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NCAA FCS/FBS playoff team navboxes

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Delete all – These navboxes are redundant because FCS equivalent categories and FBS equivalent categories both exist. For any categories not created, e.g. FCS from 1978–2009, they can be easily created. These types of playoff navboxes also don't exist at the NAIA, NCAA Division II, and NCAA Division III levels, either. I just don't see what unique value these navboxes bring. They are also template creep. Please note that even I have created a few of these in previous years, but I now think I was mistaken in doing so. SportsGuy789 (talk) 19:32, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Keep: any navbox can arguably be replaced with a category, and vice versa. There are countless examples of overlap between the two (e.g. Template:AL MVPs and Category:American League Most Valuable Player Award winners). When templates such as the above have already been created, especially ones that are static and not subject to ongoing change, my general preference (as is the case here) is to leave well enough alone. I respectfully object to raising such deletion requests when other content "can be easily created". Whether a navbox or category (or both, or neither) is most appropriate for playoff participants could (and in my view, should) be discussed in the Talk area of WP:COLLEGEFOOTBALL before landing here. Dmoore5556 (talk) 20:11, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • This was already discussed at WT:CFB, I just couldn't find the previous discussion to link here. There was no clear consensus based on very little participation from what I recall. Also, the beauty of TfD's is that a permanent record of the keep / delete discussion can be preserved. A WikiProject does not have final say on the merits of deletion and aren't gatekeepers to any editors creating deletion discussions like this. SportsGuy789 (talk) 16:12, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment: the existence of the corresponding categories here is irrelevant. The question is whether the navigation these templates provide is connected to a defining aspect of the subject items and is sufficiently useful. I have mixed feelings here about that. I will say that repeating the champion in the footer of these navboxes isn't good design. The champion could be designated with some sort of symbol instead. Jweiss11 (talk) 05:02, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete: the argument above is about players not teams. While joining the playoff is a defining characteristic of a team's season, navigation can be easily served through clicking a link to the playoffs in the article or through the category. The navbox is WP:TEMPLATECREEP. Keeping this sets a bad precedent, there are no CBBALL or NFL examples of these too.-UCO2009bluejay (talk) 19:31, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete Template creep or Navbox creep at this point. Very little to help with navigation. So what if a team made the playoffs? It doesn't apply significance to create a navbox for unless it is a winning team that won the championship. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 00:55, 1 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Cork Junior Hurling Team 1912

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Single use template The Banner talk 16:46, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Wolfe Tones na Sionna Hurling Team 1997

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WP:NENAN The Banner talk 16:45, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Cork Junior Football Team 1986

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Single use template, just one player has an article The Banner talk 16:45, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Cork Junior Football Team 1987

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Single use template, just one player has an article The Banner talk 16:44, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Kilkenny Junior Football Team 2022

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WP:NENAN The Banner talk 16:43, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Too many templates

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New maintenance template of unclear utility. This was created by one user to rag on the number of templates present on just one article (1st Marine Division (Wehrmacht)), but there are numerous reasons why it's a bad and misguided idea.
Firstly, it's been deleted at least once before, per Wikipedia:Templates for deletion/Log/2009 March 20#Template:Too many templates, although obviously that was long enough ago that I can't just immediately speedy it as a recreation of deleted content without a new discussion.
Secondly, it's quite counterproductive to deal with an article that you think has too many maintenance templates on it by adding yet another one to the pile -- identifying the templates as the problem, instead of the content issues that the templates are tagging for in the first place, is classic "can't see the forest for the trees". The solution to "too many templates" isn't "add yet another one", it's "fix the actual content problems so that some or all of the templates can be removed".
Thirdly, the creator tried to make this template file its prisoners into a dated monthly "Wikipedia articles with too many maintenance templates" category scheme that doesn't exist to have articles filed in it -- but precisely because maintenance templates generate process overhead like that, they should not generally be created by just one user willy-nilly, and should be supported by a consensus of Wikipedians that a new process is warranted. But this would obviously have existed long before two days ago if any significant number of Wikipedians actually saw a genuine need for it, so there clearly isn't such a consensus. Bearcat (talk) 14:46, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Personal attack removed). It wasn't created to rag. Calm down and next time try posting a comment that's about a third as long. KMaster888 (talk) 15:46, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Try again nicely. If anyone needs to calm down, it's you. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 00:55, 1 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Maintenance templates serve a purpose: to improve the article. It would be better to solve the issues mentioned then just shoot down the templates. The Banner talk 16:53, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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