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Peer review Elm Farm Ollie Granville Gee Bee Model A 2013 Eberswalde-Finow Zlin crash Fresno Yosemite International Airport

Post-RfC discussion

Moved to Template talk:Infobox aircraft occurrence § Post-RfC discussion

 – Aviationwikiflight (talk) 11:04, 1 December 2024 (UTC)

List of accidents and incidents involving commercial aircraft

I have proposed that the List of accidents and incidents involving commercial aircraft is split into two new lists. Please feel free to join the discussion. Mjroots (talk) 06:11, 20 November 2024 (UTC)

Good article reassessment for Kamloops Airport

Kamloops Airport has been nominated for a good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. Z1720 (talk) 17:27, 26 November 2024 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:Attitude (psychology)#Requested move 23 November 2024

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Attitude (psychology)#Requested move 23 November 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Raladic (talk) 18:50, 30 November 2024 (UTC)

2024 New Jersey drone sightings

I just created 2024 New Jersey drone sightings. It may be of interest to members of this project. Thriley (talk) 03:17, 5 December 2024 (UTC)

...pretty sure this is WP:TOOSOON. - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 03:23, 5 December 2024 (UTC)

It’s been getting widespread press for over two weeks. I think it passes notability. I’ll hunt for more good sources. Thriley (talk) 03:28, 5 December 2024 (UTC)

I also created a related article: 2024 US air base drone incursions in the United Kingdom. Contributors welcome! – Anne drew 15:59, 6 December 2024 (UTC)

Infobox aircraft occurrence template usage proposal

I have opened a discussion on tweaking the usage guidelines for the 'Infobox aircraft occurrence' template. -- Deeday-UK (talk) 11:30, 8 December 2024 (UTC)

Lists of airports and Airline destination list links

I recently noticed that pretty much every list of airports has a link to a page (or subpage) on this wikiproject, Wikipedia: WikiProject Aviation/Airline destination lists, having been added in 2010 by Zyxw. However, MOS:LINKSTYLE says "In articles, do not link to pages outside the article namespace, except in articles about Wikipedia itself". Should these links be removed? Kdroo (talk) 06:29, 13 December 2024 (UTC)

PteroDynamics

I just created a stub for PteroDynamics. It may be of interest to members of this project. Thriley (talk) 06:21, 14 December 2024 (UTC)

Aviation accidents/incidents template splitting?

So the aviation accidents and incidents template for several countries (namely the United Kingdom, the Soviet Union, and Russia; arguably also true for France) are getting too large to navigate properly.

In the case of Soviet aviation incidents, using small text and standard width on a 1920×1080 screen only displays two thirds of the template (1930s to 1970–1974). The same setting also only displays ~60% of the British aviation incidents template (Before 1910 to 1960s). And for French and Russian aviation incidents the template occupies almost the entire screen.

I've set up a draft in my userpage to split up those nations' aviation templates but I would like your opinion here. DemocracyDeprivationDisorder (talk) 06:00, 16 December 2024 (UTC)

Good article reassessment for Melbourne Airport

Melbourne Airport has been nominated for a good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. Z1720 (talk) 17:27, 18 December 2024 (UTC)

Two new Chinese stealth fast jets for Mao's birthday

Greetings from Milhist. We already have Chengdu J-36; just to double check that the fast jet guys around here are working on something for this Shenyang Aircraft Corporation(?) product: Yes, China Just Flew Another Tailless Next-Generation Stealth Combat Aircraft https://twz.com/air/yes-china-just-flew-another-tailless-next-generation-stealth-combat-aircraft Let's keep watching our sixes. ¬¬¬¬ Buckshot06 (talk) 06:58, 28 December 2024 (UTC)

Apparently they flew three (I think one is the GZ-11J, or that might have been yet another?). - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 03:42, 29 December 2024 (UTC)

Good article reassessment for Trondheim Airport

Trondheim Airport has been nominated for a good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. Z1720 (talk) 15:24, 28 December 2024 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:Icing (aeronautics)#Requested move 27 December 2024

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Icing (aeronautics)#Requested move 27 December 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. cyberdog958^Talk 04:25, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

Draft:Delta Airlines Flight 554

Wondering at what point an incident would be considered notable. There is obviously going to be coverage of most (if not all) incidents, but does this Project has a guide as to which ones are considered notable? CNMall41 (talk) 18:53, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

There is no guideline apart from WP:GNG, the essay WP:AIRCRASH is the best we have. Nimbus (Cumulus nimbus floats by) 19:22, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

Linking to the draft: Draft:Delta Airlines Flight 554. This accident should probably appear in the MD-80 article but would probably be nominated for deletion (if it was accepted) because the aircraft was apparently repaired (no hull loss), there were no fatalities and no apparent change of procedures mandated, though there were plenty of NTSB recommended actions in the accident report. The accident was no fault of the aircraft type, same goes for hijackings, it could be argued that these events should not be included in aircraft type articles. Nimbus (Cumulus nimbus floats by) 19:40, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

It might survive given the aircraft was substantially damaged. The aircraft involved in Qantas Flight 1 was also repaired and returned to service, there were no fatalities and there were no broad changes in industry procedures as a result. The Qantas article is not without its issues, but it would likely survive an AfD given the enduring media attention it received in the years since. This accident is less well known and most of the sources used were published in the immediate aftermath. Since we cannot rely on WP:AIRCRASH as inclusion criteria for stand-alone articles, the standard to meet GNG would likely be the depth and longevity of coverage in secondary sources. I think there is a solid argument for inclusion of this incident in the MD-80 or LaGuardia accidents and incidents sections. But as a standalone article it's likely I wouldn't survive an AfD unless you could find some additional recent sources showing it's ongoing significance. Dfadden (talk) 07:31, 8 January 2025 (UTC)