per WP:CONCISE, since there are no other buildings with these address ranges that also have Wikipedia articles. – Epicgenius (talk) 16:21, 10 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support I generally support this move idea ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) Cooldudeseven7 _{join in on the tea talk} 18:46, 10 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support this proposal. Theparties (talk) 07:43, 17 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.