Wikipedia talk:Articles for deletion/Luigi Mangione

Potential rushed closure?

This discussion was closed by @User:GhostOfDanGurney, but potentially closed too quickly. It's been 5 days since this was posted. I agree that many of the arguments are in favor of Keep, but many of them are only "he's notable by now" with varying levels of explanation, and varying levels of citing policies or guidelines. Most of the Delete arguments cite WP:BLP1E and a couple cite WP:BLPCRIME and WP:PERP, but it's up to the closer to decide whether these arguments or the notability guidelines win out, not just call it WP:SNOW because of sheer numbers. I can't review it because I'm literally the second opinion on it, but if I were to, I would have closed it as SNOWBALL no consensus at most. guninvalid (talk) 07:14, 21 December 2024 (UTC)

As far as I can tell from a rough search, the Keep:Delete ratio is very roughly around 5:1. Granted, the numbers alone do not warrant a snow close, but otherwise, the keep !votes would have to be on average 5x better and more relevant than the delete in order to even consider no consensus here. Granted the keep votes probably are overall much better quality than the deletes, but maybe only by a factor or 2-3x at most, leaving it very much consensus for keep at 3:2 at a minimum. I don't think there is an issue with the snow close personally, but sometimes it's worth elaborating on it, such as even bringing this back around to no conesnsus is not a realistic uphill battle; and otherwise time is on the side of the keep !votes, that of the discussion avalanching towards keep more specifically. There are otherwise certainly enough counter-arguments of BLP1E, CRIME and PERP, even if not as much as there should be in such a discussion. CNC (talk) 09:27, 21 December 2024 (UTC)

This is a bad close. E_F⁵ 13:30, 21 December 2024 (UTC)

This AfD should have been closed by an admin after the standard seven days. This discussion was legitimately contested and the deletes brought up significant policy concerns. Additionally, while the keeps had a clear numerical advantage, many of the keep votes were not rooted in Wikipedia policy (for the record, I voted to keep). Spirit of Eagle (talk) 15:26, 21 December 2024 (UTC)

• There's a deletion review at: Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2024 December 21#Luigi Mangione. Some1 (talk) 15:29, 21 December 2024 (UTC)