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Remove Boot (medicine)

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The article is only two sentences long and shows no signs of improvement. Vileplume (talk) 19:10, 23 February 2024 (UTC)

Support

1. As nom. Vileplume (talk) 19:10, 23 February 2024 (UTC)

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Discussion

• User:OhnoitsvileplumeXD, Be advised that there will be a forthcoming merge discussion that will be crossposted here. See Wikipedia_talk:WikiCup#Merge_Boot_(medicine)_5_and_Walking_boot. Give me about 24 hours to properly determine the merge discussion venue. In the mean time. I would ask that you please withdraw this nomination. There will be a merged article with substantial encyclopedic content in the future. -TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 22:47, 23 February 2024 (UTC)

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Add Amborella  5

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A plant species important for studying the evolution of flowering plants. From the article: "Amborella is of great interest to plant systematists because molecular phylogenetic analyses consistently place it at or near the base of the flowering plant lineage. That is, the Amborellaceae represent a line of flowering plants that diverged very early on (more than 130 million years ago) from all the other extant species of flowering plants" and "Since Amborella is apparently basal among the flowering plants, the features of early flowering plants can be inferred by comparing derived traits shared by the main angiosperm lineage but not present in Amborella." Because of its importance in plant evolution, its genome (the entirety of its DNA) have been sequenced. From Pillon 2008, cited in the article: "The disappearance of Amborella trichopoda would imply the disappearance of a genus, a family and an entire order, as well as the only witness to at least 140 million years of evolutionary history." I nominated this because User: Marchantiophyta mentioned it in here and I decided to see if I can explain its vitality.

Support

1. As nominator. Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 06:40, 19 February 2024 (UTC)
2. Support, both on its own merits and Plants still being under quota. -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 21:38, 21 February 2024 (UTC)
3. Per nominator. The Blue Rider 14:21, 26 February 2024 (UTC);Oppose
4. per above. starship.paint (RUN) 15:55, 27 February 2024 (UTC)

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Remove Railjet

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A relatively small high-speed rail system with a relatively short history and relatively low speeds. ÖBB, its operator, is not listed as vital.

Support

1. As nominator. feminist🚰 (talk) 14:42, 13 February 2024 (UTC)
2. Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 14:50, 13 February 2024 (UTC)
3. Support. -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 23:33, 15 February 2024 (UTC)
4. per nom. starship.paint (RUN) 15:57, 27 February 2024 (UTC)

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Add ISBN

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Unique identifier for every single book (that isn't privately published) in the world. Probably the world's largest form of standardization in anything. You can see it on every book flipped upside down. Can go either under Book or under Barcode. 142 interwikis! Aurangzebra (talk) 03:29, 17 February 2024 (UTC)

Support

1. As nom. Aurangzebra (talk) 04:33, 17 February 2024 (UTC)
2. Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 08:45, 18 February 2024 (UTC)
3. Per nom. QuicoleJR (talk) 13:36, 18 February 2024 (UTC)
4. Zar2gar1 (talk) 16:43, 18 February 2024 (UTC)
5. ZKevinTheCat 8:50, 19 February 2024 (UTC)
6. Support-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 17:37, 20 February 2024 (UTC)
7. Sure. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 07:15, 21 February 2024 (UTC)
8. Vileplume (talk) 18:24, 27 February 2024 (UTC)

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Add Billboard  5

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36 interwikis, for people who care about those. Top-Importance for WikiProject Marketing, High-Importance for WikiProject Business. These are a common fixture of many roads, and a very popular advertising method.

Support

1. As nom. QuicoleJR (talk) 19:14, 14 February 2024 (UTC)
2. feminist🚰 (talk) 07:22, 15 February 2024 (UTC)
3. Support outside of Tech, while it's a large, built artifact, my thinking is that it's more at home with Advertising or Commercial art. Skimming the article kind of reinforced that for me. -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 23:33, 15 February 2024 (UTC)
4. Support outside of Tech per Zar2gar1. Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 07:06, 16 February 2024 (UTC)
5. ZKevinTheCat 8:50, 19 February 2024 (UTC)
6. Support-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 17:36, 20 February 2024 (UTC)
7. Of course. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 07:15, 21 February 2024 (UTC)
8. Vileplume (talk) 18:23, 27 February 2024 (UTC)

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Add Quilt  5

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Quilts are very commonly used worldwide, and have had an effect on popular culture. Rated High-Importance by WikiProject Craft and WikiProject Textile Arts.

Support

1. As nom. QuicoleJR (talk) 02:35, 17 February 2024 (UTC)
2. per nom Aurangzebra (talk) 03:04, 17 February 2024 (UTC)
3. Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 08:45, 18 February 2024 (UTC)
4. Support under Arts, agree it's vital but has strong craft connotations for me. -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 16:43, 18 February 2024 (UTC)
5. ZKevinTheCat 8:50, 19 February 2024 (UTC)
6. Support-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 17:36, 20 February 2024 (UTC)
7. V5 yes. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 07:15, 21 February 2024 (UTC)
8. Vileplume (talk) 18:24, 27 February 2024 (UTC)

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Add iPadOS

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Major operating system for iPad. We already list iOS. Interstellarity (talk) 19:53, 19 February 2024 (UTC)

Support

1. Interstellarity (talk) 19:53, 19 February 2024 (UTC)

Oppose

1. It's software specific to IPad  5 and at least partially covered by IOS  5 from which it was spun out. I think having iPad and iOS at this level is enough. feminist🩸 (talk) 08:59, 20 February 2024 (UTC)
2. Per Feminist. Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 09:12, 20 February 2024 (UTC)
3. Only spun out in 2019 whereas the original iPad released in 2010. Vileplume (talk) 23:12, 20 February 2024 (UTC)
4. Pile on as too niche. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 07:16, 21 February 2024 (UTC)

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Add Apple Watch

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Everyday aspect of many people's lives. Interstellarity (talk) 21:45, 19 February 2024 (UTC)

Support

1. Interstellarity (talk) 21:45, 19 February 2024 (UTC)

1. Support I could see Smartwatch at VA4.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 17:38, 20 February 2024 (UTC)

Oppose

1. Weak oppose Would prefer listing the generic Smartwatch  5 first. feminist🩸 (talk) 09:02, 20 February 2024 (UTC)
2. Prefer listing Smartwatch instead. Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 09:12, 20 February 2024 (UTC)
3. Smartwatch is enough. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 07:17, 21 February 2024 (UTC)
4. Smartwatch is enough. starship.paint (RUN) 15:55, 27 February 2024 (UTC)

Neutral

1. Conditional support if we can get Smartwatch  5 to V4. Vileplume (talk) 02:00, 27 February 2024 (UTC)

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Knives considerations: Add 2/Remove 2

Technology is currently under quota at 3180/3200 although many medical technology subjects seem to have several imminent additions. Nonetheless, I would like to consider the knives subjects. Above at the scalpel nomination this subject came up with User:Piotrus. We have 11 Wikipedia:Vital_articles/Level/5/Technology#Knives_(11_articles) at level 5, including Knife  3, Dagger  4 and Bayonet  4 at higher levels. Butterfly knife (28 interwikis) and Utility knife (19) both have more interwikis than most of the other level 5 inclusions: Switchblade  5 (16), Bowie knife (23), Fighting knife (4), Hunting knife  5 (13), Pocketknife  5 (38), Swiss Army knife  5 (38), Throwing knife  5 (18), Assisted-opening knife (0)

Add Butterfly knife

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The butterfly knife is an important martial arts implement and subject of legal controversy. It is probably both an example of a pocketknife and a fighting knife.

Support

1. Strong support as nominator-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 16:10, 23 December 2023 (UTC)

Oppose

1. Oppose, while technically different, there's a lot of overlap with several other knives already listed. Zar2gar1 (talk) 00:12, 19 January 2024 (UTC)
2. per Zar2gar1, for example we already list Pocket knife. starship.paint (RUN) 14:28, 26 February 2024 (UTC)

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Add Utility knife

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The utility knife is an important tool.

Support

1. Support as nominator-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 16:10, 23 December 2023 (UTC)
2. Support, a knife, but also a distinct tool; important in the trades. Zar2gar1 (talk) 00:12, 19 January 2024 (UTC)
3. per above. starship.paint (RUN) 11:05, 1 March 2024 (UTC)

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1. The Blue Rider 23:03, 8 March 2024 (UTC)

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Remove Fighting knife

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I am not sure how common a subject this is. It has few interwikis, which makes me believe readers are actually interested in specific types of fighting knives and not the general class. Maybe we should emphasize the specific examples that are actually of interest.

Support

1. Weak support as nominator-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 16:10, 23 December 2023 (UTC)
2. per nom. We can add specific weapons. starship.paint (RUN) 11:04, 1 March 2024 (UTC)
3. The Blue Rider 23:04, 8 March 2024 (UTC)

Oppose

1. Weak oppose, we probably should eventually drop this or an overlapping article. But when there's room, I like to leave overlaps like this on the list, in the hope that if they percolate, someone will eventually consolidate them. Zar2gar1 (talk) 00:12, 19 January 2024 (UTC)

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1. Nice article. No interwikis makes me wonder if there is an overlap with a more common topic (Dagger? V4 already...), but the point is - fighting knives have been a common weapon for millenia. That said, I just found out more basic concept of Hand-to-hand combat  5 is not vital... sigh. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 12:55, 31 December 2023 (UTC)

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Remove Assisted-opening knife

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I am not sure how common a subject this is. It has absolutely no interwikis, which makes me believe readers are actually interested in specific types of fighting knives and not the general class. Maybe we should emphasize the specific examples that are actually of interest.

Support

1. Support as nominator-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 16:10, 23 December 2023 (UTC)
2. No interwikis, never heard of it. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 12:52, 31 December 2023 (UTC)

   User:Piotrus, did you mean to support?-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 02:10, 1 January 2024 (UTC)

   @TonyTheTiger Support removal, yes. _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 02:45, 2 January 2024 (UTC)

3. Yeah, no. This is not a vital concept, and we should really just have switchblade at this level. QuicoleJR (talk) 13:32, 11 January 2024 (UTC)
4. Support removal, apparently not a switchblade... but seems like it could still be merged into that article as a variant. Zar2gar1 (talk) 00:12, 19 January 2024 (UTC)

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Martial arts implements

With Technology currently under quota at 3180/3200 I would like to consider some martial arts implements (although many medical technology subjects seem to have several imminent additions). Currently we have 40 subjects under Wikipedia:Vital_articles/Level/5/Technology#Melee_weapons including 11 knives, 8 polearms, and 12 swords.

Add Sai (weapon)

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This is an important martial arts implement with 31 interwikis.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 16:40, 23 December 2023 (UTC)

Support

1. Support as nominator-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 16:40, 23 December 2023 (UTC)
2. Weak support as we are under quota, this has good amount of iwikis, and it is a bit of a popculture icon too. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 13:00, 31 December 2023 (UTC)
3. per above. starship.paint (RUN) 14:27, 26 February 2024 (UTC)

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1. The Blue Rider 23:08, 8 March 2024 (UTC)

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Add Bō

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This is an important martial arts implement with 26 interwikis.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 16:40, 23 December 2023 (UTC)

Support

1. Support as nominator-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 16:40, 23 December 2023 (UTC)
2. per nom. starship.paint (RUN) 14:27, 26 February 2024 (UTC)

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Add Poi (performance art)

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This is an important martial arts implement with 22 interwikis. The current article discusses its modern use as a performance art, but as I understand it its history stems from a class of Chain weapons that are basically meteor hammers split in half.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 16:40, 23 December 2023 (UTC)

Support

1. Support as nominator-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 16:40, 23 December 2023 (UTC)

Oppose

1. I can't see this as vital, the article describes it as a regional art form. Systemic bias and all, but nah, particularly since we probably need a different article to tackle the martial art aspect. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 13:02, 31 December 2023 (UTC)
2. per Piotrus. starship.paint (RUN) 14:25, 26 February 2024 (UTC)

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Add Tonfa

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This is an important martial arts implement with 27 interwikis.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 16:44, 23 December 2023 (UTC)

Support

1. Support as nominator-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 16:44, 23 December 2023 (UTC)
2. Same as for what I said above for sai. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 13:01, 31 December 2023 (UTC)
3. per above. starship.paint (RUN) 14:26, 26 February 2024 (UTC)

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1. The Blue Rider 23:08, 8 March 2024 (UTC)

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Remove Hughes H-4 Hercules

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The aircraft made only one brief flight, on November 2, 1947, and the project never advanced beyond the single example produced.

Support

1. As nominator. feminist🇭🇰🇺🇦 (talk) 07:34, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
2. Per nom Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 13:39, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
3. Wow, what is this footnote aviation trivia doing here? --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 09:53, 27 January 2024 (UTC)
4. Not successful. starship.paint (RUN) 15:56, 27 February 2024 (UTC)

Oppose

1. Weak oppose, true it only flew once and never reached the finishline as a project, but the Spruce Goose is still kind of a (quirky) legend in aviation. Also adds a bit of coverage range too (expands the definition of what an airplane can look like). Zar2gar1 (talk) 01:08, 27 January 2024 (UTC)

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Remove List of dams and reservoirs

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This is not a vital list, Dam, Reservoir, and the dams and reservoirs we list at VA should be sufficient.

Support

1. As nominator. Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 05:28, 26 February 2024 (UTC)
2. Easy removal. The Blue Rider 14:18, 26 February 2024 (UTC)
3. Definitely not vital. QuicoleJR (talk) 20:09, 26 February 2024 (UTC)
4. J947 ‡ ^edits 21:56, 26 February 2024 (UTC)
5. Support Someone was maybe a bit too interested in dams, I succesfully nominated a few for removal some time ago. Besides, it's questionable whether we should include list-class articles, even at this level.--LaukkuTheGreit (Talk•Contribs) 09:41, 27 February 2024 (UTC)
   1. Agree, there's a reasonable amount of list articles here. Some of them have probably been articles that have been turned to redirects, like humor magazine that redirects to List of humor magazines. We could discuss, if lists have a place at all in vital articles, or should some be considered notable enough. --Makkool (talk) 13:03, 28 February 2024 (UTC)
6. -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 22:59, 29 February 2024 (UTC)
7. Vileplume (talk) 23:00, 1 March 2024 (UTC)

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Add Smartwatch

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Per Apple Watch discussion above. Interstellarity (talk) 13:26, 20 February 2024 (UTC)

Support

1. Interstellarity (talk) 13:26, 20 February 2024 (UTC)
2. Support-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 17:38, 20 February 2024 (UTC)
3. Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 06:56, 21 February 2024 (UTC)
4. ok. _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 07:41, 21 February 2024 (UTC)

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Add some topical treatments

Add Neomycin/polymyxin B/bacitracin

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Typical triple-antibiotic ointment AKA Neosporin in the US.

Support

1. Support as nom. Zar2gar1 (talk) 17:02, 14 January 2024 (UTC)
2. SupportTonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 22:00, 19 January 2024 (UTC)
3. Seems pretty common in the United States. QuicoleJR (talk) 14:17, 1 February 2024 (UTC)
4. Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 03:52, 22 February 2024 (UTC)

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Add Calamine

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A basic medication with a long history and still a go-to for several things.

Support

1. Support as nom. Zar2gar1 (talk) 17:02, 14 January 2024 (UTC)
2. It is on the WHO list of essential medicines and its usage dates back to 1500 AD. QuicoleJR (talk) 02:35, 17 January 2024 (UTC)
3. per nom Aurangzebra (talk) 02:47, 17 January 2024 (UTC)
4. SupportTonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 22:00, 19 January 2024 (UTC)
5. Support --Marchantiophyta (talk) 01:25, 31 January 2024 (UTC)

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Add Medical uses of salicylic acid

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The title's a bit convoluted, but this is your typical over-the-counter wart-remover among other things.

Support

1. Support as nom. Zar2gar1 (talk) 17:02, 14 January 2024 (UTC)

Oppose

1. Weak oppose Salicylic acid  5 is only at VA5. I don't think that the article on a specific usage of it makes the list. QuicoleJR (talk) 22:35, 30 January 2024 (UTC)

   For the article in isolation, I mostly agree, but since we're still ~175 under quota, I figured it's not too trivial for brainstorming right now.

   That said, I've realized something much higher priority isn't even in VA5 yet. -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 23:29, 30 January 2024 (UTC)

   What is it? QuicoleJR (talk) 00:35, 2 February 2024 (UTC)

   Lots of them actually, skin conditions and features like wart, nevus, dermatitis, psoriasis, vitiligo, etc. Actually we don't even list skin condition (but we do at least list Melanoma  4).

   I can come up with a batch proposal, but the page is getting bloated so I plan to wait until we can archive some of the existing batches. -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 00:59, 2 February 2024 (UTC)

   How is Wart not vital? Seems like an easy VA4 to me. QuicoleJR (talk) 01:26, 2 February 2024 (UTC)

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Add Debridement

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Technical term for the removal of dead-tissue; warning: the photos are kind of gross.

Support

1. Support as nom. Zar2gar1 (talk) 17:02, 14 January 2024 (UTC)
2. Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 02:31, 19 February 2024 (UTC)
3. Support TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 17:09, 20 February 2024 (UTC)
4. per nom. starship.paint (RUN) 11:02, 1 March 2024 (UTC)

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Add Progesterone  5

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A subtopic of Progestogen  5 but has more interwikis (56 vs 29), should be appropriate at this level?

Support

1. As nominator. feminist🩸 (talk) 13:32, 28 February 2024 (UTC)
2. Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 03:11, 29 February 2024 (UTC)
3. -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 22:59, 29 February 2024 (UTC)
4. This hormone is a key part of the human menstrual cycle. starship.paint (RUN) 01:54, 3 March 2024 (UTC)

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Add Hydrocortisone  5

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Very common medication, listed on the WHO List of Essential Medicines, and prescribed over 3 million times in the United States.

Support

1. As nom. QuicoleJR (talk) 13:07, 19 February 2024 (UTC)
2. Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 15:11, 19 February 2024 (UTC)
3. Fair point. Wonder what other common meds we are missing? --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 07:16, 21 February 2024 (UTC)
4. Zar2gar1 (talk) 21:38, 21 February 2024 (UTC)

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Add Ballpoint pen  5

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Very common tool for office and education use.

Support

1. As nominator. Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 06:04, 27 February 2024 (UTC)
2. signed starship.paint (RUN) 09:32, 27 February 2024 (UTC)
3. Support--LaukkuTheGreit (Talk•Contribs) 09:41, 27 February 2024 (UTC)
4. Pen  4 is VA4 and this is the most common type. QuicoleJR (talk) 12:53, 27 February 2024 (UTC)
5. -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 22:59, 29 February 2024 (UTC)
6. Vileplume (talk) 23:01, 1 March 2024 (UTC)
7. per nom Aurangzebra (talk) 04:18, 15 March 2024 (UTC)

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Add Global distribution system

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The system on which commercial flights are searched and reserved on travel agencies. Place this under Aviation.

Support

1. As nominator. feminist🚰 (talk) 15:01, 13 February 2024 (UTC)
2. Support, though possibly under Networks or Web services, but Aviation would be OK too. -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 23:33, 15 February 2024 (UTC)

Oppose

1. I am not seeing this as vital at V5 level. Just a background business practice for a single industry. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 07:14, 21 February 2024 (UTC)
2. Per Piotrus. Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 04:03, 22 February 2024 (UTC)

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Add French formal garden  5

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I'm suggesting this, because English landscape garden  5 is already listed, and French formal garden was historically its predecessor as the principal garden design in Europe. --Makkool (talk) 21:02, 8 February 2024 (UTC)

Support

1. As nom. --Makkool (talk) 21:02, 8 February 2024 (UTC)
2. Support, sure, why not? I'd like to see a lot of things like gardens reorganized someday, possibly into a different section, but for now it's fine. -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 23:33, 15 February 2024 (UTC)
   1. Agree, everyday life would be a much better place for gardens rather than Technology/Agriculture. --Makkool (talk) 09:54, 17 February 2024 (UTC)
3. Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 02:41, 19 February 2024 (UTC)
4. Per nominator. The Blue Rider 17:33, 10 March 2024 (UTC)

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Add Feces  5

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Should be at the same level as Urine  5. 106 interwikis.

Support

1. As nominator. feminist🩸 (talk) 13:29, 28 February 2024 (UTC)
2. Makes sense. QuicoleJR (talk) 17:13, 28 February 2024 (UTC)
3. Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 03:11, 29 February 2024 (UTC)
4. Unpleasant but a vital topic. -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 22:59, 29 February 2024 (UTC)

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Swap: Remove Synthetic media, add Generative artificial intelligence  5

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The latter gets way more attention: https://pageviews.wmcloud.org/?project=en.wikipedia.org&platform=all-access&agent=user&redirects=0&range=latest-20&pages=Synthetic_media|Generative_artificial_intelligence

Support

1. As Nom.--LaukkuTheGreit (Talk•Contribs) 13:20, 3 February 2024 (UTC)
2. per nom Aurangzebra (talk) 21:09, 5 February 2024 (UTC)
3. Per nom Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 02:22, 6 February 2024 (UTC)
4. feminist🩸 (talk) 07:07, 4 March 2024 (UTC)

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Remove Fedora Linux and Ubuntu

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I think Debian is sufficient for this list for Linux distros. Interstellarity (talk) 21:47, 19 February 2024 (UTC)

Support

1. Interstellarity (talk) 21:47, 19 February 2024 (UTC)
2. If we are to list a second Linux distro, it should be ChromeOS. feminist🩸 (talk) 09:01, 20 February 2024 (UTC)

   I would support a swap with ChromeOS. Interstellarity (talk) 13:28, 20 February 2024 (UTC)

3. Time to denerdize vitals... --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 07:39, 21 February 2024 (UTC)
4. Support per above. Gizza (talk) 07:49, 11 March 2024 (UTC)

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Neutral

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Add Heart failure  5

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78 interwikis

Support

1. As nominator. feminist🩸 (talk) 14:02, 28 February 2024 (UTC)
2. Parent topic of Myocardial infarction  4, aka heart attack. QuicoleJR (talk) 17:16, 28 February 2024 (UTC)
3. Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 03:11, 29 February 2024 (UTC)
4. -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 22:59, 29 February 2024 (UTC)
5. The Blue Rider 16:36, 4 March 2024 (UTC)
6. Vileplume (talk) 19:28, 4 March 2024 (UTC)
7. Even if there were 2 interwikis I would consider this vital. Gizza (talk) 00:18, 21 March 2024 (UTC)

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Add Armillary sphere

A techonology of ancient times, this innovation held paramount importance, particularly during the Age of Discovery  3. Serving as a navigational cornerstone, its methods through the cosmos enabled astronomers and navigators to understand the celestial movements. More than a tool, it became a symbol of scientific progress. The Blue Rider 23:56, 20 January 2024 (UTC)

Support

1. As nominator. The Blue Rider 23:56, 20 January 2024 (UTC)
2. Support, whether it goes in Astronomy or scientific instruments under Tech. Zar2gar1 (talk) 04:46, 22 January 2024 (UTC)
3. Per nom. Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 07:48, 23 January 2024 (UTC)

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Add Fan (machine)  5 to Heating and cooling

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76 interwikis. Modern invention used for cooling humans, automobiles and computers.

Support

1. as nom. Should be V4 in my opinion. starship.paint (RUN) 23:13, 7 March 2024 (UTC)
2. Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 01:10, 8 March 2024 (UTC)
3. Definitely feminist🩸 (talk) 04:49, 8 March 2024 (UTC)
4. Support--LaukkuTheGreit (Talk•Contribs) 09:42, 8 March 2024 (UTC)
5. -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 16:50, 8 March 2024 (UTC)
6. Vileplume (talk) 00:21, 9 March 2024 (UTC)
7. I will strongly support it at V4 too. Gizza (talk) 00:41, 21 March 2024 (UTC)

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Add Transcriptome

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The entire set of RNA transcript in an organism. We list several omics topics: Genomics  5, Genome  5, Proteomics  5, Proteome  5, Epigenomics  5, Epigenome  5, Metagenomics  5, and Pharmacogenomics  5. Transcriptomics redirects to Transcriptomics techniques, and the Transcriptome article covers the techniques, so it should be sufficient. These are the Google Scholar hits:

• Genomics 5,530,000
• Genome 4,530,000
• Transcriptome 1,430,000
• Transcriptomics 299,000
• Proteome 972,000
• Proteomics 1,850,000
• Epigenome 145,000
• Epigenomics 118,000
• Metagenome 103,000
• Metagenomics 235,000
• Pharmacogenomics 324,000

Based on the Google Scholar hits, transcriptomics is one of the more important omics fields, and Transcriptome can represent that in the VA list. Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 05:00, 3 March 2024 (UTC)

Support

1. As nom Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 03:10, 4 March 2024 (UTC)
2. per nom Aurangzebra (talk) 10:20, 4 March 2024 (UTC)
3. -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 16:50, 8 March 2024 (UTC)
4. Seems important enough. QuicoleJR (talk) 22:40, 9 March 2024 (UTC)

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Neutral

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Add Microsoft Azure

In the market of public cloud server, Microsoft Azure is often reported to have twice the share as Google Cloud Platform which has been listed in level 5. David Xuang (talk) 00:52, 13 January 2024 (UTC)

Support

1. As nom. David Xuang (talk) 00:52, 13 January 2024 (UTC)

Oppose

1. Wonder if OneDrive is more vital, but to be honest don't think neither is. The Blue Rider 01:30, 21 January 2024 (UTC)

Swap in for Google Cloud Platform

1. Support swap, I wouldn't support adding another service (my "no brands" principle), but you make a really good point about Google Cloud Platform already being listed. I know I personally hear about Microsoft's offering way more than Google's.Zar2gar1 (talk) 04:46, 22 January 2024 (UTC)
2. Support swap. feminist🇭🇰🇺🇦 (talk) 07:58, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
3. Support swap. Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 13:52, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

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Add Fire protection

Because we recently added Fire alarm system  5, Fire hydrant  5 and Smoke detector  5, we should list the parent topic too.

Support

1. As nominator. feminist🇭🇰🇺🇦 (talk) 02:30, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
2. Support. Zar2gar1 (talk) 01:08, 27 January 2024 (UTC)

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Add Wikimedia Commons

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Better addition than Wiktionary. Interstellarity (talk) 22:07, 1 March 2024 (UTC)

Support

1. Interstellarity (talk) 22:07, 1 March 2024 (UTC)

Oppose

1. Only 14th in page views last year among articles in Category:Image-sharing websites. Page views for these articles drop off a cliff once you get past Snapchat. We list the top four, and I think that's enough. feminist🩸 (talk) 14:55, 2 March 2024 (UTC)
2. Per Feminist Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 15:45, 2 March 2024 (UTC)
3. Vileplume (talk) 23:18, 3 March 2024 (UTC)
4. -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 16:50, 8 March 2024 (UTC)

Neutral

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Add some houseplants with taxonomy

Add Spathiphyllum genus

Includes the peace lily and relatives. I'm even looking at one of these bad mama-jamas right now.

Support

1. Support as nom. Zar2gar1 (talk) 19:07, 14 January 2024 (UTC)
2. Per nominator. The Blue Rider 20:11, 14 January 2024 (UTC)
3. Per nom. Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 02:10, 16 January 2024 (UTC)

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Add Asparagaceae family

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Actual family of asparagus, in addition to a few common houseplants.

Support

1. Support as nom. Zar2gar1 (talk) 19:07, 14 January 2024 (UTC)
2. Per nominator. The Blue Rider 20:11, 14 January 2024 (UTC)
3. Per nom. Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 02:10, 16 January 2024 (UTC)
4. Bluebell and asparagus are enough to make it vital. QuicoleJR (talk) 02:30, 17 January 2024 (UTC)

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Add Dracaena trifasciata

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I've heard it referred to as snake-plant and mother-in-law's tongue. You know it when you see it.

Support

1. Support as nom. Zar2gar1 (talk) 19:07, 14 January 2024 (UTC)
2. Per nominator. The Blue Rider 20:11, 14 January 2024 (UTC)
3. Per nom. Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 02:10, 16 January 2024 (UTC)
4. Apparently significant to some African cultures. QuicoleJR (talk) 02:31, 17 January 2024 (UTC)

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Add Chlorophytum genus

Includes a few plants, but particularly the spider-plants.

Support

1. Support as nom. Zar2gar1 (talk) 19:07, 14 January 2024 (UTC)
2. Per nominator. The Blue Rider 20:11, 14 January 2024 (UTC)
3. Per nom. Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 02:10, 16 January 2024 (UTC)

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Add Chlorophytum comosum

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The common spider-plant, another popular houseplant.

Support

1. Support as nom. Zar2gar1 (talk) 19:07, 14 January 2024 (UTC)
2. Per nominator. The Blue Rider 20:11, 14 January 2024 (UTC)
3. Per nom. Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 02:10, 16 January 2024 (UTC)
4. They are pretty common decorative plants. I am a bit surprised it isn't listed yet. QuicoleJR (talk) 18:59, 17 January 2024 (UTC)

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Add Hosta genus

Another relative of asparagus and a common plant for flowerbeds.

Support

1. Support as nom. Zar2gar1 (talk) 19:11, 14 January 2024 (UTC)
2. Per nominator. The Blue Rider 20:11, 14 January 2024 (UTC)
3. Per nom. Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 02:10, 16 January 2024 (UTC)

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Discuss

Swap: Remove Tencent QQ  5, add WeChat Pay

Tencent QQ as an instant messaging service has largely been superseded by WeChat  5 among offerings from Tencent  5. In contrast, WeChat Pay maintains a duopoly with Alipay  5 for retail payments in China; the two payment platforms are comparable in significance. Both Tencent QQ and WeChat Pay are subsidiaries of Tencent, so this is a straightforward swap.

Support

1. As nominator. feminist🇭🇰🇺🇦 (talk) 03:47, 29 January 2024 (UTC)
2. Support, swap seems straight-forward. -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 23:27, 1 February 2024 (UTC)

Oppose

1. Not too sure if it is that straight-forward, Chinese applications tend to be all-in-one, so WeChat  5 is already covering WeChat Pay partially. The Blue Rider 12:02, 2 February 2024 (UTC)

Mixed

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Remove Bubble sort, possible swap with merge sort or Timsort

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Bubble sort is a toy sorting algorithm that is exclusively used to motivate sorting algorithms in computer science courses. It is never used for anything in the real world. I think we should definitely remove it but since we are still slightly under quota in this section, we can also swap in merge sort which is another sorting-optimal O(nlogn) algorithm that is frequently used in external sorting on big data systems or timsort which is a variant of merge sort that is optimized to perform better on real-world data and is the default sorting algorithm used by Python and Java. Aurangzebra (talk) 04:49, 12 January 2024 (UTC)

Support Removal

Support Swap with merge sort

1. as nom Aurangzebra (talk) 04:49, 12 January 2024 (UTC)
2. Didn't understand much but I will trust you, support per nominator. The Blue Rider 16:41, 4 March 2024 (UTC)
3. Support, on 2nd thought, I'd be fine with this for now; I'm neutral on swapping with Timsort but wouldn't mind adding it if we get more slots for Math. -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 17:57, 9 March 2024 (UTC)
4. Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 01:12, 10 March 2024 (UTC)

Support Swap with Timsort

1. as nom (equally split in preference between timsort and merge sort - can side with whatever the majority decides) Aurangzebra (talk) 04:49, 12 January 2024 (UTC)
2. Support per nominator. The Blue Rider 16:41, 4 March 2024 (UTC)

Oppose

Neutral

Discussion

• I won't oppose cutting bubble-sort (it's not used often), but I do think it's still useful as a theoretical concept. Both educationally and as a sort-of base-case algorithm that suggests other ones as optimizations.

Would definitely support adding back merge-sort though and also bucket-sort. We're over quota, but I know some other sections can be trimmed aggressively (I know because I did the bikeshedding). Maybe not right now, but I also feel like the entire Math quota eventually belongs more around 1500 slots. Zar2gar1 (talk) 17:31, 14 January 2024 (UTC)

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Add Educational technology

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Technology has become a vital part of education, and it has especially increased after the pandemic.

Support

1. As nom. Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 02:19, 6 February 2024 (UTC)
2. per nom. Aurangzebra (talk) 01:29, 9 February 2024 (UTC)

Oppose

1. I'm not seeing a particular importance in the intersection between education and technology. We don't list Health technology or Fintech for example, and I'd argue that technology is a more influential part of those two topics than educational technology. feminist🇭🇰🇺🇦 (talk) 04:14, 6 February 2024 (UTC)
2. Per Feminist. QuicoleJR (talk) 17:48, 12 February 2024 (UTC)

Discuss

• I'm on the fence with this one, like I would support it as a topic under Education in Society, but it's actually too abstract about the actual technology involved to belong in Tech? -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 23:33, 15 February 2024 (UTC)
• I hear Ed tech on my startup podcasts almost as much as Fintech, which I would support. Is Fintech rightly omitted?-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 17:24, 20 February 2024 (UTC)

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Remove Internet Explorer

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Considering that we removed Netscape which used to be a common browser, this browser should probably go, which was also a common browser, but diminished in popularity. Interstellarity (talk) 15:39, 4 March 2024 (UTC)

Support

1. Interstellarity (talk) 15:39, 4 March 2024 (UTC)
2. Swap with Netscape; we should have at least one historical web browser. The Blue Rider 16:18, 4 March 2024 (UTC)
3. Weak support, I don't know we really need any specific browsers in the tech section (the differences are either highly-technical or branding). If there's historical interest, History of the web browser or Browser wars seem better. -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 16:50, 8 March 2024 (UTC)

Oppose

1. IE has 90 interwikis; Netscape Navigator has 48. Page views are 997-463. Vileplume (talk) 19:24, 4 March 2024 (UTC)
2. We should keep at least one of these legacy browsers and IE beat Netscape during the first of the Browser Wars. Aurangzebra (talk) 01:37, 5 March 2024 (UTC)
3. Notorious. feminist🩸 (talk) 07:09, 5 March 2024 (UTC)
4. Oppose Still too famous.--LaukkuTheGreit (Talk•Contribs) 07:11, 5 March 2024 (UTC)
5. Significant part of history. starship.paint (RUN) 08:27, 5 March 2024 (UTC)

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Add Magnification and Chatoyancy

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Two optical phenomena, magnification in particular being a very basic one, in both everyday life and theory. -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 19:01, 27 January 2024 (UTC)

Support

1. As nom. -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 19:01, 27 January 2024 (UTC)
2. Per nom Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 11:26, 28 January 2024 (UTC)
3. Per nom --Marchantiophyta (talk) 01:30, 31 January 2024 (UTC)
4. Support Magnification per nom. starship.paint (RUN) 13:51, 1 February 2024 (UTC)
5. Support Magnification only. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 07:09, 21 February 2024 (UTC)

Oppose

1. Oppose Chatoyancy, this does not seem to be a vital concept ("an optical reflectance effect seen in certain gemstones, woods, and carbon fiber"). --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 07:09, 21 February 2024 (UTC)

   Not expecting to change your mind, but do you picture this as less vital than Lv5 in relation to something? We still have 30 slots in physics and can probably free up more like the big list of color spaces. which are arguably more computer standards anyways. I agree chatoyancy probably isn't a Lv4 article, but it's a distinct phenomenon. The fact we're still just adding magnification suggests to me that optical phenomena have been overlooked in general too; we're also missing iridescence, dichroism, and structural coloration. -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 21:22, 21 February 2024 (UTC)

   @Zar2gar1 I'd support iridescence (41 interwikis vs 16 for chat...) before chatoyancy. And I'd expect we can find more vital physics concept to fill in the quota. _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 11:15, 28 February 2024 (UTC)

Discuss

1. I'll ping User:Hanif Al Husaini and User:Marchantiophyta - are you sure you want to support both? IMHO this is a bundle of a pretty vital concept and one that is much less so. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 07:09, 21 February 2024 (UTC)

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Add Urban rail transit

The parent topic to Rapid transit  4, Tram  4, Monorail  4, etc.

Support

1. As nominator. feminist🇭🇰🇺🇦 (talk) 12:57, 10 February 2024 (UTC)
2. Support. -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 23:33, 15 February 2024 (UTC)

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Add Hot spring  5

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A common geological feature which has been used for recreation and therapy for thousands of years. A subtopic of Spring (hydrology)  4.

Support

1. As nominator. feminist🩸 (talk) 12:17, 15 March 2024 (UTC)
2. Per nominator. The Blue Rider 12:33, 15 March 2024 (UTC)
3. --Makkool (talk) 18:42, 15 March 2024 (UTC)
4. Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 22:47, 15 March 2024 (UTC)
5. Enduring. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 12:05, 19 March 2024 (UTC)
6. Vileplume 🍋‍🟩 (talk) 11:52, 20 March 2024 (UTC)
7. Clear omission Gizza (talk) 00:17, 21 March 2024 (UTC)

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Add New York City Transit Authority and/or Metropolitan Transportation Authority

We list NYC subway, but we don’t list the parent organizations similar to how we list MBTA, but not MBTA subway. Interstellarity (talk) 13:03, 21 February 2024 (UTC)

Support

1. Interstellarity (talk) 13:03, 21 February 2024 (UTC)

Oppose

Neutral

Discussion

Add Moving walkway to Architectural elements

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Common modern invention. 25 interwikis.

Support

1. per nom. starship.paint (RUN) 15:17, 6 March 2024 (UTC)
2. I use moving walkways every day on my commute. feminist🩸 (talk) 01:56, 7 March 2024 (UTC)

Oppose

1. Meh, I've only seen it at airports; not that widespread. The Blue Rider 16:24, 6 March 2024 (UTC)

   In certain countries they are also present in train stations, ski resorts, and large departmental stores such as supermarkets, article backs that up. starship.paint (RUN) 08:33, 7 March 2024 (UTC)

2. Per The Blue Rider. Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 21:25, 6 March 2024 (UTC)

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Add Escalator to Architectural elements

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Common modern invention. 70 interwikis.

Support

1. per nom. starship.paint (RUN) 15:16, 6 March 2024 (UTC)
2. Per nominator. The Blue Rider 16:23, 6 March 2024 (UTC)
3. Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 21:24, 6 March 2024 (UTC)
4. feminist🩸 (talk) 01:55, 7 March 2024 (UTC)
5. -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 16:50, 8 March 2024 (UTC)
6. Vileplume (talk) 00:21, 9 March 2024 (UTC)
7. I have used them many times. QuicoleJR (talk) 22:36, 9 March 2024 (UTC)

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Add Anus  5 to Gastrointestinal tract

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We list most parts of the gastrointestinal tract, but not its end.

Support

1. as nom. Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 01:35, 8 March 2024 (UTC)
2. Obvious oversight. feminist🩸 (talk) 02:06, 8 March 2024 (UTC)
3. Definitely Aurangzebra (talk) 02:37, 8 March 2024 (UTC)
4. I am extremely surprised. starship.paint (RUN) 07:38, 8 March 2024 (UTC)
5. Wondering now if need to give the whole anatomy list a once-over and check all of the systems for missing parts. -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 16:50, 8 March 2024 (UTC)
6. Vileplume (talk) 00:22, 9 March 2024 (UTC)

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Human anus  5 is listed, which may explain why this isn't yet. feminist🩸 (talk) 12:51, 9 March 2024 (UTC)

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Add Jet lag  5

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Another common condition

Support

1. As nominator. feminist🩸 (talk) 13:57, 28 February 2024 (UTC)
2. Makes sense. QuicoleJR (talk) 17:14, 28 February 2024 (UTC)
3. Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 03:11, 29 February 2024 (UTC)
4. -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 22:59, 29 February 2024 (UTC)

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Add Developmental disorder  5

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The parent topic to Autism spectrum, Learning disability  5, etc.

Support

1. As nominator. feminist🩸 (talk) 14:01, 28 February 2024 (UTC)
2. QuicoleJR (talk) 17:15, 28 February 2024 (UTC)
3. Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 03:11, 29 February 2024 (UTC)
4. -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 22:59, 29 February 2024 (UTC)
5. The Blue Rider 16:36, 4 March 2024 (UTC)
6. Vileplume (talk) 19:28, 4 March 2024 (UTC)
7. Per nom Aurangzebra (talk) 01:40, 5 March 2024 (UTC)

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Add Sleep deprivation  5

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A common condition

Support

1. As nominator. feminist🩸 (talk) 13:56, 28 February 2024 (UTC)
2. Yup, pretty common. QuicoleJR (talk) 17:14, 28 February 2024 (UTC)
3. Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 03:11, 29 February 2024 (UTC)
4. -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 22:59, 29 February 2024 (UTC)
5. Nowadays people even brag for being sleep deprived, like its a competition of who is the most. The Blue Rider 16:34, 4 March 2024 (UTC)
6. Vileplume (talk) 19:27, 4 March 2024 (UTC)

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Add Fatigue  5

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Everyone gets tired from time to time.

Support

1. As nominator. feminist🩸 (talk) 13:35, 28 February 2024 (UTC)
2. Makes sense. QuicoleJR (talk) 17:14, 28 February 2024 (UTC)
3. Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 03:11, 29 February 2024 (UTC)
4. -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 22:59, 29 February 2024 (UTC)
5. The Blue Rider 16:33, 4 March 2024 (UTC)
6. Vileplume (talk) 19:26, 4 March 2024 (UTC)

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Add Wikimedia Foundation and Wiktionary

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We list Wikipedia at level 4, but don't list its parent company at level 5. Wiktionary is a good addition as another Wikimedia project we don't list. Interstellarity (talk) 20:34, 1 March 2024 (UTC)

Support

1. Interstellarity (talk) 20:34, 1 March 2024 (UTC)

Oppose

1. Oppose Wikitionary; relatively minor branch of the Wikimedia Foundation. If any other 'pedia should be added it would be Wikimedia Commons. The Blue Rider 21:37, 1 March 2024 (UTC)
2. Oppose: Feels like WP:NAVEL. Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 08:32, 2 March 2024 (UTC)
3. Oppose Wiktionary, no opinion on WF. Vileplume (talk) 19:26, 4 March 2024 (UTC)
4. Oppose both. -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 16:50, 8 March 2024 (UTC)
5. Oppose both. feminist🩸 (talk) 15:24, 10 March 2024 (UTC)

Neutral

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Remove Opera (web browser)

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Too obscure compared to other web browsers we list. Interstellarity (talk) 13:40, 1 March 2024 (UTC)

Support

1. Interstellarity (talk) 13:40, 1 March 2024 (UTC)
2. Support, I'm on the fence about whether we even need any specific browsers, but if we do, the historically big 3 (IE, Mozilla, Chrome) should be plenty. -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 16:50, 8 March 2024 (UTC)
3. Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 05:05, 10 March 2024 (UTC)
4. per nom and zar2gar Aurangzebra (talk) 05:22, 28 March 2024 (UTC)

Oppose

1. Opera has significantly more interwikis and daily page views than Microsoft Edge  5. Vileplume 🍋‍🟩 (talk) 15:04, 10 March 2024 (UTC)

Neutral

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Add Earth's crust  5

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Add under Geology: General. It was separated into its own article from Crust (geology)  4 in 2019. 100 interwikis, and rated High-importance in Wikiproject Geology.

Support

1. As nom. Makkool (talk) 10:14, 16 March 2024 (UTC)
2. Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 10:44, 16 March 2024 (UTC)
3. per nom. starship.paint (RUN) 10:10, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
4. feminist🩸 (talk) 01:39, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
5. -TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 00:13, 1 April 2024 (UTC)

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Merger discussion of Boot (medicine) and Walking boot

Please join the discussion at Talk:Boot_(medicine)#Merger_discussion.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 23:28, 23 February 2024 (UTC)

Swap: Remove Chromebook  5, add ChromeOS

ChromeOS consistently has higher page views than Chromebook: [1].

Support

1. As nominator. feminist🩸 (talk) 09:09, 20 February 2024 (UTC)
2. Support addition - I think we should list all major desktop operating systems. Interstellarity (talk) 22:03, 20 February 2024 (UTC)
3. Support addition, strong oppose removal per Interstellarity. Vileplume (talk) 01:55, 27 February 2024 (UTC)

Oppose

1. Oppose removal - I think this article should be level 4. It is the only major desktop computer we don’t list at V4. It is also weird to list the software over the hardware. Interstellarity (talk) 22:03, 20 February 2024 (UTC)

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Add Digital audio

Support

1. As nominator. feminist🩸 (talk) 13:19, 28 February 2024 (UTC)
2. Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 03:11, 29 February 2024 (UTC)
3. -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 22:59, 29 February 2024 (UTC)

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Add Computation  5

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Support

1. As nominator. feminist🩸 (talk) 14:23, 28 February 2024 (UTC)
2. Makes sense. QuicoleJR (talk) 17:17, 28 February 2024 (UTC)
3. Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 03:11, 29 February 2024 (UTC)
4. Support, but this may technically belong under Mathematics -> Theoretical Comp Sci. -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 22:59, 29 February 2024 (UTC)

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Add Loudness  5

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Support

1. As nominator. feminist🩸 (talk) 13:26, 25 February 2024 (UTC)
2. Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 04:04, 26 February 2024 (UTC)
3. SUPPORT starship.paint (RUN) 09:32, 27 February 2024 (UTC)
4. Support. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 11:19, 28 February 2024 (UTC)
5. -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 22:59, 29 February 2024 (UTC)
6. Vileplume (talk) 23:00, 1 March 2024 (UTC)

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Add Dysmenorrhea  5

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More commonly known as "period pain".

Support

1. As nominator. feminist🩸 (talk) 13:33, 28 February 2024 (UTC)
2. Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 03:11, 29 February 2024 (UTC)
3. -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 22:59, 29 February 2024 (UTC)
4. per nom. starship.paint (RUN) 01:53, 3 March 2024 (UTC)

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Add Camcorder

Important recording device. Interstellarity (talk) 21:57, 2 March 2024 (UTC)

Support

1. Interstellarity (talk) 21:57, 2 March 2024 (UTC)
2. Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 04:27, 3 March 2024 (UTC)

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Neutral

Discussion

Add Gadget

A common type of product

Support

1. As nominator. feminist🩸 (talk) 14:21, 28 February 2024 (UTC)
2. Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 03:11, 29 February 2024 (UTC)
3. The Blue Rider 16:35, 4 March 2024 (UTC)

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Add motorcycle helmet and bicycle helmet

If important Automobile safety measures like seat belt and airbag are added, we should also add similarly important safety measures for two-wheelers. FYI, Helmet  4 is Level 4.

Support

1. Support as nom. Gizza (talk) 03:26, 24 January 2024 (UTC)
2. Support both, on 2nd thought, we probably could fill in types of helmets a bit more. Doesn't change my vote, but how much does motorcycle helmet overlap with racing helmet? -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 23:33, 15 February 2024 (UTC)
3. common enough. _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 07:44, 21 February 2024 (UTC)

Oppose

1. Oppose, agree with User:TonyTheTiger (we also don't list hard hat), but as technology, they all seem to share the identical principle covered in helmet. Zar2gar1 (talk) 01:08, 27 January 2024 (UTC)

   After thinking a bit more, this is a topic that should probably get filled out more. I'm also going to propose a spin-off below. -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 23:33, 15 February 2024 (UTC)

2. Too specific. The Blue Rider 16:42, 4 March 2024 (UTC)

Discussion

1. I am having difficulty elevating any particular helmet above the others. We have many helmet articles including Combat helmet, Football helmet, Hockey helmet, Batting helmet, Custodian helmet, Firefighter's helmet as well as motorcycle helmet and bicycle helmet to name a few. For a perspective look at Helmet#Gallery. I am not sure these are the two most important ones.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 05:30, 24 January 2024 (UTC)

Add Hard hat and Combat helmet

These are two other kinds of helmet, but with very different applications from biking / racing.

Support

1. As nom. -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 23:33, 15 February 2024 (UTC)
2. Fair. Common. _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 07:45, 21 February 2024 (UTC)

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1. Still having a hard time getting behind any particular helmets over the others.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 17:12, 20 February 2024 (UTC)

Add Maintenance  5

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A necessary practice for both mechanical and software systems.

Support

1. As nominator. feminist🩸 (talk) 04:46, 29 February 2024 (UTC)
2. Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 09:52, 29 February 2024 (UTC)
3. Support somewhere near the other applied sciences like engineering. -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 22:59, 29 February 2024 (UTC)
4. per above. starship.paint (RUN) 01:52, 3 March 2024 (UTC)
5. The Blue Rider 16:37, 4 March 2024 (UTC)
6. Vileplume (talk) 19:28, 4 March 2024 (UTC)

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Add Roman roads

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Backbone to the Roman Empire.

Support

1. SailorGardevoir (talk) 22:04, 10 March 2024 (UTC)
2. All roads lead to Rome; nice catch. The Blue Rider 22:54, 10 March 2024 (UTC)
3. This is a good one. J947 ‡ ^edits 04:26, 11 March 2024 (UTC)
4. Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 07:51, 11 March 2024 (UTC)

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Remove Arthur Kill Bridge

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No indication of architectural, economic, or cultural importance.

Support

1. As nom. Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 01:27, 10 March 2024 (UTC)
2. Support 10th least viewed Technology article according to the list I posted here.--LaukkuTheGreit (Talk•Contribs) 07:29, 10 March 2024 (UTC)
3. J947 ‡ ^edits 10:30, 10 March 2024 (UTC)
4. per above. starship.paint (RUN) 13:42, 10 March 2024 (UTC)
5. Per nominator. The Blue Rider 13:26, 14 March 2024 (UTC)
6. per nom Aurangzebra (talk) 01:53, 15 March 2024 (UTC)
7. Vileplume 🍋‍🟩 (talk) 18:42, 15 March 2024 (UTC)

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Add Last universal common ancestor

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As per the article name, the last universal common ancestor or LUCA is a pivotal point of macroevolution where the Bacteria  3, the Archaea  3, and the Eukaryote  3 were split off. 39 interwikis. The Blue Rider 16:16, 31 March 2024 (UTC)

Support

1. As nominator. The Blue Rider 16:16, 31 March 2024 (UTC)
2. per nom. starship.paint (RUN) 13:56, 1 April 2024 (UTC)
3. Support - However I don't think interwikis are relevant in assessing the vitality of most scientific articles. Pop culture maybe. Gizza (talk) 00:42, 3 April 2024 (UTC)
4. Obviously. QuicoleJR (talk) 20:33, 14 April 2024 (UTC)
5. Support as a eukaryote. Vileplume 🍋‍🟩 (talk) 21:45, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

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Trimming units, part 1?

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Proposing to remove the following from Wikipedia:Vital articles/Level/5/Physical sciences/Basics and measurement:

1. Stere - volume
2. Hogshead - volume
3. Rundlet - volume
4. Tierce (unit) - volume
5. Puncheon (unit) - volume
6. Butt (unit) - volume
7. Tun (unit) - volume
8. Cubic yard - volume
9. Cubic mile - volume
10. Perm (unit) - water vapor transmission
11. Flick (time)
12. Sarpler - weight
13. Cologne mark - weight
14. Lot (weight)
15. Zhàng - length, not strictly defined
16. Finger (unit) - length, not strictly defined
17. Cable length, not strictly defined

Support

1. per nom. It is not apparent why these are vital and I am not sure how much we could really write about them to turn into Featured Articles. starship.paint (RUN) 14:42, 13 April 2024 (UTC)
2. per nom. We already list the aggregate articles English brewery cask units  5 and English wine cask units  5, so no need to individually list the separate units. Makkool (talk) 15:05, 13 April 2024 (UTC)
3. Support per nom. Good pickup. Gizza (talk) 00:14, 15 April 2024 (UTC)
4. Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 04:53, 16 April 2024 (UTC)
5. TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 00:27, 19 April 2024 (UTC)

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• Frankly, more units can probably be removed. starship.paint (RUN) 14:43, 13 April 2024 (UTC)

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Swap Ted Stevens Anchorage International Airport for Dallas Fort Worth International Airport

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More well-known and much busier airport. Interstellarity (talk) 18:24, 15 March 2024 (UTC)

Support

1. Interstellarity (talk) 18:24, 15 March 2024 (UTC)
2. Swap with Layover, which is what Anchorage Airport was known for – it’s primarily used as a refueling point for cargo (and during the Cold War, passenger) flights between North America (and to some extent Northern Europe) and Asia. DFW isn’t particularly known for anything other than being the largest hub of American Airlines  5. feminist🩸 (talk) 02:41, 16 March 2024 (UTC)

   I would support a swap for layover. Interstellarity (talk) 19:44, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

Oppose

1. Oppose addition. I think we should greatly reduce the number of airports we list. In fact I’m not convinced individual airports are vital. feminist🩸 (talk) 02:41, 16 March 2024 (UTC)
2. Oppose addition. Not the best candidate to replace Stevens Airport. See below.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 22:19, 16 March 2024 (UTC)

Neutral

Discussion

1. The U.S. is overrepresented and there’s more to vitality of an airport than yearly emplanements. Vileplume 🍋‍🟩 (talk) 18:41, 15 March 2024 (UTC)

   @OhnoitsvileplumeXD: I agree with you on that point since we have five airports from the US, but no more than three for other countries. I think a straight removal would be more justified over a swap. I would be fine with removing Ted Stevens and removing a second US airport, though have no opinion on which one should be removed just yet. Interstellarity (talk) 19:46, 15 March 2024 (UTC)

   ANC is important as an international cargo hub and for its strategic location near the Arctic Circle. I think we should increase airport representation and cut one from the US. I’ll probably support its inclusion eventually, but I’m neutral for now. Vileplume 🍋‍🟩 (talk) 20:05, 15 March 2024 (UTC)

• I would prefer a swap for Memphis International Airport, which has been the world's busiest Cargo airport for many different years. For 2 hours a day it is the world's busiest hourly airport in the world because Fedex has special permissions for truncated plane spacing (based on WP:OR conversations I had with a Pilot while in Memphis).-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 21:06, 15 March 2024 (UTC)
  • See below.

• User:Interstellarity, if you agree with my logic below, please withdraw this nomination before it has any supports.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 21:22, 15 March 2024 (UTC)

  I will remain neutral for now. I haven’t developed an opinion on what should and should not be included for airports or what determines vitality for airports whether passenger or cargo, but I would be open to supporting your swap below and hearing everyone’s arguments on what should happen. Interstellarity (talk) 21:41, 15 March 2024 (UTC)

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Swap Ted Stevens Anchorage International Airport for Memphis International Airport

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Because Fedex world headquarters is in Memphis and this airport is the Fedex Superhub, it has been the world's busiest cargo airport many years, including 1993 to 2009 and 2020-??. World's second busiest cargo airport 2010-2019. Based on conversations, that I have had with a pilot (pure WP:OR) Memphis is the world's busiest airport for 2 hours a day because in the wee hours of the night Fedex uses the airport exclusively and has permission for tighter flight spacing than is normal.

Support

1. -TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 21:20, 15 March 2024 (UTC)
2. Support removal per my comment in the DFW nomination. feminist🩸 (talk) 02:43, 16 March 2024 (UTC)
3. Support removal until ANC's location becomes more strategic. Vileplume 🍋‍🟩 (talk) 15:23, 16 March 2024 (UTC)
4. Support removal, no opinion on addition. Interstellarity (talk) 19:43, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

Oppose

1. Oppose addition, I don’t think Cargo airport is notable enough as a concept for us to list an example of it as vital. feminist🩸 (talk) 02:43, 16 March 2024 (UTC)

Neutral

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Add Water quality  5

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A major concept in Environmental science  5.

Support

1. As nominator. Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 10:35, 29 February 2024 (UTC)
2. -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 22:59, 29 February 2024 (UTC)
3. per nom. starship.paint (RUN) 01:56, 3 March 2024 (UTC)
4. Pretty important, especially if you live in Flint. QuicoleJR (talk) 02:40, 9 March 2024 (UTC)
5. Speaking of which, Flint probably has enough importance for V5, although the proposal for its addition isn’t going well. Vileplume (talk) 01:19, 10 March 2024 (UTC)

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Add Gelatin  5

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Used to make foods such as gummy candy, marshmallows, ice creams, dips, and yogurts.

Support

1. As nom. Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 01:33, 15 March 2024 (UTC)
2. Also interesting from a religious perspective. Aurangzebra (talk) 01:52, 15 March 2024 (UTC)
3. per nom. starship.paint (RUN) 02:19, 15 March 2024 (UTC)
4. feminist🩸 (talk) 12:18, 15 March 2024 (UTC)
5. Would prefer this over the already nominated Gelatin dessert  5. Vileplume 🍋‍🟩 (talk) 13:52, 15 March 2024 (UTC)
6. Surprised it wasn't already listed. Gizza (talk) 00:16, 21 March 2024 (UTC)

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Remove Hartsfield–Jackson Atlanta International Airport

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It is the world's busiest airport, but not sure why it is important historically. With the removal of Anchorage Airport and this one, we should cut the number of US airports we list. JFK, LAX and ORD, are fine for this level. Interstellarity (talk) 19:47, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

Support

1. Interstellarity (talk) 19:47, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

Oppose

1. Vileplume 🍋‍🟩 (talk) 22:01, 9 April 2024 (UTC)
2. Just it being the busiest one makes it vital. --Vanyka-slovanyka (talk) 12:23, 11 April 2024 (UTC)
3. TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 12:37, 21 April 2024 (UTC)

Neutral

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Add Fad

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Surprised this is not listed when it should be. Interstellarity (talk) 13:14, 19 April 2024 (UTC)

Support

1. Interstellarity (talk) 13:14, 19 April 2024 (UTC)
2. per nom Aurangzebra (talk) 18:23, 19 April 2024 (UTC)
3. per nom. starship.paint (RUN) 01:32, 20 April 2024 (UTC)
4. TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 16:53, 20 April 2024 (UTC)
5. Should be in Society, not STEM. Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 13:29, 28 April 2024 (UTC)

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Neutral

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Add 2-in-1 laptop

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Unique laptop that combines the functionality of a laptop and a tablet. Interstellarity (talk) 23:33, 31 March 2024 (UTC)

Support

1. Interstellarity (talk) 23:33, 31 March 2024 (UTC)

Oppose

1. Said it before: I am just not sure what is so special about the 2-in-1 laptop. The article states that there are two versions, the convertible, which is basically a laptop that can be folded into a tablet, and the detachable, which is a tablet that a keyboard can be attached to. How significant or revolutionary are these changes? starship.paint (RUN) 13:54, 1 April 2024 (UTC)

   @Starship.paint: My answer: The importance and vitality of 2-in-1 laptops lie in their ability to seamlessly blend the portability of tablets with the productivity of laptops. By offering a versatile experience, they cater to users who need both touch interaction and powerful computing capabilities. Whether they’re a student, professional, or creative, 2-in-1s empower people to work, create, and consume content efficiently. Their adaptability represents a significant leap in personal computing, bridging the gap between traditional laptops and tablets, and enhancing people's digital lives. Interstellarity (talk) 12:24, 2 April 2024 (UTC)

   @Interstellarity:, you’re starting to sound like ChatGPT… starship.paint (RUN) 23:18, 2 April 2024 (UTC)

2. Not convinced per starship.paint. Gizza (talk) 00:40, 3 April 2024 (UTC)
3. TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 00:25, 19 April 2024 (UTC)

Neutral

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Was removed earlier here.--LaukkuTheGreit (Talk•Contribs) 06:33, 1 April 2024 (UTC)

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Swap 600-cell with Torus  5

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The first is rated Low-priority by Wikiproject Mathematics, while the latter is rated Mid-priority. Torus is also significantly less obscure topic.

Support

1. As nom.Makkool (talk) 18:33, 28 March 2024 (UTC)
2. --LaukkuTheGreit (Talk•Contribs) 19:09, 28 March 2024 (UTC)
3. per nom. starship.paint (RUN) 01:12, 29 March 2024 (UTC)
4. per nom Aurangzebra (talk) 10:02, 29 March 2024 (UTC)
5. J947 ‡ ^edits 22:14, 31 March 2024 (UTC)
6. Vileplume 🍋‍🟩 (talk) 16:38, 4 April 2024 (UTC)

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Add Lobotomy

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Historical medical procedure that was widely used to treat psychiatric disorders. The Blue Rider 23:22, 1 April 2024 (UTC)

Support

1. As nominator. The Blue Rider 23:22, 1 April 2024 (UTC)
2. per nom. starship.paint (RUN) 23:19, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
3. Support Gizza (talk) 00:39, 3 April 2024 (UTC)
4. Unfortunately vital. Over 6700 dailies, 49 interwikis. Vileplume 🍋‍🟩 (talk) 18:30, 3 April 2024 (UTC)
5. Yes, but put this with other pseudosciences and not near actual medicine when adding it to the list. QuicoleJR (talk) 15:40, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

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Add Fad diet

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A common way to achieve Weight loss  4.

Support

1. Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 16:30, 9 March 2024 (UTC)

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1. Let's add Fad  5 first. feminist🩸 (talk) 10:44, 10 March 2024 (UTC)
2. A bit too specific variant of Dieting  4 in my opinion. Only 5 interwikis, merely OK pageviews at ~280 daily.--LaukkuTheGreit (Talk•Contribs) 11:17, 10 March 2024 (UTC)
3. per above. starship.paint (RUN) 13:43, 10 March 2024 (UTC)

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Add Email address

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Important subtopic to Email which we list.

Support

1. Interstellarity (talk) 20:10, 24 March 2024 (UTC)
2. Extremely common in today's world. starship.paint (RUN) 01:13, 29 March 2024 (UTC)

Oppose

1. I think e-mail already covers e-mail address well. The Blue Rider 14:56, 29 March 2024 (UTC)
2. Oppose - I would first add Address  5 which is far more vital. The place where you live provides a sense of belonging and is is even more important for identification purposes. Gizza (talk) 22:16, 1 April 2024 (UTC)
3. per DaGizza.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 00:19, 19 April 2024 (UTC)

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Remove Glasgow Subway

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The Glasgow Subway has an annual ridership of 8.0 million, far below any other rapid transit system listed as a VA. Steelkamp (talk) 15:02, 31 March 2024 (UTC)

Support

1. Nom
2. - when some metros have annual ridership of over a billion, what it this compared to those? starship.paint (RUN) 13:59, 1 April 2024 (UTC)
3. Not vital. Gizza (talk) 22:13, 1 April 2024 (UTC)
4. Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 12:32, 3 April 2024 (UTC)
5. TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 00:24, 19 April 2024 (UTC)

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Neutral

1. Annual ridership is low and Glasgow is only the fifth largest city in the UK, but this is one of the world's oldest metro systems. Sub-Saharan Africa could use some representation, although most of them are probably recentisms. Vileplume 🍋‍🟩 (talk) 18:21, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

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Add Commuting  5

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A common mode of travel. Place under Transport?

Support

1. As nominator. feminist🩸 (talk) 01:57, 7 March 2024 (UTC)
2. Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 13:14, 7 March 2024 (UTC)
3. per nom. starship.paint (RUN) 07:41, 8 March 2024 (UTC)
4. The Blue Rider 10:39, 8 March 2024 (UTC)
5. Support outside of Tech, such a basic process and can include just walking, seems more like part of Everyday Life. -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 16:50, 8 March 2024 (UTC)

   It may also fit well under Urban studies and planning, as commuting usually happens to and from urban areas. Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 08:56, 9 March 2024 (UTC)

6. Vileplume (talk) 00:21, 9 March 2024 (UTC)
7. per nom, I like this under Urban studies and planning. Aurangzebra (talk) 04:15, 15 March 2024 (UTC)

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Remove List of countries by greenhouse gas emissions

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Greenhouse gas  5 and Greenhouse gas emissions  5 are sufficient.

Support

1. As nom. Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 05:44, 14 May 2024 (UTC)
2. Makkool (talk) 17:46, 15 May 2024 (UTC)
3. If we're going to have lists, then why not more important ones such as List of sovereign states and List of chemical elements? Vileplume 🍋‍🟩 (talk) 01:01, 16 May 2024 (UTC)
4. Not a vital topic, especially if greenhouse gas is only VA5. QuicoleJR (talk) 13:05, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
5. TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 02:45, 19 May 2024 (UTC)

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Neutral

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Food processing

Add Food processing  5

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A very common process worldwide between farms and supermarkets. The parent topic of articles like Pasteurization  4 and Slaughterhouse  5.

Support

1. As nominator. feminist🩸 (talk) 02:58, 8 March 2024 (UTC)
2. Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 04:15, 8 March 2024 (UTC)
3. per nom. starship.paint (RUN) 07:40, 8 March 2024 (UTC)
4. Strong support. -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 16:50, 8 March 2024 (UTC)
5. Vileplume (talk) 00:22, 9 March 2024 (UTC)
6. Should be listed. QuicoleJR (talk) 02:37, 9 March 2024 (UTC)

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Add Fermentation in food processing  5

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A common process worldwide in the production of various foods, such as Beer  4 and Chocolate  4.

Support

1. As nominator. feminist🩸 (talk) 02:58, 8 March 2024 (UTC)
2. If we have the slots, I especially like the idea of adding more processes to tech. -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 16:50, 8 March 2024 (UTC)
3. Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 04:31, 10 March 2024 (UTC)
4. Sure, we have room. QuicoleJR (talk) 16:56, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

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Add Closed-circuit television

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Not sure where this should be listed in, but close surveillance, especially of the public, has always been of (controversial) interests given the close monitoring of people in daily life to make sure that nothing goes wrong, had been relevant to both private and public interests for decades. Also this page gets over a thousand views a day. PrimalMustelid (talk) 00:59, 26 March 2024 (UTC)

Support

1. Per nom. PrimalMustelid (talk) 00:59, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
2. List somewhere in Technology. Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 01:30, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
3. per nom. starship.paint (RUN) 02:15, 29 March 2024 (UTC)
4. TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 00:21, 19 April 2024 (UTC)

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Neutral

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Remove Moderna COVID-19 vaccine and Pfizer–BioNTech COVID-19 vaccine, add COVID-19 vaccine  5

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I do not see why we should include these two specific types of COVID-19 vaccine when we could just include the main article. These inclusions seem like recentism. The broader article has 20 more interwikis than both of the specific types. I would also be open to keeping all three since we are way under quota here, but I would prefer to keep just the broader article.

Support

1. As nom. QuicoleJR (talk) 18:33, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
2. Per nominator. The Blue Rider 23:41, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
3. per nom Aurangzebra (talk) 05:09, 18 June 2024 (UTC)
4. Thanks for catching this. Interstellarity (talk) 19:42, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

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Neutral

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Add Hearing aid  5

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A common type of medical device used to mitigate Hearing loss  4. Place under Wikipedia:Vital articles/Level/5/Technology#Devices.

Support

1. As nominator. feminist🩸 (talk) 17:51, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
2. --LaukkuTheGreit (Talk•Contribs) 18:21, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
3. Basic concept. QuicoleJR (talk) 19:34, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
4. SailorGardevoir (talk) 04:48, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

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Add Ceiling fan  5 to Heating and cooling

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24 interwikis. In hot areas you can find this in homes, workplaces, schools and public areas.

Support

1. as nom. starship.paint (RUN) 23:16, 7 March 2024 (UTC)
2. -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 16:50, 8 March 2024 (UTC)
3. Support - also has an influence on building design and architecture (rooms tend to have higher ceiling heights). Gizza (talk) 01:04, 4 April 2024 (UTC)
4. per above Makkool (talk) 08:59, 21 June 2024 (UTC)

Oppose

1. I think fan (machine) is sufficient.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 03:14, 4 April 2024 (UTC)
2. Per TonyTheTiger. Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 08:03, 20 May 2024 (UTC)

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Add Atlantic cod  5

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It was fished so much that in 1992, Northern Cod populations fell to 1% of historical levels (Collapse of the Atlantic northwest cod fishery).

Support

1. As nom. Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 04:11, 10 March 2024 (UTC)
2. per nom. starship.paint (RUN) 13:42, 10 March 2024 (UTC)
3. Massively important commercially --Makkool (talk) 17:28, 10 March 2024 (UTC)
4. Interstellarity (talk) 00:21, 27 June 2024 (UTC)

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Add Pavilion  5

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A common type of structure for recreational uses.

Support

1. As nominator. feminist🩸 (talk) 03:11, 12 March 2024 (UTC)
2. per nom. starship.paint (RUN) 12:05, 13 March 2024 (UTC)
3. Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 01:43, 14 March 2024 (UTC)
4. Interstellarity (talk) 00:21, 27 June 2024 (UTC)

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Gazebo? :) --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 12:07, 19 March 2024 (UTC)

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Add Sewage  5

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Wastewater produced from domestic use. Sewage treatment  4 is level 4.

Support

1. As nom Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 07:07, 16 March 2024 (UTC)
2. per nom. starship.paint (RUN) 10:10, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
3. Per my general support for adding enduring society-wide concepts. feminist🩸 (talk) 01:39, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
4. Vileplume 🍋‍🟩 (talk) 23:07, 29 May 2024 (UTC)

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Neutral

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Remove Surrey (carriage)

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This does not seem like a vital type of carriage. Only 1 interwiki.

Support

1. As nom. QuicoleJR (talk) 15:33, 27 April 2024 (UTC)
2. Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 13:31, 28 April 2024 (UTC)
3. per nom. starship.paint (RUN) 03:44, 21 May 2024 (UTC)
4. Interstellarity (talk) 00:14, 27 June 2024 (UTC)

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Add Histology  5

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The study of Tissue (biology)  4.

Support

1. Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 17:55, 1 March 2024 (UTC)
2. -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 16:50, 8 March 2024 (UTC)
3. Makes sense to me. QuicoleJR (talk) 15:45, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
4. Interstellarity (talk) 00:18, 27 June 2024 (UTC)

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Neutral

Discussion

Is there a reason why Tissue (biology)  4 doesn't cover the topic adequately? feminist🩸 (talk) 09:58, 6 March 2024 (UTC)

Histology covers the techniques used to study tissues. Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 12:10, 6 March 2024 (UTC)

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Add skin conditions

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These are suggested as vital by User:Zar2gar1 at Wikipedia_talk:Vital_articles/Level/5/STEM#Add_Medical_uses_of_salicylic_acid. Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 07:03, 5 March 2024 (UTC)

Man, how did we not already have these. Aurangzebra (talk) 07:19, 5 March 2024 (UTC)

Add Wart  5

Support

1. As nom. Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 07:03, 5 March 2024 (UTC)
2. per nom Aurangzebra (talk) 07:19, 5 March 2024 (UTC)
3. per nom. starship.paint (RUN) 13:42, 5 March 2024 (UTC)
4. Obviously. QuicoleJR (talk) 22:00, 5 March 2024 (UTC)
5. Vileplume (talk) 13:23, 6 March 2024 (UTC)
6. Thank you for starting up this proposal @Hanif Al Husaini:. -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 16:50, 8 March 2024 (UTC)

Oppose

Neutral

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Add Nevus  5

More commonly known as moles or birthmarks.

Support

1. As nom. Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 07:03, 5 March 2024 (UTC)
2. per nom Aurangzebra (talk) 07:19, 5 March 2024 (UTC)
3. per nom. starship.paint (RUN) 13:42, 5 March 2024 (UTC)
4. -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 16:50, 8 March 2024 (UTC)
5. Vileplume (talk) 00:20, 9 March 2024 (UTC)

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Neutral

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Add Dermatitis  5

"Dermatitis was estimated to affect 245 million people globally in 2015, or 3.34% of the world population. ... In the United States, it affects about 10–30% of people."

Support

1. As nom. Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 07:03, 5 March 2024 (UTC)
2. per nom Aurangzebra (talk) 07:19, 5 March 2024 (UTC)
3. per nom. starship.paint (RUN) 13:42, 5 March 2024 (UTC)
4. -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 16:50, 8 March 2024 (UTC)
5. Vileplume (talk) 00:20, 9 March 2024 (UTC)

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Neutral

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Add Psoriasis  5

Frequency is 79.7 million / 2–4%

Support

1. As nom. Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 07:03, 5 March 2024 (UTC)
2. per nom Aurangzebra (talk) 07:19, 5 March 2024 (UTC)
3. per nom. starship.paint (RUN) 13:42, 5 March 2024 (UTC)
4. -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 16:50, 8 March 2024 (UTC)
5. Vileplume (talk) 00:20, 9 March 2024 (UTC)

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Neutral

Discussion

Add Vitiligo  5

Autoimmune disease that causes loss of skin pigmentation, with Michael Jackson being a famous case.

Support

1. As nom. Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 07:03, 5 March 2024 (UTC)
2. per nom Aurangzebra (talk) 07:19, 5 March 2024 (UTC)
3. per nom. starship.paint (RUN) 13:42, 5 March 2024 (UTC)
4. -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 16:50, 8 March 2024 (UTC)
5. Vileplume (talk) 00:20, 9 March 2024 (UTC)

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Neutral

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Remove iMac

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I don’t think we should list any particular models of Macs at this level. Interstellarity (talk) 22:04, 20 February 2024 (UTC)

Support

1. Interstellarity (talk) 22:05, 20 February 2024 (UTC)
2. Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 06:57, 21 February 2024 (UTC)
3. Support per nom. Gizza (talk) 07:58, 11 March 2024 (UTC)

Oppose

1. A longstanding personal computer which marked the return of Steve Jobs to Apple and has been consistently popular for 25 years. feminist🩸 (talk) 13:03, 21 February 2024 (UTC)
2. per above Makkool (talk) 09:55, 21 June 2024 (UTC)

Neutral

1. Conditional support if Mac (computer)  4 fails at V4. Vileplume (talk) 22:47, 29 February 2024 (UTC)

1. @OhnoitsvileplumeXD: What would your vote be now, as the Mac computer vote didn't fail, and it's a V4 article? Makkool (talk) 19:27, 27 June 2024 (UTC)

   I'll weak oppose this one. Vileplume 🍋‍🟩 (talk) 19:55, 27 June 2024 (UTC)

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Add various graph types

Add box plot

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Common form to represent data. The Blue Rider 16:32, 8 March 2024 (UTC)

Support

1. As nominator. The Blue Rider 16:32, 8 March 2024 (UTC)
2. Per nom. We should definitely also be adding bar chart, scatter plot, pie chart etc. In fact, I'm going to hijack this thread a bit to add these as well. Good catch. Aurangzebra (talk) 20:49, 8 March 2024 (UTC)
3. per nom. starship.paint (RUN) 06:00, 9 March 2024 (UTC)
4. Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 08:58, 9 March 2024 (UTC)
5. -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 17:57, 9 March 2024 (UTC)
6. Vileplume (talk) 01:21, 10 March 2024 (UTC)

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I still support all of these, but presumably we want to keep all data-viz stuff with Statistics under Mathematics, which is already over quota. I can think up some batch removals, but I still think we need to discuss grabbing more slots for Math on the main Level 5 talk-page. -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 17:57, 9 March 2024 (UTC)

Definitely. I can also look into some potential removals in Math. Aurangzebra (talk) 21:43, 10 March 2024 (UTC)

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(Not OP) Add bar chart

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Also a common type of graph seen in every form of media. High-importance on Wikiproject Statistics Aurangzebra (talk) 20:54, 8 March 2024 (UTC)

Support

1. as nom Aurangzebra (talk) 20:54, 8 March 2024 (UTC)
2. Oh wow, I assumed these were already on the list since they are even more essential. The Blue Rider 21:20, 8 March 2024 (UTC)
3. per nom. starship.paint (RUN) 06:00, 9 March 2024 (UTC)
4. Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 08:58, 9 March 2024 (UTC)
5. -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 17:57, 9 March 2024 (UTC)
6. Vileplume (talk) 01:22, 10 March 2024 (UTC)

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(Not OP) Add pie chart

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Also a common type of graph seen in every form of media. 41 interwikis, the most of any type of graph as far as I'm aware. Aurangzebra (talk) 20:54, 8 March 2024 (UTC)

Support

1. as nom Aurangzebra (talk) 20:54, 8 March 2024 (UTC)
2. Per nominator. The Blue Rider 21:20, 8 March 2024 (UTC)
3. per nom. starship.paint (RUN) 06:00, 9 March 2024 (UTC)
4. Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 08:58, 9 March 2024 (UTC)
5. -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 17:57, 9 March 2024 (UTC)
6. Vileplume (talk) 01:22, 10 March 2024 (UTC)

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(Not OP) Add scatter plot

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Also a common type of graph seen in every form of media. High-importance on Wikiproject Statistics. Aurangzebra (talk) 20:54, 8 March 2024 (UTC)

Support

1. as nom Aurangzebra (talk) 20:54, 8 March 2024 (UTC)
2. Per nominator. The Blue Rider 21:20, 8 March 2024 (UTC)
3. per nom. starship.paint (RUN) 06:00, 9 March 2024 (UTC)
4. Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 08:58, 9 March 2024 (UTC)
5. -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 17:57, 9 March 2024 (UTC)
6. Vileplume (talk) 01:22, 10 March 2024 (UTC)

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(Not OP) Add histogram

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Top-importance in Wikiproject Statistics. Aurangzebra (talk) 20:54, 8 March 2024 (UTC)

Support

1. as nom Aurangzebra (talk) 20:54, 8 March 2024 (UTC)
2. Per nominator. The Blue Rider 21:20, 8 March 2024 (UTC)
3. per nom. starship.paint (RUN) 06:00, 9 March 2024 (UTC)
4. Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 08:58, 9 March 2024 (UTC)
5. -- Zar2gar1 (talk) 17:57, 9 March 2024 (UTC)
6. Vileplume (talk) 01:22, 10 March 2024 (UTC)

Oppose

Discuss

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